Think of it this way: Mozilla gives you the whole package, whether you want/need it or not.
I know you're right and I see your point, but you're not terribly accurate.
Mozilla gives you the OPTION to install all that stuff. The Mozilla installer is a "Wizard" that you SELECT what you want installed. Personally:
emerge -pv mozilla
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies...done!
[ebuild R ] net-www/mozilla-1.6-r1 +crypt -debug -debug -gnome +gtk2 -ipv6 +java -ldap -mozaccess -mozcalendar +moznocompose +moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozxmlterm +ssl -xinerama 0 kB
Here in the source world, we have all thoes options too.
I know I'm being a bit picky about one or two choice words, but the oversights in your posting change the whole idea of what you were trying to say.
Don't just complain about the problems that you encounter, like it's some sort of major flaw in the system, which discourages people from adopting it.
But if the "default" install is messed up to the point where someone's going to have to boot back to Windows to get to the Internet to dig through numerous Google searches to just have to boot back to FC to start working on basic issues, isn't the adoption of "Linux" already blown? If the people that work on Fedora are "expecting" Joe Sixpack to use it, but the person can't even play an mp3 without "yum xmms-mp3" (not that that is hard, but how would Joe Sixpack even know how to do that without booting back to Windows and running a bunch of searches)?
I propose your logic is 100% backwards. Yes, it's REALLY DAMN NICE that the info is "out there", but should someone have to resort to digging through all that just to get their machine simply working when 90 bucks at the local Target later, they have a operational XP system? (assuming that they had a blank machine, of course, which they most likley did not)
I haven't used SuSE since 8.0 and I've never used Slack, but, I have to agree that I've had a much easier time with WinModems under Linux than I have with Windows. This machine is running Gentoo (It has been for near 3 years now) and it has a WinModem in it. Windows never ('98, 2k, or XP) could use it right (it would even just crash '98 but that's not hard to do...). I hit this site and the thing has worked better than perfect for a couple years now.
It would be nice if the "yea, wait until more people use Linux" had a clue what they were talking about, especially since has exactly NOTHING to do with Linux.
Look, I'm a die-hard Linux user (that even boarders on Zealot). I've been using "Linux" for 7 or so years now (RH 5.1 is the first "Linux" I tried). THe "yea, wait until more people use Linux" people are right.
Sure, OK, all teh source code to everthing on this machine is out there (well, except for the nVidia module, but...), but if only something like 10% of all teh computer users on this even use "Linux", that would leave a tiny percent of people that actually understand the ccode enough to validate it.
Again, I've been using this OS for a good few years, and I can honestly say I'm no coder. OK, I can hammer out some really simple "Hello World" programs in a few languages, but that doesn't mean I can validate the Kernel...
4. Is God the all-powerful and all-knowing Creator of the universe, and does he still rule it today?
What do you mean by "God"? Is it Good Orderly Direction? Is it the "God" that's in the Christian Bible? Is it the "God" that came from Finland and wrote an OS? Is it the God that comes in a wrapper of cellophane?
The term "God" is extremely vague. I suggest that you re-word your troll some, it might actually mean something.
I hate to reply to myself, but, I thought of something.
If a person, a singular person (meaning dude or dudette doesn't have a friend in the next room that is valid on the Netquirk...), I guess it would be hard to ping sweep on a subnet they have no access to. Sure you could start guessing and typing-in static IP's to use to even join the network to start searing for currently unused IP's (but then in that case you'd have a valid one...).
But, I guess (worst case), set your machine to be 255 of the "last known good" (heh...) subnet and watch your firewall for (of...) all the errors of machines responding...
I dunno. I think I'm thinking too much of this. Even when I do run Windows, I know enough to keep the damn thing up-to-date.
but if you get a virus that broadcasts you are DHCP banned.
What's to stop someone from doing a ping sweep of a subnet and giving their machine a static IP of one that doesn't respond to beat your DHCP restrictions?
(this is an honest question, not a flame)
And before you say that the MAC is banned:
MAC's can be changed.
ANY firewall product on any OS that I've used will record the MAC (when it can of course) along with an IP.
I dunno. Maybe I'm not thinking of something, but, that system sounds pretty easy to beat. Granted I'm a "Computer Geek" and probably somewhere near 70% of the students aren't, but...
Yea, I know. It's not really my site. It's a close friend of mine's site. I've made him aware of the "backwards" keyboard a few times now... (and yea, that's Mac hardware in the pics.:-) That part I won't mention since I don't want him to change it (sorry, I can't afford a Mac, but like power and security, so I use Gentoo...:-) ).
I have no idea what's on that page, but it crashes Konqueror. It's just some flash stuff as far as I can see, and flash stuff is no problem, but that page dumps Konq.
Just thought I'd point it out for teh Konq users...
Slashdot Mirror
Think of it this way: Mozilla gives you the whole package, whether you want/need it or not.
...done!
I know you're right and I see your point, but you're not terribly accurate.
Mozilla gives you the OPTION to install all that stuff. The Mozilla installer is a "Wizard" that you SELECT what you want installed. Personally:
emerge -pv mozilla
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies
[ebuild R ] net-www/mozilla-1.6-r1 +crypt -debug -debug -gnome +gtk2 -ipv6 +java -ldap -mozaccess -mozcalendar +moznocompose +moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozxmlterm +ssl -xinerama 0 kB
Here in the source world, we have all thoes options too.
I know I'm being a bit picky about one or two choice words, but the oversights in your posting change the whole idea of what you were trying to say.
with an uppercase membrane keyboard
It seems AOL and WebTV isn't any different. At least the NNTP headers suggest that...
