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Ubisoft to Publish Puzzle Pirates

Ubisoft announced this morning that they have come to an agreement with 3 Rings Design to publish Puzzle Pirates in retail stores. This exciting news couldn't come for a better game, winner of the IGF 2004 Technical Excellence and Audience Awards for Online games. From the Puzzle Pirates site: "Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates is an online game in which you play a Pirate character in an ocean world. Hundreds of your fellow player Pirates swarm these Isles and Sea-lanes. For Pirates who love acronyms, Puzzle Pirates is an massively multi-player online roleplaying game, or mmoarrrrpg." Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates is available for Demo on PC/Mac/Linux.

151 comments

  1. Great Game by Skidge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Puzzle Pirates is a great game. I played it for about 6 months quite regularly and had a great crew of people from around the world that I played and chatted with. Lots of fun. Then I got a new job and had little time to play and my account lapsed. (Also, I installed World of Warcraft :) There's only room for one MMOG in my life at a time now.)

    Anyway, I highly recommend it if anyone's looking for a change of pace from MMORPG grinding. And, if any Marine Knights are reading, Rhodes didn't die, he just put his fleet into drydock for a while. :)

    1. Re:Great Game by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed. Honestly, it's the best community I've ever seen in an MMORPG (mostly because it seems to be a bit of an older one, attracting both men and women in their mid-20s). It has an entirely player run economy, very active devs and player support staff (OceanMasters are always on and always available to help), and it generates a sense of teamwork I haven't seen in any other game (effectively, you puzzle together to keep a ship afloat and running well).

      Give it a try, you can download the client and play it for a week free.

      - Spoom
      Captain of the Monkey Hunters
      Prince of Angels and Demons
      Evil-Eyed Peglegged Monkey Pirate

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    2. Re:Great Game by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      I unfortunately paid for a 6-month subscription a few weeks before things got really busy and I haven't played since. The game was really fun although you still get sort of level-grinding happening, except you do puzzles. It's OK, and that's that I'm not a fan of MMORPGOSOs or whatever.

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    3. Re:Great Game by Rei · · Score: 3, Funny

      Is there any competitiveness? I mean, the whole point of being a pirate is learning insults so that you'll be good in a swordfight.

      "You fight like a dairy farmer!"
      "How appropriate. You fight like a cow."

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    4. Re:Great Game by cowscows · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a lot of competitiveness, if you go looking for it. And it manifests itself on a few different levels. There's things like one-on-one sword fighting and swordfighting (or drinking) tournaments. There's PVP sea battles. On a larger scale, flags (allied groupings of crews) can wage war on each other, and battle for control of the different islands in the game. There's actually some pretty intense political wrangling going on within the game, if you wish to get involved in it.

      As for character development competitivness, there's an ingame economy, so there are of course people who's whole motivation is to amass more money than everyone else. The game does also give you stats on your performance in different puzzles, although you're ranked in more general categories (novice, able, respected, master, ultimate, etc...), instead of seeing a numerical value, sort of like how karma works on /. now.

      Usually when there's insults flying, it's good natured, except on the puzzle pirate forums, which I tend to avoid.

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  2. [tt] And in other news by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    PiratesBay to pirate Puzzle Pirates.

    Must be a SLOW news day.

  3. Open Letter to Michael.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Dearest Michael,

    It's been 4 long hours since I left your apartment. You looked so innocent as you slept. I kissed your cheek but a tear landed on your face. Thankfully you didn't wake up.

    I can't go on like this, Michael. Yes, yes, yes; I have strong feelings for you but I've been so used. When I submit stories to slashdot and you accept them I just know that my bum is in for abuse that night. Certainly the money we split from the advertising should cover that part of our business arrangement, yes?

    We never cuddle anymore. You never ask how my day was. When I get home you just say "Well, Roland, I accepted another submission" with your penis already erect and lubricated awaiting me. You never kiss me anymore. You never stroke my hand or send me flowers.

    I cannot continue to be used like this.

    It's over, Michael. Please don't try to find me.

    Roland P.

    769bfa901720ca09dd5fda25d1acdea2
    1. Re:Open Letter to Michael.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    2. Re:Open Letter to Michael.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Holy Moly, is Mikey gone? Will he be working for Roland P.? Will Michael become The Bitch (read above troll)?
      INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW

    3. Re:Open Letter to Michael.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! Editor owned by outrageous faggotry, film at 11.

    4. Re:Open Letter to Michael.... by MatW · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Somebody is going to walk the plank for this...

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  4. Yohoho! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weird, I thought Yahoo! was selling one of their online games.

  5. Yes, but... by rufo · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...will it be published on September 19th?

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  6. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let the bad pirate jokes begin!

  7. This has been popular... by GillBates0 · · Score: 1
    Puzzle Pirates is an massively multi-player online roleplaying game

    on P2P networks for quite a while.

    The network IS the game...

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  8. How long.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before Yohoho! gets sued by Yahoo! in a Mikerowesoft-esque name grabbing frenzy?

  9. Age groups by dsginter · · Score: 5, Funny

    The game is rated "Arrrr!" for pirates.

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    1. Re:Age groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA -- hell, R the F'ing Slashdot writeup! Your stupid joke is in there already.

    2. Re:Age groups by hoagieslapper · · Score: 1

      I thought it was rated "Arrrrr" for booty.

    3. Re:Age groups by Rev+Wally · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't you mean "Arrr! TFA"

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  10. Multi-platform, eh? by Paolo+DF · · Score: 2, Informative

    Strange, I just finished reading the 8-pages comments about Mac VS Wintel, where someone stated that good games don't get published simultaneously for PC and ;ac, and then we read that this new game is published at the same time for PC, Mac and Linux. Good!

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    1. Re:Multi-platform, eh? by Tobias+Luetke · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is because its written in Java. A fine choice for this kind of game I want to add.

      Its great to see people using the right tools for the job.

    2. Re:Multi-platform, eh? by eakerin · · Score: 1

      In this case, the developers primary development platform is linux, Debian is their flavor.

      It running natively on linux is the only reason I started playing in the first place. I'm glad I did though, it's a fun game.

    3. Re:Multi-platform, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      But it doesn't have multi-shadered texture-pixel-pooping shadows!!!oneelevenone!!!

      Ohwait, it's actual fun ? Damn ;)

  11. I hate windows apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I should have downloaded the Linux version. The Windows version required admin status to install and then locked up "Trying to auto-detect proxy settings..." I can't even kill the stupid thing. I know there's some way to bring up a task manager with admin powers, but the instructions I found on the web didn't work.

    1. Re:I hate windows apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have detailed instructions for how to install Puzzle Pirates in an arbitrary folder without admin powers. If you have issues with the auto-detection of proxy settings, fetch me a copy of your logfiles and I'll help you work around the problem. Please open a request in Technical Issues (http://www.puzzlepirates.com/community/viewforum. php?f=9) and I'll get back to you.

      Liz, volunteer tech support

    2. Re:I hate windows apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're supposed to say everything in pirate talk when referring to a game about pirates, yarrr.

    3. Re:I hate windows apps by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Try pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL and selecting "Task Manager". Or going to the RUN option on the start menu and typing taskmgr as the program name to run.

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      Sometimes my arms bend back.
    4. Re:I hate windows apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you checked to see if you're running a recent version of Java? Someone just reported a similar issue to me, and his/her logs showed Java 1.3.1, where Y!PP requires Java 1.4.2 or higher to run.

      http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html - download the JRE (links is in the second full-width box)

  12. 10 dollars a month by CedgeS · · Score: 0, Troll

    $10 per month is way too much to pay for any computer game.

    1. Re:10 dollars a month by hattig · · Score: 1

      It's okay if you play for at least 10 hours a month, $1/hour isn't that bad for personal entertainment you know. $5/m would be a nicer price, sure, maybe a "buy a year of online gaming" package.

      I'm sure that many geeks here have paid hundreds of dollars for an hour of personal entertainment ...

      So ... the money is in the online gaming, yes? So, err, how much will Ubisoft be selling the game in stores for, or will that include a month or two of free play?

    2. Re:10 dollars a month by chris09876 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I disagree. Movies are about the same cost, and you get a lot less entertainment out of them. Obviously it depends on the person - some people like playing online games, and some people don't. ...but for those people who like it, $10 is quite a deal.

      I do agree that they should (a) make the game free to download if they're going to charge monthly, and (b) do some scaling on the price, so if you play less than 1 hour/month for example, you get the month free... ..., but you can really get quite a bit of entertainment from a multiplayer online game.

