It isnt just disuse. They distributed their own code (presuming it actually is present in the linux kernel) under the GPL. This means they have no valid claim over it being used as long as the users conform to the GPL.
I am behind this poster 100%. I say this as an avid gamer who attends large LAN parties on a monthly basis and spend half my time trying to convince people to play something other than Battlefield 1942, Counter-Strike, or UT2003. Getting people to play off-mainstream games is a MAJOR chore, even when the games in question blow the popular alternatives away (compare IGI2 or Global Ops to Counter-Strike). Then of course once I have a dozen people playing something awesome (Earth Special Forces, a DBZ mod for half-life, for instance) every wandering bystander sees it and goes "dude, that looks awesome! where can i get it?". And then I am like "dude, I have been begging you to play this game for days".
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Sooo... is distribution one of those reserved "All Rights" or not? I think "All Rights Reserved" can be considered one of the most overused catch phrases of the last 20 years. Not only is it used in a contradictory manner like here, but somehow the MPAA and RIAA and software industry seem to think they really can reserve ALL rights instead of just their exclusive ones.
There ARE beams. That little circle on top of the front is a rangefinder. That is how it follows a wall without continuously bumping into it. It is also how it decides when its in the 'middle' of an area and should start spiraling again.
Heh, youre a rebate newbie. Peachtree Accounting. Costs $200. You get $40 off the purchase price at the store with a coupon. And there is a $160 rebate. And there is another $30 rebate if you own a previous version, or competitors software. This same deal exists every year, I have been "upgrading" for the last 3 years with it. And this is only a mediocre deal. Deal sites regularly list deals where you spend $20 and get $40 back.
If "you can fix it yourself if you want" == "less bad" then I agree. Bugs in OSS are inherently less rant-against-able than in CSS because you have no one to blame for it not being fixed but yourself.
I prefer to use Ad Muncher to block ads, as well as do a plethora of other web based security, privacy, and annoyance removal tasks. It works better than anything I have seen in a single browser, including Mozilla, and works on anything that initiates HTTP connections, even things like game patchers and web spider programs. It can block banner ads, textual ads (anything to, for instance, a linksynergy redirect page), and a host of other things. Hell, it even blocks the adware ads in the Main Bar of the adware version of Opera.
THOSE are also illegal, and the not-participating businesses can sue them. For one thing, they will be infringing trademarks by advertising with the names/logos/whatever of the other companies. And for another, they will be liable for any monetary damages the companies lose in anti-spam suits.
Its not deniability, but control. Contributory infringement requires that they know about the infringement when they can do something about it. Napster could have shut down its network at any time, or blocked searches/transfers of copyrighted files, but it didnt, so they were guilty of contributory infringement. If all the gnutella/fasttrack client writers shut down all their servers it wouldnt affect the networks at all. They have no control over what the users are doing any more, so they arent contributing to the infringement.
The value of a person's work has no real basis most of the time. The only thing you can base your salary goal on is what everyone else gets paid.
[blockquote] I've seen what happens when people do, and it usually just makes for a bad environment. [/blockquote]
You make my point. The reason the environment is bad is because some people are getting paid more for the same, or even less, work. As long as they can keep everyone in the dark then people are happy.
Everywhere I have ever worked (USA) has warned us that our salaries are confidential. Which stopped about 1% of us from comparing them. All a company accomplishes by hiding salaries is being able to pay people less, which is a very bad thing from an employee perspective.
the neatest parts of the tanks you linked to, which are made by Plantraco, is that they can be controlled by PC (in a simple "move forward, turn left, move forward" setup) and they sell video cameras to go on top of them.
I play with a small RC car that has a camera attached to it quite often, and its fun as hell to see the world, or my apartment, from that point of view (ever wonder what a cockroach sees?). Playing laser tag like that would rock even more than from overhead.
small claims returns filing fees in the judgement almost all the time. $39 fee to win a $500 judgement? they have to give you $539. etc. it would be worth $35 to get $85.
You could insert random buttons at various points in the code, particularly before "UP UP" and after the "B A". This was mostly true for every game that supported the Konami Code. The code tended to evolve as people passed it, like the childhood game of "telephone".
where the items cost up to $50 and most of the time cannot be returned to the store
you really need to move to a country, or state, with better commercial and/or consumer protection laws. Here in the good old USA the Uniform Commercial Code, as enacted by almost every state, says its illegal for a store to not give a refund if you arent allowed to inspect the product in full at the store, which includes being able to read the EULA and check the disc for scratches everywhere, and to actually try the software under some interpretations. Oh, and if you order it online instead of buying it at a store you have even more rights with regards to rejection.
So you're saying the game coming out later has advantages? I can wait until the game has been out for a couple of months if I want. Just because it's on the shelves doesn't mean I have to buy it the first week.
Then you, my friend, are not the target demographic of the american video game industry.
