"Well... Quebec would made a better contry, but since we are not an offical contry yet, i am still happy to live in Canada!"
Does Quebec still have the problem it was infamous for 10 or so years ago of censoring private speech/writing for being in the wrong language? I've not heard an update on this in while.
" What they said is that while it is technically legal to steal the music up there"
You should have said that it was technically impossible to steal music by downloading copies of files up there... and anywhere. It is copyright infringement. It is not forgery, theft, fraud, theft, rape, or murder. It isn't even GTA.
"and the relevant peer groups' opinion of music thievery as perfectly acceptable."
I defy you to find one message in Slashdot, usenet, or the whole wide world web that justifies music thievery. Can you meet the challenge?
"It isn't a democracy, and for good reason. It's a republic..."
Thanks for the civics lesson.
"No, the government's first and foremost duty is to uphold the Constitution *regardless of the will of any group arrogant enough to call themselves 'the people'.*"
That is what it should be, correct. However, too often the "duty" that is Job One for government is to enrich and empower itself. This is why we have such things as the Constitution: to place a roadblock in the path of "absolute power corrupting absolutely".
"My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions? "
"They don't make decisions "for" the people in a broader sense"
That is exactly what they are supposed to do in a representative democracy.
"The government's decisions are confined within the framework of implementing those things only."
Framework being police, fire, defense, etc.... The fact is that the government's decisions always go way beyond this "framework", like voting themselves pay raises and other self-serving waste. It is just a characteristic of all governments: one of their most important jobs (sometimes THE most important job) is to enrich and empower themselves. You will be very hard pressed to find any government that does not consider this to be important. This is why many (such as the US founding fathers) rightfully placed limits on the power of government to boss people around, even if the government is democratic and says it is doing it "because you want it" or "for your own good".
The worst citizen is the one that gets a warm and fuzzy feeling when the government says "We're from the government and we're here to help you" just because the government's rule has a democratic justification.
"If you are going to continue to lie by claiming that "invent" is "what he actually said""
"Gore said that he invented the Internet" is an accurate paraphrase. Compare this to Gore said "I invented the Internet". The second is an incorrect quotation. As long as those Republicans only do the first, they are in no trouble at all.
As for the "difference" between invent and create, here are some definitions for you:
To cause to exist; bring into being.
To produce or contrive (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination. To give rise to; produce
To produce through artistic or imaginative effort
(I left off the ones to do with appointing a person or engaging in deception)
Tell me: which of these apply to Gore's Internet efforts?
"Correct. They have nothing to do with HIS STATEMENT. They have everything to do with thenon-existant statement that they misattributed to him."
If you are referring to the "invented" paraphrasing, this is a perfectly accurate paraphrasing. They did nothing more than attribute to him what he actually said, so they still do not matter in this.
"Your question would be almost apprpriate if I were claiming that Gore *did* in fact *invent* the internet. I'm not. And he didn't either"
He did make this claim. However, he admitted it was a mistake to say this.
"It's obvious to anyone with two little gray cells to rub together that he was not claiming a technical innovation on his own part"
Technical innovation? That is almost off topic. He did, however, claim to have created it.
"And you'll note that those words were not MISattributed to him."
Nothing is misattributed to Gore by accurately paraphrasing him.
"You need to read their statement again. They clearly discredit the Republican-led spin and misquotation"
It is not misquotating to say that Gore said he invented the Internet. It is an accurate paraphrasing. You are the one injecting partisan spin into this. If there is any "Republican spin" here, it is not in their accurate summary of what Gore said. The "spin" is in their use of this along with some fake quotes as part of a case that Gore went around intentionally lying about his accomplishments.
Actually? No.
"[Create] involves communicating the vision, getting support, allocating funds, setting policy, manufacturing components, deploying components, laying down cable, etc"
We are talking about definitions, and you throw this in. There is no dictionary anywhere that mentions cables in the definition of create.
