Beware, vague and sweeping comments, from a linux user!
Apple design iconic products, there is no doubt about that. Aside from the different architecture ppc vs x86 the only real difference is the operating system. OSX, has fundamentally changed many peoples opinion of the system. It is a Unix that "Just Works" as seems to be the Geeky-Mac users catchphrase, as much as I've heard it enough times, that is almost certainly a truism. The interesting thing about OSX, is that unlike windows(which needs cygwin), you can compile or run most open source software out of the box pretty much. Either that or download a binary. For me this adds up to the fact that I can have the cool stuff like imovie and itunes and whatever on a gorgeous looking box or laptop, but also continue to use all my favorite Linux programs.
I often wondered how absurd it was that OS9 users had to buy that old "Fetch" ftp program in order to ftp. There are numerous other pieces of Mac software like this that with the newfound ease of recompiling common opensource stuff to run on OSX must surely be affecting the bottom line some of the smaller oldschool mac software companies.
The end outcome of this is surely going to be that aside from your big companies like macromedia and adobe, with the fat industry standard applications. The smaller software co's are likely to loose out. Hence the mac becomes a less enticing market for new proprietary-model companies to break into. In no means does this mean that OSX will become a less popular platform but I think that it will become a platform with a lot more freedom and software choice.
That in itself is going to keep it going. It is going to be very interesting to watch the Apple camp over the next few years, they have made several commitments to open source , KHTML , Darwin , et.al, It is only a matter of time before the benefits of this way of life become a more and more important part of their business model. So long as they keep making sexy looking consumer electronics, that "Just work" thats all that matters, after all thats what you pay for, aint it ?
Okay well, things must have changed then, since I last installed Suse (which was some years ago, as noted in my original post!) When I installed the live-iso back then I had to use a rather cumbersome text-based (not very super easy installer thing) in order to get it up and running. Apologies for my apparent ignorance. However I still stick by the fact that there are "Probably" (in quotes) additional non-gpl stuff included with the distro.
I've been trying for years to perfect the art of talking without moving my lips, now, with this new invention I can conquer the world with my amazing powers of ventriloquism, see , my incredible talking...Ahem...
I think I'd just like to add to that, I think one of the reasons they dont give a way iso's (apart from the live install one) is that the super easy installer thing is their own non-gpl'd installer. That which is not needed with the live install. With the pay-for edition i'd imagine you get some other extra (non-gpl / pay-for) applications bundled in for the price. I dont think its a bad deal by any stretch.
(Suse was the last os (i liked it) before i started using gentoo, which i've been on for roughly 2yrs now having been so pleased with tit)One of the things i liked about Gentoo was that it taught me a lot of stuff about linux that is generally quite hidden in some of the consumer linuce's like Suse and MDK. Suse is a good distro though id reccommended it to friends.
"One such somebody is Mr. Soto. He buys spam-pitched aromatherapy oils for his wife and pharmaceuticals for himself. "
So, from that we can deduce what? hmmm , He likes to give his wife a good rub-down, but needs "pharmaceuticals" for himself... (what kind of spam-advertised pharpaceuticals might that be)
Me thinks he cant get-it-up because he spends too much time online!
Im thinking... something like this might work though...
sound-bug (off think-geek) attached to inside of PC case (makes whole case a speaker) couple of strategically placed condenser mic's (ala 80's tape-recorder) and a nifty phase inverting circuit between the two...
I bought a nice pair of Sony ones for 60dollars in best-buy while i was in the states this christmas. There was a cheaper pair of "obscure make" ones for 40dollars which I had to take back as they were crap. These Sony ones are beauties though!
I think that the poster is obviously refering to the X-Box linux project, which via a buffer overflow exploit in certain games, enables linux to be installed without requiring a mod-chip.
The inherent open-ness of Linux and its various development kits allows developers to create software and games software without the costly restrictions and control console manufacturers seem to place over their respective hardware.
It should be noted however that Sony have released a Linux based distro specifically for Playstation 2 for exactly this purpose.
My own personal belief is that it is extremely difficult to create next-gen games without the kinds of near-hollywood budget software houses have to throw at it. Im not saying its impossible, but small scale bedroom coding aint gonna produce the kinds of masterpieces that Lionhead or $GAMESTUDIO_OFCHOICE are producing.
