I said he's schizophrenic because both of his reactions are irrationally extreme - first he says to apprehend the person responsible, then turns around and wants to/hire/ him? I mean, I admire his passion *rolls eyes* but come on man, *think*.
Rep. Markey put out a press release today urging that the kid not get arrested, but hired by the TSA ?!? :
"On Friday I urged the Bush Administration to 'apprehend' and shut down whoever had created a new website that enabled person without a plane ticket to easily fake a boarding pass and use it to clear security, gain access to the boarding area and potentially to the cabin of a passenger plane. Subsequently I learned that the person responsible was a student at Indiana University, Christopher Soghoian, who intended no harm but, rather, intended to provide a public service by warning that this long-standing loophole could be easily exploited. The website has now apparently been shut down." ... "He picked a lousy way of doing it, but he should not go to jail for his bad judgment. Better yet, the Department of Homeland Security should put him to work showing public officials how easily our security can be compromised."
So to recap: No its not the same, no I didn't demonize Americans, and if you'd read what I'd said, you would know that it was my daughter who got scanned, so pulling me on my source was either stupidity or something worse? RTFP
No need to call anyone stupid.
You're confusing me here. Of course I knew it was your daughter, that is why I said this: "You'd prefer we tail your 5 year old on video every where she goes?". I was asking you for a source, other than your post (or your wife - they are the same to me), that the U.S. demands retina scans of every child entering the country. The only thing I can find are some pilot voluntary programs meant to speed up the entry process by using biometrics.
Yes, "retina scan" sounds quite scary doesn't it. It's just a picture of your eyes though. Like the omnipresent cameras in the U.K., except you see it coming, and then it is done. You'd prefer we tail your 5 year old on video every where she goes? Six one way half dozen the other from where I sit.
Please don't demonize an entire nation over your travel inconveniences. I go back and forth between the U.K and the U.S. quite often, and so do my U.K. counterparts. It sucks both directions, trust me.
P.S.
I've never heard of this retina scan business. Can you point to a source that talks about it?
At the moment, if Saudi-Arabia, Venezuela, Russia ++ decided to oil-embargo the US, and Norway had a vote to decide if we wanted to join, I would actually vote *FOR IT*. The more I learn about politics and recent norwegian relations with the US the sicker I get of it.
You think the grass is greener politically with those countries? Alright, but remember, you reap what you sow.
Personally, I prefer to have my code self commented. Meaningful variable names, no "smart arse" tricks, good clear layout. If you have to explain what a function is to do, it has not been coded very well.
Yeah but your function doesn't live in a vacuum does it? How about you write some lines up there at the top to put it in context for when I have to fix it next year.
Bravo. The guy's point in the first place wasn't that his was the more correct analogy, but that analogies like that are stupid and worthless. You go on to prove his point by providing yet another.
Hell no! Many rights and freedoms guaranteed by law cannot be contracted away! You can't sell yourself into slavery, for instance
Fucking duh. I didn't say you can contract away any freedom. You can contract away your freedom to do certain jobs (NDA's) or even to talk about certain things. Just as you've pointed out that you can weasle your way out of contractual obligations, you should also know that doesn't mean that you can get out of *all* of them.
But it is not within the authority of the Uni to interfere with our use of it.
Sure it is. You sign a contract when you rent from them, the contract has all kinds of stipulations, like how much noise you can make, how many people can visit, what time you'll be in on wednesday, and even maybe something about having a wifi hotspot. College freshmen seem to think that they are still under 18 and impervious the constraints of contract law. I still think it's a PR blunder, but well within the school's right to ask this of their tennants, and apparently I'm in good company because the school's attorneys seem to agree with me.
I read the article. The fact that the FCC regulates something does not give you any right to it. In my parents neighborhood, you can't have a ham radio antenna or a satellite dish visible - these things are regulated by the FCC, yet the neighborhood association can limit their use, hmmm. You can contract away all kinds of freedoms, in this case you're signing a contract (rental agreement) that binds you to all sorts of nasty things, such as limiting your noise, what time you come in at night, etc. To arue that you somehow have some "fundamental right" to a wife hotspot but not these other things is just plain silly.
