I took mine back when I found out that you could not point them at a settlement and see on the readout how many humanoid life forms there were in it, and that they were not capable of detecting nearby warp drive fields.
"And this is your "evidence" that they are part of the vast left-wing conspiracy"
I said that they were proud that they were left-wing, and it is found in this quote (from their own web site). If they were not happy with it, they would hide it. I never said they they were part of a conspiracy I don't even believe in. So, no, it is not evidence of this. You keep creating this "left wing conspiracy" stuff. If I say Ralph Nader is left wing, your response would be that I said he was part of a vast conspiracy (and that he was not left wing even if he admits it!).
So, whenever you bring up vast conspiracies, you are debating with yourself. I never bring them up, and never argue them, except to point again and again the fact that I never mentioned them to begin with.
"Look at how he thinks. It's not "propaganda" - it's people being able to advocate their political causes in media."
So? That's pretty obvious. It's the same thing.
"without fairness, its some people being able to advocate their political causes in media. And others, not"
It is rather misleading to use the lower-case word "fairness" for specific "Fairness Doctrine". Fairness is fine with me. This long-dead doctrine is not. And, by the way, under the doctrine, some people were able to advocate and some were not. At least without it, people are more free to express themselves without offending censors.
"You can't find a single thing in their work to object to, you let go a lot of innuendos with nothing to back them up"
I referred specifically to their list of Limbaugh errors (which contained a few FAIR errors). These errors, I objected to. I also object to a supposed responsible organization getting into the gutter with Limbaugh by using juvenile insults against all of their political opponents. Specific items, even. Not "innuendo".
"You cannot find documentation for anything Franken has said that you think is dishonest, but claim you can"
Do you want me to link to Franken's recent lie about Kerry's military service records?
"You then are forced to link in what you freely admit are additional conservative lies, that happen to be about Franken, yet claim that this is somehow equal."
Actually, it is equal. The left-wing Limbaugh bashers are as sloppy as the right-wing Franken bashers. However, I am not here to defend Limbaugh. I'm just here to point out that he is not the only hog rolling in the dirt: Franken does, too, even though you would excuse him because your politics are similar to his.
"What I am saying is that you are twisting words. Progressive, liberal, and democrat are all different concepts, just as conservative and republican are different".
Twisting words is what you just did by your straw-man insertion of party names there! Reword it to correct: progressive and liberal are concepts that almost entirely overlap just as conservative and traditional (an O'Reilly buzzword) do.
Look at the little liar, trying to invent some more crazy ideas to pin on others(in response to me saying that you find nothing wrong with left-wing screamers like Franken)
Yet, above in the same response, you once again bash one but not the other.
No, hardly a post goes by without you lying and pretending [The Fairness Doctrine] means censorship."
There is no pretending: that is what it does. If the Fairness Doctrine did not censor, it would have no effect (and I would not care about it at all). If the Fairness Doctrine had no impact on the ability of media programmers to program political content as they see fit (a matter that is between them and their audience), I would not care.
"Tell me more, AtariAmarok. Do you really find it odd to have to do any work to justify your claims?"
I especially find it odd now since the specific links you asked for were ignored. (Innuendo!!! Waaahhh!)
"Your an apologist for propagandists, and a proponent of censorship in th mass media"
Yes, I am an apologist for people being able to advocate their political causes in media. However, I have never called for censorship of such advocacy or other expression of political opinion. You have.
"You know what's great about our time together, AtariAmarok? Our conversation provides convenient, unimpeachable evidence that you are lying about this, and that you also probably know it
I provided analysis of a few of FAIR's claims many items ago. You chose to ignore it. Easier to say "liar!" than read.
"Limbaugh really is a liar. Franken really is just calling him out, along with others like him. They are not equal or even close.
They are both often liars, both often funny, and both often have great points. Whether or not you greatly favor one of the other shows which "side" you are on (of political bias).
"This is why you had to trot out that crap as a "response" to FAIR"
I see now that you totally chose to ignore this bogus claim that Limbaugh was a liar on the CBS News story because he capitalized (?) News.
"You haven't provided FAIR admitting to anything"
I provided a link to FAIR's own page about itself, that contained the admission.
"you are reduced to distorting the definitions of words in their misssion statement"
Are you now claiming that admitting being "progressive" is not the same as admitting to being on the left? How is this different from someone admitting being "conservative" not being on the political right?
"Following OT into other discussions is against the rules, AA. I know you're frustrated "
The old topic closed immediately after you added all the replies. The rules will be enforced with a down-modification, I'm sure.
"The man notoriously promotes himself as balanced; indeed, as the only source for the real truth."
