Here's a news flash for all of those insightfull posters out there that think child pornographers will "only look at the pictures". There have multiple studies that have shown the opposite.
After interviewing individuals arrested for possession of such material (and nothing else), it was found that over %80 of those say they would eventually try something with a child. I read this in The Denver Post about 1 1/2 ago. The article sighted several studies that said essentially the same thing. They interviewed a couple of people in Denver who had been arrested for possestion of such garbage. Guess what? They agreed that eventually they would have pursued children physically.
People are talking about protecting children. Well, the first step is getting rid of child porn. Without the visual stimuli, the "abusers" are less likely to try something with a child. (also from the study) This is why many of those arrested are forbidden from using the Internet. It removes a stimulus and hence, reduces temptation.
From what I've seen of the anti-GPL rhetoric that has come out of MSFT, they are primarily against Richard Stallman's political agenda that comes with the GPL
How about the comment about GPL being viral? BSD allows for copy and paste. If MS can't do that, then the license sucks, right?
Since the GPL makes it near impossible for an entity to simply produce and sell software as its core business
Yeah, you may have heard of a little company called Red Hat? How about Mandrake? SuSE? All making money selling OSS - read PROFITABLE.
Next, for the billionth time: RMS != OSS. And I have yet to hear ANYTHING from MS against RMS, they ignore him. But I don't blame you for trying to detract from the main point of the posts here. Other than detracting from the central topic, your post has little going for it...
If you don't like/., then why come back? You come in, write some nonsense like this, bitch about/. and the readers and leave. Your sound/look like an id10t and aren't earning respect. If anything your mod points reflect a lack of common sense on the part of the mods...
. And.NET delivers on all the promises that Sun had made of Java.
Oh BULLSH!T. How about enterprise services like J2EE / EJB? How about JDBC? How about JNDI? How about XML specs (JAXM and JAX-RPC)? How about Micro Edition? JMS? MS doesn't even have a decent messaging service in.NET!
This is absurd beyond description. MS offers NONE of these and they've "beaten" Java? I think not.
I hate to be the little boy who cries "TROLLLLL!", but there's a slew of either trolls or very stupid people posting on this immediate thread...
But what happens with the whole PowerPC vs. SPARC debate? What happens when the AMD 64-bit chips start comparing with SPARCs and PowerPC on performance? IBM will have multiple chip lines (2) which serve essentially the same purpose - which is unnecessary overhead. All this while a third-party is producing chips which one day may rival both SPARC and PowerPC performance-wise.
I think you have some good points, but I see IBM getting into a situation where they are supporting even more HW platforms b/c they bought a s/w platform/language. They'd have Netfinity, AS/400, RS/6000, ES/9000 (is this still around?), and OS/390 as well as adding the Sun line.
Sounds like a situation only IBM could get into. I think they're better off leaving Sun alone and focusing on Linux on their own servers. IMHO.
Yes, broadband is cool and all, but in all reality, the days of offering unlimited bandwidth in the days of mp3s and dvd-quality rips floating are just about over
Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until WE say it is! Did the US quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Germans? - Forget it, he's rolling... Hell no! And we're not going to quit either! Who's with me?!?
In all seriousness, this pricing plan won't / can't last. Eventually (when we're in a Nursing Home perhaps...) the broadband providers will be providing "enough" bandwidth. Then customers will have the option between DSL - cable - satellite - whatever comes next. Then we have this neat thing called "competition". That's what the telcos want to do in other peoples areas but don't want in their own. At that point, these Time Warner type pricing plans will lose appeal...
Look at long distance. We have had steady price decreases for several years and now we have companies (AT&T) offering unlimited long distance within their network.
Sure, there are examples of broadband providers specifically NOT impeding on one anothers territory. But this will eventually end as providers build out their networks...
Not wanting to be picky, but isn't the Tattered Cover with the restaurant in Cherry CReek (the name of the restaurant being The Fourth Story?).
I think that's what you meant. There;s LoDo and Cherry Creek. Both are quite nice, but Creek is bigger and has the restaurant
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Pardon my saying so, but whoop-dee-do. "Isn't that bad" counts for exactly zero.
Win version whatever doesn't scale nor does it use resources efficiently. The resources needed for an XP desktop can make a small Linux dev server. Reliability with Windows is hit-or-miss at best. I've had NT4 an box stay up for weeks and several others (NT4 and 2K) with limited lifespans to say the least.
If this is where they are for a "first try OS" then they need to start over. I'm quite serious, there is no excuse for the waste present in the most recent versions of windows...