Nice try. No you can not exercise your right to have a cat in your room...why? Because there is no regulatory body stating that you HAVE a right to a cat in your dorm. Sounds like you still didn't find the link. I think you can set your browser to underline them for you.
I'm baffled as to why you seem to think that FCC regulations bestow extra rights onto you. You do realize that the FCC also regulates things like toaster ovens and hotplates don't you? Can you have them in your dorm room? The fact that there is a "regulatory body" doesn't give you jack in this instance, certainly not anything approaching a "fundamental right".
According to the FCC you do have a fundamental right to install WiFi routers wherever you see fit. There was a link to that specific bit of info cleverly hidden in plain view in the article.
Really. Can you excercise your "fundamental right" to have a cat in the dorm? Can you excercise your "fundamental right" to have a toaster oven? To burn candles?
Still think the university has no say over what you have in your dorm?
This may be a PR bungle, but the school certainly has the right to make this a requirement of living in the dorms, just like the students have the right not to live there.
If you leave your door open and play music real loud , I can sit on the curb and listen to it. You can't tell me to leave because I'm hearing your music. You can't charge me a fee because your music is spilling out on to the public street.
Cute analogy, except that bandwidth is consumed and there is a finite quantity of it. Just 'cause they're not using it doesn't mean it's yours for the taking.
Yes and no. The lifestyle in Toronto is superior to that of India.
First off, you're comparing a city to an entire country, which is like saying Miami is superior to the Moon. Second, if you insist on using words like "superior" when comparing two places, at least qualify it. "The basketball scene in Toronto is superior to that of Bangalore", otherwise people will think you're some kind of nationalist fool.
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If one end of the transaction is in the US, they can be sued in the US.
best post ever
I said he's schizophrenic because both of his reactions are irrationally extreme - first he says to apprehend the person responsible, then turns around and wants to /hire/ him? I mean, I admire his passion *rolls eyes* but come on man, *think*.
Rep. Markey put out a press release today urging that the kid not get arrested, but hired by the TSA ?!? :
...
"On Friday I urged the Bush Administration to 'apprehend' and shut down whoever had created a new website that enabled person without a plane ticket to easily fake a boarding pass and use it to clear security, gain access to the boarding area and potentially to the cabin of a passenger plane. Subsequently I learned that the person responsible was a student at Indiana University, Christopher Soghoian, who intended no harm but, rather, intended to provide a public service by warning that this long-standing loophole could be easily exploited. The website has now apparently been shut down."
"He picked a lousy way of doing it, but he should not go to jail for his bad judgment. Better yet, the Department of Homeland Security should put him to work showing public officials how easily our security can be compromised."
they send you home.
So to recap: No its not the same, no I didn't demonize Americans, and if you'd read what I'd said, you would know that it was my daughter who got scanned, so pulling me on my source was either stupidity or something worse? RTFP
No need to call anyone stupid.
You're confusing me here. Of course I knew it was your daughter, that is why I said this: "You'd prefer we tail your 5 year old on video every where she goes?". I was asking you for a source, other than your post (or your wife - they are the same to me), that the U.S. demands retina scans of every child entering the country. The only thing I can find are some pilot voluntary programs meant to speed up the entry process by using biometrics.
Yes, "retina scan" sounds quite scary doesn't it. It's just a picture of your eyes though. Like the omnipresent cameras in the U.K., except you see it coming, and then it is done. You'd prefer we tail your 5 year old on video every where she goes? Six one way half dozen the other from where I sit.
Please don't demonize an entire nation over your travel inconveniences. I go back and forth between the U.K and the U.S. quite often, and so do my U.K. counterparts. It sucks both directions, trust me.
P.S.
I've never heard of this retina scan business. Can you point to a source that talks about it?
At the moment, if Saudi-Arabia, Venezuela, Russia ++ decided to oil-embargo the US, and Norway had a vote to decide if we wanted to join, I would actually vote *FOR IT*. The more I learn about politics and recent norwegian relations with the US the sicker I get of it.
You think the grass is greener politically with those countries? Alright, but remember, you reap what you sow.
Personally, I prefer to have my code self commented. Meaningful variable names, no "smart arse" tricks, good clear layout. If you have to explain what a function is to do, it has not been coded very well.
