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I am very interested in OpenMoko and the Nokia Maemo Garage. Both the Nokia Internet Tablet and the OpenMoko are Arm based and perhaps the leap from one to the other would not be so great.
If the openmoko could run the apps that have been ported to Maemo it would be awesome.
I use my 770 for GPS primarily, but it is a pretty decent gizmo for quite a few different apps.
There seems to be a lot of people comparing Mandrake and Ubuntu and some going so far as to say they are the same.
However they are radically different some of the most important aspects (for me).
Mandrake is RPM and KDE (first at least) Ubuntu is apt and Gnome
For me the package management system is the first thing to think about and for a desktop where you are loading and unloading this and that app till you are happy (lots of people comparing to XP as well) then Synaptic and friends are the way to go. I have always preferred Gnome to KDE so again I like Ubuntu over Mandrake.
Sure you can add in apt to RPM based systems but that is just extra effort.
This would be very interesting to me as I live in an area where CDMA is the only option. Actually the option is only one telco as well.
How much hardware is different in CDMA vs GSM and since there is linux under there could the drivers be tweaked to change how the hardware communicates?
Or why can't it have both the networking devices in it? or be a module that you pop in like a memory chip?
That would make a lot more sense than the rumor about Apple buying Palm. At least they have alt more in common; Unix, graphics, video, cool looking boxes....
If this story is true, I would doubt that the nugget that Apple is after is BeOS but rather the Treo. Phone PDA fits much better in to the iPod than an OS from the 1990's.
What does BeOS have that they can't get or already have? The one thing that I remember being better on BeOS when it was new, was multimedia and being able to play multiple videos at the same time.... I just loaded 2 music videos in QuickTime Player on my iMac with 10.4.4 and the sound goes to the one with with focus but the video part plays on in both, which seems like a feature rather that a problem.
In the recent Wired dead tree mag there is an article about GM's chop shop where they buy the latest (insert car maker other than GM here) car and disassemble it to discover what the competition has to offer and how they do it. Why should we assume that this has not been done to BeOS a long time ago?
However, the Treo is eating up the market and it seems that merging a phone to an iPod is what is desirable (or so they tell us, personally I like separate devices). As others have said though, Apple does not seem to like the PDA market.
I am looking at these drives for my Mac Mini and a firewire enclosure. I always thought that a raid system made out of 2.5" drives would be cool too, some nice small box that sat there looking cool holding a terabyte in very little space..... Now they can be small, quiet, energy efficient and fast.
People buy SUV's: to haul stuff and they are usually just hauling themselves. go 4 wheeling when they are usually on nice pavement.
People buy large screen notebooks: so they can watch DVD's and they are usually working on letter sized docs. be portable and take it everywhere and it sitts on the desk.
I have a large notebook and nice Sony Vaio SR17. The Sony is fritzy and old now but I still prefer it because it is 3 pounds and is portable. But alas it does not play Doom 3 like the Compaq R3000......
How many people give a shit if Dell brings out a new product? I am sure they would write about Dell's new product if Dell actually made a new product. Dell only sells other peoples slightly new product that everyone else has been successfull selling.
If you are going to build a server farm, cluster, or any large install with heaps of machines then you already have enough money considerations. Adding the Microsoft tax is just one more expense, so if you can do it with free OS software then you reduce your initial costs.
The other reason that Linux has a stronghold in these markets is because it works so well there and is very tried and true. Then you have to think why would someone switch from what is already working to something else?
If you look at QuickTime as a video editing tool with a scriptable backend and extreme low cost you will never compare QuickTime to MediaPlayer ever again.
For >$30 you get an extremly awesome video editing program that can work with many different types of media and if you look at what you can do with AppleScript the product is very amazing.
Look at the codecs that you can go to from and then look back at Media Player.
Mostly they don't look at how big the file is in the first place. Or realize that it is a big file.
I had a group of users who had a one page MS Word file that they were using as a template that got broken somehow and it became 12 Megabytes. When they got a complaint from a recipient who was on a modem they asked me to look into it.
I remade the file and it was 43 kilobytes. Then I showed them the way to figure out how to check the size and spent the next hour explaining about file sizes.
New cameras are also very much to blame but nothing is more to blame than XP's default way of dealing with big images and just shrinking the image view. They have no idea that the files are huge, and have no desire to learn about re-sizing, compression, file formats.... Mailserver be damned I am going to send this collection of worthless pictures anyway, I just got this cool camera and I am going to use it.
21 - What kind of crazy non-base-8 number is that? And I totally agree with the first post that they did not get a name for every letter.
At first I thought that simple math revealed that they did not like vowels but they skip Q U X Y and Z.