I think a better twist on this idea would be to produce bootable CDROM's ala knoppix, bundled with a specific game. This way you remove the notion of operating system dependancy. Linux enables you to build a very low-level OS, with just enough required to boot the game. If something along these lines were to be introduced it would allow mainstream software studios to sell games to anyone who has an x86 machine, regardless of OS.
Rosegarden, Is the closest thing to Cubase VST on Linux, it has enormous potential. Unfortunately I have found it prone to random crashes. Maybe when we get a stable release candidate, it will be a goer.
My gripe is that there is no open source linux tracker that comes anywhere close to Med Soundstudio . For a long time there has been rumour of a linux port, but I've not seen any evidence of this other than a "notify me when its available" box.
This is an annoying article, it fails to address many of the features of linux that make it so much better than windows.
I am not in any way a kernel hacking guru (so please forgive my brevity!), but simply from a usability standpoint. Linux does many many things so much better than windows. The way it multitasks, the way runaway processes dont bring down the whole machine. Linux just seems to do things properly, and when things do go wrong I can usually understand why, and ten to one its my often my fault.
Many years ago, (before I got into Linux), I discovered the Amiga, I've never used an OS, before or since that was so adept at handling multiple processes. At some stage, the Amiga died for me. At which point I moved onto PC, running Windows. I never ever liked windows. It always seemed like a shoddy OS, multitasking was a joke, and I experienced a lack of control. Stupid things like the inability to perform other tasks while formatting a disk, this and other issues really tugged my chain. How could that underpowered 68000 series machine do such simple things so much better? about 1999, I moved over to Linux, and, although in some respects its not quite the same as my die-hard old amigaOS , It has many of the qualities that my old sweetheart had back in the day. Linux just gets better and better. Kernel 2.6 series is awesome, all my hardware works perfectly without patching etc.
The problem with this article is that it seems to address the design philosophies of Windows series operating systems and Linux kernels. It is masquerading as a discussion of the technical merits of each but fails to address some of the core features and also fails to address how the implementation of core features actually affect the behavior and operation of the systems in question.
It looks like motorolla are improving with age. I've had issues motorolla's in the past and found the interfaces to be quite clunky, although one or two are quite nice design wise. So I've pretty much stuck with Nokia, (I quite like symbian). The new batch of Motorolla's are looking quite nice, I might try one out, and also I'd like to support linux on an embedded platform anyway.
My desire to get one has nothing to do with the lovely eye-candy. The main reason is stuff like iMovie (and ease of use of my DV Camera) and also music applications like cubase etc. I wont do Windows, havent for a long time. Its the Unix underpinnings of OSX, and some of the apps that just dont have Linux counterparts such as iMovie.
Even so, im preparing myself for OSX by using KDE...
"For the moment, the battleground is the legal action which the SCO Group, which currently own the Unix operating system which inspired Linux, has begun against Linux users and distributors."
Naturally I think this is a cool project. I have the Linux kit from Sony for my PS2, its fun to tinker with, the 40gb hard drive is a nice addition. It would be nice if "somehow" , someone found a way of attaching a harddrive to a game cube. It would make such, a tiny and cute little box, but free it from the reigns of having to use the network to boot and load applications from a remote machine! GC's are soo cheap these day's id be tempted to get one just for some G3-Linux goodness!
Why have you been waiting 5 yrs ? there have been plenty of Email clients around for years that have that function, it seems pretty barmy to use a software program that doesnt meet your requirements!
There are a lot of people on/. poo-pooing this initiative. Its simply absurd. I have my issues with Flash , and Dreamweaver too, just like everybody else.
But for heavens sake this is great news and I support it whole heartedly. Consider this, suppose this initiative was a success, and we have industry standard applications running, on the linux desktop , Flash, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Homesite and so forth? There are a lot of New Media shops out there who are going to benefit immensely from avoiding the Microsoft OS tax. The repercussions of this are immense.
Just quit moaning and support Macromedia for taking Linux more seriously. Regardless of issues with the software or how its put to use. Macromedia are doing a good thing period!
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Beware, vague and sweeping comments, from a linux user!
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Apple design iconic products, there is no doubt about that. Aside from the different architecture ppc vs x86 the only real difference is the operating system. OSX, has fundamentally changed many peoples opinion of the system. It is a Unix that "Just Works" as seems to be the Geeky-Mac users catchphrase, as much as I've heard it enough times, that is almost certainly a truism. The interesting thing about OSX, is that unlike windows(which needs cygwin), you can compile or run most open source software out of the box pretty much. Either that or download a binary. For me this adds up to the fact that I can have the cool stuff like imovie and itunes and whatever on a gorgeous looking box or laptop, but also continue to use all my favorite Linux programs.