    3. Re:10 dollars a month by shaka999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not the way I see it.

      I usually have one online game that I pay for at a time. The ~$15 I pay is by far cheaper than other types of entertainment.

      Been to the movies lately? Played a round of golf? Bowling? A bar?

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    4. Re:10 dollars a month by glenrm · · Score: 1

      I don't think this is true. I actually save money by playing a MMORPG. I am currently playing World or Warcraft and before that City of Heroes. I pay 15 or so dollars a month, but I don't buy any other games while I am doing this. Before I started playing MMORPG I would by a new game for at least $29.95 or higher each month and would generally buy 1 or 2 DVDs more each month than I currently buy. It is not just consoles and piracy (arggh!) that have taken a bite out of computer game sales, it is MMORPG as well. For me they are a money saver...

    5. Re:10 dollars a month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a lot cheaper if you buy in bulk. $75 for a year, or $20 for the first 3 months - which drops the price quite a bit.

      -Liz

    6. Re:10 dollars a month by L0phtpDK · · Score: 1
      $10 per month is way too much to pay for any computer game.
      Well this is what the world is coming to my friend... Monthly costs for entertainment is has been proven to be something customers are willing to endure... and the developers are showing that they will meet with demand: Microsoft making streaming games for its new system... Monthly fees for video/game renting services... etc etc. Either jump on board or get left at shore (no pun intended with the puzzle pirates theme). Also, with the advances of Ultra Wideband internet and IP Entertainment (IPTV), you're looking at a new era of marketing: Complete Streaming Virtual Media... at a monthly cost. Now as for it being to much, well... if it sells, then the public is ok with the price (i'm ok with it...), if it doesn't... then they will lower it :). Simple Economics. Also take into consideration that they have to pay for their connection for you to even PLAY their game... and the maintenance that goes along with that. Look at Blizzard.... they are selling the game on the shelf for ~$40 (well... they WERE selling them) and then hitting the customer with a ~$12 monthly charge... and they are doing quadruple of what they initially expected.
    7. Re:10 dollars a month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      At least at a bar, you don't need to associate with a bunch of MMORPG nerds :P

    8. Re:10 dollars a month by Tuffsnake · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I pay less than that each month for halo 2 online

    9. Re:10 dollars a month by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Believe me, no one is getting rich at $10/month. I know one of the folks on the inside of this game, and as much as he would like to be rich, $10/month at the player level isn't going to do it. Less may attract a few more players, more may run most of them off... but, really, if you like the game, can't you dig around in your pocket and pay 3 Rings what you'd pay Dominos for the one pizza you eat while you're playing the game, one time that month? And the game lasts all month, unlike that pizza. Wake up! Even people in the Great Wrkers' Paradise of San Francisco have to earn actual cash to pay the rent, though broadband wireless at park benches may soon solve that whole work-from-home thing.

      Good for 3 Rings, and good for the players. Haaarrr!

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    10. Re:10 dollars a month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      $10 per month is way too much to pay for any computer game.

      You got that right, brother.

      A good game is maybe worth $1 a month. That's a typical game which cost about $60 and has replay value for about 5 years. Now i'm expected to pay an order of magnitude more for a game? I don't think so. You can count me out of this "pay-per-play" gaming revolution. Thankfully I don't have to pay an exhorbitant amount of money to have fun reading books or playing cards or sports with friends.

      Ten fucking dollars a month. Not in this lifetime.

    11. Re:10 dollars a month by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Yes and to play an FPS online on a PC such as oh say BattleField 1942/Vietnam, Counter Strike, Unreal Tournament etc. costs exactly $0 a month after the initial purchase. And there are many great mods for these games too.

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    12. Re:10 dollars a month by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Why is it too much? How much do you pay for your internet access? How much does your cable TV cost (if you have it)? How much do you spend on luxery goods each month? How much do you spend on DVD rental, cinema tickets, books, magazines and newspapers a month? How much do you spend on entertainment a month?

      $10 for a months entertainment is good value, whichever way you cut the cake. Kudos to these guys for making it that low.

    13. Re:10 dollars a month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There's lots of free entertainment.

      Downloaded a movie lately? Visited a park? Seen an art show? Had sex?

      Oh, wait, this is Slashdot. You've probably only done the first one.

    14. Re:10 dollars a month by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I do fear that one day FPS will have subscription fees like the MMORPG model. You know video game companies nowadays, they do some crazy ass things.

    15. Re:10 dollars a month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I played this game for a while. It was fun. However, I agree, it is too expensive.

      10$ a month sounds like a deal. But lets face it, it is nothing more than 6 versions of Tetris, with a bit of economy included, all hinged to Tetris like game play. Was it fun, sure. Did I play it a lot, sure. The problem with it, is that by the end of a couple of weeks of fairly heavy play, I didn't want to play it every day. By the time my renewal came up, I felt like playing once a week. That makes it about 2.50 per session. To play Tetris.

      It is a great game, I really did enjoy it. But it should be more in the realm of a $25 dollar one shot fee, unlimited online play. There is no way in hell (IMO) that it is worth $70 per year (let alone $120 if you don't commit to the full year up front). I will admit that I was never a fan of subscription based games, and this one reinforced that opinion.

      I do hope the developers have much success with the game, they did a great job, and deserve some hefty credit. But $120/year, for Tetris? Seems a little rich for a new wrapper on a game from the 80's.

    16. Re:10 dollars a month by mogwai_merritt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Puzzle Pirates *is* free to download, with Win, Mac, and Linux clients. What are the Prices? Pricing for Puzzle Pirates is as follows: Monthly: $9.95 / month. Quarterly: $19.95 / first quarter, $24.95 / subsequent. [ $7.90 / month average over a year ] Annually: $74.95 / year. [ $6.25 / month ]

    17. Re:10 dollars a month by DJenk47 · · Score: 1

      Should have gotten in on the beta, best $70 for a two year membership I ever spent.
      Especially for such an awesome game!

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    18. Re:10 dollars a month by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Almost as much as buying Doom3 + Half Life + Far Cry

      All for Wolfenstein 3d.

      Not saying you did that, but many people did.

      I have to admit that when I got busy I couldn't justify paying that much either. Especially since there is no real leveling and I lost very little. Not saying no leveling is bad, I prefered it, it just made the game a lot easier to walk away from.

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    19. Re:10 dollars a month by TheSpoom · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:10 dollars a month by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't dispute your point. And, yes, I have a pile of FPS games, that are basically all the same thing as far as game play goes. The one significant difference is, I paid for those games once, and have never had to pay a nickel to play them online since.

      To show why I do not like the subscription based game services. I got Half-life in the fall of 1999, lets say November. If it had been 10US a month to play, I would have paid over 600US for that game to date. Was it a great game? Damn right. Is it worth 600US, no freakin way. I got Doom3 when it came out, based on a monthly fee, I would have already paid more on a per month basis than I did retail.

      If PP had been offered with a lifetime account (like the offer the Beta testers had available to them), I would have probably paid for it. If I had kept my original account active, I would have shelled out more for a 2D Java game than I have for any other game that I own (in most cases more than any two other games I own once you convert those US dollars to local currency on the old CC).

      As I said in my original post, I really wish the developers well, they did a fantastic job, and they produced a very fun game. When I played it, I really enjoyed it. But after paying 19.99 for the first 3 months (28.00 local), I thought screw that, I am not going to shell out another 30.00 dollars to play tetris.

      I guess the problem is the games wide appeal. The Evercrack crowd loves the RPG part, and are accustomed to paying monthly to play, so it is not an issue. I liked the game part, and didn't much care for the RPG parts. I am not used to paying a monthly fee to play games I have already paid for, and frankly, never will.

      To summarize:

      Props to the developers, great work.
      A curse to the marketing flunkies who set the pricing model.

    21. Re:10 dollars a month by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      FWIW
      when I cancelled my account recently I sent an email saying I didn't have time to go out on raids that last a while to get into them ans if you are captaining the ship you really need to get somewhere to logoff. So I was paying for what to me was internet spades (I love spades, but wouldn't pay for it). I suggested and hourly fee, or 10 day pass that could work on any 10 24 hour periods over as long a time as wanted. Cleaver emailed me back saying they had something new in the works and to look out for it, so I wonder if this is related, and if the box will have a lower fee or some such.

