You can tell a CS student by the fact that so many think that "goto" is a word in the english language. Alas not, it is a C/C++ instruction which should be avoided. Proper form is "go to".
Not that I'm patting myself on the back for knowing this, I had to consult the dictionary first!
Windows needs to be able to associate the file type (.class) with the JRE.Last I checked such as association doesn't exist on my computer. I think the only way it could be done is if they send an HTML page with an embedded applet. Then you have to deal with the security manager. Plus there are multiple files to send...
VNC DOES provide an X session to multiple users over a network. I know people who are doing it. Multiple win deleveopers use a win VNC client to connect to a dual XEON Linux machine running the server.
The interface they use is simplistic, but I'd think you could use others
While this may have ramifications, I don't think they will be great. Nu DID end up releasing the source code, so it may be a moot point. I think what's most significant is that the FSF has proven they will fight to protect and enfore the GPL.
If MS came out after this "viral" license I think that IBM and others who have strongly supported Linux (and hence, the GPL) would make that a costly proposition. Regardless of what IBM may think about the GPL, having the legal foundation of your marketing brain-child ripped out from under you is not a pleasant proposition. Plus, would people continue to develop code for Linux w/o the GPL? Another reason for IBM (and others) to step in.
Additionally, potential gov't actions - not just the US gov't, but also European governments who take a dim view of MS - may also be a deterrent to MS trying that little strategy. Even so, I wouldn't put it past MS to try...
This is so absurd it's almost funny. Aren't they supposed to be using that little cookie they put on one's computer to watch where you surf for marketing info? Isn't that supposed to translate into ads customized to one's viewing habits?
Yet here I am with "World's Largest Casino" and "X10" ads (man, I hope those jerks go out of business). Do they actually DO anything with that "Big Brother" data? On my linux box, I use Mozilla.98 and block the SOBs anyway, but IE version whatever happily accepts every cookie thrown at it. I'd think they could do better with the data they collect.
Isn't this what happened to Earthlink about 4-5 years ago (an Internet Millenium)? They were HORRIBLE about not dealing with spammers, then several networks got tired of dealing with the e-mail boxes filling up, not to mention the bandwidth being used. Finally, anything (e-mail wise) from Earthlink was denied, end of story.
At that point, they started paying more attention. The same will probably happen here, once legit users start getting screwed, they'll complain to China Telecom (or whomever) and get the problem taken care of.
Irritating good customers is not worth looking the other way so some small-time scammers can get away with nonsense. Hopefully, this will be the case...
The X1000 has RH 7.1. Not to say that there may not be Mandrake machines as well or that Mandrake may be providing tech support (since Mandrake is based on RH).
Is better than a "roll your own" machine? Isn't that the real issue? It seems like RH and Mandrake take quite a beating for bloat and when I do installs I find myself peeling junk off I don't want &| need.
Heck as a two-year Linux "veteran" ( Yes, I hear that bunch of you laughing, now keep quiet!;) ) I think I would have a hard time with a standard load from another company. I've gone from RH to Mandrake and now am using Slack as my Linux machine. It would be hard for me to get away from the "roll-your own" mentality...
I suppose the point is that I would have much use for such a machine except that the MS-tax would be absent. I'm not knocking HP, I think they make very nice machines and I applaud their actions.
Is there anything about this particular machine which sets it apart from other Linux loads?
I completely agree with you. I'm a Linux supporter and it just isn't ready for the average user. To make it there we need a desktop with configuration tools which are intuitive to the average user and make sure all the fluff (extension matches, etc.) works correctly.
Even then, I'm not sure Linux is for the average person, another poster (on another story) made the best comment I've heard yet:
Linux is a UNIX alternative, not a Windows alternative
A *nix-type OS requires a competent user. I'm truly uncomfortable turning this over to the average person. Granted, Apple has done a nice job with OS X. Therefore, I suppose it can be done, but the OSS way probably won't work.