Now I realive that they just lack imagination, simple google skills and obviously no baby name book.... And they cheated us out of some really cool hurricane names:
QUENNELL, UMBERTO, XANNON, YAHOLO, ZIVANKA
There are lots of names with each letter so there is no excuse. I just picked some fun ones from www.babynames.com
Back the truck up. So there is some music genius somewhere in the world that can play classical music that you happen to really like and instead they choose to play funk. Or maybe a basketball player that could be on your fav team and instead they are playing tennis (which is what they want to do) Or a writer who really likes to write in the gothic style but you know they can write really good romance novels......
The point is it is their destany and theirs to do with as they like.
Thanks for the link. I just about got excited about running Final Cut on my Compaq R3000 notebook but then realized that Rosetta only does G3 instructions and not G4 (or G5) and Final Cut likes G4's or better.....
So I have read here and else where that they intend on using a version of Linux and their own CPU's so that they do not have dependance on American tech.
Is being 95% compatable with MIPS enough to get a MIP's Linux kernel up and running or would they have to patch the bejesus out of it.
As far as the Mac boxen being more expensive than the win32 boxen: I wonder how many corporate budgets have stayed the same size (or gotten a 3% anual raise) and they can now afford Macs?
Like cars; all cars use the same location for the the acelerator pedal, and the brake pedal, and the spedometer is right there looking at you.
With computer OS design, the first thing that they do is make it all different, in some way. Not just make the window border different, make the whole thing different enough that only a geek would know what to do.
With this much change how is any of it going to help any one but people who are in the business?
But guess what? My parents and my grandma and my little sister don't want to do any of what this whole tread is carping about.
They "parents and my grandma and my little sister" are going to buy a 'puter from some vendor and it will have everything set up for them and they will not mess with such things.
Is the highest form of compliment that our society has besides the monitary forms, so of course we want our craft to be described as "art". However, along with the description must also come the stuff that get sold at the gas stations for US$39.99.
There is quite a lot of code that should be refered to as "art" and among people who apreciate the art form it already is.
Should Joe Sixpack revere your code? No, and he probably does not like the other art forms that you like. But you don't have to like the velvet Elvis that he just bought at the Kwik Trip either.
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I am very interested in OpenMoko and the Nokia Maemo Garage. Both the Nokia Internet Tablet and the OpenMoko are Arm based and perhaps the leap from one to the other would not be so great.
If the openmoko could run the apps that have been ported to Maemo it would be awesome.
I use my 770 for GPS primarily, but it is a pretty decent gizmo for quite a few different apps.
There seems to be a lot of people comparing Mandrake and Ubuntu and some going so far as to say they are the same.
However they are radically different some of the most important aspects (for me).
Mandrake is RPM and KDE (first at least)
Ubuntu is apt and Gnome
For me the package management system is the first thing to think about and for a desktop where you are loading and unloading this and that app till you are happy (lots of people comparing to XP as well) then Synaptic and friends are the way to go. I have always preferred Gnome to KDE so again I like Ubuntu over Mandrake.
Sure you can add in apt to RPM based systems but that is just extra effort.
This would be very interesting to me as I live in an area where CDMA is the only option. Actually the option is only one telco as well.
How much hardware is different in CDMA vs GSM and since there is linux under there could the drivers be tweaked to change how the hardware communicates?
Or why can't it have both the networking devices in it? or be a module that you pop in like a memory chip?
If there were 500 before and they added Google then some is not on the index anymore.
And if we are in a new Internet bubble are there any sidebets as to when Google comes off the S&P?
That would make a lot more sense than the rumor about Apple buying Palm.
At least they have alt more in common; Unix, graphics, video, cool looking boxes....
If this story is true, I would doubt that the nugget that Apple is after is BeOS but rather the Treo. Phone PDA fits much better in to the iPod than an OS from the 1990's.
What does BeOS have that they can't get or already have? The one thing that I remember being better on BeOS when it was new, was multimedia and being able to play multiple videos at the same time.... I just loaded 2 music videos in QuickTime Player on my iMac with 10.4.4 and the sound goes to the one with with focus but the video part plays on in both, which seems like a feature rather that a problem.
In the recent Wired dead tree mag there is an article about GM's chop shop where they buy the latest (insert car maker other than GM here) car and disassemble it to discover what the competition has to offer and how they do it. Why should we assume that this has not been done to BeOS a long time ago?
However, the Treo is eating up the market and it seems that merging a phone to an iPod is what is desirable (or so they tell us, personally I like separate devices). As others have said though, Apple does not seem to like the PDA market.
I'm pretty sure it's just going to be a laptop.
Considering the Bill Gates dream, wouldn't that be a TabletPC?
If anyone has the money to get all the things that others have tried to work Google is it.
It almost worked with Linspire and Lindows. Google could make this work.
