You said a place that services laptops. Toshiba has a 4600 (one of their best, actually). I find it impossible that there are 4,600 (4 thousand, six hundred) things running on top of normal OS stuff. I think you're confused...
If you want higher quality, pay up for visual studio.
This is an obvious troll, but I'm going to reply anyway. What can you do with VS that you can't do with kdevelop? I've had considerably less problems with kdevelop (even ugly versions of old...) then I ever have with VS. OK, I've said in previous posts and I'll say again, I'm no code guru, but, I've had a MUCH easier time with GNU utils then anything from Redomd...
Yea, OK, I hadn't mentioned tmp space. I don't know about this 3gig you claim, I've only seen it use around a gig (but I have a gig of RAM). Yes, it's still a bit ugly when compiling from source, but binary users would never see any of this. I dunno, I guess that's all my point was.
M.
Perhaps the thing you are not seeing here is that 90% of my network physically walks out the door.
I'm right there with you. My last IT gig was a small-ish (90 +/- - it depends on the jobs that were available and depends on how well the sales folk did...) user network. 90% were not located in a physical office and most of that not under "MY" control (client or home). This is what makes a major filtering/firewalling most important. I have no idea what my machines were exposed to, thus being really paranoid when it came to force-feeding McAfee updates, major firewall restrictions, etc. Your argument against, is my exact argument FOR: we have/had no idea what to expect...
That's all I can do - at least you can see that there I do have a point.
Agreed. I do (almost) nothing but agree with you. If everything is as 100% up-to-date as possible then there is no problem that is "out there" than you can prevent, minus egress firewalling (which would only be "Quick-Fixes", I understand).
My best analogy for firewalling is buying a high security door while leaving the window closed, but not locked.
Sorry, man. You're logic is very flawed. OK, if you feel the need to drop money on something (and I do still recommend Cisco's offerings), you are not leaving the window open if it can not be opened to begin with (e.g. egress...).
I run a corporate network without a firewall. Every time a major issue comes around and destroys every freaking company around me, I go by with maybe two systems effected.
So your employers are happy having their millions of dollars not protected from the Internet (as much as possible)? Geesh. Where do I sign up? You don't have ANYTHING? Even on your routers?
Oh, nm,
Why? I stay up-to-date on all patches, and I keep relatively SANE security policies in place.
I assume you TEST all these patches and updates BEFORE setting the machines to "auto-update"?
(Man, I'd love to have an "IT" gig where I could be this careless...)
You are nothing but right. Personally I don't think this thing looks bad at all. Yea, OK Apple's things are probably the best-ish looking things on the market, but so-freakin'-what? OK, maybe beauty sells, but I personally take function before form...
From the liner notes:
These recordings are the most unique approach to deep level relaxation... hmmm.. let me type the better ones...
These recordings come from a variety of different sound environments:
1)From the intersection of the solar-wind with the planet's magneto-sphere (...)
2. From the magneto-sphere itself.
3. From the trapped radio waves bouncing between the planet and the inner surface of it's atmosphere.
4. Electromagnetic field noise within space itself.
5. From charged particle interactions of the planet, its moons, and the solar wind.
6. From charged particle emissions from the rings of certain planets.
OK, I guess that gets the point across. This stuff dated back a number of years.
FYI, for anyone that knows most of Brian Eno's recodings, this won't sound any different...
There is a boot.iso, burn it, boot it, install from ftp.
I'm on 56k, just like most of the world still is...
If the folks over at SuSE (Novel) really want people to use their distro, they should be making ISO's of their distro.
Personally, I don't care much for SuSE. I bout he 8.0 Pro Pack when it was new. It took only about 1 day to realize that 80 bucks was among the worst ever spent on software. I couldn't even update the thing since Yast was so broke. Besides, there wasn't anything really "brought to the table" that MDK or Debian didn't have. Yast is an OK package manager (just as urpmi, apt, portage are). That's about it, though. I saw nothing that would make me think SuSE was "better" than other distros.
If they had ISO's of their CDs available, I'd get them from cheapbytes and try out their distro. As is stands now, I won't be touching it. I'll stick with Gentoo.
Consumers do not want to and are going to refuse to pay for multiple versions of the same copyrighted material.
So you're suggesting that I can fit a 12" record in my phone? Oh! You mean take the record and record it into a format that my phone can understand while at the same time *NOT* violate multiple versions of the same copyrighted material?
Oh.. I see... You had no idea what you were typing...
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$ uname -a Linux aragorn 2.4.25-gentoo-r2 #2 Mon May 31 12:54:31 EDT 2004 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
I dunno. This is a "PC". I don't have any spy-ware either.
It's on the US sites. The kid that submited the article lives in Munich: This is my weblog. It contains miscellaneous stuff happening with me (C.J.T.) here in Munich.
He's in 10th grade. That's about 15, right?
You said a place that services laptops. Toshiba has a 4600 (one of their best, actually). I find it impossible that there are 4,600 (4 thousand, six hundred) things running on top of normal OS stuff. I think you're confused...
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
OK, so, do we still hate Microsoft or not?
If you want higher quality, pay up for visual studio.
This is an obvious troll, but I'm going to reply anyway. What can you do with VS that you can't do with kdevelop? I've had considerably less problems with kdevelop (even ugly versions of old...) then I ever have with VS. OK, I've said in previous posts and I'll say again, I'm no code guru, but, I've had a MUCH easier time with GNU utils then anything from Redomd...
