Two languages which are incompatible as with any company. How many langauges has IBM pushed? And the end product are insanely compatable since you can create DLL/COM/ActiveX objects and work with each other.
How many OpenSource FORTRAN, LISP, PROLOG, Perl compiler/translator projects out there? How much better compatiblity do they have with each other?
>Office.
Their SINGLE office suite for the past 10 years. What makes you think that they are going to abandon this?
> ASP. COM..NET.
These are compatible, there are lots of examples of the working together. Its still a single vision.
What about J2EE, Perl, CGI and other languages? How are these have better compatibility?
>SQLServer. Access.
These two are insanely compatable. And do you really think that MS is going to abandon either one soon?
>And every single version of every platform incompatible with the last.
Even ignoring the fact that you are choosing totally different software products, exactly how are they incompatible? MS goes through hoops to get them to work together.
Actually its a great one. If they get rid of, say, the top 10% of users that use up greater than 10% of the resources, then they will be ahead of the game. Reduce costs per customer and better performance/satisfaction for the other 90%.
>such businesses do not go around snooping on their customers.
Banks do, they report movements of large amounts of money. Stores do, they video tape everything you do when you walk in, they store and track your purchase data. Online stores do, they suggest books based on what I buy.
The funniest thing was that when Sympatico had bandwidth restrictions, people were jumping to Rogers. Now Rogers has restrictions and Sympatico removed theirs. And Sympatico handled it better (you could see online what your usage was, you could upgrade to different tiers, they will just charge you more not kill you off)
1. Why would anyone use this sort of system? Do you really care that the government knows what sort of underwear you buy? Doesn't Walmart already have this sort of information? How about affinity/reward cards? What legitmate purpose, besides "I don't want the goverment to know because I don't trust them" argument, would you have for using this system?
2. If you do use this thing, don't you think that it would raise big time flags to every single goverment organization and have every open aspect of my life under the microscope?
3. How useful is this since you can't pay every day things (lunch, bills, rent) with it?
4. If big evil org. wanted to track you they can with or without this system. e.g. - In the middle of this page: http://www.orlingrabbe.com/DMT_simple.htm He talks about a keylogger used to crack encrypted files, but then he doesn't specify how this system prevents this from happening.
5. Isn't this system the big single point of failure? I don't know where its located but if I was an organization couldn't just get a court order to get the information I want? Couldn't I bribe/beatup/hack the infomration I want? With swiss bank privacy at least that is in their constitution.
5. Even if you still think its a good idea, why not just buy gold coins? The ultimate non-reliance on any organization/system.
I think the point of the parent post is that this whole case is getting stale.
Just get some legal ruling and lets move on to the next step.
1. Court rules SCO has a case. Lets move to the next step. 2. Court rules SCO has no case. Lets move to the next step.
In the end this case is just one step in many before we get to a conclusion.
This day-time soap opera is getting old.
In the end, the OpenSource hordes will go to any extremes, including re-programming the whole thing in some pre-alphas version of Microsoft LISP, to kill off SCO claims.
>Your argument is, to prevent the unsatisfied patrons who could not make it work because of their own problems, you simply stop circulating the CD-ROMs. This is an excuse for laziness.
Its called knowing your customer.
>The clerks would try in their own vcr/DVD player in front of the customer. If it works, it's the customer's problem. You can do the same thing in the library.complaining they cannot read the books available, because they have expectation they can read all books on the shelves.
You going to spend the 1/2 hour formatting and installing something? And even if you do this, so what? It still doesn't work on the home computer.
>Most patrons would accept that's their own problem
You should really work in a call centre.
>Not to mention that the population who would visit a library are the people that can reason with.
>Getting laptops w/o Windows,... is still fairly tricky.
I very much doubt it.
1. Walk into any small computer store. (not part of a chain) 2. Say that you want to buy a laptop but not the OS and that you will take full reponsibility to install it yourself. 3. They will either a)pass-up the sale or b)install the OS, test it and then remove it.
Its in the store's interest to not pass up the sale and go through the effort doing b).
I haven't sat down and timed things but your slackware time is about what I get for redhat.