I often wondered how absurd it was that OS9 users had to buy that old "Fetch" ftp program in order to ftp. There are numerous other pieces of Mac software like this that with the newfound ease of recompiling common opensource stuff to run on OSX must surely be affecting the bottom line some of the smaller oldschool mac software companies.
The end outcome of this is surely going to be that aside from your big companies like macromedia and adobe, with the fat industry standard applications. The smaller software co's are likely to loose out. Hence the mac becomes a less enticing market for new proprietary-model companies to break into. In no means does this mean that OSX will become a less popular platform but I think that it will become a platform with a lot more freedom and software choice.
That in itself is going to keep it going. It is going to be very interesting to watch the Apple camp over the next few years, they have made several commitments to open source , KHTML , Darwin , et.al, It is only a matter of time before the benefits of this way of life become a more and more important part of their business model. So long as they keep making sexy looking consumer electronics, that "Just work" thats all that matters, after all thats what you pay for, aint it ?
(please take my comments with a pinch of salt
Might I refer you to this post ???
YaST
nice to see you got your facts straight
These asteroids keep getting closer and closer, until someday .... bang!
Okay well, things must have changed then, since I last installed Suse (which was some years ago, as noted in my original post!) When I installed the live-iso back then I had to use a rather cumbersome text-based (not very super easy installer thing) in order to get it up and running. Apologies for my apparent ignorance. However I still stick by the fact that there are "Probably" (in quotes) additional non-gpl stuff included with the distro.
I've been trying for years to perfect the art of talking without moving my lips, now, with this new invention I can conquer the world with my amazing powers of ventriloquism, see , my incredible talking ...Ahem...
I think I'd just like to add to that, I think one of the reasons they dont give a way iso's (apart from the live install one) is that the super easy installer thing is their own non-gpl'd installer. That which is not needed with the live install. With the pay-for edition i'd imagine you get some other extra (non-gpl / pay-for) applications bundled in for the price. I dont think its a bad deal by any stretch.
(Suse was the last os (i liked it) before i started using gentoo, which i've been on for roughly 2yrs now having been so pleased with tit)One of the things i liked about Gentoo was that it taught me a lot of stuff about linux that is generally quite hidden in some of the consumer linuce's like Suse and MDK. Suse is a good distro though id reccommended it to friends.
"One such somebody is Mr. Soto. He buys spam-pitched aromatherapy oils for his wife and pharmaceuticals for himself. "
So, from that we can deduce what? hmmm , He likes to give his wife a good rub-down, but needs "pharmaceuticals" for himself... (what kind of spam-advertised pharpaceuticals might that be)
Me thinks he cant get-it-up because he spends too much time online!
Im thinking ... something like this might work though...
...
sound-bug (off think-geek) attached to inside of PC case (makes whole case a speaker)
couple of strategically placed condenser mic's (ala 80's tape-recorder) and a nifty phase inverting circuit between the two...
nick
whoah those are expensive..
I bought a nice pair of Sony ones for 60dollars in best-buy while i was in the states this christmas. There was a cheaper pair of "obscure make" ones for 40dollars which I had to take back as they were crap. These Sony ones are beauties though!
I think that the poster is obviously refering to the X-Box linux project, which via a buffer overflow exploit in certain games, enables linux to be installed without requiring a mod-chip.
The inherent open-ness of Linux and its various development kits allows developers to create software and games software without the costly restrictions and control console manufacturers seem to place over their respective hardware.
It should be noted however that Sony have released a Linux based distro specifically for Playstation 2 for exactly this purpose.
My own personal belief is that it is extremely difficult to create next-gen games without the kinds of near-hollywood budget software houses have to throw at it. Im not saying its impossible, but small scale bedroom coding aint gonna produce the kinds of masterpieces that Lionhead or $GAMESTUDIO_OFCHOICE are producing.
I think a better twist on this idea would be to produce bootable CDROM's ala knoppix, bundled with a specific game. This way you remove the notion of operating system dependancy. Linux enables you to build a very low-level OS, with just enough required to boot the game. If something along these lines were to be introduced it would allow mainstream software studios to sell games to anyone who has an x86 machine, regardless of OS.
The purchase of my new underground lair would not be complete without This Book
Rosegarden, Is the closest thing to Cubase VST on Linux, it has enormous potential. Unfortunately I have found it prone to random crashes. Maybe when we get a stable release candidate, it will be a goer.