Time will tell. I DO wish that Apple would come put with an Intel-version of OSX...
about the digital screens. Lucas should be concerned with writing a good story. Phantom Menace was HORRIBLE. As a die hard Star Wars fan, I was really disappointed.
Jar-Jar, the race scene and an 8-year-old destoying the bad-guys ship at the end was almost more than I could take.
Digital Effects != a good movie. Star Wars (A New Hope) was great because is was sci-fi and had a great story. The fighter scene may have been good for it's time, but don't tell me it's what made the movie great.
They first three (Ewoks aside) were clever original and had fantastic plots. The good guys DIDN'T always win, there was great adversity faced in what was seen as a losing struggle. I could go on...
I can only take it that the people writing these posts either have never used java or only used it "back in the day" to write Applets. If it's that slow, you should go tell Oracle, since a very good part of 8i and up are written in Java. Ever wonder why Oracle uses all those.jar files when you're installing?
Java is NOT slow, Java code can run very quickly, especially if written properly, just like most other languages. It may not be as fast as optimized C++ code, but it's not slow, either.
Java ISN'T perfect, but you're beating on points that are simply wrong. You should probably learn about what you're talking about before you post. Write that one down.
I see the biggest issue being that Sun essentially has a choke hold on Java, particularly J2EE. Improvments and updates are unlikely to come as quickly as they would if Java were more open.
You have to get used to how the environment variable works. Yeah, it can be source of issue, but there's nothing like learning how to deal with it early on.
For just playing around, or if you're using one of those "new-fangled" IDEs, then you can get away with avoiding classpath. But, if you're ever going to start deploying those apps to anything but your computer you have to know how this stuff works
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Does anyone truly believe that Gates has made a positive contribution to "this earth", other than his (admittedly laudable) charitable works?
Of course! MS BROUGHT PCs to the masses! People like my father, who really struggles with computers, now has full access to the amazing power of the internet through Microsoft and Bill Gates!
As a fellow computer professional, I appreciate MS as well. Thanks to Microsoft and their powerfull, yet easy-to-use and highly integrated software I can get much more done in a shorter period of time! Thanks to this, I no longer have to spend hours at work in front of the computer!
Instead I get to go down to fathers house and clean 58 viruses from his computer in a "quick and efficient" manner. H3ll, it only took me 4 hours! (and yes, he DOES have a subscription to McAfee, one of those clever little buggers disabled it).
When whoever has the reality stick is done with it, pass it over here. I'm going to go "Barry Bonds" on this Salon.com guy for a few hours. I was laughing until I realized he was serious.
Why is this guy a troll? His method of presenting his point may be a bit out of line, but his point IS valid.
I don't think gov't has our interests in mind, either. Comcast is most likely responding to privacy threats and not acting out of any sense of benevolence...
Usually I don't have many gripes about the mod procedure or how people get modded, but this time I do...
The key word here is "option". I live in CO and we have the same option. I'm not opposed to it, I'm actually thinking about signing up. I'm already on the wind power thing, which given these last few days, XCel should have a bumper crop of THAT.
But what if this "feature" was included whether you wanted it or not? It would not be as popular...
Isn't that the beauty of the thing?
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There really ISN'T a heart of the net? It's a trap and a cacaphony? Hasn't it always been so?
AOL may be the "Net" for millions, but who cares? Those folks were never really a part of the internet community anyway. From when I first started surfing newsgroups and gopher (in 1993) the net was a cacaphony of ideas without a centralized or focused direction or power. Has that changed?
The industrialization of the net hasn't changed the "core" (if there is such a thing) of the Internet one bit! If anything, it's perpetuated what many corporations/people/organizations fear: Totally and completely open exchange of ideas, information, commerce, etc.. It's something the marketing folks can't quantify, the sales people can't estimate, the politicians can't control.