OK, IMHO (since this could likely become a discussion), there is no real advantage of switching from Red Hat to Mandrake. I think Mandrake does have a better installer and may be a little more polished. I use Mandrake as a worstation and Slackware as a server.
I think that both Mandrake and RedHat install WAY to much crap, although they do have a great desktop environment - hence my use of it on the desktop. The other issue is that Red at and hence Mandrake use (or least used to use) non-standard c libraries. I ran into very few problems, but the problems I DID run into were a real hassle.
What is a good "power distro" that features the advantages of Red Hat or Mandrake's distros?
The problem with this statement is that these advantages are looked upon as hinderances by those who use "power" distros (like Slackware). The "helpers" and "wizards" mean that as a user one don't fully understand how stuff (technical lingo here) works. If you're installing and configuring sw yourself then you have a better understanding of how the sw works and can better troubleshoot when issues arise.
NO, NO, NO. Your analogy isn't even close. You're comparing apples and oranges. An accurate comparison to the windows debacle would be if javax.servlet.* and java.lang.String were "integrated". There's no rhyme or reason for it.
In the same way, there is no reason for MS components, DLLs (or whatever) to combine function like they do. There is no reason for IE functionality to be existant in OS components. Combining fucntion in that manner is not consistent with good programming practice.
The fact that people HAVE removed these "critical" IE components and the OS still works which COMPLETELY refutes this statement:
It's all the component REUSE that causes windows depend on stuff like IE
And...
You can't remove IE from windows, but you could replace it.
What are you talking about? People have DONE it!
You guys all think you're great software engineers but can't seem to understand that!
Are you serious? How about Object Oriented computing? How about J2EE? How about XML? How about language interoperability (through either CORBA or gasp.NET)?
Granted, this is specific to programming, but these are definately new ideas. Yeah, I've heard from the old timers that OO is maps somehow to Functions Points in COBOL, but only from the 50,000+ level. Even then, OO introduces a number of completely new concepts.
That being said, I think *nix is ased on a very solid design which still works very, very well. The concepts are solid and don't really need changing. So from that standpoint, I see what you're saying. But good grief, to say there are no new ideas in computing??? That's a bit far...
I doubt an ISP catering to the "technically competent" is longed for this world. Just think of how much you're limiting your potential user base!
The answer, IMHO, is fairly simple. Install what is needed to get Joe 6-Pack on the net including e-mail and a browser. If you're "pro-active" one MAY even use an e-mail client that isn't vulnerable to certian unmentionable, undesirable "viruses" that commonly hit the average idiot.
Don't REQUIRE these packages though, you'll end up pissing off the technically competent people who don't want to be saddled with such non-sense. Spyware, that's bad too.
Qwest.net (if you've not been assimilated) is pretty good about that. I am required to install NOTHING. And when I call tech support, I actually talk to someone who's competent. I'm not making this up and I don't work for Qwest, it's quite rare among the ISPs I've used in the past.
What's that MSN tech support anyway? One of my friends unlucky enough to not escape assimilation told me that it was only an e-mail address.
I actually trusted them and had my real (isp) e-mail listed in there as well, as a backup address. It's been perfectly clean for over 1.5 years, within the last few weeks I've started getting that "Diploma over e-mail" crap and was wondering what low life gave it out.
Well, lookie, lookie at what low-life I found... I used to actually try to use some Yahoo! services to help them out (shopping, buying more e-mail space) because I liked their service. No more...
I have personally seen a group of 6 Win2k machines run computations at near 100% processor time for 3 days. No problem
Three WHOLE days? That's _3_ DAYS?!? That's what you guys don't get, *nix systems are expected to that for weeks/months.
Personally, I think you're full of it. The only times I've seen a win machine with a pegged processor for extended periods of time it's when that fine example of OS genius has wrapped itself around the axle. Sure the processor was pegged, but throughput was nil. How do you know your 6 machines were doing anything worthwhile?
to anyone else that Mozilla development continues to gain momentum? Granted - I'm biased. But as a Mozilla user I'm very pleased at what's coming out of there.
Let's not forget how far they've come. It wasn't so long ago that the browser was slow as h3ll and rough.
Anyone think that AOL may have known this release was coming with a 1.0 release soon in the future (hopefully)? Or is this a dumb question? It is kind of interesting, a true OSS implementation in a product which is most customized to the "Joe six-pack" user.
Next thing you know we'll have Linux pre-installed at Best Buy...
Why is this "ripping off an innovative idea"?.NET was proposed as an open technology. Why shouldn't there be an OSS version? As far as re-ripping, I assume you're refering to.net providing basically very similar services to J2EE. Well, that's true from a very fundamental standpoint. But the implementation is significantly different.