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  13. Re:I wonder... by grub · · Score: 3, Funny
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  14. Puzzle Ninjas is better by nicholasharbour · · Score: 3, Funny

    because ninjas are better. simple fact. ninjas are cutting off heads while pirates a trying to find buried treasure. its a simple choice, if you ask me.

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    1. Re:Puzzle Ninjas is better by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Funny

      /me kicks parent in the face with his pegleg

      Arr, ye wish to say that again there, sonny Jim?

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    2. Re:Puzzle Ninjas is better by operagost · · Score: 2

      And ninjas flip out. Don't forget that!

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    3. Re:Puzzle Ninjas is better by snuf23 · · Score: 2

      Yeah flip out an kill people. All the time. Because that's what Ninjas do.

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    4. Re:Puzzle Ninjas is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      You're just jealous that ninjas have real ultimate power.

      http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm

    5. Re:Puzzle Ninjas is better by Davgeary · · Score: 1

      So, instead of an apartment full of treasure you'd have one full of severed heads? How are severed heads better than treasure? You can't even make a decent casserole from them.

      Dave

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    6. Re:Puzzle Ninjas is better by kosmicki · · Score: 1

      I dare say ye have not tried me pirate recipe for head casserole. Though we never be willin ta share it with the scurvy ninja!

  15. Please Click the Advertisement by Natchswing · · Score: 0

    Ubisoft paid good money to get this earth-shattering bit of information posted on the front page of Slashdot. Please click the links and wander through the site a bit so your favorite news source stays in business.

    1. Re:Please Click the Advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever consider that perhaps puzzle pirates is just a good game?

  16. What a terrible idea by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously... what a horrible idea. It was great as an online subscription game. Free game, $10 a month to play (much cheaper if you buy quarterly or yearly). But to charge people another $20? I don't think they'll recover the cost to produce/box/ship the game. They should simply sell it as a CD in a CD case for like $5 as they do with some demo discs for those with slow broadband connections.

    Plus the PC game market is falling prey to the console market with its teenage-type games, and the only people look for is graphics.

    I've seen far too many 'really good' games die off because they thought they'd play well sitting next to the latest fad game (ie - grand theft auto).

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    1. Re:What a terrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From the FAQ on the box release:
      Cleaver wrote:
      Your play experience will be unchanged save that you might see the odd person with something that you can't normally buy.

      People have no obligation to buy the box over the download in order to play on the servers, but offline puzzling is an awfully handy idea IMHO.

      -Liz

    2. Re:What a terrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Box comes with a free month of play. Also there are much cheaper options if you commit to more than one month at a time.

    3. Re:What a terrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The retail version includes a simple single player mode, unique in-game item, and a free month subscription. You can still download and pay as before and are not required to purchase the box set. For more information see http://www.puzzlepirates.com/community/viewtopic.p hp?t=15118

    4. Re:What a terrible idea by Babbster · · Score: 1

      a) There are people who don't hear about games until they're featured in magazines or actually appear on store shelves.
      b) Packaging a game differently from other games can turn off those who only pay attention to the "big box" titles. I'm a game addict from way back who doesn't have to have the "latest, greatest" and I still only look at the cheap jewel cases when I'm either hunting for a specific older title or shopping for someone else (my mom likes casino and pinball and dad likes card games, so many selections can be found in the "bargain bin").
      c) Finally, you will still be able to get the game via download. You won't get whatever special item they include with the boxed version, nor will you get the single-player material, but you can still play the "real" game.

  17. I put on my robe and wizard hat by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > For Pirates who love acronyms, Puzzle Pirates is an massively multi-player online roleplaying game, or mmoarrrrpg."

    Fresh on the heels of the Wired sex columnist who recommends MMORPGs as the place to cyber, we now have a pirate-themed MMORPG.

    sweet17: What do you need me to do?
    Bloodninja: I need you talk like a pirate.
    sweet17: ???
    Bloodninja: When I start to go limp... you say "HARRRR!!!"
    Bloodninja: ok?
    Bloodninja: Hello?
    sweet17: You can't be serious
    Bloodninja: Oh yes I am!

    I guess it's time to put on my robe and wizard hat and, umm... HARRRRRRRRRR!

    1. Re:I put on my robe and wizard hat by keyne9 · · Score: 1
      Actually, from that very article, she wrote this:
      But even if you join a game for the sole purpose of cybersex -- which I don't recommend -- you will not be able to sustain yourself in the game world long enough to find the good stuff.
  18. Perfect solution for the MMORPG problem! by MBraynard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    See this. Game Rankings really got an unbalanced percentage. Anyway, onto my comments.

    I played this game for a while. It has a lot of depth and it solves the BIGGEST problem in MMORPG - namely idiots with a lot of time can dominate you. With this game, intelligence counts for a lot - namely your ability to do tetris-style puzzles.

    It also has a lot of teamwork - you need to work together to get a ship from port to port. It also has a big time element - it takes time to build new swords, to buy a new ship, etc.

    Or if you want, you can just stand in the town center and duel people for money.

    1. Re:Perfect solution for the MMORPG problem! by CatsCradle · · Score: 1

      "With this game, intelligence counts for a lot - namely your ability to do tetris-style puzzles." Yeah, because my 6 year old brother can't figure out tetris ...

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    2. Re:Perfect solution for the MMORPG problem! by David+Rolfe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or you can stand around in bars AND DRINK. :-D MUaha.

      Yeah, if you loved Puzzle Fighter you will LOVE sword fighting. And the team sword fights on the high seas are awesome. I totally agree with the parent poster -- Puzzle Pirates is to fun because it's not about you being 'level awesome' and me being 'level suck' because it's really about wits and spatial relationships. It's kinda the same thing that makes (forgive me) Counter-Strike fun, because it's not about how great your character is, or your +39 Sword of Mole Slaying or whatever...

      Another plus is that it's not as Urgent as other mmmorpgs (or even Trade Wars ;). You can just pop on whenever, team up with your crew, or job with a friendly Flag and just have some fun and community.

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    3. Re:Perfect solution for the MMORPG problem! by Leadhyena · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately someone will eventually build a AI solver for the puzzles, run it side by side with the game, and then your idiots will once again dominate. You can't keep idiots away forever.

    4. Re:Perfect solution for the MMORPG problem! by MBraynard · · Score: 1
      He can probably figure out chess too - but that doesn't make him a grand master. Thanks for your snootie comment. Go back to your level treadmill.

      Seriously, this game is driven by creative thinking. There are differnet kinds of puzzles though they mostly all involve arranging shapes and colors. The point is if you are good at this, you will win against others who are not as good.

      However, time invested does not count for nothing - you can invest in better tools with your credits ("swords") that give you a little leg up in dueling.

    5. Re:Perfect solution for the MMORPG problem! by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      In this situation, it's probably much easier to slightly alter the puzzle than to create a program to keep up with the changes.

  19. Haha! by Tickenest · · Score: 1

    Puzzle Pirates is an massively multi-player online roleplaying game, or mmoarrrrpg.

    I just want to say that that line made my day!
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  20. Cross-platform via Java by Rescate · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the Installation FAQ:

    Puzzle Pirates has been developed in Java. This has given Three Rings a lot of advantages, in particular being able to run on Windows, Mac and Linux.

    Disclaimer: I'm not saying this makes it awesome, or that Java rules, or that it couldn't be done another way, or that cross-platform Java doesn't have its problems, etc. etc. etc. I'm just shedding some light on how it was "published at the same time for PC, Mac and Linux," by quoting directly from the FAQ.

  21. Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I roleplay as an undead warlock pirate on WoW. There's your mmoarrrrrrrrpg for ya!

  22. In other News... by Tezkah · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news EA has entered into an exclusive licensing agreement with the American Pirate Association. The deal, reportadly worth $5 billion US, gives EA a monopoly over Pirate Related games for a period of 250 years.

    James Blackbeard, president of the APA declined to say which deserted island he would deposit the booty at.

    It is not clear how this deal affects software pirates.

  23. Serious fun, Win or Mac by David+Rolfe · · Score: 3, Informative

    I loved Puzzle pirates, and have been kicking myself for a year for not taking them up on the lifetime membership that was offered to beta testers. I'd love to play it, but just can't justify the monthly fee.

    I'm really happy for the guys at Three Rings.

    If it's not mentioned somewhere else, the Mac performance is weird (graphic trails, messed up transparency), but it's not Three Rings' fault, the JVM in Panther (so far) doesn't completely support the image object they use. I forget the name. I talked to the java-dev mailing list about it and a forth coming JVM will fix it. I don't know anything about when :-D Still very playable though, it's just not as polished as when running under the Sun x86 Jvm, I guess be forwarned if you are running out to the store to buy it.

