When we say we "know" something in science, it's really just a shortcut for something like "overwhelming evidence suggests X and currently there is little or no good evidence to the contrary, such that there's not even enough there to debate it, such that it's boring to keep talking about it. Also, when we assume X is correct it also fits in with lots of other evidence and/or experiments, so until any of that changes we're going to proceed to assume X is true and go look at that cool stuff over there".
...this sums up what scientists "know". It's also why a Real Scientist(tm) rarely (if ever) speaks absolutes with regards to a theory.
Of course, this is often used against Real Scientits. "Look, he said the evidence 'suggests' thisorthat! That proves that he really doesn't know!"
This is like teaching history as simply isolated events, without showing any relationships between them.
Yah, and I think the problem here is, which version of context to we teach? Divine Right? Divine Destiny? Conservative? Liberal? The fact that Con & Lib has completely switched several times in our history?
I believe this is one of the factors that dumb down the pre-college texts. To make it politically/theogically/scientifically acceptable to all, textbooks devolve to "just the facts". If they don't, someone will have a problem with the way that context is presented & interpreted.
Or perhaps the ones in favor of teaching evolution and climate change as established theory (not fact...facts are used to support theories) find that people and corporations, for their own various reasons, are fighting them, and the *only* way they can make headway is via govt (you know, that thing we all have an opportunity to vote for).
blind to the fact that good science does not reject alternative theories
As another poster mentioned, creationism was considered as a scientific theory. It is now a discredited scientific theory. Something to do with not being repeatable, not useful for making predictions. Creationism, etc, can and is taught all over the place, in philosophy & theology classes.
You're right, without US there would have been no pissing match. The tanks & apc's would have rolled right in and in three days or so you would have had the opportunity to welcome your new overlords.
"as China and us believe it to be" vs "as China and we believe it to be"
A trick is to break it down without the "and", so you end up with "us believe it to be" or "we believe it to be".
Another slightly different example "give it to them or us" vs "give it to them or we". In this case you'd break it down to "give it to us" and that would be correct.
I'm not sure I'm explaining it well (I just woke up), so I hope this is useful and not confusing.
less than 20% of Soviet spy activity went into trying to get state secrets/military technology
Yeah, I think it was because the Soviets didn't trust our open sources, they couldn't believe we would let so much real information leak out like a sieve.
Good point. Also, I think a lot of people may be buying another car for other reasons...carrying capacity, power, whatever. How many little citycars does one family need?
Feathers evolved as insulation. After millions of years, they and the critters they adorned evolved them into use for flight (along with diminished size, air-pockets in bones, etc).
"These days, commercial games are just a gateway to eternal revenue. Software houses have lost the the core idea of making products that are good and that give value to the customer."
Oh come on. Obviously somebody gets value out of it. We may belittle the so-called value, but it's there.
Every now & then some company can buck the trends, but, basically, without a revenue stream, the company will die.
I happen to like BF3. It's good & it gives me a lot of value. When they come out w/ new maps, I'll buy them. It's a good product and I don't mind supporting the company.
I've not heard of any amateur/fan-based/open-search/labor-of-love/whatever product that can compete.
The design lacks several elements common to stealth engineering, namely notched landing gear doors and sharp leading edges. It has a curved wing planform, and the exhaust is not shielded by the wing.[10] Aviation Week postulates that these elements suggest the designers have avoided 'highly sensitive technologies' due to the near certainty of eventual operational loss inherent with a single engine design and a desire to avoid the risk of compromising leading edge technology.
DOD News Briefing with George Little and Capt. Kirby from the Pentagon
Q: But you did put out a statement last week saying you'd lost a drone, and you thought this might be it.
MR. LITTLE: We said, you know, all week that, you know, we did have a UAV go missing. But you know, when it comes to sensitive reconnaissance missions, we call them sensitive for a reason. So we're not going to add to what we said over the weekend.
I'm repeating this from a previous thread. Unless the politics in you area are too fubar, it may & should get better for you:
Yeah, the first attempts at recycling in my town in California were pretty lame. We had to sort to three small bins in addition to the trash cans.