Yea, OK, I hadn't mentioned tmp space. I don't know about this 3gig you claim, I've only seen it use around a gig (but I have a gig of RAM). Yes, it's still a bit ugly when compiling from source, but binary users would never see any of this. I dunno, I guess that's all my point was.
M.
(Just to be fair)
I compile OOo on this machine from source when there's a new version (instead of using the binaries). The last update's compile time was 335 minutes.
$ uname -a Linux aragorn 2.4.25-gentoo-r2 #2 Mon May 31 12:54:31 EDT 2004 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
Perhaps the thing you are not seeing here is that 90% of my network physically walks out the door.
I'm right there with you. My last IT gig was a small-ish (90 +/- - it depends on the jobs that were available and depends on how well the sales folk did...) user network. 90% were not located in a physical office and most of that not under "MY" control (client or home). This is what makes a major filtering/firewalling most important. I have no idea what my machines were exposed to, thus being really paranoid when it came to force-feeding McAfee updates, major firewall restrictions, etc. Your argument against, is my exact argument FOR: we have/had no idea what to expect...
That's all I can do - at least you can see that there I do have a point.
Agreed. I do (almost) nothing but agree with you. If everything is as 100% up-to-date as possible then there is no problem that is "out there" than you can prevent, minus egress firewalling (which would only be "Quick-Fixes", I understand).
My best analogy for firewalling is buying a high security door while leaving the window closed, but not locked.
Sorry, man. You're logic is very flawed. OK, if you feel the need to drop money on something (and I do still recommend Cisco's offerings), you are not leaving the window open if it can not be opened to begin with (e.g. egress...).
OK, you make a good argument (with this post and including the one you pointed me to, but, I have only one additional word:
egress
With your "any any established" or your "-m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED" (or whatever you use), you are still VERY wide open...
I run a corporate network without a firewall. Every time a major issue comes around and destroys every freaking company around me, I go by with maybe two systems effected.
So your employers are happy having their millions of dollars not protected from the Internet (as much as possible)? Geesh. Where do I sign up? You don't have ANYTHING? Even on your routers?
Oh, nm,
Why? I stay up-to-date on all patches, and I keep relatively SANE security policies in place.
I assume you TEST all these patches and updates BEFORE setting the machines to "auto-update"?
(Man, I'd love to have an "IT" gig where I could be this careless...)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You are nothing but right. Personally I don't think this thing looks bad at all. Yea, OK Apple's things are probably the best-ish looking things on the market, but so-freakin'-what? OK, maybe beauty sells, but I personally take function before form...
I have a CD of space recordings dated back to 1992. Granted it's out of print these days, but, there is still some info to be found on them.
From the liner notes:
These recordings are the most unique approach to deep level relaxation... hmmm.. let me type the better ones...
These recordings come from a variety of different sound environments:
1)From the intersection of the solar-wind with the planet's magneto-sphere (...)
2. From the magneto-sphere itself.
3. From the trapped radio waves bouncing between the planet and the inner surface of it's atmosphere.
4. Electromagnetic field noise within space itself.
5. From charged particle interactions of the planet, its moons, and the solar wind.
6. From charged particle emissions from the rings of certain planets.
OK, I guess that gets the point across. This stuff dated back a number of years.
FYI, for anyone that knows most of Brian Eno's recodings, this won't sound any different...
Mad props to you!
Change the staion!
I fyou don't like what you hear or see, turn the damn thing off! It's really simple.
I've upgraded over a hundred computers to xp via network installation
You did check the hardware specs before hand, right? You didn't? Oh, well, I guess they were all newer machines then? Oh, you don't know?
Hmmm....
OK OK...
"I bought the"
Better?
George Bush ought to be ousted for lying to the American people
Dubbya wasn't even elected...
There is a boot.iso, burn it, boot it, install from ftp.
I'm on 56k, just like most of the world still is...
If the folks over at SuSE (Novel) really want people to use their distro, they should be making ISO's of their distro.
Personally, I don't care much for SuSE. I bout he 8.0 Pro Pack when it was new. It took only about 1 day to realize that 80 bucks was among the worst ever spent on software. I couldn't even update the thing since Yast was so broke. Besides, there wasn't anything really "brought to the table" that MDK or Debian didn't have. Yast is an OK package manager (just as urpmi, apt, portage are). That's about it, though. I saw nothing that would make me think SuSE was "better" than other distros.
If they had ISO's of their CDs available, I'd get them from cheapbytes and try out their distro. As is stands now, I won't be touching it. I'll stick with Gentoo.
They don't charge for SP2, there's no revenue stream to lose, so why make more problems for yourself by not patching up vulnerabilities?
/me pats you on the back.
Brother, you got it. It's a shame Bill and Steve don't.
3: Cars driving off a cliff == cars falling out of the sky.
. We were Akamai customers and were not charged on a per GB but we paid a flat fee for up to and including 1MBps average per month.
WE who?
Interesting.
/Me shakes his head.
So take it from the album version.
Consumers do not want to and are going to refuse to pay for multiple versions of the same copyrighted material.
So you're suggesting that I can fit a 12" record in my phone? Oh! You mean take the record and record it into a format that my phone can understand while at the same time *NOT* violate multiple versions of the same copyrighted material?
Oh.. I see... You had no idea what you were typing...