I am looking at these drives for my Mac Mini and a firewire enclosure. I always thought that a raid system made out of 2.5" drives would be cool too, some nice small box that sat there looking cool holding a terabyte in very little space..... Now they can be small, quiet, energy efficient and fast.
People buy SUV's:
to haul stuff and they are usually just hauling themselves.
go 4 wheeling when they are usually on nice pavement.
People buy large screen notebooks:
so they can watch DVD's and they are usually working on letter sized docs.
be portable and take it everywhere and it sitts on the desk.
I have a large notebook and nice Sony Vaio SR17. The Sony is fritzy and old now but I still prefer it because it is 3 pounds and is portable. But alas it does not play Doom 3 like the Compaq R3000......
How many people give a shit if Dell brings out a new product?
I am sure they would write about Dell's new product if Dell actually made a new product. Dell only sells other peoples slightly new product that everyone else has been successfull selling.
Is why Linux works in all of these "strongholds".
If you are going to build a server farm, cluster, or any large install with heaps of machines then you already have enough money considerations. Adding the Microsoft tax is just one more expense, so if you can do it with free OS software then you reduce your initial costs.
The other reason that Linux has a stronghold in these markets is because it works so well there and is very tried and true. Then you have to think why would someone switch from what is already working to something else?
If you look at QuickTime as a video editing tool with a scriptable backend and extreme low cost you will never compare QuickTime to MediaPlayer ever again.
For >$30 you get an extremly awesome video editing program that can work with many different types of media and if you look at what you can do with AppleScript the product is very amazing.
Look at the codecs that you can go to from and then look back at Media Player.
Mostly they don't look at how big the file is in the first place. Or realize that it is a big file.
I had a group of users who had a one page MS Word file that they were using as a template that got broken somehow and it became 12 Megabytes. When they got a complaint from a recipient who was on a modem they asked me to look into it.
I remade the file and it was 43 kilobytes. Then I showed them the way to figure out how to check the size and spent the next hour explaining about file sizes.
New cameras are also very much to blame but nothing is more to blame than XP's default way of dealing with big images and just shrinking the image view. They have no idea that the files are huge, and have no desire to learn about re-sizing, compression, file formats.... Mailserver be damned I am going to send this collection of worthless pictures anyway, I just got this cool camera and I am going to use it.
21 - What kind of crazy non-base-8 number is that? And I totally agree with the first post that they did not get a name for every letter.
At first I thought that simple math revealed that they did not like vowels but they skip Q U X Y and Z.
Now I realive that they just lack imagination, simple google skills and obviously no baby name book.... And they cheated us out of some really cool hurricane names:
QUENNELL, UMBERTO, XANNON, YAHOLO, ZIVANKA
There are lots of names with each letter so there is no excuse. I just picked some fun ones from www.babynames.com
Back the truck up.
So there is some music genius somewhere in the world that can play classical music that you happen to really like and instead they choose to play funk.
Or maybe a basketball player that could be on your fav team and instead they are playing tennis (which is what they want to do)
Or a writer who really likes to write in the gothic style but you know they can write really good romance novels......
The point is it is their destany and theirs to do with as they like.
ditto
Runs yes but not optimized for it.
Do you use Final Cut on a G3? I have and have a G4 for good reasone.
Thanks for the link. I just about got excited about running Final Cut on my Compaq R3000 notebook but then realized that Rosetta only does G3 instructions and not G4 (or G5) and Final Cut likes G4's or better.....
You saved my weekend.
So I have read here and else where that they intend on using a version of Linux and their own CPU's so that they do not have dependance on American tech.
Is being 95% compatable with MIPS enough to get a MIP's Linux kernel up and running or would they have to patch the bejesus out of it.
Or maybe that is the plan anyway....
As far as the Mac boxen being more expensive than the win32 boxen: I wonder how many corporate budgets have stayed the same size (or gotten a 3% anual raise) and they can now afford Macs?
Like cars; all cars use the same location for the the acelerator pedal, and the brake pedal, and the spedometer is right there looking at you.
With computer OS design, the first thing that they do is make it all different, in some way. Not just make the window border different, make the whole thing different enough that only a geek would know what to do.
With this much change how is any of it going to help any one but people who are in the business?
But guess what? My parents and my grandma and my little sister don't want to do any of what this whole tread is carping about.
They "parents and my grandma and my little sister" are going to buy a 'puter from some vendor and it will have everything set up for them and they will not mess with such things.
Is the highest form of compliment that our society has besides the monitary forms, so of course we want our craft to be described as "art". However, along with the description must also come the stuff that get sold at the gas stations for US$39.99.
There is quite a lot of code that should be refered to as "art" and among people who apreciate the art form it already is.
Should Joe Sixpack revere your code? No, and he probably does not like the other art forms that you like. But you don't have to like the velvet Elvis that he just bought at the Kwik Trip either.