2 minutes for win98 is a long time. Perhaps reformatting clean and re-installing programs and drivers. It might be that you have alot old unused stuff.
When things are running, I about the same performance with applications startup, except for IE.:)
I dual boot with Win98 and RedHat. Booting is faster in Win98. Running applications is faster in Win98. (and for some reason cdrom access is better too)
The only reason why I use RedHat is for antialias fonts.
I tried to move away from Win98 becuase I trust RedHat more in terms of security, but the best protection for security is a hardware firewall and your mind, not patches/type of OS.
A better case would be if you walk into a resturant and order food. You have to pay, as soon as you order, a $50 "broken plates" fee. The fee is non-refundable regardless if you break anything or not.
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No really this is mindless bashing.
.NET.
>Visual Basic. C++.
Two languages which are incompatible as with any company. How many langauges has IBM pushed? And the end product are insanely compatable since you can create DLL/COM/ActiveX objects and work with each other.
How many OpenSource FORTRAN, LISP, PROLOG, Perl compiler/translator projects out there? How much better compatiblity do they have with each other?
>Office.
Their SINGLE office suite for the past 10 years. What makes you think that they are going to abandon this?
> ASP. COM.
These are compatible, there are lots of examples of the working together. Its still a single vision.
What about J2EE, Perl, CGI and other languages? How are these have better compatibility?
>SQLServer. Access.
These two are insanely compatable. And do you really think that MS is going to abandon either one soon?
>And every single version of every platform incompatible with the last.
Even ignoring the fact that you are choosing totally different software products, exactly how are they incompatible? MS goes through hoops to get them to work together.
>Do we really need more technologies in their infancy?
>But... sigh... I don't expect that kind of attitude from Microsoft.
Why do you think that this is a MS issue?
What about IBM? Sun? Oracle? What about over half OpenSource projects?
(Or perhaps I should be used to the mindless MS bashing around here)
>However, it's not a great strategy for them.
Actually its a great one. If they get rid of, say, the top 10% of users that use up greater than 10% of the resources, then they will be ahead of the game. Reduce costs per customer and better performance/satisfaction for the other 90%.
>such businesses do not go around snooping on their customers.
Banks do, they report movements of large amounts of money.
Stores do, they video tape everything you do when you walk in, they store and track your purchase data.
Online stores do, they suggest books based on what I buy.
The funniest thing was that when Sympatico had bandwidth restrictions, people were jumping to Rogers.
Now Rogers has restrictions and Sympatico removed theirs.
And Sympatico handled it better (you could see online what your usage was, you could upgrade to different tiers, they will just charge you more not kill you off)
>I was downloading porn. Solved that prolem right away and haven't heard a peep out of them.
Now the techies know exactly which user's bandwith they should mirror.
>that use large amounts of bandwidth are automatically tagged as pirates.
>what happend to due process?
So you would feel better if the ISP said, "You downloaded the files XYZ.avi and when we play it its an illegally copied movie!".
But then they would show they can and will monitor user downloads. And perhaps they then have a legal precident.
Then people will start shouting about "big brother". ISP's can win.
1. Why would anyone use this sort of system? Do you really care that the government knows what sort of underwear you buy? Doesn't Walmart already have this sort of information? How about affinity/reward cards? What legitmate purpose, besides "I don't want the goverment to know because I don't trust them" argument, would you have for using this system?
2. If you do use this thing, don't you think that it would raise big time flags to every single goverment organization and have every open aspect of my life under the microscope?
3. How useful is this since you can't pay every day things (lunch, bills, rent) with it?
4. If big evil org. wanted to track you they can with or without this system. e.g. -
In the middle of this page:
http://www.orlingrabbe.com/DMT_simple.htm
He talks about a keylogger used to crack encrypted files, but then he doesn't specify how this system prevents this from happening.
5. Isn't this system the big single point of failure? I don't know where its located but if I was an organization couldn't just get a court order to get the information I want? Couldn't I bribe/beatup/hack the infomration I want? With swiss bank privacy at least that is in their constitution.
5. Even if you still think its a good idea, why not just buy gold coins? The ultimate non-reliance on any organization/system.