Amazon makes a profit, France has outlawed Nazi paraphenalia (mis-speelled like a champ), but has that really changed anything? The "media guerillas" haven't been slowed, much less stopped. IBM is pushing a FREE (as in beer) OS! MS calls it a virus. Some "geek" zine has a heated, flame-filled, yet also containing some pretty good posts, about a license change to something that doesn't fully work! The implications of this change may have very interesting consequences. It may define which open licenses are most effective and the fate of this project may determine how much control a certian company has over the PC in the future. It may look minor now, but what happens if Wine takes off? What if suddenly everyone can easily use software written for windows on Linux/BSD/*NIX? What then? OTOH, it may fail and fall flat, but isn't the journey the point?
Some of the most exciting developments are happening in the open, under no corporate guidance, on this wierd, wild and uncontrolled medium. People named Theo, Linus, Miguel and many others are making decisions which are at least as important as those being made by people named Lou and Larry.
Is the spirit of the Internet dead, changed, "corporatized"? I should think not. It has matured, but is hardly dead. If anything, it has hardened as many have watched, with resentment, as corporations, governments and others attempt to control and restrict that which they also seek to profit from. OTOH, we've also seen evidence of the potantial of this unrestricted exchange of ideas.
I think that what needs to be focused on isn't really the "purity of the FSF/free software", but which of the open licenses works.
The concept of open software and it's use with a corporate, or business, structure is new and many people/companies don't really know what to do with it. We don't know which license works best in a corporate environment. Is that the point? Maybe, maybe not. If Open Software is going to have widespread use and acceptance, it's THE point.
I don't want to speak for anyone else, but personally it would improve my life, both at work and home, if Open Software WAS a staple. I prefer Linux as both a workstation and personal PC OS. It would be helpful if mgmt wasn't resistant to it's use in the workplace and more of the "warm and fuzzy" apps (games, some of the streaming media kinda junk, blah, blah, blah) were available for Linux at home.
So from that standpoint, we need to see which of the Open licenses really works. Being able to establish a revenue model is key for Open Software to really get going in the business world. Right now that points to a BSD-style license.
Yeah, we may have MS "snitching" the BSD TCP/IP stack, but we also now have lote of APPLE users on a BSD-style OS! Who would have thought that was possible a few years ago? That's real progress and it's also bringing the benefits of Open Software to the masses. I'd think even RMS would support that, although he may choke on the BSD license.
On the flip side: IBM is pushing Linux, but how much of that is media/hype based? I'd think the BSD method of development is much more to IBMs liking, not too mention the license! Yet here they are...
Anyway, I wouldn't mind buying a copy of "wine" (or whatever it might be sold as) if I had greater confidence it would work properly and had better documentation. I've played with Wine, and I had some things working, but not everything I needed to make the effort worthwhile. I WAS frustrated with the lack of doc, which contrary to what some people say, I usually find plenty of with the Open Software I typically use (Apache, Tomcat, etc).
I'm NOT ragging on the folks who write Wine, they've done a great job, but I DO think that Wine would benefit from a BSD or LGPL style license.
W2K and WinXP are already as stable -- if not more stable -- than the current 2.4.x kernel series.
Care to back this up? I think not as there is really no basis for this comment. My experience has been the opposite. Although I've never used XP - and have no plans to do so.
Of course maybe you're a logged in troll and I'm talking to myself...
curunir has an excellent point. Java can run VERY fast with the run-time optimizations AND through using object reuse. By building an object store for each object you create and intend on re-using, you can drastically speed up your execution time.
Yeah, building such a store can be a slight pain in the ass, but where I've used it, the speed up is VERY noticable.
It seems as though the greatest overhead here (at least using the Sun JRE, which isn't the fastest anyway) is object creation and garbage collection.
I'm a big a fan as any of the old computer stuff, but I have to ask - what's the point here? How would an Amiga OS be useful in todays computing world? Do we have any new software for it? Is any looking to port any present software to it? (most likely candidates would be open sw packages, I'd think)
If not, then this really is just sort of an oddity. Off hand, I'd think that the AmigaOS would have some advantages in that:
It has to be small, even with 10 years of semi-active development, I would think that it would be pretty streamlined
It's VERY userfriendly from what I've been reading
It looks to have at least decent 3D support
Could this be an alternative to desktop for Linux? I'm sure it would be tough, but is it feasible to utilize the Linux kernel instead of QNX (I think it was)? I'm really asking here. I don't know much about kernel hacking as my job is at the application layer.