Then they upgraded & issued us large bins for our trash, the kind where an arm on the garbage truck can pick it up. Large & tough, these work great. Shortly after they did the same w/ the Recycle bin. It was large & required no sorting of the recyclables themselves.
There were still restrictions on what could be recycled, which I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to. For instance, I didn't realize styrofoam was banned. Even when I found that out, I still put the styrofoam in the recycle bin, figuring if I & enough people do it "from our ignorance", they'll figure out a way to deal with it.
Which is exactly what they did. A year or two ago they sent an updated list, and styrofoam & a bunch of other stuff is now acceptable.
sr
"One mans garbage is another mans gold" - YardSailor
Yeah, the first attempts at recycling in my town in California were pretty lame. We had to sort to three small bins in addition to the trash cans.
Then they upgraded & issued us large bins for our trash, the kind where an arm on the garbage truck can pick it up. Large & tough, these work great. Shortly after they did the same w/ the Recycle bin. It was large & required no sorting of the recyclables themselves.
There were still restrictions on what could be recycled, which I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to. For instance, I didn't realize styrofoam was banned. Even when I found that out, I still put the styrofoam in the recycle bin, figuring if I & enough people do it "from our ignorance", they'll figure out a way to deal with it.
Which is exactly what they did. A year or two ago they sent an updated list, and styrofoam & a bunch of other stuff is now acceptable.
sr
"One mans garbage is another mans gold" - YardSailor
The answer, according to our founding documents, is a resounding NO.
Fair enough, I'll agree that doing this at the federal level would be out-of-line. Nothing in the summary, though, says anything about who's to do the mandating. The implication to me is that it would be the cities themselves doing the mandating. And that is what I've seen in actual practice for the past 10-20 years or so.
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Excellent points. I especially like...
Of course, this is often used against Real Scientits. "Look, he said the evidence 'suggests' thisorthat! That proves that he really doesn't know!"
sr
What he said!
Yah, and I think the problem here is, which version of context to we teach? Divine Right? Divine Destiny? Conservative? Liberal? The fact that Con & Lib has completely switched several times in our history?
I believe this is one of the factors that dumb down the pre-college texts. To make it politically/theogically/scientifically acceptable to all, textbooks devolve to "just the facts". If they don't, someone will have a problem with the way that context is presented & interpreted.
sr
Or perhaps the ones in favor of teaching evolution and climate change as established theory (not fact...facts are used to support theories) find that people and corporations, for their own various reasons, are fighting them, and the *only* way they can make headway is via govt (you know, that thing we all have an opportunity to vote for).
sr
As another poster mentioned, creationism was considered as a scientific theory. It is now a discredited scientific theory. Something to do with not being repeatable, not useful for making predictions. Creationism, etc, can and is taught all over the place, in philosophy & theology classes.
sr
"It's turtles, all the way down"
You're right, without US there would have been no pissing match. The tanks & apc's would have rolled right in and in three days or so you would have had the opportunity to welcome your new overlords.
sr
or enlisted as ideal cannon fodder for the Great Peoples Army
"as China and us believe it to be" vs "as China and we believe it to be"
A trick is to break it down without the "and", so you end up with "us believe it to be" or "we believe it to be".
Another slightly different example "give it to them or us" vs "give it to them or we". In this case you'd break it down to "give it to us" and that would be correct.
I'm not sure I'm explaining it well (I just woke up), so I hope this is useful and not confusing.
sr
Yeah, I think it was because the Soviets didn't trust our open sources, they couldn't believe we would let so much real information leak out like a sieve.
sr
Good point. Also, I think a lot of people may be buying another car for other reasons...carrying capacity, power, whatever. How many little citycars does one family need?
Feathers evolved as insulation. After millions of years, they and the critters they adorned evolved them into use for flight (along with diminished size, air-pockets in bones, etc).
"These days, commercial games are just a gateway to eternal revenue. Software houses have lost the the core idea of making products that are good and that give value to the customer."
Oh come on. Obviously somebody gets value out of it. We may belittle the so-called value, but it's there.
Every now & then some company can buck the trends, but, basically, without a revenue stream, the company will die.