    (Caveat, never tried running it under Linux)

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  24. So, what de problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He used lube. What the hell more do you want?

  25. Pff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Butt Pirates

  26. With this in mind... by Dracolytch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been thinking about opening the source to PirateTrader and PirateTrader OCR (http://dracosoftware.com/piratetrader/), because I'm too busy to do it all by myself.

    They're assitants for Puzzle Pirates that are Terms-of-use friendly with the game.

    Anyone want to help?
    ~D

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    1. Re:With this in mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RevDanCatt and I would be happy to incorporate PirateTrader into RustyCutlass.org - you know how to find me.

      -Liz

  27. ... All the avatars look like ... by ninjagin · · Score: 1
    ... teletubbies. At least to me. I like the pirate concept, though.

    Are all of the puzzles tetris-ish? Is it possible to play the game without doing any puzzles?

    Can anyone offer some of their experience with it?

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    1. Re:... All the avatars look like ... by Drawkcab · · Score: 2, Informative

      The graphics are intentionally cartoonish. I would have said they look like fisher price people. The game has an intentionally light atmosphere, so if you want to look intimidating its the wrong place.

      You really can't play if you don't like puzzle games. Each of the games is different though, so its possible to play if you don't like any one particular game. You can choose which role to play on a crew based on which puzzles you prefer. But the one puzzle that you really can't avoid is the sea battle puzzle in which the entire crew participates. Fortunately no matter how poor you are your team still has a decent chance.

    2. Re:... All the avatars look like ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I played for a few months, and it was a blast.

      The puzzles aren't all tetris-like, some are more like DrMario, Bejeweled, and other more original ones. They are all pretty fun, and get challenging on highger difficulty levels.

      Once you've played for a while, you don't "have" to play the puzzles if you've been made an officer in a crew and can make a living trading commodities, but the quickest way to get cash is definetly pillaging (which involves doing puzzles). Of course, after you've been playing for a few months you'll probably be really good at the puzzles and enjoy them more than when you first start, but perhaps that was just me.

    3. Re:... All the avatars look like ... by merlin_jim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are all of the puzzles tetris-ish? Is it possible to play the game without doing any puzzles?

      Can anyone offer some of their experience with it?


      while there are a few dropping blocks puzzles, I would hesitate to call them tetris-ish. The main puzzle for swabbies, sailing, is very reminiscent of Dr. Mario, however.

      I've found the puzzles to be quite varied and engaging.

      It is not possible to play the game without doing any puzzles. Practically any task you want to do is based on a puzzle. And how well you do on the puzzle is reflected, both in how productive you were at the task, and in your personal reputation in the game.

      Though you can freelance, a lot of people join a crew. Whether you've joined a crew or not, there are temporary crew positions open pretty much all the time. However if you are not in a permanent crew, you can't become an officer, which means no ships for you.

      A ship needs a crew of from 6 to about 30 to operate. Any spots not filled by a person can be filled by a (generally average) AI bot, at the discretion of the captain. There are three main duties on a ship, sailing, bilging, and carpentry. In addition, you have the more advanced duties of gunning and navigation. I would highly recommend going on a naval ship to practice gunning as that's a skill that's in high demand, especially since if you need someone to gun on a ship, you need them to do it well. Kind of a chicken and egg problem.

      Landside there are plenty of crafting type puzzles to do. Most pirates have a few landside jobs as well as their piratical duties. In fact, the economy is based on it. I personally love distilling.

      There are a few versus mode puzzles, swordfighting and the drinking game can be played for a wager (swordfighting is also played between two ships when one intercepts the other) plus there's some in-game card games.

      I've been a subscriber for a few months, logging on maybe twice a week. Every time I go in it seems like they've improved a part of the game. Updates are frequent, but relatively speedy over my broadband connection.

      P.S. I'm Mrln in the game if anyone wants to say hi real quick.

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    4. Re:... All the avatars look like ... by smitke · · Score: 1

      I don't know about teletubbies but I would say they have a striking resemblence to Playmobil

      Especially the Pirate Playmobil

    5. Re:... All the avatars look like ... by sin1man · · Score: 1

      Not to insult Mrln but his answers were rather inaccurate. There are 7 different types of boats. The smallest size can be handled fairly easily by yourself where as the largest boat can hold 150 people (but needs about 70-80 to run well.
      Every action except chat involves a puzzle of some sort. Otherwise Mrln is basically correct. There are many many different puzzles and you can usually find yourself to be very good and like a few of them. I have been playing now for about 9 months. I log on every day, it is great fun and certainly worth the $25 I pay every quarter.

  28. Pirate Talk by David+Rolfe · · Score: 1

    If you don't like repititious pirate jokes you will hate Puzzle Pirates.

    Part of the fun is talking like a pirate to everyone for a few hours a week. :-D

    Ahoy, mateys. I see ye be quaffing a pint o' grog. Mind if I sit in with ye? Arrrrr!

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  29. It's a multiplayer online game by tepples · · Score: 1

    PiratesBay to pirate Puzzle Pirates.

    Is an infringing copy of EverQuest worth much? Without a paid-up account key, you can't log on to EverQuest or Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates.

  30. [tt]:It's a multiplayer online game by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    Is an infringing copy of EverQuest worth much?
    Nowadays, about the same as an uninfringing copy ... evercrack ain't all it's cracked up to be anymore.

    I haven't heard a story in waht 6 months, about parents having to lock up their kids or get them to deprogrammers because of evercrack addiction.

    I can see it now "Little Johnny won't stop going "Arr, matey, pass the bloody ketchup." at the supper table".

    Maybe they should let Valve handle it - they've got technology that is notorious for getting people all steamed up, which is the real indicator of how addicted people are. They're not going "Fuck this shit - I'm going elsewhere" - which is the rational thing to do; they're staying and taking it up the ass.

  31. Pirates launched for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it a coincidence that this is announced on the same day as the solar sail story? Ships ahoy!

  32. A positive sign for all independent developers by Concern · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a great day for Three Rings; they have my hearty congratulations for surviving and then succeeding in the face of the withering trials of a small independent game developer.

    Without a giant corporate bankroll and without any notice from the retail distribution "trust," they succeeded in launching really distinct and fun proprietary content, creating a thriving community, and finally just being so plain good that the majors were forced to notice.

    I wish them all the success in the world, not only because they've clearly earned it, but because their story is a potential wind shift for smaller independent developers everywhere. Maybe the publishing system is finally seeing the costs of its hubris about budgets, "3dism," genre-lock and dealing with little guys, and realizing the value in doing smaller more unconventional deals.

    There is an enormous untapped talent pool out there on the internet; Three Rings is one of many little guys who are doing great things way outside the norms of video game "Hollywood." Recognizing them, and fitting them into the distribution system in some meaningful way, would be a good thing for the industry, a great thing for gamers.

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    1. Re:A positive sign for all independent developers by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      "The fact is, nowhere on FAIR do they "admit" to being liberal"

      They did. The term "progressive" is the one preferred by most leading-edge liberals any more. If anything, it is considered to be a little to the left of "liberal".

      "You tried to use the dictionary to use weasel propaganda..."

      The weaseling was on your side alone. You were using the term "propaganda!" in a fairly meaningless fashion in order to incite emotion in your support for massive censorship of political opinion you do not like. You sure got offended, and still do, when I deflated your appeal to emotion by pointing out what the word actually meant.

      Thanks for your point-by-point deflation of Frankenlies. I knew they were wing-nuts anyway. The same is true of FAIR's war with Limbaugh. One of FAIR's points is that Rush Limbaugh lied when he said a story was on CBS News, because the story was actually news on CBS, not CBS News.

      Yes, FAIR scores many good points against Limbaugh, but the whole thing between them is a battle of equals. Only a wing-nut would say that FAIR got them all right, or Limbaugh got them all right....and plenty of wing-nuts do this.

      "but you are afraid to link to the definition for progressive [onelook.com]"

      I did. You are having trouble now that I stumbled upon FAIR admitting its own political bias. As the term applies to politics, the definitions point you to look into "political progressives". Have you done this? Probably not. Or perhaps you did, and you are lying (like someone would be if defending a right-wing site as centrist found out that the site admitted it was "conservative").

      "You can't even find anything to object to in FAIR or it's coverage yet."

