The principle of stationripper sounds pretty cool. But using it , is it possible to download entire tunes "as if" they were ripped from a cd ? Is the quality comparable to an mp3 that you might download? My initial thoughts and impressions of streamed music are that generally speaking the quality is inferior.
I can see the point he is getting at, but I personally prefer the thought that the Army is able to use, modify and evaluate open source software a much more preferable situation than that of using closed source software. Who knows what evil back doors are in closed source stuff?
I dont particulary like the idea of a nuclear missile BSOD'ing just as it flies over the UK. or worse of all a missile Silo contracting the "Doomsday" Virus.
Joking aside though if the Army has to use software isnt it better that they have complete control over it?
The sound quality graph is not a reflection of the sound quality of the device, instead a reflection of the supplied headphones.
A much better test would have been to use the same headphones (preferably a good pair) with all the players and do the comparison. The last few times i've bought personal stereos/ CD players / MP3 Players. I usually end up ditching the supplied earbuds because they are usually really shit quality with most brands.
This is not a troll, I am genuinely amazed at this comment!
linux is being felt in a major way in this realm, too.
Please emlighten me as in what way. I've been wanting to use Linux for music for a loooong time now. I've tried most of the biggies. Rosegarden, Ardour etc but none of them are really useable Rosegarden is shaping up but its nowhere near stable. There are a few nice sample editors about but I havent found any music composition software that comes close to amazing me.
Im planning on getting an OSX machine to satisfy my music composing needs, If you can direct me to some tools that will enable me to write music using Linux, using virtual synths, midi synths and audio tracks seamlessly with low latency and good stability please tell me what and where they are because for a long time I have felt that the one area that linux is really lacking is in the music tools realm.
Apple really doesn't want to do anything to help Linux on the desktop.
Then why are they contributing to KDE via khtml which they use in safari? (and whatever other projects they are involved in)
Actually I think the more *nix/FOSS users there are the more that benefits Apple, because it means there are more *nix/FOSS developers to write cross platform code. Having darwin open source has sealed the fate of the core part of the OS. If Apple die ; the OS will live.
Apple is really a hardware company; Microsoft however is a software company. Its only with the advent of OSX, that people have started really talking about the operating system. OSX is the very reason Linux people "wont kick Apple out the bed" its unix roots have seen to that. Most of the interesting conversations that go on here regarding Apple, are to do with OSX, or other technical aspects (eg G5 processors) its rarely about the fine looking designs that go into there hardware cases. Its the physical machines which make them the real dollar.
Of course there are issues with some of Apples practices they are consumer whore's just like the rest of 'em!, but at the end of the day give me a wad of cash and a choice of an Powerbook or an a M$ based laptop. I know which company id rather support, and its the one that works with Open Source, and generally has a better operating system. You have to make choices in life, sometimes its better to go with the lesser of two evils.
As it happens i use linux, but I plan on getting a powerbook as soon as my first months salary goes in;) ; Does that mean I have been taken in by Apples evil marketing plan? Who knows...
This might be exempt though, isnt there some clause in the law that states that circumventing is not illegal if it is permitting use on an unsupported platform?
In anycase it looks like apple are providing the tools to generate similar information anyway.
(itms link maker) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearc h.woa/wa/itmsLinkMaker
I cant see Apple being particularly pissed off about this since
a) it gives them more exposure and b) they are already providing the information and tools (what could be more useful than an rss feed?) to make it possible to use the itms database in other applications.
Amiga OS still has a community, Like i said in my comment I dont think that a new OS or an old one that has take god knows how many years to get a version upgrade, and "looks" dated before it is even released, is going to survive in todays market place. The competition is just too fierce. You are up against Microsoft after all. I will be the first to admit that AmigaOS was you guessed it,... The OS. A great one at that.
The reason that I beleive that it would be a good thing to open source the operating system is that it would almost certainly give it a new lease of life. There are a lot of linux/bsd people working in open source that still have a fondness for the aging beast. By allowing the community many of which still love AmigaOS to take an active hand in continuing the development seems to me to be a much better idea. In reality after AmigaOS have taken so long to release an OS update, joe sixpack is going to take one look at those screenshots and see something not hugely a great deal better than the previous versions. It doesnt exactly instill confidence does it. How long is it going to be before the next version is released?