"He never claimed to have done the whole thing single-handedly, from start to finish."/
That is correct. He merely claimed to have been the leader (taking the initiative) in starting it ("create"): a claim that is not true at all.
"he never even said "I created the internet". He said "I took the initiative in creating the Internet". He took the initiative."
His "took the initiative" makes his claim even more false: it makes it look like his own idea.
"initiative turned the Internet of yesterday into the Internet of today."
So? No matter how much you give Gore deserved kudos for improving the Internet, that still does not give him a role in something that happened at the end of the 1960s and early 1970s (creation).
"Gore's statement was right on the mark,"
Yet, we have shown how it is factually false. Gore himself said it was a misstatement.
"and the Republican use of the word "invent" is clearly inappropriate"
Both "create" and "invent" are equally wrong. The Republicans have nothing to do with this. You yourself added another paraphrase word: "start" which is accurate as well. You must be an evil Republican for referring to Gore starting it!
""We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet". "
Nor do I, nor does Al Gore himself. Gore said it was a mistake. In my view, he slipped up in the heat of an interview. I have said so elsewhere. I also criticized those who call Gore a liar, or claim that Gore intended to mislead.
"At no point do Cerf and Kahn state, or even suggest, that he misspoke."
They don't say he was right, either. Their goal in their piece was to give Gore praise for what actually did, not rake him over the coals for an incorrect statement that they "[did not think] Gore intended" to say in the first place.
Remember President Jerry Ford? He got on film a few times bumping his head. This "but his wrong statement is true!" defense would be like a Ford man insisting "but Jerry intended to bump his head on the helicopter door!"
Gore stumbled in his interview. His stumble is not, as Democrats claim, an actual true statement. It is not, as Republicans claim, part of a pathological liar syndrome.
What do they have to do with his statement? Nothing. When I first heard about the controversy, I went to the CNN web site and found Gore's own statement... one in which "invent" is an accurate paraphrase. Don't blame the Republicans for Gore's misstatement.
"The vision that Gore articulated during his congressional service was of an Internet that did not yet exist"
The same is true of Spamford Wallace's dream of an internet full of spam. Did Spamford end up inventing the Internet too?
"Actually, it is. They are the ones who coined the phrase "invented the internet""
It is an accurate paraphrase, and the words mean the exact same thing in the context Gore used them. You are splitting hairs that are too thin for splitting, and again, the Republicans had nothing to do with this. (just as the Democrats did not force GWB to make his "wings take dream" speech)
"Why are you wasting your time discussing it here? Write to Cerf and Kahn and tell them how wrong they are"
I've read Cerf's statements. They are correct. They thank Gore for helping expand the Internet. Cerf does not anywhere claim that Gore had anything to do with creating it. If Cerf did this, he would be misspeaking as well.
"Politicians take credit for their legislative creations all the time, without having words like "invent" misattributed to them"
If you apply "invent" to the creation of a singular technological entity, it is not a misattribution. The Internet is just such an entity that the word "invent" perfectly applies to the creation of it.
Exercise inspired by videogames. Imagine if they took FIFA Soccer for PS2 and made a real sport out of it! Could work? Sounds a lot more likely than someone turning EA's "ice hockey" game NHL-2005 into an actual pro sport that someone plays on real ice.
I just tried it, and found the click-on-arrow RPG style tedious (have never warmed to it). Can anyone here name a good free site that has puzzles where you don't have to walk characters to them?
First, make it into a server. Host a web page on it, perferably about a popular topic like Star Wars. Next, successfully submit a Slashdot story that links to it. You'll be overloaded in no time.
This contest should be named in honor of that old Atari 2600 ET game, which, from looking at it, must have been designed and completed in two and a half hours.
You are right up until the point you say he created it. You'd have a great message if we left the last paragraph off ot it. Saying he "created" it just by expanding something someone else created is like saying that Carly Fiorina created Hewlett-Packard by buying COMPAQ.