      I find them less objectable now that I found them admitting their political bias. You made them out to be worse than they were by calling them "centrist" even though they have obvious bias. If they did what you implied and called themselves centrists, they would have been blatant liars (even Limbaugh does not make such a mistake). However, I never found them terribly objectionable to begin with. They, like Fox News, have as much right to advocate for their causes as anyone does, even if someone might scream "propaganda!" and make a case for them being censored.

      Goodbye. I hope some day you learn tolerance for differing opinions, and stop calling for the government to censor stuff that you don't think is "fair".

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    2. Re:A positive sign for all independent developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey buddy, wrong thread

    3. Re:A positive sign for all independent developers by Concern · · Score: 1

      They did.

      You can say they did, but you never gave any reason to believe you, and you gave dozens of reasons to know you are lying.

      I deflated your appeal to emotion by pointing out what the word actually meant.

      Do you mind if I say I kind of liked this line? "Appeal to emotion." I think you really were trying to end strong.

      I'm surprised your singled out appealing to emotion, though. You are one of the least rational people I've met on slashdot, and that's saying something. I figured you would know that emotion is all you've got.

      Your an apologist for propagandists, and a proponent of censorship in th mass media. You like to use weasel words to make it sound better, and it lets us know you realize how bad your ideas sound.

      Thanks for your point-by-point deflation of Frankenlies. I knew they were wing-nuts anyway. The same is true of FAIR's war with Limbaugh. ... the whole thing between them is a battle of equals.

      You know what's great about our time together, AtariAmarok? Our conversation provides convenient, unimpeachable evidence that you are lying about this, and that you also probably know it.

      Limbaugh really is a liar. Franken really is just calling him out, along with others like him. They are not equal or even close.

      This is why you had to trot out that crap as a "response" to FAIR. This is why I can expose your right-wing propaganda point by point. This is also why you cannot do the same.

      Pretending you don't have to is just a juvenile way of admitting it.

      Repeating yourself so vehemently when caught is your way of telling us that you really don't like how completely busted you are, but don't know what else to do about it.

      IYou are having trouble now that I stumbled upon FAIR admitting its own political bias.

      You haven't provided FAIR admitting to anything; you are reduced to distorting the definitions of words in their misssion statement, and you have so far not found a single actual thing they have done that you can object to.

      This shows us you are wrong, and your vehemence and bad behavior as a result tells us about your character.

      they have obvious bias.

      That you cannot find a single example of.

      even Limbaugh does not make such a mistake

      Here we see your lying really does know no bounds. The man notoriously promotes himself as balanced; indeed, as the only source for the real truth.

      They, like Fox News

      And here we have another example of what you love - grouping responsible organizations together with propaganda organizations, so that you can make the propaganda you like look better.

      I hope some day you learn tolerance for differing opinions

      As anyone reading our exchange would probably agree, in the face of your really awful behavior, I've shown more tolerance than most would. That's because I sense your contrition and embarassment, your struggle to make the facts fit your obviously wrong ideas - your inner torment with the inadequacy of the world to conform to your cheap second-hand dogma. It comes through in everything that you write.

      Following OT into other discussions is against the rules, AA. I know you're frustrated - if you didn't know how badly you were exposed, you wouldn't have clung on nearly so tight.

      You've been a good little soldier, AtariAmarok. But I know that, whether you wanted to or not, you learned something from this process. At least externally, you've learned the parameters of your beliefs - that they require both subtle and overt dishonesty, and when pushed, they force you to lie about things as obvious as the color of the sky. I know, you think you can hold all these whirling contradictions in check, so that you can win for the team. The world runs on the truth, though, whatever you claim, and the more you get pushed up against the difference, the more you will find fear and doubt infecting your feelings, subtly at first, but I suspect more as time goes on.

      It's too bad it's goodbye, AtariAmarok. You don't have to leave. Anytime you want to add something, you know where to find me.

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    4. Re:A positive sign for all independent developers by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      "Your an apologist for propagandists, and a proponent of censorship in th mass media"

      Yes, I am an apologist for people being able to advocate their political causes in media. However, I have never called for censorship of such advocacy or other expression of political opinion. You have.

      "You know what's great about our time together, AtariAmarok? Our conversation provides convenient, unimpeachable evidence that you are lying about this, and that you also probably know it

      I provided analysis of a few of FAIR's claims many items ago. You chose to ignore it. Easier to say "liar!" than read.

      "Limbaugh really is a liar. Franken really is just calling him out, along with others like him. They are not equal or even close.

      They are both often liars, both often funny, and both often have great points. Whether or not you greatly favor one of the other shows which "side" you are on (of political bias).

      "This is why you had to trot out that crap as a "response" to FAIR"

      I see now that you totally chose to ignore this bogus claim that Limbaugh was a liar on the CBS News story because he capitalized (?) News.

      "You haven't provided FAIR admitting to anything"

      I provided a link to FAIR's own page about itself, that contained the admission.

      "you are reduced to distorting the definitions of words in their misssion statement"

      Are you now claiming that admitting being "progressive" is not the same as admitting to being on the left? How is this different from someone admitting being "conservative" not being on the political right?

      "Following OT into other discussions is against the rules, AA. I know you're frustrated "

      The old topic closed immediately after you added all the replies. The rules will be enforced with a down-modification, I'm sure.

      "The man notoriously promotes himself as balanced; indeed, as the only source for the real truth."

      He claims he is "a balance", not balanced. He always admits being conservative. In this (latter part), he is honest. "Source for real truth" is an example of his great arrogance. Come to think of it, your quote about Limbaugh fits yourself quite well. You claim to be centrist, but you only bash the right wing and find nothing wrong with left-wing screamers like Franken...and any left-wing argument is never pejoratively labeled as "propaganda"

      "grouping responsible organizations together with propaganda organizations"

      Whether or not one is responsible (a word you use for meaning "good!" here) or not, or one is propaganda (word for "bad!") or not, is up to the listener. It is not an objective measurement. You, with left-wing bias, call one good and the other bad. A conservative would say the opposite. I say they are equally good/bad: especially with an eye toward how the government should treat them: totally impartially.. All of the sides being discussed are politically biased argument groups.

      " I've shown more tolerance than most would"

      Yet, hardly a post goes by without you demanding Fox News and others be censored for their political opinion.

      "you learned something from this process" I've learned nothing I've not seen before. Even the old thing of someone screaming "give me links!" who totally ignores them when they are provided, and refuses to give links themself when asked.

      " so that you can win for the team"

      The team I am on for this is the one for free speech.

      "The world runs on the truth, though, whatever you claim"

      It does indeed run on the truth. The danger is when someone, like Limbaugh or yourself, see their political opinion as the one truth. The best example of this was your use of your opinion about the Iraq war as support for the idea of censoring Fox News.

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    5. Re:A positive sign for all independent developers by Concern · · Score: 1

      Oh, look. The liar has reversed himself and made his "goodbye" a lie as well.

      How fitting - he flip-flops on this too.

      Look at how he thinks. It's not "propaganda" - it's people being able to advocate their political causes in media.

      And really, let's not forget - without fairness, its some people being able to advocate their political causes in media. And others, not.

      I have never called for censorship of such advocacy or other expression of political opinion.

      Sure you have. I have carefully explained how.

      You refuse to answer these explanations, choosing instead to stick to lies and repetition, which makes me think you know you have, rather than that you're just too dumb to get it.

      I provided analysis of a few of FAIR's claims many items ago.

      You were determined to smear them as liberal from the moment you first heard about them. You can't find a single thing in their work to object to, you let go a lot of innuendos with nothing to back them up, and you give a few links that do not show what you claim.

      Your idea of analysis is a grave calamity.

      They are both often liars

      Except that they are not.

      I can point to a lot of work that documents Limbaughs lies. You cannot refute it. You cannot find documentation for anything Franken has said that you think is dishonest, but claim you can. You then are forced to link in what you freely admit are additional conservative lies, that happen to be about Franken, yet claim that this is somehow equal.

      This makes you the liar. Again.

      I see now that you totally chose to ignore this bogus claim that Limbaugh was a liar on the CBS News story because he capitalized (?) News.

      What claim? Link it please.

      I provided a link to FAIR's own page about itself, that contained the admission.

      That they are, in their own words:

      "FAIR, the national media watch group, has been offering well-documented criticism of media bias and censorship since 1986. We work to invigorate the First Amendment by advocating for greater diversity in the press and by scrutinizing media practices that marginalize public interest, minority and dissenting viewpoints. As an anti-censorship organization, we expose neglected news stories and defend working journalists when they are muzzled. As a progressive group, FAIR believes that structural reform is ultimately needed to break up the dominant media conglomerates, establish independent public broadcasting and promote strong non-profit sources of information."