Yeah but your function doesn't live in a vacuum does it? How about you write some lines up there at the top to put it in context for when I have to fix it next year.
Your Cubemate.
...typing in "google suggests"
Yeah and why not just throw out the XML while you're at it.
I've heard vague talk of John McCain running in 2008. The topic would certainly be debated then because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.
John McCain already ran for President, so the debate, if there was any, is already over.
Bravo. The guy's point in the first place wasn't that his was the more correct analogy, but that analogies like that are stupid and worthless. You go on to prove his point by providing yet another.
I dreamed last night (in between the alien invasion and the date with Bon Jovi)
What a nightmare! That part about the alien invasion sounds kinda scary too...
Hell no! Many rights and freedoms guaranteed by law cannot be contracted away! You can't sell yourself into slavery, for instance
Fucking duh. I didn't say you can contract away any freedom. You can contract away your freedom to do certain jobs (NDA's) or even to talk about certain things. Just as you've pointed out that you can weasle your way out of contractual obligations, you should also know that doesn't mean that you can get out of *all* of them.
Ah yes the best debaters,
:-)
I'm only as good as the other side is wrong
But it is not within the authority of the Uni to interfere with our use of it.
Sure it is. You sign a contract when you rent from them, the contract has all kinds of stipulations, like how much noise you can make, how many people can visit, what time you'll be in on wednesday, and even maybe something about having a wifi hotspot. College freshmen seem to think that they are still under 18 and impervious the constraints of contract law. I still think it's a PR blunder, but well within the school's right to ask this of their tennants, and apparently I'm in good company because the school's attorneys seem to agree with me.
Read the damned article.
I read the article. The fact that the FCC regulates something does not give you any right to it. In my parents neighborhood, you can't have a ham radio antenna or a satellite dish visible - these things are regulated by the FCC, yet the neighborhood association can limit their use, hmmm. You can contract away all kinds of freedoms, in this case you're signing a contract (rental agreement) that binds you to all sorts of nasty things, such as limiting your noise, what time you come in at night, etc. To arue that you somehow have some "fundamental right" to a wife hotspot but not these other things is just plain silly.
Nice try. No you can not exercise your right to have a cat in your room...why? Because there is no regulatory body stating that you HAVE a right to a cat in your dorm. Sounds like you still didn't find the link. I think you can set your browser to underline them for you.
I'm baffled as to why you seem to think that FCC regulations bestow extra rights onto you. You do realize that the FCC also regulates things like toaster ovens and hotplates don't you? Can you have them in your dorm room? The fact that there is a "regulatory body" doesn't give you jack in this instance, certainly not anything approaching a "fundamental right".
According to the FCC you do have a fundamental right to install WiFi routers wherever you see fit. There was a link to that specific bit of info cleverly hidden in plain view in the article.
Really. Can you excercise your "fundamental right" to have a cat in the dorm? Can you excercise your "fundamental right" to have a toaster oven? To burn candles?
Still think the university has no say over what you have in your dorm?
This may be a PR bungle, but the school certainly has the right to make this a requirement of living in the dorms, just like the students have the right not to live there.
No, Canada is not geographically similar to the US. They're both big, they both are in the northern hemisphere, but that's about it.
If you leave your door open and play music real loud , I can sit on the curb and listen to it. You can't tell me to leave because I'm hearing your music. You can't charge me a fee because your music is spilling out on to the public street.
Cute analogy, except that bandwidth is consumed and there is a finite quantity of it. Just 'cause they're not using it doesn't mean it's yours for the taking.
Howard Dean.
Personally, I think that a tiny bit of work on that study and the NEXT study would show Linux being incredibly easy to use even for novices.
This isn't a test they are trying to beat, it is an objective survey.
Yes and no. The lifestyle in Toronto is superior to that of India.
First off, you're comparing a city to an entire country, which is like saying Miami is superior to the Moon. Second, if you insist on using words like "superior" when comparing two places, at least qualify it. "The basketball scene in Toronto is superior to that of Bangalore", otherwise people will think you're some kind of nationalist fool.
Pick a technology to solve a problem, not the other way around.