He claims he is "a balance", not balanced. He always admits being conservative. In this (latter part), he is honest. "Source for real truth" is an example of his great arrogance. Come to think of it, your quote about Limbaugh fits yourself quite well. You claim to be centrist, but you only bash the right wing and find nothing wrong with left-wing screamers like Franken...and any left-wing argument is never pejoratively labeled as "propaganda"
"grouping responsible organizations together with propaganda organizations"
Whether or not one is responsible (a word you use for meaning "good!" here) or not, or one is propaganda (word for "bad!") or not, is up to the listener. It is not an objective measurement. You, with left-wing bias, call one good and the other bad. A conservative would say the opposite. I say they are equally good/bad: especially with an eye toward how the government should treat them: totally impartially.. All of the sides being discussed are politically biased argument groups.
" I've shown more tolerance than most would"
Yet, hardly a post goes by without you demanding Fox News and others be censored for their political opinion.
"you learned something from this process"
I've learned nothing I've not seen before. Even the old thing of someone screaming "give me links!" who totally ignores them when they are provided, and refuses to give links themself when asked.
" so that you can win for the team"
The team I am on for this is the one for free speech.
"The world runs on the truth, though, whatever you claim"
It does indeed run on the truth. The danger is when someone, like Limbaugh or yourself, see their political opinion as the one truth. The best example of this was your use of your opinion about the Iraq war as support for the idea of censoring Fox News.
" Just the right amount of urban development -- followed by just the right amount of urban decay -- was needed to create a picturesque dreamscape that could also credibly be swimming in guns."" "
Ah. This explains the camera crews and digitizing teams combing downtown Detroit a few months ago.
300,000 in the U.S.? At this ever increasing rate, software patent propagation will likely exceed spams being sent in a decade or two.
The two will likely merge, with today's spam list sellers producing software that is guaranteed to generate 100,000 software patents a day.
And don't dare to delete that spam. You will see a message in it that says "The methodology of pressing a delete screen button or similar control on a web form in order to ignore email advertising is covered under US Patent 4,005,544,202,499,003-A. If you attempt this, you will be charged with a patent violation."
"you should really sign up for Geocities Pro, if you're going to have slashdot traffic.:)"
Without Pro, your geocities site is slashdotted the instant the story goes live. With Pro, it takes about 15 minutes before your geocities site is gone.
"The fact is, nowhere on FAIR do they "admit" to being liberal"
They did. The term "progressive" is the one preferred by most leading-edge liberals any more. If anything, it is considered to be a little to the left of "liberal".
"You tried to use the dictionary to use weasel propaganda..."
The weaseling was on your side alone. You were using the term "propaganda!" in a fairly meaningless fashion in order to incite emotion in your support for massive censorship of political opinion you do not like. You sure got offended, and still do, when I deflated your appeal to emotion by pointing out what the word actually meant.
Thanks for your point-by-point deflation of Frankenlies. I knew they were wing-nuts anyway. The same is true of FAIR's war with Limbaugh. One of FAIR's points is that Rush Limbaugh lied when he said a story was on CBS News, because the story was actually news on CBS, not CBS News.
Yes, FAIR scores many good points against Limbaugh, but the whole thing between them is a battle of equals. Only a wing-nut would say that FAIR got them all right, or Limbaugh got them all right....and plenty of wing-nuts do this.
"but you are afraid to link to the definition for progressive [onelook.com]"
I did. You are having trouble now that I stumbled upon FAIR admitting its own political bias. As the term applies to politics, the definitions point you to look into "political progressives". Have you done this? Probably not. Or perhaps you did, and you are lying (like someone would be if defending a right-wing site as centrist found out that the site admitted it was "conservative").
"You can't even find anything to object to in FAIR or it's coverage yet."
I find them less objectable now that I found them admitting their political bias. You made them out to be worse than they were by calling them "centrist" even though they have obvious bias. If they did what you implied and called themselves centrists, they would have been blatant liars (even Limbaugh does not make such a mistake). However, I never found them terribly objectionable to begin with. They, like Fox News, have as much right to advocate for their causes as anyone does, even if someone might scream "propaganda!" and make a case for them being censored.
Goodbye. I hope some day you learn tolerance for differing opinions, and stop calling for the government to censor stuff that you don't think is "fair".
I guess the "tap to click" works if you are really slow with your GUI operations. I guess I am working too fast, and my "drag" operations get read as "clicks".
Actual mice don't have the problem of registering bogus clicks just by using the "point" part of the interface. Why should trackpads by any different?
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I took mine back when I found out that you could not point them at a settlement and see on the readout how many humanoid life forms there were in it, and that they were not capable of detecting nearby warp drive fields.
Silly. This IS a tech topic, because Bush ....once played a videogame! Yeah, that's it!
....it is tech news because someone could use Amazon to order a TI Graphing calculator. Silly question.
Q: Why do you question ludicrous "patent the fork" claims like the "One Click" Amazon patent?"
A: Because I HATE THE CONSTITUTION !!!!!