I also don't want to start any desktop wars. But as much as I like KDE and BlackBox (for VERY different reasons/purposes, obviously) it doesn't seem like they are as "user-friendly" (idiotproof?) as they should be. Perhaps Amiga/Linux could be an alternative desktop for Harry Homeowner. (although it seems as though some features would have to be unloaded as the Linux kernel supports those features).
Anyway, I thought I'd throw it out there and ask...
I debated whether or not to even respond to your post. Posting angry babbling rants doesn't do anything for your point
try to have some "free" (as in beer, I assume) alternatives implemented in hardware
- You mean like the Open Power PC motherboard standard put out by IBM?
In short, it seems that you think that these people should not be criticized for desiring compensation for their effort. Fine, I agree. But only if they are prividing value. Go back to the TCP/IP vs. SNA example. Was TCP/IP technically superior to SNA? No, but that's not the point.
TCP/IP provided the function required and an alternative to SNA which was deemed too costly. In the same way, an alternative to MPEG-4 will provide the same value and detract people and companies who want to MAKE MONEY FROM THE TECHNOLOGY.
Unless they come up with something truly unique where the implementation of that standard is critical to being competative, folks will likely look to something else.
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Not that I'm patting myself on the back for knowing this, I had to consult the dictionary first!
No file associations with java.
Windows needs to be able to associate the file type (.class) with the JRE.Last I checked such as association doesn't exist on my computer. I think the only way it could be done is if they send an HTML page with an embedded applet. Then you have to deal with the security manager. Plus there are multiple files to send...
H3ll, I'll just write a .shs file instead!
The interface they use is simplistic, but I'd think you could use others
So after I recieve my 100 spam-crap limit, I get to pay $.05 US for EACH MESSAGE thereafter. That's enough to send me into a store screaming...
If MS came out after this "viral" license I think that IBM and others who have strongly supported Linux (and hence, the GPL) would make that a costly proposition. Regardless of what IBM may think about the GPL, having the legal foundation of your marketing brain-child ripped out from under you is not a pleasant proposition. Plus, would people continue to develop code for Linux w/o the GPL? Another reason for IBM (and others) to step in.
Additionally, potential gov't actions - not just the US gov't, but also European governments who take a dim view of MS - may also be a deterrent to MS trying that little strategy. Even so, I wouldn't put it past MS to try...
Yet here I am with "World's Largest Casino" and "X10" ads (man, I hope those jerks go out of business). Do they actually DO anything with that "Big Brother" data? On my linux box, I use Mozilla .98 and block the SOBs anyway, but IE version whatever happily accepts every cookie thrown at it. I'd think they could do better with the data they collect.
Am I wrong here?
Hell, I'm unemployed
At that point, they started paying more attention. The same will probably happen here, once legit users start getting screwed, they'll complain to China Telecom (or whomever) and get the problem taken care of.
Irritating good customers is not worth looking the other way so some small-time scammers can get away with nonsense. Hopefully, this will be the case...
- go to www.bstore.hp.com
- do a search on x1000
- scroll down to the first computer (for some reason, the first few matches are accessories) and click on it
Actually, the amount of ram is the same, but the Linux machine is ~$50 more expensive. Looks like the MS-tax is still in place.Heck as a two-year Linux "veteran" ( Yes, I hear that bunch of you laughing, now keep quiet! ;) ) I think I would have a hard time with a standard load from another company. I've gone from RH to Mandrake and now am using Slack as my Linux machine. It would be hard for me to get away from the "roll-your own" mentality...
I suppose the point is that I would have much use for such a machine except that the MS-tax would be absent. I'm not knocking HP, I think they make very nice machines and I applaud their actions.
Is there anything about this particular machine which sets it apart from other Linux loads?