Mr. Gore did a lot of great things for the 'Net. He deserves plenty of laud 'n' kudos for doing what he really did. We don't have to add to his resume something he actually did not do (and even said he did not do: Gore said that his create statement was a mistake.)
"Oxyride huh? People still use disposable batteries? I'm a NiMH guy myself. The initial investment in NiMH is greater, but your cost in the long run is far cheaper. Plus, it keeps a lot of batteries from being thrown away."
Good long-lasting Lithiums are good as a backup to keep with you if your rechargables all die on you. They are also good if you go somewhere where you just can't find a place to plug in and recharge.
"I don't understand why you and people like you are treating this like a religious issue. The fervency of the rebuttals approaches fanaticism."
It is sort of amusing. Let's look at what happened:
1. In the heat of an unrehearsed interview, Gore likely meant to speak proudly of his "early adopter" Internet-related initiatives. However, what came out was a historically incorrect claim that he actually created the thing instead of just helped it along.
2. Later Gore says that the "creation" statement was a mistake, and he did not really mean to say that.
By insisting that the statement in #1 was really true, these "fanatics" are calling Gore a liar on #2.
1. Those who complain about registration.
2. Those who complain about those who complain about registration.
3. Those who complain that more than half of the discussion about NYT items concerns NYT registration (I guess mine would fall into that category).
Actually, I felt no need to go to the article this time. Taco's summary was good enough, and this sounds like good news. Quickly-dying batteries is one of those "why is there so little progress here?" aspects of evolving tech that so often does annoy me.
"it's two separate areas you fool. yes it's the continent of asia, but at least within the language I speak, russians aren't asian."
You are not correct at all, and are compounding your errors. The Middle Eastern region includes northeast Africa and southwest Asia. Check a map. Here is a map of the continents with a separate color for each one. IF you know where Jordan is, you will see that it is in the same blue continent as Thailand is. Here is a relevant quote from Wikipedia: "The Middle East is a subregion of Africa-Eurasia, or more specifically, Asia, and sometimes North Africa.
We were not discussing Russia, but you are very wrong about this as well. While the Russian ethnic group's heartland is in Europe, most of Russia is in Asia along with a huge part of Russia's population. Refer to maps.
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Your proposal is acceptable.
Does Quebec still have the problem it was infamous for 10 or so years ago of censoring private speech/writing for being in the wrong language? I've not heard an update on this in while.
You should have said that it was technically impossible to steal music by downloading copies of files up there... and anywhere. It is copyright infringement. It is not forgery, theft, fraud, theft, rape, or murder. It isn't even GTA.
"and the relevant peer groups' opinion of music thievery as perfectly acceptable."
I defy you to find one message in Slashdot, usenet, or the whole wide world web that justifies music thievery. Can you meet the challenge?
Thanks for the civics lesson.
"No, the government's first and foremost duty is to uphold the Constitution *regardless of the will of any group arrogant enough to call themselves 'the people'.*"
That is what it should be, correct. However, too often the "duty" that is Job One for government is to enrich and empower itself. This is why we have such things as the Constitution: to place a roadblock in the path of "absolute power corrupting absolutely".
"My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions? "
You have THAT much respect for Bob Vila? Wow!
That is exactly what they are supposed to do in a representative democracy.
"The government's decisions are confined within the framework of implementing those things only."
Framework being police, fire, defense, etc.... The fact is that the government's decisions always go way beyond this "framework", like voting themselves pay raises and other self-serving waste. It is just a characteristic of all governments: one of their most important jobs (sometimes THE most important job) is to enrich and empower themselves. You will be very hard pressed to find any government that does not consider this to be important. This is why many (such as the US founding fathers) rightfully placed limits on the power of government to boss people around, even if the government is democratic and says it is doing it "because you want it" or "for your own good".
The worst citizen is the one that gets a warm and fuzzy feeling when the government says "We're from the government and we're here to help you" just because the government's rule has a democratic justification.
There is sort of a contradiction there. Once tax dollars are involved, you have the government making decisions for the people.