If AmigaOS were to open up the source I would imagine that, although there might be parts used for other projects etc. I would imagine that as a community we could develop the operating system further and bring it right up to date. Take a look at the AROS project if you dont beleive there are people with the time dedication and desire to have the operating system available. Amiga OS maybe dead or dying , however you look at it that does not however mean that there are ideas in the OS that are groundbreaking. I'd love to see any OS ; Linux / Win32 / MacOS, handle multitasking as well as AmigaOS did. To AmigaOS who own the rights and source code etc; they can turn things around. Its quite simple. You use a service model just like Red Hat and the other numerous Linux companies do. The other advantage is that by opening up the source you are inherently telling people well if AmigaINC go tits up your still going to be able to use, update and modify your OS because you have the source code. Thats a good thing for take-up and also a good thing for users.
In short there are many valid reasons to open source. I only touched on a couple of them. In my mind i'd like to see it happen not least because i'd like to see that cherished os blossom once again.
I was an Amiga fanatic for many many years; It is/was an amazing operating system. The way it handles multitasking was something else. It was with reluctancy that i bought my first PC with windows. I always hated windows there were so many things that AmigaOS did better simple things like formatting a disk or the way it handled screens. I've been using linux for many years now. Im glad to be using a decent operating system again.
I would love to see AmigaOS succeed in the marketplace again like it once did. But even this new release visually looks very poor and dated. In all honesty they should just open up the source instead of flogging a dead horse. AmigaOS will always live on as a hobbyist OS things like AROS WinUAE and whatever else will see to this. But I really dont think a proprietary OS stands a chance in this world any more. I really cant see Amiga succeeding with their wildest dreams using the closed business model.
Amiga OS still has a warm place in many peoples hearts but not this way. The kindest thing to do is open up the source to the community.
Dont get me wrong though, I wish them all the luck; prove me wrong please do. But id rather see it go the way BeOS did!
nick...
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why make them suffer more over so trivial an issue?
While my parents are not as old as yours, they have been retired for a number of years now. About a month ago their win98 machine was due for it's annual fdisk like clockwork! Anyhow my mother asked why she cant try linux. Frustrated by Windows and couldnt understand why i never get p*ssed off with my linux box! I explained that much of her software might not work (the odd thing might run through wine) but she could use linux for her email and web browsing etc.
I tried her with knoppix first to give her a feel for it; evidently she picked it up almost immediately. My dad who is much less savvy has even migrated with no problems.
Anyway eventually I set them up dual booting windows and linux (Mandrake 10). The choice is theirs to make but 90% of the time its sitting there running linux and she just goes into windows to use the Family Tree Program now.
The best part is that from time to time when she goes into windows I hear her muttering about how much she hates windows!
That probably the biggest reason not to use it though; I dont have a problem with Amazon using my details on their shopping site but outside that realm... no siree!
Re:Hmm.. Project Looking glass has more potential.
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Hmmm , putting two and two together the Sun "Acquisition" as some people have put it (Microsoft and Sun prefer to call it a collaboration) Maybe this is what they are really after. Considering the IP violations with Sun 5-10yrs down the line after they have copied the idea and all the fanboys are moaning why does everybody copy Microsoft like they are the only ones that innovate;
Yawn!
Shame i couldnt rtfa due to the slashdotting but it wouldnt surprise me if its much the same thing. In which case ill be counting the days for the lawsuit to start.
Anyone care to comment on how this fits in with all that palladium / DRM crap ? is it related in any way and / or is this a bonus that its under the GPL ?
why on earth dont they put the screen in landscape orentation? They could keep symbian OS usable in portrait mode, but when gaming mode, run in landscape. If the phone had a different screen it would also make things like blizzard installer redundant for playing on other handsets that dont have a landscape mode.