If the mouse was dead, you'd need [TAB] to get to the "submit" link.
:-\
Sorry, had to...
Don't just complain about the problems that you encounter, like it's some sort of major flaw in the system, which discourages people from adopting it.
But if the "default" install is messed up to the point where someone's going to have to boot back to Windows to get to the Internet to dig through numerous Google searches to just have to boot back to FC to start working on basic issues, isn't the adoption of "Linux" already blown? If the people that work on Fedora are "expecting" Joe Sixpack to use it, but the person can't even play an mp3 without "yum xmms-mp3" (not that that is hard, but how would Joe Sixpack even know how to do that without booting back to Windows and running a bunch of searches)?
I propose your logic is 100% backwards. Yes, it's REALLY DAMN NICE that the info is "out there", but should someone have to resort to digging through all that just to get their machine simply working when 90 bucks at the local Target later, they have a operational XP system? (assuming that they had a blank machine, of course, which they most likley did not)
I haven't used SuSE since 8.0 and I've never used Slack, but, I have to agree that I've had a much easier time with WinModems under Linux than I have with Windows. This machine is running Gentoo (It has been for near 3 years now) and it has a WinModem in it. Windows never ('98, 2k, or XP) could use it right (it would even just crash '98 but that's not hard to do...). I hit this site and the thing has worked better than perfect for a couple years now.
Couldn't mozilla offer a complete install with all the plugins as standard?
Yea, it's called Navigator...
It would be nice if the "yea, wait until more people use Linux" had a clue what they were talking about, especially since has exactly NOTHING to do with Linux.
Look, I'm a die-hard Linux user (that even boarders on Zealot). I've been using "Linux" for 7 or so years now (RH 5.1 is the first "Linux" I tried). THe "yea, wait until more people use Linux" people are right.
Sure, OK, all teh source code to everthing on this machine is out there (well, except for the nVidia module, but...), but if only something like 10% of all teh computer users on this even use "Linux", that would leave a tiny percent of people that actually understand the ccode enough to validate it.
Again, I've been using this OS for a good few years, and I can honestly say I'm no coder. OK, I can hammer out some really simple "Hello World" programs in a few languages, but that doesn't mean I can validate the Kernel...
emerge icecast
XP Embedded?
Is there a flash device large enough to hold that OS and still leave room for other apps?
(It's an honest question, this truly isn't a troll.
4. Is God the all-powerful and all-knowing Creator of the universe, and does he still rule it today?
What do you mean by "God"? Is it Good Orderly Direction? Is it the "God" that's in the Christian Bible? Is it the "God" that came from Finland and wrote an OS? Is it the God that comes in a wrapper of cellophane?
The term "God" is extremely vague. I suggest that you re-word your troll some, it might actually mean something.
Thanx.
Bloat is 200MB of screensavers or animations that make my windows take more than half a second to do what I want them to.
So don't install all that crap? Is that such an insane idea?
http://www.howardstern.com
Hmmm...
I hate to reply to myself, but, I thought of something.
If a person, a singular person (meaning dude or dudette doesn't have a friend in the next room that is valid on the Netquirk...), I guess it would be hard to ping sweep on a subnet they have no access to. Sure you could start guessing and typing-in static IP's to use to even join the network to start searing for currently unused IP's (but then in that case you'd have a valid one...).
But, I guess (worst case), set your machine to be 255 of the "last known good" (heh...) subnet and watch your firewall for (of...) all the errors of machines responding...
I dunno. I think I'm thinking too much of this. Even when I do run Windows, I know enough to keep the damn thing up-to-date.
"These are not the droids you're looking for."
What's to stop someone from doing a ping sweep of a subnet and giving their machine a static IP of one that doesn't respond to beat your DHCP restrictions?
(this is an honest question, not a flame)
And before you say that the MAC is banned:
- MAC's can be changed.
- ANY firewall product on any OS that I've used will record the MAC (when it can of course) along with an IP.
I dunno. Maybe I'm not thinking of something, but, that system sounds pretty easy to beat. Granted I'm a "Computer Geek" and probably somewhere near 70% of the students aren't, but...Humans were not meant to sit in cubicles all day long, Michael.
We have a car wash in my neighbourhood that has a salad bar attached to it.
You know where to go get a salad, right?
So this is a laptop mobo without the lap?
oh, you can put it sideways (as if the electrons would fall out)?
So it's a lap-side?
Am I missing something here?
now I have 200mgs to look forward too
Even this "translation" is wrong:
The upgrade will increase Hotmail's free e-mail storage limits from 2 megabytes to 250MB
geesh...
but I've found the best show on TV (to my knowledge) that challenges beliefs on a weekly basis is Joan of Arcadia.
Does that Hilary Duff in it? NO?!? What about Christy Carlson Romano? No?
Not worth watching, then.
Yea, I know. It's not really my site. It's a close friend of mine's site. I've made him aware of the "backwards" keyboard a few times now... (and yea, that's Mac hardware in the pics. :-) That part I won't mention since I don't want him to change it (sorry, I can't afford a Mac, but like power and security, so I use Gentoo... :-) ).
That standard dictates you be 110% sure your right? I think that's the standard anyway.
Well, at least you're unsure...
^^^^^
Informative.
A few folks already ripped it. I won't to stick this CD in my machine to burn a MP3 CD for my car...
Safari 1.2.2 (newest public version) seems to work fine.
Konq is actually fine. I'm not sure what dumped it since I've been clicking around the page with no problems after a re-load...
sorry folks...
I have no idea what's on that page, but it crashes Konqueror. It's just some flash stuff as far as I can see, and flash stuff is no problem, but that page dumps Konq.
Just thought I'd point it out for teh Konq users...