I said that they were proud that they were left-wing, and it is found in this quote (from their own web site). If they were not happy with it, they would hide it. I never said they they were part of a conspiracy I don't even believe in. So, no, it is not evidence of this. You keep creating this "left wing conspiracy" stuff. If I say Ralph Nader is left wing, your response would be that I said he was part of a vast conspiracy (and that he was not left wing even if he admits it!).
So, whenever you bring up vast conspiracies, you are debating with yourself. I never bring them up, and never argue them, except to point again and again the fact that I never mentioned them to begin with.
"Look at how he thinks. It's not "propaganda" - it's people being able to advocate their political causes in media."
So? That's pretty obvious. It's the same thing.
"without fairness, its some people being able to advocate their political causes in media. And others, not"
It is rather misleading to use the lower-case word "fairness" for specific "Fairness Doctrine". Fairness is fine with me. This long-dead doctrine is not. And, by the way, under the doctrine, some people were able to advocate and some were not. At least without it, people are more free to express themselves without offending censors.
"You can't find a single thing in their work to object to, you let go a lot of innuendos with nothing to back them up"
I referred specifically to their list of Limbaugh errors (which contained a few FAIR errors). These errors, I objected to. I also object to a supposed responsible organization getting into the gutter with Limbaugh by using juvenile insults against all of their political opponents. Specific items, even. Not "innuendo".
"You cannot find documentation for anything Franken has said that you think is dishonest, but claim you can" Do you want me to link to Franken's recent lie about Kerry's military service records?
"You then are forced to link in what you freely admit are additional conservative lies, that happen to be about Franken, yet claim that this is somehow equal."
Actually, it is equal. The left-wing Limbaugh bashers are as sloppy as the right-wing Franken bashers. However, I am not here to defend Limbaugh. I'm just here to point out that he is not the only hog rolling in the dirt: Franken does, too, even though you would excuse him because your politics are similar to his.
"What I am saying is that you are twisting words. Progressive, liberal, and democrat are all different concepts, just as conservative and republican are different".
Twisting words is what you just did by your straw-man insertion of party names there! Reword it to correct: progressive and liberal are concepts that almost entirely overlap just as conservative and traditional (an O'Reilly buzzword) do.
Look at the little liar, trying to invent some more crazy ideas to pin on others(in response to me saying that you find nothing wrong with left-wing screamers like Franken)
Yet, above in the same response, you once again bash one but not the other.
No, hardly a post goes by without you lying and pretending [The Fairness Doctrine] means censorship."
There is no pretending: that is what it does. If the Fairness Doctrine did not censor, it would have no effect (and I would not care about it at all). If the Fairness Doctrine had no impact on the ability of media programmers to program political content as they see fit (a matter that is between them and their audience), I would not care.
"Tell me more, AtariAmarok. Do you really find it odd to have to do any work to justify your claims?"
I especially find it odd now since the specific links you asked for were ignored. (Innuendo!!! Waaahhh!)
"I claim to want fairness in the mass media"
I want free spee
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Yes, I am an apologist for people being able to advocate their political causes in media. However, I have never called for censorship of such advocacy or other expression of political opinion. You have.
"You know what's great about our time together, AtariAmarok? Our conversation provides convenient, unimpeachable evidence that you are lying about this, and that you also probably know it
I provided analysis of a few of FAIR's claims many items ago. You chose to ignore it. Easier to say "liar!" than read.
"Limbaugh really is a liar. Franken really is just calling him out, along with others like him. They are not equal or even close.
They are both often liars, both often funny, and both often have great points. Whether or not you greatly favor one of the other shows which "side" you are on (of political bias).
"This is why you had to trot out that crap as a "response" to FAIR"
I see now that you totally chose to ignore this bogus claim that Limbaugh was a liar on the CBS News story because he capitalized (?) News.
"You haven't provided FAIR admitting to anything"
I provided a link to FAIR's own page about itself, that contained the admission.
"you are reduced to distorting the definitions of words in their misssion statement"
Are you now claiming that admitting being "progressive" is not the same as admitting to being on the left? How is this different from someone admitting being "conservative" not being on the political right?
"Following OT into other discussions is against the rules, AA. I know you're frustrated "
The old topic closed immediately after you added all the replies. The rules will be enforced with a down-modification, I'm sure.
"The man notoriously promotes himself as balanced; indeed, as the only source for the real truth."
He claims he is "a balance", not balanced. He always admits being conservative. In this (latter part), he is honest. "Source for real truth" is an example of his great arrogance. Come to think of it, your quote about Limbaugh fits yourself quite well. You claim to be centrist, but you only bash the right wing and find nothing wrong with left-wing screamers like Franken...and any left-wing argument is never pejoratively labeled as "propaganda"
"grouping responsible organizations together with propaganda organizations"
Whether or not one is responsible (a word you use for meaning "good!" here) or not, or one is propaganda (word for "bad!") or not, is up to the listener. It is not an objective measurement. You, with left-wing bias, call one good and the other bad. A conservative would say the opposite. I say they are equally good/bad: especially with an eye toward how the government should treat them: totally impartially.. All of the sides being discussed are politically biased argument groups.