I've just been playing around with the binary on linux using transgaming wine. The application (Cxbx) seems to run fine. Only I've been unable to test it due to not being able to find any of these coveted ".xbe" files. Would be nice to see a native linux port with or without using winelib.
Respect is due dude, but i think that you are running away with yourself there , probably even trolling.
The points you make simply dont make true or are irrelevant. I also wonder if you have ever tried Linux on PPC hardware?
I have , and I can tell you that in my experience yellow dog linux runs a hell of a lot faster than a similarly specced intel box.
1) You mention that Linux is optimized for Intel, well in case you didnt know Linux is distributed as source code. the majority of the code is going to be similar for all processors. However there are optimisations contrary to your comments for PPC hardware , including stuff like altivec.Its GCC that does the real work!
Also , one of the really really nice things about Linux on PPC (specifically Yellow Dog) is that Mac hardware is considerably more predictable than x86 hardware. Generally speaking all blue G3's have the same mobo , chipset etc(accounting for minor variations) The upside of this is that a Linux distro such as Yellow dog can be tailored much better to the hardware, and eliminate many driver problems.
Again contrary to your comments.
in response to 2) Im loath to comment on this really but statements like "Linus sorts through gigabyte after gigabyte of amateurish code" and "a bunch of kids playing with source code" Make me realise that you are in fact a troll. But nonetheless I would argue, that since the source code for the Linux kernel is so open as opposed to having closed bits like you refer to in OSX, you have considerably more control over it. In fact you have so much control over it that it can be embedded in all sorts of bizarre devices such as... ahem.. the iPod. Ask yourself this question, If linux is written by a bunch of amateur kids playing with source code, how come its so versatile and easy to port? I think that is as true a test as any on the quality of the code.
my response to 3) You make some valid points about GUI's while I agree that OSX, has a much nicer GUI than KDE or Gnome; The whole linux is not ready for the desktop argument is rapidly becoming a regurgitation from people who havent tried the latest Desktop environments. I'd also like to add that the simpler / less eyecandy / GUI with Linux is precisely the reason many people will want to run it on the box particularly as a server. In addition its a great way to make use of that tired old G3.
My comment on 4)
Yes, linux can be a pain to install software, but , and this is somewhat related to my comments on 1) my only experience with Linux on PPC is Yellow dog, and again , due to the predictability of the hardware there is no real need to build from source, you are not really going to do a much better job than Terrasoft at optimising it. Yellow Dog supports both RPM and apt-get. with these tools an update is only a couple of commands away. And they are very good at keeping it updated.
My Conclusion,
You are a Zealot and one who's stuck in his ways at that!
I personally like OSX, and the reason I want a power book , has got nothing to do with any problems I have using my linux desktop. The area which linux falls short is the lack of tools like iMovie and cubase. I also prefer Apple as a company to Microsoft.
Who knows, but you can bet your bottom dollar that when Microsoft do adopt SVG Icons all the Microsoft zealots on/. will claim Microsoft invented it , and whine saying why does everyone copy Microsoft instead of creating something new...
Stan Wagon, a mathematician at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minn., has a bicycle with square wheels. It's a weird contraption, but he can ride it perfectly smoothly. His secret is the shape of the road over which the wheels roll.
Is it me or do others find it amusing that a chap researching vehicles with square wheels has a surname "Wagon" ?
Now let me see.. which Inferior proprietary alternatives made by a certain redmond company came after these ?
What operating system is your favorite search engine Google built upon?
How long was the internet/browsers around before Microsoft decided it better implement a web-browser?
Are there any Movie players that beat MPlayer ?
nope, not that i've come across.
How long has GCC been around ?
I could go on listing stuff here but then you are probably a windows troll having never spent any great deal of time using open source software. Go and take a look at freshmeat.net and see the hundreds of original projects there.
You make generalisations without really having much knowledge about what you are talking. Yes, there are many open source project that copy ideas from other operating systems, but you seem to be living under the misconception that Apple and Microsoft never copied off anyone else.
Yes KDE steals ideas from a few places and so does gnome , but as any long-time user of KDE or Gnome will tell you there a lots of innovations and cool features of these window managers that do not exist in other operating systems.