My gripe is that there is no open source linux tracker that comes anywhere close to Med Soundstudio . For a long time there has been rumour of a linux port, but I've not seen any evidence of this other than a "notify me when its available" box.
This is an annoying article, it fails to address many of the features of linux that make it so much better than windows.
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I am not in any way a kernel hacking guru (so please forgive my brevity!), but simply from a usability standpoint. Linux does many many things so much better than windows. The way it multitasks, the way runaway processes dont bring down the whole machine. Linux just seems to do things properly, and when things do go wrong I can usually understand why, and ten to one its my often my fault.
Many years ago, (before I got into Linux), I discovered the Amiga, I've never used an OS, before or since that was so adept at handling multiple processes. At some stage, the Amiga died for me. At which point I moved onto PC, running Windows. I never ever liked windows. It always seemed like a shoddy OS, multitasking was a joke, and I experienced a lack of control. Stupid things like the inability to perform other tasks while formatting a disk, this and other issues really tugged my chain. How could that underpowered 68000 series machine do such simple things so much better? about 1999, I moved over to Linux, and, although in some respects its not quite the same as my die-hard old amigaOS , It has many of the qualities that my old sweetheart had back in the day. Linux just gets better and better. Kernel 2.6 series is awesome, all my hardware works perfectly without patching etc.
The problem with this article is that it seems to address the design philosophies of Windows series operating systems and Linux kernels. It is masquerading as a discussion of the technical merits of each but fails to address some of the core features and also fails to address how the implementation of core features actually affect the behavior and operation of the systems in question.
nick
Microsoft Rereleases Patch to Fix Problems....
Heavens above, Shock Horror!, Its not like thats news... Is it ?
It looks like motorolla are improving with age. I've had issues motorolla's in the past and found the interfaces to be quite clunky, although one or two are quite nice design wise. So I've pretty much stuck with Nokia, (I quite like symbian). The new batch of Motorolla's are looking quite nice, I might try one out, and also I'd like to support linux on an embedded platform anyway.
Im planning on getting a Powerbook at some stage.
;)
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My desire to get one has nothing to do with the lovely eye-candy. The main reason is stuff like iMovie (and ease of use of my DV Camera) and also music applications like cubase etc. I wont do Windows, havent for a long time. Its the Unix underpinnings of OSX, and some of the apps that just dont have Linux counterparts such as iMovie.
Even so, im preparing myself for OSX by using KDE...
Stylisation...
All in all though Eye-Candy like that is just an added bonus
nick
"For the moment, the battleground is the legal action which the SCO Group, which currently own the Unix operating system which inspired Linux, has begun against Linux users and distributors."
Clever phrasing dont you think?
Naturally I think this is a cool project. I have the Linux kit from Sony for my PS2, its fun to tinker with, the 40gb hard drive is a nice addition. It would be nice if "somehow" , someone found a way of attaching a harddrive to a game cube. It would make such, a tiny and cute little box, but free it from the reigns of having to use the network to boot and load applications from a remote machine! GC's are soo cheap these day's id be tempted to get one just for some G3-Linux goodness!
I'd have to thank you for all the hard work, my desktop looks great, and now its even better with the latest icon set.
;)
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FYI, I'll be getting a powerbook as soon as i get money.
Kind Regards
nick
Why have you been waiting 5 yrs ? there have been plenty of Email clients around for years that have that function, it seems pretty barmy to use a software program that doesnt meet your requirements!
seems like a great way to give people a longhorn
There is enough crap on television these days , without having to look at myself!
There are a lot of people on /. poo-pooing this initiative. Its simply absurd. I have my issues with Flash , and Dreamweaver too, just like everybody else.
But for heavens sake this is great news and I support it whole heartedly. Consider this, suppose this initiative was a success, and we have industry standard applications running, on the linux desktop , Flash, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Homesite and so forth? There are a lot of New Media shops out there who are going to benefit immensely from avoiding the Microsoft OS tax. The repercussions of this are immense.
Just quit moaning and support Macromedia for taking Linux more seriously. Regardless of issues with the software or how its put to use. Macromedia are doing a good thing period!
"However, Stowell went on to say that the memo was misunderstood, and that Microsoft has not been funding SCO,"
oooh yes, itchy beard, we beleive you. Just like we believe that there is infringing code in the linux kernel.
LOL, yes it was :)
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(mod him up funny!)
nick