You don't bring the lawyer to the negotiating table with you, or even tell the new employer you have a lawyer. All you do is have a lawyer review the contracts and give you advice, such as "the no invention clause sucks, but that's the norm at this point in time."
The point is, when an employer writes a contract (or when anyone writes a contract, for that matter) they ask for the world even though they're only expecting the moon.
You're probably not going to get your new employer to change the wording on the document with regards to allowing you to independently develop software while you're working for them. You should, however, exempt items you developed previous to your employment there. If the documents you're signing don't have a place to list previous inventions, make sure you have that language added.
I also agree with a previous poster that a lawyer is essential, especially if the contract you're signing is up for negotiation. A lawyer who works in the field will have a good idea of what is "normal" in these situations.
BTW, there's no need to tell your new employer you have an attorney helping you.
Isn't anyone getting sick of always gaudy pc hardware designs that take up WAY too much desk real estate? And while I'm at it, where do industrial design people get the idea that I want some wavy-shaped hub - where do these people set their coffee?
I use intel/linux - and I keep waiting for a PC manufacturer with same kind of industrial design sensibilities that apple has - anyone else?
I wonder if heating up a tank with liquid oxygen is a bright idea.
Yeah, maybe NASA will finally get their shit together and check things with some random Java programmer before their next mission. NASA, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, COME TO YOUR SENSES AND CONSULT A RANDOM JAVA DEVELOPER ON THE TANK HEATERS, HUMAN LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
I'm always doubtful about studies like this. While they claim that certain variables like weight, gender, etc. were controlled, I suspect there are other variables that come into play here. Did each participant have the same background? Training? Did they choose the same occupation? Do they live in the same area? Blah blah blah.
This is likely one of those "research causes cancer in rats" conclusions.
Well, it was indirectly stated in their terms of service, something about downloads "reasonable for one person". I suppose that's subjective, but, I mean, use your head dude. 2000!?!? Did you sleep that month?
Of course, having said that, I defy anyone to FIND the terms of service on the emusic site.
Having worked at a small software company, I'll speculate.
This could have been added as an "internal" feature and forgotten about it. It could have been added by one un-professional programmer, unbeknownst to the rest of the group. It could be in there on purpose, and the team is naive enough to believe it'll never get abused. It could be in there on purpose because they want it there and they don't care about the ramifications. And finally, it could be there because they have plans to use it some day to cause havoc.
My bet is the on one of the first two, but I wouldn't rule out any of them.
Yeah but "purpose" is subjective. What you see as just chat AOL probably sees as an unwanted drain on their resources. Not saying it rises to the level of what RIAA probably did w/ their "unauthorized" client, but the distinction is gray.
I wish I had the year back I spent drinking the Java coolaid only to find out what I already knew (to turn a phrase from Louis Armstring): If it *feels* slow, it *is* slow.
The only operating systems that have credibility on Intel are Microsoft Windows, Solaris and Linux. Which one of them does IBM do? They don't own their own operating system that runs on the volume platform. So they will continue supporting other people's platforms. So will HP. While they have done a superb job of telling the world that Linux is the future, but sadly it may be true for them because they don't own an OS
It's sad that the former great Unix hardware companies (Sun, SGI, Next, Apollo) had to live through times where their product was commodotized to a point where they either had to compete with as a softare company or die. SGI and NeXT didn't make it, and sun is now having to sell their soul to make it as a software company.
I think IBM (and to a lesser extent, HP) see the big picture here - the commoditization of software and re-emergence of premium hardware. And if you think about it, isn't that how it should be? You can't develop hardware in your basement, and if you could, you certainly couldn't afford to mass produce it. It's a good thing: great hardware running great open source software.
P.S. I'm astonished to see the number of Sun apologists on Slashdot. They are on a slippery slope right now, the way they are conducting themselves. I think Bill Joy saw it and got the hell out. I can sympathize - my first Unix experience was on a Sun, but I'm not about to let nostalgia rule over common sense.
Oh give me a fucking break. Ruining lives? They're not gouging children on school lunch, it's entertainment.
It comes down to one simple thing: they made the songs, they get to decide what you pay. Don't like it? Then don't buy it, and definately don't steal it, unless you're comfortable with your principled stand being "I want it so I take it."
Find some real principles. Minimize your reliance on corporate music. Listen to local music and bands on independent labels that understand modern distribution. Don't know where to find them? Tune in to your local college station, find interesting stations on the internet, go to local shows. If after that you still feel this is ruining your life then write your represenative or take it to the streets or something but don't rationalize your petty criminal behavior.
If I jaywalk to stop a little kid from running into traffic, should I be fined?