There are reasons things like openoffice exist, howabout the fact that there is no Microsoft Office for Linux, or maybe the fact that Microsoft lock in their fileformats into windows. Heck considering the lack of documentation about certain Oses and there lock in fileformats; OpenOffice does a bloody good job considering. Okay so maybe its not strictly an original work, but i'd say there is a hell of a lot of innovation going on "under the hood" in order for the programmers to get the software to do what it does.
So before you make such sweeping generalisations, consider what the world would be like, and consider your personal freedoms that maybe wouldnt exist if Open Source software wasnt there for everyone to use. You should appreciate that the computing world, the use of the internet etc would be a very very different place if it wasnt for the time and dedication of Open Source programmers. You are lucky that you have choice and that Window's isnt the "one os to rule them all".
I detect a smidgen of trolling going on here dude....
That said, I agree with you about the GUI. One of the reasons I stopped using Linux (after having used it in some capacity for about 4 years) is that, to my eyes, XP is just prettier.
Seriously though if you have been using linux for around 4 years you must have seen many many cases where Linux can look soooo much nicer than XP's fisherprice look and feel, sheesh!
I've got mine set up to look like OSX Panther
here is a screenshot! how subjective is that ? And personally if I had to stare at those garish XP colors all day i'd imagine my eyes would hurt pretty bad.
Just wondering , aside from Microsoft (who wont touch linux with a bargepole (thank god to some extent!)) are there many companies left that dont see that working linux into their business model is part of their future?
We've got Macromedia , Novell , now Corel ; all on the case! and of course the old stalwarts such as IBM & Co. Whose left ? Adobe ?
Slashdot Mirror
The virgin birth, now who is god? Mouse society must be up in cheese at the moment. Could this be the second coming of the Mousiahh ?
The principle of stationripper sounds pretty cool. But using it , is it possible to download entire tunes "as if" they were ripped from a cd ? Is the quality comparable to an mp3 that you might download? My initial thoughts and impressions of streamed music are that generally speaking the quality is inferior.
nick...
I can see the point he is getting at, but I personally prefer the thought that the Army is able to use, modify and evaluate open source software a much more preferable situation than that of using closed source software. Who knows what evil back doors are in closed source stuff?
I dont particulary like the idea of a nuclear missile BSOD'ing just as it flies over the UK. or worse of all a missile Silo contracting the "Doomsday" Virus.
Joking aside though if the Army has to use software isnt it better that they have complete control over it?
The sound quality graph is not a reflection of the sound quality of the device, instead a reflection of the supplied headphones.
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A much better test would have been to use the same headphones (preferably a good pair) with all the players and do the comparison. The last few times i've bought personal stereos/ CD players / MP3 Players. I usually end up ditching the supplied earbuds because they are usually really shit quality with most brands.
nick
Really?
This is not a troll, I am genuinely amazed at this comment!
linux is being felt in a major way in this realm, too.
Please emlighten me as in what way. I've been wanting to use Linux for music for a loooong time now. I've tried most of the biggies. Rosegarden, Ardour etc but none of them are really useable Rosegarden is shaping up but its nowhere near stable. There are a few nice sample editors about but I havent found any music composition software that comes close to amazing me.
Im planning on getting an OSX machine to satisfy my music composing needs, If you can direct me to some tools that will enable me to write music using Linux, using virtual synths, midi synths and audio tracks seamlessly with low latency and good stability please tell me what and where they are because for a long time I have felt that the one area that linux is really lacking is in the music tools realm.
thanx
nick
So does arts /noatun and related players
Apple really doesn't want to do anything to help Linux on the desktop.
Then why are they contributing to KDE via khtml which they use in safari? (and whatever other projects they are involved in)
Actually I think the more *nix/FOSS users there are the more that benefits Apple, because it means there are more *nix/FOSS developers to write cross platform code. Having darwin open source has sealed the fate of the core part of the OS. If Apple die ; the OS will live.