I'm a java programmer myself I appreciate many of the intracacies on the language. I do have issues with how Sun (and the Java Community Process) does things. How about that garbage about Sun not certifying any OSS EJB containers? Providing a little heat from an alternative technology may just shake things up a bit. Further, opening up platform independence at the language level for enterprise apps makes sense, IMHO. I'm not jumping to.net by any means, although I AM watching with a very keen interest.
To compete in an industry you must either provide what your competitors do, or provide something better.
Fine, but you have to start _somewhere_. Mono started VERY far behind MS in developing a.net solution. Yet here they are making progress. Quite frankly I see no reason why Mono couldn't surpass MS in functionality, performance and platform compatibility.
While I thoroughly enjoy beating on MS,.net is very innovative. The problem with MS (tech wise) is that the implementation of these great ideas seems to be lacking.
What are you talking about?!? Have you actually taken the time to read the comments posted here? It doesn't seem so. I can count on one hand the number of posts I have seen supporting/defending the actions taken by AOL/Netscape.
If Microsoft does it, all hell is raised.
People aren't doing that here? There may be a few dissenters - VERY few...
Yes, this site is biased towards OSS. It's (gasp) TRUE! But remember, MS-haters are not born, they're made. I used to HATE *nix, hate-hate-hate. Now Linux is my preferred system (Slackware 8). MS over a period of time drove me nuts.
They did it through the exact same sleazy practices we see here by AOL/Netscape. OSS is supposed to be above this. The biggest difference I see is this:
When there's a bug, the OSS world it posts for all to see and deals with it, clsoed source tries to bury it until patched or people forget
OSS products, since they are "by the people and for the people", shouldn't have garbage like this. Such tactics are reserved for the likes of the Company That Shall Not Be Named
OSS is held to a higher standard, and in general, meets it. Sure there are bugs and security lapses. The point isn't are they there, it's are they dealt with and known to people instead of sweeping them under the rug. With OSS I have a mugh higher degree of confidence that something is secure because people are digging through the code looking. With closed source... Probably, maybe, unlikely? Who knows? Heck, many of the OSS security alerts are found going through code and never have an implmentation!
Is there bias? Yes. Tolerance for this kind of garbage? No.
Let me give you a little hint. Having a sig like that on slashdot is like swimming in a shark tank with an open wound.
Maybe it's meant in jest, and I'm just slow this morning. But if not, you have an instant label:
MS flunkie
MS employee
After reading some of your other posts, I know MY opinion. Further, it wouldn't suprise me if MS DID come out with a blanket license for every library they could forbidding OSS use. It would not be out of character.
I agree for your own Senators. I was VERY cordial when I wrote Campbell and Allard from CO. I told them what I thought, urged them to vote AGAINST the SSSCA in no uncertian terms.
Further, as a Republican (and both of them are the same), I told them in no uncertian terms that I would NEVER vote for either again. The Allard race is expected to be very tight. I hope my letters were not ignored.
Now for the letter I sent to Hollings, on the other hand...
Great, we have Bush blinding supporting oil on in this cornerand in the other corner ( enter your favorite democrat ) supporting the SSSCA and slamming personal freedoms.
I'm voting Natural Law or Green. Someone else said it perfectly, we have to vote these idiots OUT!
modded as flamebait? I think it's a legitimate comment. MS now has the ability to exert power over BIOS and motherboard manufacturers? That's some serious influence!
The other side of it is that it causes issues with BSD, a non-GPL OS. One of the OSs MS actually shows some support for. Why does THIS make sense?
Further, I think it may demonstate a more insidious strategy for MS. The HW is configured in such a way that alternative OSs cannot use it. That's bad, that's very very bad. This could SEVERELY limit where Linux/BSD can be used.
OTOH, companies like IBM and other motherboard manf may come out with Linux-only lines and find a nice little niche market there...
No, that's not a valid inferrence, I don't think it takes much thought to figure that out. That rating is in support of the current President and his activities. Clinton had a very high approval rating as well although I don't think many people thought he should have lied to a Grand Jury. In the same way, I support Bush and think he's doing a great job, although I don't think expanding drilling in Alaska is particularly productive. The list goes on...
One can be supportive of a person or group without writing a blank check of support. Can you say that you support your OWN government without supporting everything it does?
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After interviewing individuals arrested for possession of such material (and nothing else), it was found that over %80 of those say they would eventually try something with a child. I read this in The Denver Post about 1 1/2 ago. The article sighted several studies that said essentially the same thing. They interviewed a couple of people in Denver who had been arrested for possestion of such garbage. Guess what? They agreed that eventually they would have pursued children physically.