Sage. How 'bout you throw a baby into an intersection to demonstrate the need for a traffic light. Should you be arrested then?
Give the original post some credit, I think the circumstances were being taken into consideration. They guy broke into a system that doesn't belong to him. Maybe he did it to better all humanity, maybe he's selling the information to identity thieves, or maybe he just did it for shits and giggles. The point is, we'll never know. And beyond that, even if he did it with the best of intentions, it's debatable whether or not the ends justify the means.
I'm SO tired of that load of low-IQ FUD. Let's drop that bullshit already, goddamn it....
[rest of rant cut]
So yeah, there's probably some Gnome people getting a chuckle out of all this, so what. This is bigger than Gnome vs KDE. The point isn't to punish Trolltech, it is to put pressure on them so that they, in turn, complain to Canopy. This applies to all Canopy group companies. If Canopy hears enough of it, they just might get the message
That KDE has a better desktop than Gnome is completely irrelevant. I like KDE, I don't like Gnome. I've switched to using IceWM for the time being, and sent KDE/Trolltech letters telling them why. According to you that makes me a "low-IQ, lying hypocrite"? Oh *you* come on.
I'd bet that if you get them off the record, most of the trades that you see are just ordinary people exercising their stock options that have made a dollar or two. The amount of shares that have been sold are negligable to the total numbers out there. The trades represent 8/10ths of 1%. If you were in their shoes, what would you do if McBride, Sontag, and Canopy decided to screw over the company?
And you've just described insider trading. If SCO employees know their company's claims are bullshit because they have access to insider information (UnixWare source code, for example), they can't use that information to go make bank on SCO stock. The stock market (supposedly) works on the premise that all investors are on an equal playing field.
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You don't bring the lawyer to the negotiating table with you, or even tell the new employer you have a lawyer. All you do is have a lawyer review the contracts and give you advice, such as "the no invention clause sucks, but that's the norm at this point in time."
The point is, when an employer writes a contract (or when anyone writes a contract, for that matter) they ask for the world even though they're only expecting the moon.
You're probably not going to get your new employer to change the wording on the document with regards to allowing you to independently develop software while you're working for them. You should, however, exempt items you developed previous to your employment there. If the documents you're signing don't have a place to list previous inventions, make sure you have that language added.
I also agree with a previous poster that a lawyer is essential, especially if the contract you're signing is up for negotiation. A lawyer who works in the field will have a good idea of what is "normal" in these situations.
BTW, there's no need to tell your new employer you have an attorney helping you.
Isn't anyone getting sick of always gaudy pc hardware designs that take up WAY too much desk real estate? And while I'm at it, where do industrial design people get the idea that I want some wavy-shaped hub - where do these people set their coffee?
I use intel/linux - and I keep waiting for a PC manufacturer with same kind of industrial design sensibilities that apple has - anyone else?
I wonder if heating up a tank with liquid oxygen is a bright idea.
Yeah, maybe NASA will finally get their shit together and check things with some random Java programmer before their next mission. NASA, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, COME TO YOUR SENSES AND CONSULT A RANDOM JAVA DEVELOPER ON THE TANK HEATERS, HUMAN LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
I'm sure your girlfriend has pointed this out already, but you could just stop slamming your meathands down on the mouse so hard.
Oh, and does her mother know you're living together?
I'm always doubtful about studies like this. While they claim that certain variables like weight, gender, etc. were controlled, I suspect there are other variables that come into play here. Did each participant have the same background? Training? Did they choose the same occupation? Do they live in the same area? Blah blah blah.
This is likely one of those "research causes cancer in rats" conclusions.
Good point shorty.
http://www.sunncomm.com/asktheprez/asktheprez.asp
Well, it was indirectly stated in their terms of service, something about downloads "reasonable for one person". I suppose that's subjective, but, I mean, use your head dude. 2000!?!? Did you sleep that month?
Of course, having said that, I defy anyone to FIND the terms of service on the emusic site.
Having worked at a small software company, I'll speculate.
This could have been added as an "internal" feature and forgotten about it. It could have been added by one un-professional programmer, unbeknownst to the rest of the group. It could be in there on purpose, and the team is naive enough to believe it'll never get abused. It could be in there on purpose because they want it there and they don't care about the ramifications. And finally, it could be there because they have plans to use it some day to cause havoc.
My bet is the on one of the first two, but I wouldn't rule out any of them.
You can have a Klingon Language CD. You can have a girlfriend. But you can't possibly have BOTH.