Apple is really a hardware company; Microsoft however is a software company. Its only with the advent of OSX, that people have started really talking about the operating system. OSX is the very reason Linux people "wont kick Apple out the bed" its unix roots have seen to that. Most of the interesting conversations that go on here regarding Apple, are to do with OSX, or other technical aspects (eg G5 processors) its rarely about the fine looking designs that go into there hardware cases. Its the physical machines which make them the real dollar.
Of course there are issues with some of Apples practices they are consumer whore's just like the rest of 'em!, but at the end of the day give me a wad of cash and a choice of an Powerbook or an a M$ based laptop. I know which company id rather support, and its the one that works with Open Source, and generally has a better operating system. You have to make choices in life, sometimes its better to go with the lesser of two evils.
As it happens i use linux, but I plan on getting a powerbook as soon as my first months salary goes in;) ; Does that mean I have been taken in by Apples evil marketing plan? Who knows...
This might be exempt though, isnt there some clause in the law that states that circumventing is not illegal if it is permitting use on an unsupported platform?
c h.woa/wa /itmsLinkMaker
h .woa/wo /4.1
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In anycase it looks like apple are providing the tools to generate similar information anyway.
(itms link maker)
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSear
(itms rms feed)
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearc
I cant see Apple being particularly pissed off about this since
a) it gives them more exposure
and
b) they are already providing the information and tools (what could be more useful than an rss feed?) to make it possible to use the itms database in other applications.
nick
Amiga OS still has a community, Like i said in my comment I dont think that a new OS or an old one that has take god knows how many years to get a version upgrade, and "looks" dated before it is even released, is going to survive in todays market place. The competition is just too fierce. You are up against Microsoft after all. I will be the first to admit that AmigaOS was you guessed it, ... The OS. A great one at that.
/bsd people working in open source that still have a fondness for the aging beast. By allowing the community many of which still love AmigaOS to take an active hand in continuing the development seems to me to be a much better idea. In reality after AmigaOS have taken so long to release an OS update, joe sixpack is going to take one look at those screenshots and see something not hugely a great deal better than the previous versions. It doesnt exactly instill confidence does it. How long is it going to be before the next version is released?
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The reason that I beleive that it would be a good thing to open source the operating system is that it would almost certainly give it a new lease of life. There are a lot of linux
If AmigaOS were to open up the source I would imagine that, although there might be parts used for other projects etc. I would imagine that as a community we could develop the operating system further and bring it right up to date. Take a look at the AROS project if you dont beleive there are people with the time dedication and desire to have the operating system available. Amiga OS maybe dead or dying , however you look at it that does not however mean that there are ideas in the OS that are groundbreaking. I'd love to see any OS ; Linux / Win32 / MacOS, handle multitasking as well as AmigaOS did. To AmigaOS who own the rights and source code etc; they can turn things around. Its quite simple. You use a service model just like Red Hat and the other numerous Linux companies do. The other advantage is that by opening up the source you are inherently telling people well if AmigaINC go tits up your still going to be able to use, update and modify your OS because you have the source code. Thats a good thing for take-up and also a good thing for users.
In short there are many valid reasons to open source. I only touched on a couple of them. In my mind i'd like to see it happen not least because i'd like to see that cherished os blossom once again.
nick
I was an Amiga fanatic for many many years; It is/was an amazing operating system. The way it handles multitasking was something else. It was with reluctancy that i bought my first PC with windows. I always hated windows there were so many things that AmigaOS did better simple things like formatting a disk or the way it handled screens. I've been using linux for many years now. Im glad to be using a decent operating system again.
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I would love to see AmigaOS succeed in the marketplace again like it once did. But even this new release visually looks very poor and dated. In all honesty they should just open up the source instead of flogging a dead horse. AmigaOS will always live on as a hobbyist OS things like AROS WinUAE and whatever else will see to this. But I really dont think a proprietary OS stands a chance in this world any more. I really cant see Amiga succeeding with their wildest dreams using the closed business model.
Amiga OS still has a warm place in many peoples hearts but not this way. The kindest thing to do is open up the source to the community.
Dont get me wrong though, I wish them all the luck; prove me wrong please do. But id rather see it go the way BeOS did!
nick
why make them suffer more over so trivial an issue?
