Of all those links, only two talk about how SGI's IP is preventing nVidia from open sourcing the drivers. Neither of those two (Tom's Hardware and the FreeBSD nVidia driver initiative) can even remotely be considered official statements by either nVidia or SGI.
Care to try again?
Hey, I'll gladly admit that I have no proof that my statement is true. I have simply based it on what an SGI employee has told me.
How about you admitting you have no proof to back up your statement about SGI's IP.
Oh, and your final link should read "NVIDIA and S3 drop lawsuits" not "NVIDIA and SGI..."
Actually, I really dislike the GPL and everything it stands for. What I dislike more, though, is the arrogance of many BSD users I see on here with the sig:
Linux is for those who hate Microsoft, BSD is for those who love UNIX.
Once again, FUD... I've posted this before, and I'll post it again:
SGI has stated, on a number of occaisions, that they are not responsible for the closed nature of nVidia's driver and that they have, in fact, tried to push nVidia into opening the drivers...
Please learn all the facts before posting that crap again.
WTF? Epic spent a good deal of time getting this game up and running under Linux and all you can do is bitch!
You should be thankful that they've done what they have. It is not up to Epic to make the game playable on every Linux system. It is up the video card manufacturers to make sure their cards can support the latest games.
Rumor? Huh? Hate to break it to you, but the Weather Channel has confirmed that they're paying Tungsten Graphics to develop the drivers, and Tungsten Graphics has already begun work.
And if you look at the forum's for nVidia card, you'll see the same basic posts... Please remember that people post on forums and newgroups like that in order to complain, not to praise.
XiG has a free, fully functional demo of the X server which supports all the necessary features to run the UT2K3 demo. The X server runs for 30 minutes before stopping, but it can be run as many times as you like. In addition, Epic has said they're working with ATI to get S3TC supported in the binary drivers ATI has released.
Hey moron, it's not true at all. I don't give a flying @#$#@ what the README states. I just played it under linux with a demo of the XiG accelerated X server on my Radeon 8500. XiG released this demo on the 13th of this month, which is probably why the README doesn't mention it as a possibility.
It's also not true that you need an nVidia card to play it under Windows, which you said was "probably" the case. You were wrong on both counts. Deal with it.
At least some of those patents were SGI properties that MSFT bought some months ago.
Long before MSFT bought those patents, SGI was on record denying that they were, in any way, preventing nVidia from open sourcing their drivers. nVidia hasn't for one reason only: they don't want to.
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Apparently, UT2003 (at least the Demo for Linux, but probably for Windows as well) requires an nVidia board to run.
This is not true at all. The XiG accelerated servers now support the S3TC extension under Linux (and offer fully featured demo versions), and all Radeons support S3TC under Windows....
BTW, there is nothing non-standard about the S3TC extension. It's quite well accepted and implemented on nearly every new (ie. within the last year or two) video card on the market. The issue of implementing support for the extension in the DRI drivers is a purely legal one, not technical one.
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If you want to try it with your Radeon under Linux, download the demo of the Xi Accelerated X server from XiG's website.
It's a fully functional demo of their server that will run for 30 minutes before killing the X server. You can run the demo as many times as you want.
We've already established that MS ignored the advertising clause of the BSD license when it used the BSD TCP/IP stack. What makes you think that they wouldn't just ignore all of the clauses of the GPL?
However (and correct me if I'm wrong here), ALSA can do that transparently, removing the need for pretty much forcing esd or similar on users.
ALSA itself does not do software mixing in the drivers.. A 3rd party app (such as esd, arts, or even an alsa specific one) would be needed to do this and audio applications would have to be written to support it.
Only hardware mixing would be truly transparent (or, possibly, software mixing in the drivers).
There are a handful, yes, but ALSA is going to be the new kernel standard in 2.6 and will allieviate the need for oss (current kernel code), esd, artsd, etc - at least as far as "many people writing to/dev/dsp at once."
Not true... Alsa only supports multiple access to/dev/dsp* if the hardware supports it. If the hardware doesn't support it, you still need a software mixer.