Yeah but "purpose" is subjective. What you see as just chat AOL probably sees as an unwanted drain on their resources. Not saying it rises to the level of what RIAA probably did w/ their "unauthorized" client, but the distinction is gray.
...AOL sued *you* for accessing their network with Gaim.
1. Make good point that open and closed source software can both be insecure.
2. Demonstrate point by showing out insecurity in some open source software.
3. Someone notices the good point and fixes the insecure open source software.
4. Close source software gets no such notification, still has holes.
5. Point one nullified.
I wish I had the year back I spent drinking the Java coolaid only to find out what I already knew (to turn a phrase from Louis Armstring): If it *feels* slow, it *is* slow.
From the article:
The only operating systems that have credibility on Intel are
Microsoft Windows, Solaris and Linux. Which one of them does IBM
do? They don't own their own operating system that runs on the
volume platform. So they will continue supporting other people's
platforms. So will HP. While they have done a superb job of telling
the world that Linux is the future, but sadly it may be true for
them because they don't own an OS
It's sad that the former great Unix hardware companies (Sun, SGI,
Next, Apollo) had to live through times where their product was
commodotized to a point where they either had to compete with as a
softare company or die. SGI and NeXT didn't make it, and sun is now
having to sell their soul to make it as a software company.
I think IBM (and to a lesser extent, HP) see the big picture here -
the commoditization of software and re-emergence of premium hardware.
And if you think about it, isn't that how it should be? You can't
develop hardware in your basement, and if you could, you certainly
couldn't afford to mass produce it. It's a good thing: great
hardware running great open source software.
P.S. I'm astonished to see the number of Sun apologists on Slashdot.
They are on a slippery slope right now, the way they are conducting
themselves. I think Bill Joy saw it and got the hell out. I can sympathize - my first Unix experience was on a Sun, but I'm not about to let nostalgia rule over common sense.
Oh give me a fucking break. Ruining lives? They're not gouging children on school lunch, it's entertainment.
It comes down to one simple thing: they made the songs, they get to decide what you pay. Don't like it? Then don't buy it, and definately don't steal it, unless you're comfortable with your principled stand being "I want it so I take it."
Find some real principles. Minimize your reliance on corporate music. Listen to local music and bands on independent labels that understand modern distribution. Don't know where to find them? Tune in to your local college station, find interesting stations on the internet, go to local shows. If after that you still feel this is ruining your life then write your represenative or take it to the streets or something but don't rationalize your petty criminal behavior.
If I jaywalk to stop a little kid from running into traffic, should I be fined?
Sage. How 'bout you throw a baby into an intersection to demonstrate the need for a traffic light. Should you be arrested then?
Give the original post some credit, I think the circumstances were being taken into consideration. They guy broke into a system that doesn't belong to him. Maybe he did it to better all humanity, maybe he's selling the information to identity thieves, or maybe he just did it for shits and giggles. The point is, we'll never know. And beyond that, even if he did it with the best of intentions, it's debatable whether or not the ends justify the means.
I'm SO tired of that load of low-IQ FUD. Let's drop that bullshit already, goddamn it....
[rest of rant cut]
So yeah, there's probably some Gnome people getting a chuckle out of all this, so what. This is bigger than Gnome vs KDE. The point isn't to punish Trolltech, it is to put pressure on them so that they, in turn, complain to Canopy. This applies to all Canopy group companies. If Canopy hears enough of it, they just might get the message
That KDE has a better desktop than Gnome is completely irrelevant. I like KDE, I don't like Gnome. I've switched to using IceWM for the time being, and sent KDE/Trolltech letters telling them why. According to you that makes me a "low-IQ, lying hypocrite"? Oh *you* come on.
I'd bet that if you get them off the record, most of the trades that you see are just ordinary people exercising their stock options that have made a dollar or two. The amount of shares that have been sold are negligable to the total numbers out there. The trades represent 8/10ths of 1%. If you were in their shoes, what would you do if McBride, Sontag, and Canopy decided to screw over the company?
And you've just described insider trading. If SCO employees know their company's claims are bullshit because they have access to insider information (UnixWare source code, for example), they can't use that information to go make bank on SCO stock. The stock market (supposedly) works on the premise that all investors are on an equal playing field.
But didn't they just license it to me for free a few months ago?
Ever heard of Pete Townshend?
That shoudl read "Today most popular Desktop Environments, and BeOS/Zeta"
Maybe the ms word XML format looks like:
c >
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<worddoc>#($*HKJ#$#*....</worddo
and you can pay anyone willing to fix it. They're not required to support it forever :)
Since the code is otherwise free, service is the *only* thing you're paying for - it should be top notch.
...where did these people think it was going?