      And this is your "evidence" that they are part of the vast left-wing conspiracy.

      What a riot.

      Are you now claiming that admitting being "progressive" is not the same as admitting to being on the left? How is this different from someone admitting being "conservative" not being on the political right?

      What I am saying is that you are twisting words. Progressive, liberal, and democrat are all different concepts, just as conservative and republican are different. You are not big on subtlety, I know - no meaning you can't twist.

      You're trying to pass this paragraph off as an admission that FAIR is a "left wing pressure group."

      Congratulations. You've fallen on your face again.

      (applause)

      He claims he is "a balance", not balanced. He always admits being conservative. In this (latter part), he is honest. "Source for real truth" is an example of his great arrogance

      Look at how you have to torture his sleazy words to fit your pervse ideas of what "balance" is. He has claimed a great many things that aren't true, while professing to be the only source for the truth.

      And yet you claim "he admits what he is."

      So how is it that you can admit he is a liar, acknowledge he claims to be telling the truth, and then say he admits what he is?

      I guess it's easy if you are as big a bold-faced liar as you are.

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    6. Re:A positive sign for all independent developers by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
      "And this is your "evidence" that they are part of the vast left-wing conspiracy"

      I said that they were proud that they were left-wing, and it is found in this quote (from their own web site). If they were not happy with it, they would hide it. I never said they they were part of a conspiracy I don't even believe in. So, no, it is not evidence of this. You keep creating this "left wing conspiracy" stuff. If I say Ralph Nader is left wing, your response would be that I said he was part of a vast conspiracy (and that he was not left wing even if he admits it!).

      So, whenever you bring up vast conspiracies, you are debating with yourself. I never bring them up, and never argue them, except to point again and again the fact that I never mentioned them to begin with.

      "Look at how he thinks. It's not "propaganda" - it's people being able to advocate their political causes in media."

      So? That's pretty obvious. It's the same thing.

      "without fairness, its some people being able to advocate their political causes in media. And others, not"

      It is rather misleading to use the lower-case word "fairness" for specific "Fairness Doctrine". Fairness is fine with me. This long-dead doctrine is not. And, by the way, under the doctrine, some people were able to advocate and some were not. At least without it, people are more free to express themselves without offending censors.

      "You can't find a single thing in their work to object to, you let go a lot of innuendos with nothing to back them up"

      I referred specifically to their list of Limbaugh errors (which contained a few FAIR errors). These errors, I objected to. I also object to a supposed responsible organization getting into the gutter with Limbaugh by using juvenile insults against all of their political opponents. Specific items, even. Not "innuendo".

      "You cannot find documentation for anything Franken has said that you think is dishonest, but claim you can" Do you want me to link to Franken's recent lie about Kerry's military service records?

      "You then are forced to link in what you freely admit are additional conservative lies, that happen to be about Franken, yet claim that this is somehow equal."

      Actually, it is equal. The left-wing Limbaugh bashers are as sloppy as the right-wing Franken bashers. However, I am not here to defend Limbaugh. I'm just here to point out that he is not the only hog rolling in the dirt: Franken does, too, even though you would excuse him because your politics are similar to his.

      "What I am saying is that you are twisting words. Progressive, liberal, and democrat are all different concepts, just as conservative and republican are different".

      Twisting words is what you just did by your straw-man insertion of party names there! Reword it to correct: progressive and liberal are concepts that almost entirely overlap just as conservative and traditional (an O'Reilly buzzword) do.

      Look at the little liar, trying to invent some more crazy ideas to pin on others(in response to me saying that you find nothing wrong with left-wing screamers like Franken)

      Yet, above in the same response, you once again bash one but not the other.

      No, hardly a post goes by without you lying and pretending [The Fairness Doctrine] means censorship."

      There is no pretending: that is what it does. If the Fairness Doctrine did not censor, it would have no effect (and I would not care about it at all). If the Fairness Doctrine had no impact on the ability of media programmers to program political content as they see fit (a matter that is between them and their audience), I would not care.

      "Tell me more, AtariAmarok. Do you really find it odd to have to do any work to justify your claims?"

      I especially find it odd now since the specific links you asked for were ignored. (Innuendo!!! Waaahhh!)

      "I claim to want fairness in the mass media"

      I want free spee

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    7. Re:A positive sign for all independent developers by Concern · · Score: 1
      I've so enjoyed your latest comments. So glad you are still unable to stop yourself.

      I said that they were proud that they were left-wing, and it is found in this quote (from their own web site). If they were not happy with it, they would hide it.

      Note: not actually found in the quote

      I never said they they were part of a conspiracy I don't even believe in. So, no, it is not evidence of this. You keep creating this "left wing conspiracy" stuff.

      You don't have to admit to it.

      If I say Ralph Nader is left wing, your response would be that I said he was part of a vast conspiracy (and that he was not left wing even if he admits it!).

      Can't find things to criticize? Make up imaginary things.

      So, whenever you bring up vast conspiracies, you are debating with yourself.

      This isn't a debate. You never followed any of the normal rules for that kind of thing. This is an AtariAmarok masturbation session.

      I never bring them up, and never argue them, except to point again and again the fact that I never mentioned them to begin with.

      You bring up your conspiracy theory constantly. You just like to call it other things. Like "truth" and "fact."

      So? That's pretty obvious. It's the same thing.

      In other words. Propaganda == weasel words for propaganda.

      We'll keep calling you on it, though.

      It is rather misleading to use the lower-case word "fairness" for specific "Fairness Doctrine".

      Please, by all means, consider it corrected exactly as you specify.

      Fairness is fine with me. This long-dead doctrine is not.

      You like the concept, you just want to be sure you can be unfair and silence critics. Check.

      And, by the way, under the doctrine, some people were able to advocate and some were not. At least without it, people are more free to express themselves without offending censors.

      Hammering on a point refuted multiple times.

      I referred specifically to their list of Limbaugh errors (which contained a few FAIR errors)

      Which are?

      Please, in order.

      I also object to a supposed responsible organization getting into the gutter with Limbaugh by using juvenile insults against all of their political opponents.

      Repeating: Flippant headlines are both appropriate given the subjects and not a factor in the truth of the articles.

      Let's review: You hold on to your ludicrous claim about FAIR despite not providing any evidence or even one thing they've done you can link to and criticize specifically, and I hold on to my claim that you are a friend and supporter of Osama bin Laden, you go on to point out how that's all babble, and I completely agree... and then you go right back to babbling.

      Do you want me to link to Franken's recent lie about Kerry's military service records?

      Yes!

      Forewarned, though, I figure if I can maintain a 10-to-1 ratio of documented problems, in Limbaugh vs Franken, my point stands.

      To remind you, as an enticement, I really will admit I am wrong and frankly apologize and thank you if you can back up your points with any believable evidence.

      I doubt it, though. You're a proven liar and you wouldn't have waited this long to start now, here, where nobody will even see it who cares.

      The left-wing Limbaugh bashers are as sloppy as the right-wing Franken bashers.

      If you can ever demonstrate it, I will agree.

      If you keep up your current behavior, you further prove you're a bad liar.

      I'm just here to point out that he is not the only hog rolling in the dirt: Franken does, too, even though you would excuse him beca use your politics are similar to his.

      Oft-repeated baseless accusation. You still haven't answered: "I can point to a lot of work that documents Limbaughs lies. You cannot refute it. You cannot find documentation for anything Frank

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  33. Spades by Mercano · · Score: 1

    Another, fairly new feature of Y!PP: Spades tables. If you get tired of sailing or crafting or tournament fighting, you can always settle down in the Inn for a nice game of cards. Hopefully, with more income, they can go add some more games to thier card engine.

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    1. Re:Spades by homerules · · Score: 0

      If they create a euchre ghame I'm in

  34. I'll not buy more Ubysoft games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Until they do something about Warrior Within (like replace all the sold copies). That game has more bugs than Win98 first edition...

    1. Re:I'll not buy more Ubysoft games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubisoft is only responsible for distribution - Three Rings is doing all the development itself, so it'll be of the same quality as the current client, which is awesome.