Even if ATI releases a superior part they just shoot themselves in the foot by releasing shitty drivers on an unpredictable schedule.
That was true in the past, but I haven't had a single issue with either my original 64 Meg Radeon, my Radeon 7500, or my Radeon 8500. I really wish people would stop living in the past and realize that ATI has dramatically improved their driver support in the past year.
That is a size example of how most file formats today are bigger than what a floppy can hold.
Hmmm... I know a lot of teachers who use their computer mostly for writing up lesson plans and tests in MS Word, and they can fit dozens of these files onto one floppy. That's all they need.
Shall we compare the number of users who use Word day to day with the number of users who create mp3s, avis, mpegs, or other formats that (generally) won't fit on a floppy. I think you'll find that Word users are much more plentiful, and for their needs, floppies work great.
Yet Salon is promoting this woman as the "common man" in the article which doesn't sit well with your point. Most users have dropped the floppy.
Very few users that I know have dropped the floppy. The ones that have are generally the much more advanced computer users, not the average user.
And why not? They're considerably cheaper than CDs, and they make a lot more sense if you only have a 30k file that you need to backup or take/send somewhere.
I can't even fit one MP3 on a floppy these days.
Did you even read the complete article? Did she ever mention wanting to store MP3s on floppy?
Remember, just because something isn't useful to you doesn't mean it isn't useful to someone else.
And if you look at the download page you'll see that it hasn't been updated since December of last year. Maybe development is continuing, but 3D support is still not available (as compared to 3D support for Radeon cards under FreeBSD).
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I guess you're too stubborn (or is that stupid?) to admit when you're wrong.
Dinivin
Of all those links, only two talk about how SGI's IP is preventing nVidia from open sourcing the drivers. Neither of those two (Tom's Hardware and the FreeBSD nVidia driver initiative) can even remotely be considered official statements by either nVidia or SGI.
Care to try again?
Hey, I'll gladly admit that I have no proof that my statement is true. I have simply based it on what an SGI employee has told me.
How about you admitting you have no proof to back up your statement about SGI's IP.
Oh, and your final link should read "NVIDIA and S3 drop lawsuits" not "NVIDIA and SGI..."
Dinivin
But you'll believe the guy who said that the problem is SGI IP without providing any links? Says a lot about you.
Dinivin
Actually, I really dislike the GPL and everything it stands for. What I dislike more, though, is the arrogance of many BSD users I see on here with the sig:
Linux is for those who hate Microsoft, BSD is for those who love UNIX.
Dinivin
Once again, FUD... I've posted this before, and I'll post it again:
SGI has stated, on a number of occaisions, that they are not responsible for the closed nature of nVidia's driver and that they have, in fact, tried to push nVidia into opening the drivers...
Please learn all the facts before posting that crap again.
Dinivin
And I'll be sure to save a copy of your post to show people that you're an idiot.
You on the other hand, want to force people to watch parts of movies they'd rather not watch.
Hey moron, since when are people forced to watch a movie they don't want to watch?
Dinivin
WTF? Epic spent a good deal of time getting this game up and running under Linux and all you can do is bitch!
You should be thankful that they've done what they have. It is not up to Epic to make the game playable on every Linux system. It is up the video card manufacturers to make sure their cards can support the latest games.
Dinivin
Or a Star Trek fan.
Dinivin
Rumor? Huh? Hate to break it to you, but the Weather Channel has confirmed that they're paying Tungsten Graphics to develop the drivers, and Tungsten Graphics has already begun work.
Dinivin
And if you look at the forum's for nVidia card, you'll see the same basic posts... Please remember that people post on forums and newgroups like that in order to complain, not to praise.
Dinivin
XiG has a free, fully functional demo of the X server which supports all the necessary features to run the UT2K3 demo. The X server runs for 30 minutes before stopping, but it can be run as many times as you like. In addition, Epic has said they're working with ATI to get S3TC supported in the binary drivers ATI has released.
So where's all the gay porn on your site?