I actually learned it as up up down down left right left right b a b a select select start start, on Contra for the NES. I dont doubt others learned other convoluted versions, and I recall seeing at least one with an extra "b a" pair in it published in a gaming magazine years later. Ahh, for the good old days when console game cheats were spread by word of mouth!
Oh yes, Knoppix and TOMSRTBT are a must have for any software survival kit. In case you arent familiar, Knoppix is Debian Linux installed ONTO a CD, so you can run it straight from the CD. TOMSRTBT is a very small linux distro on a single floppy diskette with a good number of recovery tools.
Sent this to the article author, thought I would share it here too...
I think the biggest problem with your interpretation of the events is your misunderstanding of what software is and how copyright and transfers of ownership work. Sasha, and Microsoft (the holders of the copyright) by extenstion, is within the law to distribute copies of their works in any way she wants, as long as she has permission from her boss (as a Microsoft employee, not as an individual). She has transferred ownership of one "copy" of VS.Net to you. By not including a license agreement she has placed no additional restrictions on the transaction (so called "after sale terms", common in purchases of software or insurance). As long as there were no terms to the sale (which it was, since you paid to attend the event at which you were promised the item) then the warning on the disc itself has no bearing. Having ownership of the copy you are legally allowed to do anything you want with it that isnt on this list: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/106.html , which tells you the things that the copyright holder has exclusive rights to with regard to a copyrighted work. You will notice that USING the software is not on the list. Some will argue that by installing/running it you are "reproducing" it (on the hard drive, and in RAM, respectively), but you can easily dissolve that argument by pointing out two things. First, that running it is not legally reproducing because by the definitions of "copies" and "fixed" ( http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/101.html ) you see that the copy must exist "for a period of more than transitory duration", which obviosly the copy in RAM does not. And secondly, installing it IS reproducing, but is specifically allowed under numerous legal precedents extending Fair Use to include software installation. However, you cant distribute it, because that is agaisnt the law (see the previously linked list).
Anywhere I have used quotes I am either citing law or using a word by its legal definition, elsewhere you can assume I am using the common definition.
They havent made any criminal accusations. Thats what material witness detention is about, they can just tell a judge that he might know something about someone who knows something about a crime and get him locked up for months with no trial or charges.
oh, and as to your sig... as long as the first sentence only WAS false then both sentences can be true. Now, if both of them said "is" then it would be a paradox.
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It isnt just disuse. They distributed their own code (presuming it actually is present in the linux kernel) under the GPL. This means they have no valid claim over it being used as long as the users conform to the GPL.
I am behind this poster 100%. I say this as an avid gamer who attends large LAN parties on a monthly basis and spend half my time trying to convince people to play something other than Battlefield 1942, Counter-Strike, or UT2003. Getting people to play off-mainstream games is a MAJOR chore, even when the games in question blow the popular alternatives away (compare IGI2 or Global Ops to Counter-Strike). Then of course once I have a dozen people playing something awesome (Earth Special Forces, a DBZ mod for half-life, for instance) every wandering bystander sees it and goes "dude, that looks awesome! where can i get it?". And then I am like "dude, I have been begging you to play this game for days".
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Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
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Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2003). All Rights Reserved.
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This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to others ... provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are included on all such copies
Sooo... is distribution one of those reserved "All Rights" or not? I think "All Rights Reserved" can be considered one of the most overused catch phrases of the last 20 years. Not only is it used in a contradictory manner like here, but somehow the MPAA and RIAA and software industry seem to think they really can reserve ALL rights instead of just their exclusive ones.
There ARE beams. That little circle on top of the front is a rangefinder. That is how it follows a wall without continuously bumping into it. It is also how it decides when its in the 'middle' of an area and should start spiraling again.
Heh, youre a rebate newbie. Peachtree Accounting. Costs $200. You get $40 off the purchase price at the store with a coupon. And there is a $160 rebate. And there is another $30 rebate if you own a previous version, or competitors software. This same deal exists every year, I have been "upgrading" for the last 3 years with it. And this is only a mediocre deal. Deal sites regularly list deals where you spend $20 and get $40 back.
Pricewatch doesnt mine. Companies PAY for the privelege of listing their prices on pricewatch.
It's not that they get fixed fast. It's that if a bug in OSS bothers you enough then you can fix it yourself.
If "you can fix it yourself if you want" == "less bad" then I agree. Bugs in OSS are inherently less rant-against-able than in CSS because you have no one to blame for it not being fixed but yourself.
I prefer to use Ad Muncher to block ads, as well as do a plethora of other web based security, privacy, and annoyance removal tasks. It works better than anything I have seen in a single browser, including Mozilla, and works on anything that initiates HTTP connections, even things like game patchers and web spider programs. It can block banner ads, textual ads (anything to, for instance, a linksynergy redirect page), and a host of other things. Hell, it even blocks the adware ads in the Main Bar of the adware version of Opera.