      -Liz

  35. Fantastic Game by drc500free · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've never been one to actually pay for my games, but I gladly fork over $25 a quarter to Three Rings for this one. There are a few really strong selling points.

    the community is mature, not the content. There is a default chat filter that turns most online and d00d speak into more pleasant piratey versions. 12 year olds find that they don't fit in well at all, unless they act more mature than kids their age usually do.

    there is no level grind. While there is a wide range of levels (as in any RPG), it's all skill, not artificial experience points. You go up in levels by simply getting better at the puzzles.

    there are no predefined classes of players, but there are many different ways to play. You can make money pillaging, trading, being a merchant, or even just winning swordfighting or drinking competitions. If one form of play gets boring, you can move on to other ones.

    teamwork is a fundamental design goal, and all of the duty puzzles come together to make ships sail in a fun and intuitive way.

    once you've gotten sick of just puzzling and pillaging, there is a vast political game to play. Players fight for control of islands in blockades that require weeks of planning and involve hundreds of people.

    most importantly for the slashdot crowd, there is a good dialogue between the designers and the community. Developers have even been recruited from the player base, adding some valuable perspective. A few months ago they released the island editor for designing landscapes, and ran a design competition. The winners were invited to finalize the entries to make up one of the archipelagoes in the new ocean.

    So give it a try if you are looking for something fresh. There has been quite a flood of new players with some new ad placements, but the players will still go out of their way to help you get aquainted with things.

  36. Puzzle Pirates Community by Ted+V · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been a player for a year and a half, and the community is actually the most diverse I've ever seen in an online game. Most of the players are between 15 and 35, but there are a fair number of families that play too-- kids as young as 6 years (with parental permission of course) and parents as old as 50.

    Because the game is so socially focused, you find that the most socially and politically adept people become the Captains, Kings, and Governors of the game. It's not at all like a traditional MMORPG where your guildmaster is the guy who logs in the most often and has the items with the highest numbers. Teamwork and community are the foundation of the game, so it naturally attracts those people most interested in those things.

    1. Re:Puzzle Pirates Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "parents as old as 50" I've never said this on Slashdot before, but fuck you. When you get to be 50, tell me it's old.

    2. Re:Puzzle Pirates Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Hi, we're talking about video games here.

      40 is ancient in this market.

  37. Too bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They would have made more money staying independent. Expect UBI to run them out of business (or acquire and destroy them) within the next 2-3 years. It was a cool game too.

  38. Best Feature! by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    I think that this game's best asset is that not only does it have a Mac version but a Linux one as well. There are so many hypnotized developers that ignore these two platforms in favor of Windows only titles or spawn poor Mac/Linux afterthoughts.

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  39. Fun game, but ... by SmokeSerpent · · Score: 1

    I couldn't bring myself to pay $10 a month to play tetris-like games online. $5 maybe.

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    1. Re:Fun game, but ... by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      The price is lower if you pay for more months at once... If you pay for a whole year up front it comes to $6.25 for a month.

      Also, most of the games aren't anything like tetris.

    2. Re:Fun game, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, most of the games aren't anything like tetris.

      Like which one? Face it, if you are trying to get blocks to match holes, it is tetris like. Ya, ya, ya, stacking colors, filling guns in order, whatever. It is placing blocks in order to win, by color or shape. I loved the game, but to say the games are not like Tetris, is splitting hairs at the finest level. I suppose if you didn't find Dr Mario anything like Tetris, then you may have a point (as well as a poorly tuned sense of what makes thing similar). Look at the comments, most descriptions of the games include "Tetris like".

      And seriously, you think 70US a year is a "good" deal? I have NEVER paid 70US for any game, let alone PER YEAR. Oh, and for 70US/year, it better not be a 2D JAVA game with 4 sound effects.

      I really liked the game, but it is a 20US, unlimited online play, game. At best.

    3. Re:Fun game, but ... by Shanoyu · · Score: 1

      Given that there are exactly zero other games that handle massive player on player combat well, i'm going to disagree.

    4. Re:Fun game, but ... by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Wow, you haven't even tried the game at all and you're assuming it's just a bunch of Tetris clones put together. Ye know what, mate? We don't want you.

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    5. Re:Fun game, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people have you ever fought "at once". If I recall, maybe there would be what, a dozen, maybe twenty total players in any one fight? Funny, I was online last night in a raging battle with 64 people. Playing a game that came out a couple of years ago. That cost less than half of the price of a year of PP. Using 3D graphics, surround sound, advanced lighting, advanced physics, live voice comms, live stat tracking, player models that LOOK like human beings, including facial expressions, realistic interactive objects, plus the ability to drive, fly, man any object in the game, getting the picture? Disagree all you want, but a 2D Java game, that uses Tetris to determine outcome, for 75US a year, every year, is no deal.

      I keep on saying it, it is a shame. The developers deserve all the fame and fortune they can get, it is a great game, for a 2D tetris "mario party" style game. By chosing the pricing model they did, they are sunk (sorry scuttled). Once you have been a player for two years, are you really going to think that paying 155US for that game was a great deal? I didn't think it was worth renewing after 3 months, 6 months of Tetris for 50US, fuck that.

    6. Re:Fun game, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Tetris clones? Which ones?

      The ship repair - Fit shaped blocks into geometric holes to win. Sounds like Tetris.

      Fighting - Stack same coloured blocks, hit with special block to clear all linked "same colours". Special bonus, match the pattern of your sword, to screw the other guy over. Sounds like Tetris.

      Bilge work - Link same shapped objects (bubbles), link to clear. Tetris.

      Sailing - Stack same coloured blocks, link to clear. Tetris.

      Cannons - fill each one in proper order (powder, wad, ball), pretty Tetris like.

      Distilling - link bubbles of the same colour to clear. Tetris.

      I can't remember any more off hand, I haven't played in months. But it is exactly like Tetris, and the Tetris clones (DrMario etc).

      You may not want us, and that is fine. But don't suggest that it is anything but a bunch of Tetris clones linked together, with an economy thrown in (run by tetris clone "occupations").

      The whole reason I liked the game, was I LIKE TETRIS. The reason I stopped playing is, I don't like tetris at 10 dollars a month.

    7. Re:Fun game, but ... by Shanoyu · · Score: 1

      Had a blockade with 500 the other day.

      I mean if you're stylistically opposed to the whole notion of a game in the style of puzzle pirates, then yeah, obviously it's not your game. However, i'm not a fan of FPSs such as the one you described. My general opinion of Halo, Quake, etc, is that they suck, and that I can have a lot more fun at a firing range and/or with a paintball gun. Plus the term you are looking for is "scupper that."

      Yes, it uses "tetris" to determine the outcome. This is the main draw of the game. Some of us find puzzle games much more entertaining and interesting than poorly modeled simulations of real physics with exploding thingies. In short, I find a lot more pleasure in carefully constructing a strategy and combo for sf than I do for see the goon, shoot the goon.

      It suprizes me that so many people are still in the graphics are more important gameplay camp.

  40. Wow a MMORGP for my wife by aka_big_wurm · · Score: 1

    Looks like a good mmorpg for the wife, but I am not sure if that is a good thing. LOL

  41. Game has multiple levels by diagonti · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been playing this game for about a year now. I run a small crew of skilled pirates.

    One of the things that keeps me coming back is the way this game has so many levels. When you first start playing the game, it is all about mastering different puzzles. After a while, you realize that their are ships to run. And you move to the level where you are not only doing a puzzle, but managing a ship and other pirates. You then spend your next chunk of time learning to do this well. It is often an exercise is multitasking combined with a bit of being social. After a while, you realize there are things to do and places to go with your ship. You start exploring the ocean and investigating how the economy works. This leads you in to investigating running a shop. At this point you start playing the economy game -- running a shop, managing labor and raw materials, and selling goods. Puzzle Pirates has a real, working, complex economy. Evenutally, you'll realize that your crew is in a flag and that your flag is involved in politics. And these politics can be fascinating.

    And that's the level I'm at. And I suspect there is something more out there, but I'm still looking. At this point, I sometimes log in and just play the economy game - no puzzling involved. At other times I log in and puzzle for a couple hours. And sometimes I just log in to chat with all the interesting people I've met in game.

  42. Pirates Logic Puzzle by telstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    five pirates have 100 gold coins. they have to divide up the loot. in order of seniority (suppose pirate 5 is most senior, pirate 1 is least senior), the most senior pirate proposes a distribution of the loot. they vote and if at least 50% accept the proposal, the loot is divided as proposed. otherwise the most senior pirate is executed, and they start over again with the next senior pirate. what solution does the most senior pirate propose? assume they are very intelligent and extremely greedy (and that they would prefer not to die).