But aren't all those books like "21 Games for the Commodore VIC-20", "Easy Guide to Wordstar 4.0", and "Visicalc for the Apple //e" so useful?
"Gore said that he invented the Internet" is an accurate paraphrase. Compare this to Gore said "I invented the Internet". The second is an incorrect quotation. As long as those Republicans only do the first, they are in no trouble at all.
As for the "difference" between invent and create, here are some definitions for you:
To cause to exist; bring into being.
To produce or contrive (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination.
To give rise to; produce
To produce through artistic or imaginative effort
(I left off the ones to do with appointing a person or engaging in deception)
Tell me: which of these apply to Gore's Internet efforts?
If you are referring to the "invented" paraphrasing, this is a perfectly accurate paraphrasing. They did nothing more than attribute to him what he actually said, so they still do not matter in this.
"Your question would be almost apprpriate if I were claiming that Gore *did* in fact *invent* the internet. I'm not. And he didn't either"
He did make this claim. However, he admitted it was a mistake to say this.
"It's obvious to anyone with two little gray cells to rub together that he was not claiming a technical innovation on his own part"
Technical innovation? That is almost off topic. He did, however, claim to have created it.
"And you'll note that those words were not MISattributed to him."
Nothing is misattributed to Gore by accurately paraphrasing him.
"You need to read their statement again. They clearly discredit the Republican-led spin and misquotation"
It is not misquotating to say that Gore said he invented the Internet. It is an accurate paraphrasing. You are the one injecting partisan spin into this. If there is any "Republican spin" here, it is not in their accurate summary of what Gore said. The "spin" is in their use of this along with some fake quotes as part of a case that Gore went around intentionally lying about his accomplishments.
Actually? No.
"[Create] involves communicating the vision, getting support, allocating funds, setting policy, manufacturing components, deploying components, laying down cable, etc"
We are talking about definitions, and you throw this in. There is no dictionary anywhere that mentions cables in the definition of create.
"He never claimed to have done the whole thing single-handedly, from start to finish."/
That is correct. He merely claimed to have been the leader (taking the initiative) in starting it ("create"): a claim that is not true at all.
"he never even said "I created the internet". He said "I took the initiative in creating the Internet". He took the initiative."
His "took the initiative" makes his claim even more false: it makes it look like his own idea.
"initiative turned the Internet of yesterday into the Internet of today."
So? No matter how much you give Gore deserved kudos for improving the Internet, that still does not give him a role in something that happened at the end of the 1960s and early 1970s (creation).
"Gore's statement was right on the mark,"
Yet, we have shown how it is factually false. Gore himself said it was a misstatement.
"and the Republican use of the word "invent" is clearly inappropriate"
Both "create" and "invent" are equally wrong. The Republicans have nothing to do with this. You yourself added another paraphrase word: "start" which is accurate as well. You must be an evil Republican for referring to Gore starting it!
""We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet". "
Nor do I, nor does Al Gore himself. Gore said it was a mistake. In my view, he slipped up in the heat of an interview. I have said so elsewhere. I also criticized those who call Gore a liar, or claim that Gore intended to mislead.
"At no point do Cerf and Kahn state, or even suggest, that he misspoke."
They don't say he was right, either. Their goal in their piece was to give Gore praise for what actually did, not rake him over the coals for an incorrect statement that they "[did not think] Gore intended" to say in the first place.
Remember President Jerry Ford? He got on film a few times bumping his head. This "but his wrong statement is true!" defense would be like a Ford man insisting "but Jerry intended to bump his head on the helicopter door!"
Gore stumbled in his interview. His stumble is not, as Democrats claim, an actual true statement. It is not, as Republicans claim, part of a pathological liar syndrome.
How is that last one pronounced?
Yet, most of the Arab lands are in Asia. This includes important Arab "heartlands" like Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
That does not count all the ones like "HACK", most of the MUDs, MOOS, and many many others which owe a lot to D&D.