Even then, I'm not sure Linux is for the average person, another poster (on another story) made the best comment I've heard yet:
- Linux is a UNIX alternative, not a Windows alternative
A *nix-type OS requires a competent user. I'm truly uncomfortable turning this over to the average person. Granted, Apple has done a nice job with OS X. Therefore, I suppose it can be done, but the OSS way probably won't work.Time will tell. I DO wish that Apple would come put with an Intel-version of OSX...
I prefer Mr Daffy Duck with an e-mail address of:
Joe@qwest.com
Jar-Jar, the race scene and an 8-year-old destoying the bad-guys ship at the end was almost more than I could take.
Digital Effects != a good movie. Star Wars (A New Hope) was great because is was sci-fi and had a great story. The fighter scene may have been good for it's time, but don't tell me it's what made the movie great.
They first three (Ewoks aside) were clever original and had fantastic plots. The good guys DIDN'T always win, there was great adversity faced in what was seen as a losing struggle. I could go on...
sigh... Maybe I'm just grumpy.
Java is NOT slow, Java code can run very quickly, especially if written properly, just like most other languages. It may not be as fast as optimized C++ code, but it's not slow, either.
Java ISN'T perfect, but you're beating on points that are simply wrong. You should probably learn about what you're talking about before you post. Write that one down.
I see the biggest issue being that Sun essentially has a choke hold on Java, particularly J2EE. Improvments and updates are unlikely to come as quickly as they would if Java were more open.
For just playing around, or if you're using one of those "new-fangled" IDEs, then you can get away with avoiding classpath. But, if you're ever going to start deploying those apps to anything but your computer you have to know how this stuff works
Of course! MS BROUGHT PCs to the masses! People like my father, who really struggles with computers, now has full access to the amazing power of the internet through Microsoft and Bill Gates!
As a fellow computer professional, I appreciate MS as well. Thanks to Microsoft and their powerfull, yet easy-to-use and highly integrated software I can get much more done in a shorter period of time! Thanks to this, I no longer have to spend hours at work in front of the computer!
Instead I get to go down to fathers house and clean 58 viruses from his computer in a "quick and efficient" manner. H3ll, it only took me 4 hours! (and yes, he DOES have a subscription to McAfee, one of those clever little buggers disabled it).
When whoever has the reality stick is done with it, pass it over here. I'm going to go "Barry Bonds" on this Salon.com guy for a few hours. I was laughing until I realized he was serious.
I'm glad I use Linux...
I don't think gov't has our interests in mind, either. Comcast is most likely responding to privacy threats and not acting out of any sense of benevolence...
Usually I don't have many gripes about the mod procedure or how people get modded, but this time I do...
But what if this "feature" was included whether you wanted it or not? It would not be as popular...
AOL may be the "Net" for millions, but who cares? Those folks were never really a part of the internet community anyway. From when I first started surfing newsgroups and gopher (in 1993) the net was a cacaphony of ideas without a centralized or focused direction or power. Has that changed?
The industrialization of the net hasn't changed the "core" (if there is such a thing) of the Internet one bit! If anything, it's perpetuated what many corporations/people/organizations fear: Totally and completely open exchange of ideas, information, commerce, etc.. It's something the marketing folks can't quantify, the sales people can't estimate, the politicians can't control.
Amazon makes a profit, France has outlawed Nazi paraphenalia (mis-speelled like a champ), but has that really changed anything? The "media guerillas" haven't been slowed, much less stopped. IBM is pushing a FREE (as in beer) OS! MS calls it a virus. Some "geek" zine has a heated, flame-filled, yet also containing some pretty good posts, about a license change to something that doesn't fully work! The implications of this change may have very interesting consequences. It may define which open licenses are most effective and the fate of this project may determine how much control a certian company has over the PC in the future. It may look minor now, but what happens if Wine takes off? What if suddenly everyone can easily use software written for windows on Linux/BSD/*NIX? What then? OTOH, it may fail and fall flat, but isn't the journey the point?