    (to be clear on what 50% means, 3 pirates must vote for the proposal when there are 5 for it to pass. 2 if there are 4. 2 if there are 3. etc... )

    Solution

  43. Older Community? by ppp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Agreed. Honestly, it's the best community I've ever seen in an MMORPG (mostly because it seems to be a bit of an older one, attracting both men and women in their mid-20s).

    Now I feel REALLY old.

  44. Go JAVA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One step closer to legitimizing Java for games development. Hopefully the added exposure will help Sun test the JVM for this purpose more extensively.

  45. OMG! by Greyfox · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    I haven't laughed that hard at a slashdot post in ages! Ow! I think I hurt myself!

    For some reason it reminded me of Saddam. "Satan! Your ass is big and red! Who amd I going to pretend that you are? Liza Manelly?"

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  46. Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ninja Pirates, get best of both worlds. Or even better, Ninja Pirates riding on Dinosaurs. How can you go wrong?

    1. Re:Why not both? by nicholasharbour · · Score: 1

      You mean pinjas. They are teh suck. Almost as bad as clowns or robots.

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  47. The one true bling by Shanoyu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Puzzle pirates is simply the best MMORPG ever made. Only World of Warcraft can even come close to attaining the same consumer satisfaction. It is an everquest for those who hate everquest, but love the idea behind it. The absence of any discernable level grind combined with the presence of discernable but uncoded levels of skill make puzzle pirates the first game to even come close to achieving what pretty much everyone wants to have a shot at achieving when playing an online game:

    The idea of the hero. There is no other game where a player can realistically hope to achieve heroic type fame. Granted, it is similar to hoping to become the best basketball player around, or the best chess player on earth, but the fact remains that you are not as hindered by a mixture of luck and hardcoded statistics as in everquest, world of warcraft, or any other MMORPG that has come out, ever. Puzzle pirates remains the only game out where this is an achievable dream.

    1. Re:The one true bling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's complete nonsense. There are craploads of text-based MMORPGs that allow this as well. Check out Simutronics' games, Iron Realms' games, etc.

    2. Re:The one true bling by Shanoyu · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. Sorry. GS IV, GS 3, Dragonrealms, etc, are all pretty much the way I described them. You come, you level up, you leave. Don't get me wrong, they're good for what they do, but at the upper echelons of play it's all just stats. No real skill is involved.

  48. Sounds like butt pirates... by Timmy+D+Programmer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Arr, that not be me sword...

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  49. Fantastic game... by mlk · · Score: 1

    Play the beta, was hooked. But could not justify the monthly.

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  50. Deja who? by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I remember disecting this puzzle on Slashdot a couple of months ago.

    I like the Monte Hall puzzle better, because it's less broken.

    In real (pirate) life, if I was a low-ranking pirate in this logic game, I'd walk away with 25 gold and leave behind one dead senior pirate because I know how to make a side-deal which includes, "And after we kill the blighter, we stop messing around with this stupid voting nonsense. It's this way, or we all get screwed by so-called, 'logic'."

    Game theory only works in controlled environments, (like computer simulations). In the real world of global politics, it only screws those who agree to play by the set rules, which is pretty damned stupid, considering where the rules come from. This is directly linked to such sayings as Tacitus' "The more corrupt the republic, the more numerous the laws."

    Long live Chaos!


    -FL

    1. Re:Deja who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree - stupid puzzle. The logic works only if the situation is tightly confined.

      Now if we replaced pirates with something like robots or software to find an optimal solution, I can go with that. Otherwise, I have a feeling pirates 2 and 4 are going to pay our dear pirate captain a visit late at night, and they'll have a change in leadership by the morning :)

    2. Re:Deja who? by tap · · Score: 1
      In real (pirate) life, if I was a low-ranking pirate in this logic game, I'd walk away with 25 gold and leave behind one dead senior pirate because I know how to make a side-deal which includes, "And after we kill the blighter, we stop messing around with this stupid voting nonsense. It's this way, or we all get screwed by so-called, 'logic'."

      At which point three of the remaining pirates decide to kill you and split the gold into 3rds. Then two of the three that are left kill the 3rd and split the gold 50/50, then one of two who are left kills the other and keeps all the gold, but dies himself from his wounds.

      Of course, this would never happen, as the pirates realize that as soon as they throw out the rules, they'll turn on each other and end up being killed. Being intelligent, greedy, and not wanting to die, the pirates have formed a society with laws. Their law is to follow the voting nonsense or you get killed.

      In this case, the most senior pirate gives himself 98%, the 3rd most senior 1% and the fifth most senior 1%.

      The four less senior pirates accept this and wait for their chance at the top, since to do otherwise would degenerate into anarchy and they would all be killed and get nothing.

      The most senior accepts the 2% he had to give away as tax, knowing that paying taxes to keep a civil society is better than trying to keep it all and getting stabbed in the back by his mates.

  51. This reminds me of 'One Piece' by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Weird vibe, this.

    Another ultra-fluffy pirate world drawn in simple cartoon faces which is nonetheless broad and popular.

    I can't figure out the life metaphor here. --Though, 'One Piece' (the manga series) was peopled with endless reams of charismatic sociopaths in search of treasure who were hard-wired to back-stab friends or stand up for comrades only when it could better their own lot. The whole thing traded on a very primitive understanding of morality.

    Perhaps the metaphor here is as follows: The current world is a pretend artifice, (Happy faces and meaningless puzzle challenges), where pillage and poor ethics are rewarded, (Pirates), and where there is a larger world of politics which don't matter, because the whole reality is nothing more than a computer game where the real masters remain unseen, remain generally un-referred to, and whose entire purpose for providing and maintaining the game is to extract energy/money from the users populating the artificial environment.

    Not a bad thing, necessarily, but an accurate picture of reality invitro.


    -FL

    1. Re:This reminds me of 'One Piece' by ratnerstar · · Score: 1

      I wish I had some idea of what you are talking about.

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    2. Re:This reminds me of 'One Piece' by Shanoyu · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. One common theme is that we only look like pirates. Generally speaking justifying any action with "But.. but.. but.. we're pirates!" will earn you the scorn and derision of the community, unless of course what you're doing is interesting and compelling and somewhat competitive, instead of just annoying and futile. But then you don't need to justify it with "But..but... but... we're pirates!"

  52. Dude. . , by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Are you honestly arguing that the system presented in this logic puzzle is the only rational or valid one in existence?

    They're pirates. Back-stabbing was the rule. But so, I believe, was the concept of 'fairly shared booty'. --What kind of retard pirate would set sail knowing they weren't going to get fairly compensated for risking their lives? (Well, other than U.S. soldiers who are not getting paid $1000 an hour like the corporate mercenaries doing the same job in the next oil-field over.) --Feed a bunch of 'civil society' bullshit to the kids, and you've got yourself an army of idiots willing to throw their lives away for 1 gold piece while the rest of us live off the fat. Ugly but true.

    In other words, you're more than welcome to serve under me on my ship! Bring your friends, too! If they all think the way you do, then they'll grudgingly let me rip them off without raising a fuss, thinking that they are performing a noble act to prevent 'social anarchy' or some such nonsense.

    This is why they teach kids dumb logic puzzles; to keep the salt mines peopled with chumps who do as they are told and actually think they are smart while doing so. And it's also why the elite have no trouble killing people off. They probably feel like I do right now; "If he's that daft, then he deserves to eat the NutraSweet!"


    -FL

  53. mmoarrrpg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the story three times trying to figure out where the extra 'arr' came from till I got it..

    Quite the kneeslapper, /. :p

  54. puzzles are hard... by torrents · · Score: 1

    i haven't even figured out how to use this compu

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  55. Great for dial-up users by randomizer9 · · Score: 1

    According to the FAQ, the game is playable via dial-up, but I don't think there are many dial-up users that are willing to wait for a 40MB download.

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  56. I hate to agree with a troll, but... by millennial · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As vitreolic as the parent's tone was, I would have to agree. This article really does sound like an advertisement. They tell you who is making it, what sort of awards it has won (which is why you should buy it), and what the game is about. Though this may be useful information, I can't see why this has any place on Slashdot. The "Games" section should contain information about new gaming technology, system upgrades, how to build a hot gaming rig, and so on - not "news flashes" about the latest game you should go buy.

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  57. Oh man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Take a look at the immediate parent post again, and you might notice that it's a neat fit for weath distribution in the U.S., right down to taxes. It's a joke.

    Seriously, what had happened to you, FL? I swear, you didn't used to post stupid shit like this...