THOSE are also illegal, and the not-participating businesses can sue them. For one thing, they will be infringing trademarks by advertising with the names/logos/whatever of the other companies. And for another, they will be liable for any monetary damages the companies lose in anti-spam suits.
Its not deniability, but control. Contributory infringement requires that they know about the infringement when they can do something about it. Napster could have shut down its network at any time, or blocked searches/transfers of copyrighted files, but it didnt, so they were guilty of contributory infringement. If all the gnutella/fasttrack client writers shut down all their servers it wouldnt affect the networks at all. They have no control over what the users are doing any more, so they arent contributing to the infringement.
I have been reading /. for quite a while, and have seen very few dupes. Where are you seeing the previous postings of this story?
The only place to find it is not on this site, whice is currently in the process of melting.
The value of a person's work has no real basis most of the time. The only thing you can base your salary goal on is what everyone else gets paid.
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I've seen what happens when people do, and it usually just makes for a bad environment.
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You make my point. The reason the environment is bad is because some people are getting paid more for the same, or even less, work. As long as they can keep everyone in the dark then people are happy.
Everywhere I have ever worked (USA) has warned us that our salaries are confidential. Which stopped about 1% of us from comparing them. All a company accomplishes by hiding salaries is being able to pay people less, which is a very bad thing from an employee perspective.
the neatest parts of the tanks you linked to, which are made by Plantraco, is that they can be controlled by PC (in a simple "move forward, turn left, move forward" setup) and they sell video cameras to go on top of them.
I play with a small RC car that has a camera attached to it quite often, and its fun as hell to see the world, or my apartment, from that point of view (ever wonder what a cockroach sees?). Playing laser tag like that would rock even more than from overhead.
small claims returns filing fees in the judgement almost all the time. $39 fee to win a $500 judgement? they have to give you $539. etc. it would be worth $35 to get $85.
You could insert random buttons at various points in the code, particularly before "UP UP" and after the "B A". This was mostly true for every game that supported the Konami Code. The code tended to evolve as people passed it, like the childhood game of "telephone".
you really need to move to a country, or state, with better commercial and/or consumer protection laws. Here in the good old USA the Uniform Commercial Code, as enacted by almost every state, says its illegal for a store to not give a refund if you arent allowed to inspect the product in full at the store, which includes being able to read the EULA and check the disc for scratches everywhere, and to actually try the software under some interpretations. Oh, and if you order it online instead of buying it at a store you have even more rights with regards to rejection.
Then you, my friend, are not the target demographic of the american video game industry.
I actually learned it as up up down down left right left right b a b a select select start start, on Contra for the NES. I dont doubt others learned other convoluted versions, and I recall seeing at least one with an extra "b a" pair in it published in a gaming magazine years later. Ahh, for the good old days when console game cheats were spread by word of mouth!
Oh yes, Knoppix and TOMSRTBT are a must have for any software survival kit. In case you arent familiar, Knoppix is Debian Linux installed ONTO a CD, so you can run it straight from the CD. TOMSRTBT is a very small linux distro on a single floppy diskette with a good number of recovery tools.
Sent this to the article author, thought I would share it here too...
I think the biggest problem with your interpretation of the events is your misunderstanding of what software is and how copyright and transfers of ownership work. Sasha, and Microsoft (the holders of the copyright) by extenstion, is within the law to distribute copies of their works in any way she wants, as long as she has permission from her boss (as a Microsoft employee, not as an individual). She has transferred ownership of one "copy" of VS.Net to you. By not including a license agreement she has placed no additional restrictions on the transaction (so called "after sale terms", common in purchases of software or insurance). As long as there were no terms to the sale (which it was, since you paid to attend the event at which you were promised the item) then the warning on the disc itself has no bearing. Having ownership of the copy you are legally allowed to do anything you want with it that isnt on this list: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/106.html , which tells you the things that the copyright holder has exclusive rights to with regard to a copyrighted work. You will notice that USING the software is not on the list.
Some will argue that by installing/running it you are "reproducing" it (on the hard drive, and in RAM, respectively), but you can easily dissolve that argument by pointing out two things. First, that running it is not legally reproducing because by the definitions of "copies" and "fixed" ( http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/101.html ) you see that the copy must exist "for a period of more than transitory duration", which obviosly the copy in RAM does not. And secondly, installing it IS reproducing, but is specifically allowed under numerous legal precedents extending Fair Use to include software installation. However, you cant distribute it, because that is agaisnt the law (see the previously linked list).
Anywhere I have used quotes I am either citing law or using a word by its legal definition, elsewhere you can assume I am using the common definition.
(read "you" to mean the article author)
They havent made any criminal accusations. Thats what material witness detention is about, they can just tell a judge that he might know something about someone who knows something about a crime and get him locked up for months with no trial or charges.
oh, and as to your sig... as long as the first sentence only WAS false then both sentences can be true. Now, if both of them said "is" then it would be a paradox.