Dinivin
Hey moron, it's not true at all. I don't give a flying @#$#@ what the README states. I just played it under linux with a demo of the XiG accelerated X server on my Radeon 8500. XiG released this demo on the 13th of this month, which is probably why the README doesn't mention it as a possibility.
It's also not true that you need an nVidia card to play it under Windows, which you said was "probably" the case. You were wrong on both counts. Deal with it.
Dinivin
At least some of those patents were SGI properties that MSFT bought some months ago.
Long before MSFT bought those patents, SGI was on record denying that they were, in any way, preventing nVidia from open sourcing their drivers. nVidia hasn't for one reason only: they don't want to.
Dinivin
Apparently, UT2003 (at least the Demo for Linux, but probably for Windows as well) requires an nVidia board to run.
This is not true at all. The XiG accelerated servers now support the S3TC extension under Linux (and offer fully featured demo versions), and all Radeons support S3TC under Windows....
BTW, there is nothing non-standard about the S3TC extension. It's quite well accepted and implemented on nearly every new (ie. within the last year or two) video card on the market. The issue of implementing support for the extension in the DRI drivers is a purely legal one, not technical one.
Dinivin
If you want to try it with your Radeon under Linux, download the demo of the Xi Accelerated X server from XiG's website.
It's a fully functional demo of their server that will run for 30 minutes before killing the X server. You can run the demo as many times as you want.
Dinivin
Hey hypocrite, how about following your own advice?
We've already established that MS ignored the advertising clause of the BSD license when it used the BSD TCP/IP stack. What makes you think that they wouldn't just ignore all of the clauses of the GPL?
However (and correct me if I'm wrong here), ALSA can do that transparently, removing the need for pretty much forcing esd or similar on users.
ALSA itself does not do software mixing in the drivers.. A 3rd party app (such as esd, arts, or even an alsa specific one) would be needed to do this and audio applications would have to be written to support it.
Only hardware mixing would be truly transparent (or, possibly, software mixing in the drivers).
Dinivin
There are a handful, yes, but ALSA is going to be the new kernel standard in 2.6 and will allieviate the need for oss (current kernel code), esd, artsd, etc - at least as far as "many people writing to /dev/dsp at once."
/dev/dsp* if the hardware supports it. If the hardware doesn't support it, you still need a software mixer.
Not true... Alsa only supports multiple access to
Dinivin
Even if ATI releases a superior part they just shoot themselves in the foot by releasing shitty drivers on an unpredictable schedule.
That was true in the past, but I haven't had a single issue with either my original 64 Meg Radeon, my Radeon 7500, or my Radeon 8500. I really wish people would stop living in the past and realize that ATI has dramatically improved their driver support in the past year.
Dinivin
That is a size example of how most file formats today are bigger than what a floppy can hold.
Hmmm... I know a lot of teachers who use their computer mostly for writing up lesson plans and tests in MS Word, and they can fit dozens of these files onto one floppy. That's all they need.
Shall we compare the number of users who use Word day to day with the number of users who create mp3s, avis, mpegs, or other formats that (generally) won't fit on a floppy. I think you'll find that Word users are much more plentiful, and for their needs, floppies work great.
Yet Salon is promoting this woman as the "common man" in the article which doesn't sit well with your point. Most users have dropped the floppy. Very few users that I know have dropped the floppy. The ones that have are generally the much more advanced computer users, not the average user.
Dinivin
She's still using Floppies for God's sake!
And why not? They're considerably cheaper than CDs, and they make a lot more sense if you only have a 30k file that you need to backup or take/send somewhere.
I can't even fit one MP3 on a floppy these days.
Did you even read the complete article? Did she ever mention wanting to store MP3s on floppy?
Remember, just because something isn't useful to you doesn't mean it isn't useful to someone else.
Dinivin
Maybe you should pay a little more attention to the threading of this conversation. I was responding to the AC that had responded to you.
He was a moron, not you.
Dinivin
And if you look at the download page you'll see that it hasn't been updated since December of last year. Maybe development is continuing, but 3D support is still not available (as compared to 3D support for Radeon cards under FreeBSD).
Dinivin