I think the point of the parent post is that this whole case is getting stale.
Just get some legal ruling and lets move on to the next step.
1. Court rules SCO has a case. Lets move to the next step.
2. Court rules SCO has no case. Lets move to the next step.
In the end this case is just one step in many before we get to a conclusion.
This day-time soap opera is getting old.
In the end, the OpenSource hordes will go to any extremes, including re-programming the whole thing in some pre-alphas version of Microsoft LISP, to kill off SCO claims.
Thats what I meant. (but not what I clearly posted)
Look at the other mods for HL besides CS.
>I think that all of us hardcore gamers can agree that anything below 50-60fps isn't even worth touching.
I think that all of us non-hardcore gamers think that that is the most anal thing to say.
What are you going to do when Doom3 comes out with its fixed cap? Or do you think that Carmack isn't "hardcore" enough?
I was about to suggest this. CS can handle any computer with a semi-decent graphics card.
Even better is also look at the many quality mods for HL. Like Coop Sven. Or that Pirates one.
Lots of fun. HL is still a great game.
>Your argument is, to prevent the unsatisfied patrons who could not make it work because of their own problems, you simply stop circulating the CD-ROMs. This is an excuse for laziness.
Its called knowing your customer.
>The clerks would try in their own vcr/DVD player in front of the customer. If it works, it's the customer's problem. You can do the same thing in the library.complaining they cannot read the books available, because they have expectation they can read all books on the shelves.
You going to spend the 1/2 hour formatting and installing something? And even if you do this, so what? It still doesn't work on the home computer.
>Most patrons would accept that's their own problem
You should really work in a call centre.
>Not to mention that the population who would visit a library are the people that can reason with.
You should really work in a public library.
You can have a contract with no signatures.
e.g. a verbal contract.
OSS, the next AOL. :\
As others have pointed out, the haven't been sucessful just by making a fine product, as in here
How can you say that?
>Where is the origionality at?
Uh.... look at Superman 2 and Batman and Robin movies.
Some originality killed those series.
>Getting laptops w/o Windows, ... is still fairly tricky.
I very much doubt it.
1. Walk into any small computer store. (not part of a chain)
2. Say that you want to buy a laptop but not the OS and that you will take full reponsibility to install it yourself.
3. They will either a)pass-up the sale or b)install the OS, test it and then remove it.
Its in the store's interest to not pass up the sale and go through the effort doing b).
Interesting.
:)
I haven't sat down and timed things but your slackware time is about what I get for redhat.
2 minutes for win98 is a long time. Perhaps reformatting clean and re-installing programs and drivers. It might be that you have alot old unused stuff.
When things are running, I about the same performance with applications startup, except for IE.
>people label it the "Microsoft tax" when they can't purchase a new machine without Windows.
I don't understand this part. There are lots of places where you can buy a computer without windows installed/have to pay for it.
If you can't find a place, you are not looking or you haven't asked.
I am finding the same thing too.
I dual boot with Win98 and RedHat. Booting is faster in Win98. Running applications is faster in Win98. (and for some reason cdrom access is better too)
The only reason why I use RedHat is for antialias fonts.
I tried to move away from Win98 becuase I trust RedHat more in terms of security, but the best protection for security is a hardware firewall and your mind, not patches/type of OS.
They also have cutlery on planes that can be used as a weapon but you can't bring your own stuff on board.
Also, even if a security guard understands your reasoning, I doubt that you can still get on with "chemicals".
>So, you can start out with the basics of databases using just Access' GUI tools, and then graduate to SQL without having to switch environments.
No you've just taught students how to click the View menu and go to "SQL View".
Teaching them how to compose and manipulate a SQL statement is totally different. Except for very basic SQL statements, its a crutch.
I've stopped caring about belonging to a classifiction BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL.
I do things which are sometimes nerdy, sometimes not nerdy.
I am not a stereo-type. I am me, with all the wonderful degrees of every group in me.
A better case would be if you walk into a resturant and order food. You have to pay, as soon as you order, a $50 "broken plates" fee. The fee is non-refundable regardless if you break anything or not.
Kinda tempting to actually break something, huh?