Well, after years and years of text and graphics online games that copied or were inspired by D&D, D&D finally felt it was time to do their own....
What do they have to do with his statement? Nothing. When I first heard about the controversy, I went to the CNN web site and found Gore's own statement... one in which "invent" is an accurate paraphrase. Don't blame the Republicans for Gore's misstatement.
"The vision that Gore articulated during his congressional service was of an Internet that did not yet exist"
The same is true of Spamford Wallace's dream of an internet full of spam. Did Spamford end up inventing the Internet too?
"Actually, it is. They are the ones who coined the phrase "invented the internet""
It is an accurate paraphrase, and the words mean the exact same thing in the context Gore used them. You are splitting hairs that are too thin for splitting, and again, the Republicans had nothing to do with this. (just as the Democrats did not force GWB to make his "wings take dream" speech)
"Why are you wasting your time discussing it here? Write to Cerf and Kahn and tell them how wrong they are"
I've read Cerf's statements. They are correct. They thank Gore for helping expand the Internet. Cerf does not anywhere claim that Gore had anything to do with creating it. If Cerf did this, he would be misspeaking as well.
"Politicians take credit for their legislative creations all the time, without having words like "invent" misattributed to them"
If you apply "invent" to the creation of a singular technological entity, it is not a misattribution. The Internet is just such an entity that the word "invent" perfectly applies to the creation of it.
Gore misspoke. He said so later.
Exercise inspired by videogames. Imagine if they took FIFA Soccer for PS2 and made a real sport out of it! Could work? Sounds a lot more likely than someone turning EA's "ice hockey" game NHL-2005 into an actual pro sport that someone plays on real ice.
I just tried it, and found the click-on-arrow RPG style tedious (have never warmed to it). Can anyone here name a good free site that has puzzles where you don't have to walk characters to them?
First, make it into a server. Host a web page on it, perferably about a popular topic like Star Wars. Next, successfully submit a Slashdot story that links to it. You'll be overloaded in no time.
I don't like the idea of old Atari games that require an excruciating registration process just to play them.
Thanks for coming at it from a purely partisan "my party is good, the other party is evil" point of view.
This contest should be named in honor of that old Atari 2600 ET game, which, from looking at it, must have been designed and completed in two and a half hours.
Mr. Gore did a lot of great things for the 'Net. He deserves plenty of laud 'n' kudos for doing what he really did. We don't have to add to his resume something he actually did not do (and even said he did not do: Gore said that his create statement was a mistake.)
Good long-lasting Lithiums are good as a backup to keep with you if your rechargables all die on you. They are also good if you go somewhere where you just can't find a place to plug in and recharge.
It is sort of amusing. Let's look at what happened:
1. In the heat of an unrehearsed interview, Gore likely meant to speak proudly of his "early adopter" Internet-related initiatives. However, what came out was a historically incorrect claim that he actually created the thing instead of just helped it along.
2. Later Gore says that the "creation" statement was a mistake, and he did not really mean to say that.
By insisting that the statement in #1 was really true, these "fanatics" are calling Gore a liar on #2.
2. Those who complain about those who complain about registration.
3. Those who complain that more than half of the discussion about NYT items concerns NYT registration (I guess mine would fall into that category).
Actually, I felt no need to go to the article this time. Taco's summary was good enough, and this sounds like good news. Quickly-dying batteries is one of those "why is there so little progress here?" aspects of evolving tech that so often does annoy me.
You are not correct at all, and are compounding your errors. The Middle Eastern region includes northeast Africa and southwest Asia. Check a map. Here is a map of the continents with a separate color for each one. IF you know where Jordan is, you will see that it is in the same blue continent as Thailand is. Here is a relevant quote from Wikipedia: "The Middle East is a subregion of Africa-Eurasia, or more specifically, Asia, and sometimes North Africa.
We were not discussing Russia, but you are very wrong about this as well. While the Russian ethnic group's heartland is in Europe, most of Russia is in Asia along with a huge part of Russia's population. Refer to maps.