People are talking about protecting children. Well, the first step is getting rid of child porn. Without the visual stimuli, the "abusers" are less likely to try something with a child. (also from the study) This is why many of those arrested are forbidden from using the Internet. It removes a stimulus and hence, reduces temptation.
From what I've seen of the anti-GPL rhetoric that has come out of MSFT, they are primarily against Richard Stallman's political agenda that comes with the GPL
How about the comment about GPL being viral? BSD allows for copy and paste. If MS can't do that, then the license sucks, right?
Since the GPL makes it near impossible for an entity to simply produce and sell software as its core business
Yeah, you may have heard of a little company called Red Hat? How about Mandrake? SuSE? All making money selling OSS - read PROFITABLE.
Next, for the billionth time: RMS != OSS. And I have yet to hear ANYTHING from MS against RMS, they ignore him. But I don't blame you for trying to detract from the main point of the posts here. Other than detracting from the central topic, your post has little going for it...
If you don't like /., then why come back? You come in, write some nonsense like this, bitch about /. and the readers and leave. Your sound/look like an id10t and aren't earning respect. If anything your mod points reflect a lack of common sense on the part of the mods...
This is absurd beyond description. MS offers NONE of these and they've "beaten" Java? I think not.
I hate to be the little boy who cries "TROLLLLL!", but there's a slew of either trolls or very stupid people posting on this immediate thread...
I think you have some good points, but I see IBM getting into a situation where they are supporting even more HW platforms b/c they bought a s/w platform/language. They'd have Netfinity, AS/400, RS/6000, ES/9000 (is this still around?), and OS/390 as well as adding the Sun line.
Sounds like a situation only IBM could get into. I think they're better off leaving Sun alone and focusing on Linux on their own servers. IMHO.
In all seriousness, this pricing plan won't / can't last. Eventually (when we're in a Nursing Home perhaps...) the broadband providers will be providing "enough" bandwidth. Then customers will have the option between DSL - cable - satellite - whatever comes next. Then we have this neat thing called "competition". That's what the telcos want to do in other peoples areas but don't want in their own. At that point, these Time Warner type pricing plans will lose appeal...
Look at long distance. We have had steady price decreases for several years and now we have companies (AT&T) offering unlimited long distance within their network.
Sure, there are examples of broadband providers specifically NOT impeding on one anothers territory. But this will eventually end as providers build out their networks...
I think that's what you meant. There;s LoDo and Cherry Creek. Both are quite nice, but Creek is bigger and has the restaurant
Win version whatever doesn't scale nor does it use resources efficiently. The resources needed for an XP desktop can make a small Linux dev server. Reliability with Windows is hit-or-miss at best. I've had NT4 an box stay up for weeks and several others (NT4 and 2K) with limited lifespans to say the least.
If this is where they are for a "first try OS" then they need to start over. I'm quite serious, there is no excuse for the waste present in the most recent versions of windows...
I think that both Mandrake and RedHat install WAY to much crap, although they do have a great desktop environment - hence my use of it on the desktop. The other issue is that Red at and hence Mandrake use (or least used to use) non-standard c libraries. I ran into very few problems, but the problems I DID run into were a real hassle.
What is a good "power distro" that features the advantages of Red Hat or Mandrake's distros?
The problem with this statement is that these advantages are looked upon as hinderances by those who use "power" distros (like Slackware). The "helpers" and "wizards" mean that as a user one don't fully understand how stuff (technical lingo here) works. If you're installing and configuring sw yourself then you have a better understanding of how the sw works and can better troubleshoot when issues arise.
Just MHO, of course...
In the same way, there is no reason for MS components, DLLs (or whatever) to combine function like they do. There is no reason for IE functionality to be existant in OS components. Combining fucntion in that manner is not consistent with good programming practice.
The fact that people HAVE removed these "critical" IE components and the OS still works which COMPLETELY refutes this statement:
And...
What are you talking about? People have DONE it!
Pffft. Whatever
Granted, this is specific to programming, but these are definately new ideas. Yeah, I've heard from the old timers that OO is maps somehow to Functions Points in COBOL, but only from the 50,000+ level. Even then, OO introduces a number of completely new concepts.
That being said, I think *nix is ased on a very solid design which still works very, very well. The concepts are solid and don't really need changing. So from that standpoint, I see what you're saying. But good grief, to say there are no new ideas in computing??? That's a bit far...
The answer, IMHO, is fairly simple. Install what is needed to get Joe 6-Pack on the net including e-mail and a browser. If you're "pro-active" one MAY even use an e-mail client that isn't vulnerable to certian unmentionable, undesirable "viruses" that commonly hit the average idiot.