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While my parents are not as old as yours, they have been retired for a number of years now. About a month ago their win98 machine was due for it's annual fdisk like clockwork! Anyhow my mother asked why she cant try linux. Frustrated by Windows and couldnt understand why i never get p*ssed off with my linux box! I explained that much of her software might not work (the odd thing might run through wine) but she could use linux for her email and web browsing etc.
I tried her with knoppix first to give her a feel for it; evidently she picked it up almost immediately. My dad who is much less savvy has even migrated with no problems.
Anyway eventually I set them up dual booting windows and linux (Mandrake 10). The choice is theirs to make but 90% of the time its sitting there running linux and she just goes into windows to use the Family Tree Program now.
The best part is that from time to time when she goes into windows I hear her muttering about how much she hates windows!
nick
Obvously well rooted in google
http://a9.com/litigious bastards
nick
That probably the biggest reason not to use it though; I dont have a problem with Amazon using my details on their shopping site but outside that realm ... no siree!
Hmmm , putting two and two together the Sun "Acquisition" as some people have put it (Microsoft and Sun prefer to call it a collaboration) Maybe this is what they are really after. Considering the IP violations with Sun 5-10yrs down the line after they have copied the idea and all the fanboys are moaning why does everybody copy Microsoft like they are the only ones that innovate;
..
Yawn!
Shame i couldnt rtfa due to the slashdotting but it wouldnt surprise me if its much the same thing. In which case ill be counting the days for the lawsuit to start.
Nick
Anyone care to comment on how this fits in with all that palladium / DRM crap ? is it related in any way and / or is this a bonus that its under the GPL ?
nick...
urm ...
Quick Death ?
why on earth dont they put the screen in landscape orentation? They could keep symbian OS usable in portrait mode, but when gaming mode, run in landscape. If the phone had a different screen it would also make things like blizzard installer redundant for playing on other handsets that dont have a landscape mode.
I've just been playing around with the binary on linux using transgaming wine. The application (Cxbx) seems to run fine. Only I've been unable to test it due to not being able to find any of these coveted ".xbe" files. Would be nice to see a native linux port with or without using winelib.
nick...
Respect is due dude, but i think that you are running away with yourself there , probably even trolling.
... ahem .. the iPod. Ask yourself this question, If linux is written by a bunch of amateur kids playing with source code, how come its so versatile and easy to port? I think that is as true a test as any on the quality of the code.
The points you make simply dont make true or are irrelevant. I also wonder if you have ever tried Linux on PPC hardware?
I have , and I can tell you that in my experience yellow dog linux runs a hell of a lot faster than a similarly specced intel box.
1) You mention that Linux is optimized for Intel, well in case you didnt know Linux is distributed as source code. the majority of the code is going to be similar for all processors. However there are optimisations contrary to your comments for PPC hardware , including stuff like altivec.Its GCC that does the real work!
Also , one of the really really nice things about Linux on PPC (specifically Yellow Dog) is that Mac hardware is considerably more predictable than x86 hardware. Generally speaking all blue G3's have the same mobo , chipset etc(accounting for minor variations) The upside of this is that a Linux distro such as Yellow dog can be tailored much better to the hardware, and eliminate many driver problems.
Again contrary to your comments.
in response to
2) Im loath to comment on this really but statements like "Linus sorts through gigabyte after gigabyte of amateurish code" and "a bunch of kids playing with source code" Make me realise that you are in fact a troll. But nonetheless I would argue, that since the source code for the Linux kernel is so open as opposed to having closed bits like you refer to in OSX, you have considerably more control over it. In fact you have so much control over it that it can be embedded in all sorts of bizarre devices such as
my response to
3) You make some valid points about GUI's while I agree that OSX, has a much nicer GUI than KDE or Gnome; The whole linux is not ready for the desktop argument is rapidly becoming a regurgitation from people who havent tried the latest Desktop environments. I'd also like to add that the simpler / less eyecandy / GUI with Linux is precisely the reason many people will want to run it on the box particularly as a server. In addition its a great way to make use of that tired old G3.