I happen to like BF3. It's good & it gives me a lot of value. When they come out w/ new maps, I'll buy them. It's a good product and I don't mind supporting the company.
I've not heard of any amateur/fan-based/open-search/labor-of-love/whatever product that can compete.
sr
Props to you, sir! You reeled 'em right in.
Babelfish:
" over the clouds, where the freedom ist" boundlessly;
Compress to the beat of "Staying Alive" by the BeeGees.
Slavic languages do not have articles.
And, from the wiki...
The design lacks several elements common to stealth engineering, namely notched landing gear doors and sharp leading edges. It has a curved wing planform, and the exhaust is not shielded by the wing.[10] Aviation Week postulates that these elements suggest the designers have avoided 'highly sensitive technologies' due to the near certainty of eventual operational loss inherent with a single engine design and a desire to avoid the risk of compromising leading edge technology.
From BBC 12/4...
Iran's armed forces have shot down an unmanned US spy plane that violated its eastern borders, military sources say.
Iranian media reports said the drone - identified as a type RQ170 - suffered minimal damage and was now in the hands of the armed forces.
The Nato-led Isaf force in neighbouring Afghanistan says the US drone could be one that was lost over western Afghanistan last week.
Iran is locked in a dispute with the West over its nuclear programme.
The US and its allies believe the programme is aimed at developing nuclear weapons. Iran denies the accusations, saying it is entirely peaceful.
I don't think so.
RQ-170 Speed 500-600 mph
C130 Maximum speed: 320 knots (366 mph, 592 km/h) at 20,000 ft (6,060 m)
Hmm.
From http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2011/12/mil-111208-dod01.htm
DOD News Briefing with George Little and Capt. Kirby from the Pentagon
Q: But you did put out a statement last week saying you'd lost a drone, and you thought this might be it.
MR. LITTLE: We said, you know, all week that, you know, we did have a UAV go missing. But you know, when it comes to sensitive reconnaissance missions, we call them sensitive for a reason. So we're not going to add to what we said over the weekend.
I'm repeating this from a previous thread. Unless the politics in you area are too fubar, it may & should get better for you:
Yeah, the first attempts at recycling in my town in California were pretty lame. We had to sort to three small bins in addition to the trash cans.
Then they upgraded & issued us large bins for our trash, the kind where an arm on the garbage truck can pick it up. Large & tough, these work great. Shortly after they did the same w/ the Recycle bin. It was large & required no sorting of the recyclables themselves.
There were still restrictions on what could be recycled, which I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to. For instance, I didn't realize styrofoam was banned. Even when I found that out, I still put the styrofoam in the recycle bin, figuring if I & enough people do it "from our ignorance", they'll figure out a way to deal with it.
Which is exactly what they did. A year or two ago they sent an updated list, and styrofoam & a bunch of other stuff is now acceptable.
sr
"One mans garbage is another mans gold" - YardSailor
Yeah, the first attempts at recycling in my town in California were pretty lame. We had to sort to three small bins in addition to the trash cans.
Then they upgraded & issued us large bins for our trash, the kind where an arm on the garbage truck can pick it up. Large & tough, these work great. Shortly after they did the same w/ the Recycle bin. It was large & required no sorting of the recyclables themselves.
There were still restrictions on what could be recycled, which I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to. For instance, I didn't realize styrofoam was banned. Even when I found that out, I still put the styrofoam in the recycle bin, figuring if I & enough people do it "from our ignorance", they'll figure out a way to deal with it.
Which is exactly what they did. A year or two ago they sent an updated list, and styrofoam & a bunch of other stuff is now acceptable.
sr
"One mans garbage is another mans gold" - YardSailor
Fair enough, I'll agree that doing this at the federal level would be out-of-line. Nothing in the summary, though, says anything about who's to do the mandating. The implication to me is that it would be the cities themselves doing the mandating. And that is what I've seen in actual practice for the past 10-20 years or so.
and provides a tasty and trendy appetizer.
Thanks, tight little story there. I'd rate it more interesting than funny, but your final line does bring a big grin.