Don't REQUIRE these packages though, you'll end up pissing off the technically competent people who don't want to be saddled with such non-sense. Spyware, that's bad too.
Qwest.net (if you've not been assimilated) is pretty good about that. I am required to install NOTHING. And when I call tech support, I actually talk to someone who's competent. I'm not making this up and I don't work for Qwest, it's quite rare among the ISPs I've used in the past.
What's that MSN tech support anyway? One of my friends unlucky enough to not escape assimilation told me that it was only an e-mail address.
Think about that one for a sec...
I've "updated" my info and I don't suspect I'll be recieving any more garbage - aside from what I'm already getting (which I can filter)...
Don't make stupid statements, and you won't get these responses.
Ignornace and bias, indeed! Go back to Oz...
Well, lookie, lookie at what low-life I found... I used to actually try to use some Yahoo! services to help them out (shopping, buying more e-mail space) because I liked their service. No more...
Three WHOLE days? That's _3_ DAYS?!? That's what you guys don't get, *nix systems are expected to that for weeks/months.
Personally, I think you're full of it. The only times I've seen a win machine with a pegged processor for extended periods of time it's when that fine example of OS genius has wrapped itself around the axle. Sure the processor was pegged, but throughput was nil. How do you know your 6 machines were doing anything worthwhile?
Let's not forget how far they've come. It wasn't so long ago that the browser was slow as h3ll and rough.
Anyone think that AOL may have known this release was coming with a 1.0 release soon in the future (hopefully)? Or is this a dumb question? It is kind of interesting, a true OSS implementation in a product which is most customized to the "Joe six-pack" user.
Next thing you know we'll have Linux pre-installed at Best Buy...
I'm a java programmer myself I appreciate many of the intracacies on the language. I do have issues with how Sun (and the Java Community Process) does things. How about that garbage about Sun not certifying any OSS EJB containers? Providing a little heat from an alternative technology may just shake things up a bit. Further, opening up platform independence at the language level for enterprise apps makes sense, IMHO. I'm not jumping to .net by any means, although I AM watching with a very keen interest.
Fine, but you have to start _somewhere_. Mono started VERY far behind MS in developing aWhile I thoroughly enjoy beating on MS, .net is very innovative. The problem with MS (tech wise) is that the implementation of these great ideas seems to be lacking.
Just MHO, of course...
Yes, this site is biased towards OSS. It's (gasp) TRUE! But remember, MS-haters are not born, they're made. I used to HATE *nix, hate-hate-hate. Now Linux is my preferred system (Slackware 8). MS over a period of time drove me nuts.
They did it through the exact same sleazy practices we see here by AOL/Netscape. OSS is supposed to be above this. The biggest difference I see is this:
- When there's a bug, the OSS world it posts for all to see and deals with it, clsoed source tries to bury it until patched or people forget
- OSS products, since they are "by the people and for the people", shouldn't have garbage like this. Such tactics are reserved for the likes of the Company That Shall Not Be Named
OSS is held to a higher standard, and in general, meets it. Sure there are bugs and security lapses. The point isn't are they there, it's are they dealt with and known to people instead of sweeping them under the rug. With OSS I have a mugh higher degree of confidence that something is secure because people are digging through the code looking. With closed source... Probably, maybe, unlikely? Who knows? Heck, many of the OSS security alerts are found going through code and never have an implmentation!Is there bias? Yes. Tolerance for this kind of garbage? No.
they didn't make the same mistake with the natives and call them "Indians"...
Maybe it's meant in jest, and I'm just slow this morning. But if not, you have an instant label:
- MS flunkie
- MS employee
After reading some of your other posts, I know MY opinion. Further, it wouldn't suprise me if MS DID come out with a blanket license for every library they could forbidding OSS use. It would not be out of character.Further, as a Republican (and both of them are the same), I told them in no uncertian terms that I would NEVER vote for either again. The Allard race is expected to be very tight. I hope my letters were not ignored.
Now for the letter I sent to Hollings, on the other hand...
I'm voting Natural Law or Green. Someone else said it perfectly, we have to vote these idiots OUT!
The other side of it is that it causes issues with BSD, a non-GPL OS. One of the OSs MS actually shows some support for. Why does THIS make sense?
Further, I think it may demonstate a more insidious strategy for MS. The HW is configured in such a way that alternative OSs cannot use it. That's bad, that's very very bad. This could SEVERELY limit where Linux/BSD can be used.
OTOH, companies like IBM and other motherboard manf may come out with Linux-only lines and find a nice little niche market there...
One can be supportive of a person or group without writing a blank check of support. Can you say that you support your OWN government without supporting everything it does?
I'll bet you can