Some of the most exciting developments are happening in the open, under no corporate guidance, on this wierd, wild and uncontrolled medium. People named Theo, Linus, Miguel and many others are making decisions which are at least as important as those being made by people named Lou and Larry.
Is the spirit of the Internet dead, changed, "corporatized"? I should think not. It has matured, but is hardly dead. If anything, it has hardened as many have watched, with resentment, as corporations, governments and others attempt to control and restrict that which they also seek to profit from. OTOH, we've also seen evidence of the potantial of this unrestricted exchange of ideas.
The concept of open software and it's use with a corporate, or business, structure is new and many people/companies don't really know what to do with it. We don't know which license works best in a corporate environment. Is that the point? Maybe, maybe not. If Open Software is going to have widespread use and acceptance, it's THE point.
I don't want to speak for anyone else, but personally it would improve my life, both at work and home, if Open Software WAS a staple. I prefer Linux as both a workstation and personal PC OS. It would be helpful if mgmt wasn't resistant to it's use in the workplace and more of the "warm and fuzzy" apps (games, some of the streaming media kinda junk, blah, blah, blah) were available for Linux at home.
So from that standpoint, we need to see which of the Open licenses really works. Being able to establish a revenue model is key for Open Software to really get going in the business world. Right now that points to a BSD-style license.
Yeah, we may have MS "snitching" the BSD TCP/IP stack, but we also now have lote of APPLE users on a BSD-style OS! Who would have thought that was possible a few years ago? That's real progress and it's also bringing the benefits of Open Software to the masses. I'd think even RMS would support that, although he may choke on the BSD license.
On the flip side: IBM is pushing Linux, but how much of that is media/hype based? I'd think the BSD method of development is much more to IBMs liking, not too mention the license! Yet here they are...
Anyway, I wouldn't mind buying a copy of "wine" (or whatever it might be sold as) if I had greater confidence it would work properly and had better documentation. I've played with Wine, and I had some things working, but not everything I needed to make the effort worthwhile. I WAS frustrated with the lack of doc, which contrary to what some people say, I usually find plenty of with the Open Software I typically use (Apache, Tomcat, etc).
I'm NOT ragging on the folks who write Wine, they've done a great job, but I DO think that Wine would benefit from a BSD or LGPL style license.
If anyone cares...
Care to back this up? I think not as there is really no basis for this comment. My experience has been the opposite. Although I've never used XP - and have no plans to do so.
Of course maybe you're a logged in troll and I'm talking to myself...
Yeah, building such a store can be a slight pain in the ass, but where I've used it, the speed up is VERY noticable.
It seems as though the greatest overhead here (at least using the Sun JRE, which isn't the fastest anyway) is object creation and garbage collection.
If not, then this really is just sort of an oddity. Off hand, I'd think that the AmigaOS would have some advantages in that:
Could this be an alternative to desktop for Linux? I'm sure it would be tough, but is it feasible to utilize the Linux kernel instead of QNX (I think it was)? I'm really asking here. I don't know much about kernel hacking as my job is at the application layer.
I also don't want to start any desktop wars. But as much as I like KDE and BlackBox (for VERY different reasons/purposes, obviously) it doesn't seem like they are as "user-friendly" (idiotproof?) as they should be. Perhaps Amiga/Linux could be an alternative desktop for Harry Homeowner. (although it seems as though some features would have to be unloaded as the Linux kernel supports those features).
Anyway, I thought I'd throw it out there and ask...
In short, it seems that you think that these people should not be criticized for desiring compensation for their effort. Fine, I agree. But only if they are prividing value. Go back to the TCP/IP vs. SNA example. Was TCP/IP technically superior to SNA? No, but that's not the point.
TCP/IP provided the function required and an alternative to SNA which was deemed too costly. In the same way, an alternative to MPEG-4 will provide the same value and detract people and companies who want to MAKE MONEY FROM THE TECHNOLOGY.
Unless they come up with something truly unique where the implementation of that standard is critical to being competative, folks will likely look to something else.
That's what they, and apparently you, don't get.