" I've shown more tolerance than most would"
Yet, hardly a post goes by without you demanding Fox News and others be censored for their political opinion.
"you learned something from this process" I've learned nothing I've not seen before. Even the old thing of someone screaming "give me links!" who totally ignores them when they are provided, and refuses to give links themself when asked.
" so that you can win for the team"
The team I am on for this is the one for free speech.
"The world runs on the truth, though, whatever you claim"
It does indeed run on the truth. The danger is when someone, like Limbaugh or yourself, see their political opinion as the one truth. The best example of this was your use of your opinion about the Iraq war as support for the idea of censoring Fox News.
Ever hear of gmail? hotmail?
Ah. This explains the camera crews and digitizing teams combing downtown Detroit a few months ago.
"We have hereby launched an invasion of Syria in order to complete an investigation of whether it violated an American citizen's patent on WMD's".
I know it is off topic, but is this the typical "granny surf the web and write letters" situation? Try the Ubuntu live CD.
The two will likely merge, with today's spam list sellers producing software that is guaranteed to generate 100,000 software patents a day.
And don't dare to delete that spam. You will see a message in it that says "The methodology of pressing a delete screen button or similar control on a web form in order to ignore email advertising is covered under US Patent 4,005,544,202,499,003-A. If you attempt this, you will be charged with a patent violation."
Without Pro, your geocities site is slashdotted the instant the story goes live. With Pro, it takes about 15 minutes before your geocities site is gone.
When can we expect our new version of Frogger, then?
Aside from some fun skeet shooting, there is always eBay. I've considered this for my remaining tubes. They do have some value there.
They did. The term "progressive" is the one preferred by most leading-edge liberals any more. If anything, it is considered to be a little to the left of "liberal".
"You tried to use the dictionary to use weasel propaganda..."
The weaseling was on your side alone. You were using the term "propaganda!" in a fairly meaningless fashion in order to incite emotion in your support for massive censorship of political opinion you do not like. You sure got offended, and still do, when I deflated your appeal to emotion by pointing out what the word actually meant.
Thanks for your point-by-point deflation of Frankenlies. I knew they were wing-nuts anyway. The same is true of FAIR's war with Limbaugh. One of FAIR's points is that Rush Limbaugh lied when he said a story was on CBS News, because the story was actually news on CBS, not CBS News.
Yes, FAIR scores many good points against Limbaugh, but the whole thing between them is a battle of equals. Only a wing-nut would say that FAIR got them all right, or Limbaugh got them all right....and plenty of wing-nuts do this.
"but you are afraid to link to the definition for progressive [onelook.com]"
I did. You are having trouble now that I stumbled upon FAIR admitting its own political bias. As the term applies to politics, the definitions point you to look into "political progressives". Have you done this? Probably not. Or perhaps you did, and you are lying (like someone would be if defending a right-wing site as centrist found out that the site admitted it was "conservative").
"You can't even find anything to object to in FAIR or it's coverage yet."
I find them less objectable now that I found them admitting their political bias. You made them out to be worse than they were by calling them "centrist" even though they have obvious bias. If they did what you implied and called themselves centrists, they would have been blatant liars (even Limbaugh does not make such a mistake). However, I never found them terribly objectionable to begin with. They, like Fox News, have as much right to advocate for their causes as anyone does, even if someone might scream "propaganda!" and make a case for them being censored.
Goodbye. I hope some day you learn tolerance for differing opinions, and stop calling for the government to censor stuff that you don't think is "fair".
A friggen shark with a friggen laser array mounted on its forehead takes care of those flamethrower-equipped dogs.
Response: This is the Microsoft automailer, "Maily". This problem appears to be your fault. Can I help?
Let's set them loose on Bill Gate's Doodle. It's worth an $800,000 Pentagon contract, init?
This is because the cultural heart of old Russia and the Russian ethnic group is located in the area around Moscow. That is in Europe.
"Egypt is similar, and is simultaneously in Asia as well as Africa"
Turkey is in a similar situation. A chunk of it is in Europe proper, but the rest is in Asia.
Actual mice don't have the problem of registering bogus clicks just by using the "point" part of the interface. Why should trackpads by any different?
see subject.
"Any idea where I misplaced Steve Ballmer's stool sample?"
Looks like they too made the mistake of not putting the device in the center. The 10% who are leftiees are shut out of using this thing.
Excuse me while I go consult the "I Ching" to find out whether Microsoft intends to embed Internet Explorer in "Office 2007".