My comment on 4)
Yes, linux can be a pain to install software, but , and this is somewhat related to my comments on 1) my only experience with Linux on PPC is Yellow dog, and again , due to the predictability of the hardware there is no real need to build from source, you are not really going to do a much better job than Terrasoft at optimising it. Yellow Dog supports both RPM and apt-get. with these tools an update is only a couple of commands away. And they are very good at keeping it updated.
My Conclusion,
You are a Zealot and one who's stuck in his ways at that!
I personally like OSX, and the reason I want a power book , has got nothing to do with any problems I have using my linux desktop. The area which linux falls short is the lack of tools like iMovie and cubase. I also prefer Apple as a company to Microsoft.
Nick
Who knows, but you can bet your bottom dollar that when Microsoft do adopt SVG Icons all the Microsoft zealots on /. will claim Microsoft invented it , and whine saying why does everyone copy Microsoft instead of creating something new ...
Stan Wagon, a mathematician at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minn., has a bicycle with square wheels. It's a weird contraption, but he can ride it perfectly smoothly. His secret is the shape of the road over which the wheels roll.
...
Is it me or do others find it amusing that a chap researching vehicles with square wheels has a surname "Wagon" ?
nick
You'll need to get KDE 3.2 / you can configure the panel using the "Configure Panel" prefs.
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;)
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You will also need the Baghira Style and Decorations from themes.kde.org
And the Icons
The rest is just creative tweaking..
Have Fun
Nick
Hmm .. Let me think ...
.. which Inferior proprietary alternatives made by a certain redmond company came after these ?
Howabout
Apache? or OpenGL ?
Now let me see
What operating system is your favorite search engine Google built upon?
How long was the internet/browsers around before Microsoft decided it better implement a web-browser?
Are there any Movie players that beat MPlayer ?
nope, not that i've come across.
How long has GCC been around ?
I could go on listing stuff here but then you are probably a windows troll having never spent any great deal of time using open source software. Go and take a look at freshmeat.net and see the hundreds of original projects there.
You make generalisations without really having much knowledge about what you are talking. Yes, there are many open source project that copy ideas from other operating systems, but you seem to be living under the misconception that Apple and Microsoft never copied off anyone else.
Yes KDE steals ideas from a few places and so does gnome , but as any long-time user of KDE or Gnome will tell you there a lots of innovations and cool features of these window managers that do not exist in other operating systems.
There are reasons things like openoffice exist, howabout the fact that there is no Microsoft Office for Linux, or maybe the fact that Microsoft lock in their fileformats into windows. Heck considering the lack of documentation about certain Oses and there lock in fileformats; OpenOffice does a bloody good job considering. Okay so maybe its not strictly an original work, but i'd say there is a hell of a lot of innovation going on "under the hood" in order for the programmers to get the software to do what it does.
So before you make such sweeping generalisations, consider what the world would be like, and consider your personal freedoms that maybe wouldnt exist if Open Source software wasnt there for everyone to use. You should appreciate that the computing world, the use of the internet etc would be a very very different place if it wasnt for the time and dedication of Open Source programmers. You are lucky that you have choice and that Window's isnt the "one os to rule them all".
I detect a smidgen of trolling going on here dude....
That said, I agree with you about the GUI. One of the reasons I stopped using Linux (after having used it in some capacity for about 4 years) is that, to my eyes, XP is just prettier.
Seriously though if you have been using linux for around 4 years you must have seen many many cases where Linux can look soooo much nicer than XP's fisherprice look and feel, sheesh!
I've got mine set up to look like OSX Panther
here is a screenshot! how subjective is that ? And personally if I had to stare at those garish XP colors all day i'd imagine my eyes would hurt pretty bad.
Just wondering , aside from Microsoft (who wont touch linux with a bargepole (thank god to some extent!)) are there many companies left that dont see that working linux into their business model is part of their future?
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We've got Macromedia , Novell , now Corel ; all on the case! and of course the old stalwarts such as IBM & Co. Whose left ? Adobe ?
Nick