We believe that consumers should be able to freely access their favorite content and applications, regardless of what computer they have, what browser they like, or what device suits their needs. No company — no matter how big or how creative — should dictate what you can create, how you create it, or what you can experience on the web....
We believe that Apple, by taking the opposite approach, has taken a step that could undermine this next chapter of the web — the chapter in which mobile devices outnumber computers, any individual can be a publisher, and content is accessed anywhere and at any time.
Here, Chuck Geschke and John Warnock are simply dishonest.
One playing field is the open web which Apple is clearly and strongly fostering with it's development of WebKit as a leading standards supporting rendering engine now seen in use by all major mobile operating systems save Microsoft's. Apple is clearly supporting web standards which actually do run on any device you choose. Adobe on the other hand is clearly digging a Flash pit wherein everything remains the same. It's been talk talk talk about a version of mobile flash. I'm glad web standards are stepping up to the plate and being moved forward by Adobe's inability to deliver.
The other field is in regard to native applications. This is a very different war then claiming Apple is attempting to "undermine this next chapter of the web. I find myself strongly agreeing with Apple on one hand — I have used platforms held hostage by companies other than the original vendor and have seen the lack of progress ceding control, the control Apple is enforcing with section 3.1.1 and like Steve Jobs agree that John Gruber really nails it in his post which walks a line of rationality not seen in most corners of our daily lives. On the other hand I find some agreement with another premise – that a developer should be able to deliver a product in any
You can't publish such a weighty document full of error, sign it, post it with your chuckling portraits and believe you've won the day. This is desperate.
> If there is anything the iPad isn't, it's a productivity tool. STFU fanboy.
Really? And you would know this how? You curse me and call me a fanboy (first sign of a troll post) for citing a productivity app I use on my iPad?
iSSH is a great app... logging into remote servers to edit files and the such is what I do for a living, so yes, the iPad proves to be a very nice fucking productivity tool you tool.
> Tiny screen? Not. Smaller than a 15.6" laptop? Sure but bigger or equivalent to most netbooks.
> no Flash support We are still fracking talking about this? Please.
> no keyboard Really?! You point this out? Have you RTFM'd? On screen keyboard in landscape mode does fine for typing pretty long missives -- longer than this one. Bluetooth keyboards take you to the next level.
It's really not "crippled" or "limited", not in the knee-jerk manner most consider. It's a nice productivity tool, and, it's a great device to have in the house or for travels. It does a ton of stuff.
My favorite app? iSSH (with VNC tunneling support)... now that's what I call crippled. Sigh.
I certainly support creators' rights to earnings off of invention and have problems with many software patents I see from all my favorite vendors. But apart from normal hand wringing over patents this really takes the cake.
Think if Microsoft or Apple charged you a license for everything you created using your computer! What if the printer manufacturer did the same? Why didn't film companies charge me for every photo I ever published when I used to use film?
Insanity! Write your legislators, write companies, write, complain....
But come on dude, Google will translate this into 60 languages, add it as a doc in your account, email it to you, send it to every chrome/android device registered with your account, share it with all of your contacts via buzz, bookmark it, add it as a gadget to your home page, subscribe to changes inmyour Reader account, scan it from faces and plop photos of in your picasa account, and serve it all back to you in ads based on a natural language index algorithm of keywords in your work.
The story posted 6 minutes before the one ABOUT A GIANT METEOR FALLING TO EARTH already has triple the comments. That story is about a women's purported auto-arousal syndrome supposedly induced by the Wii Fit.
So you all have seen more meteors fall to earth than you have women achieving orgasm? Sad, sad...
This isn't about any of your anti ranting. It's not about you, me, or "people that will buy whatever Steve tells them they need and hype it for him endlessly?".
It's about a pretty good product people want. Not your dreams or anyone elses particularly. There is no need to attempt to brand purchasers of a _thing_ a fanboy, a hero, or a sheep. It just is and this convo is a waste of energy.
It's (the iPad) a great little device, it doesn't blow smoke up my ass and it doesn't do everything but damn it has been nice to have.
Did you throw in the word "proprietary" just to sound cool? How does Apple support rich text output in proprietary text formats?
The on screen keyboard is not the best for long posts but I do quite well with bits like this, and even longer emails. In fact I've gotten sort of quick at this on screen keyboard, only in landscape mode though.
Why don't Google docs work? Something short in mobile safari?
I did notice the particular type of editable field in Wordpress not being editable on my iPad but then just opened the nice Wordpress app and kept on trucking.
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Here on this site I can't ad just the threshold of comments seen. The slider doesn't work for some reason.
Overall mobile safari is pretty damn impressive. MUCH more impressive than the web browser I built (not).
They also blame all bugs on Apple or in the case of not being able to save file error "Could not save (file name) because the file is already in use or left open"...
Seriously. Check out this thread. The only app on any Mac or Windows computer I use (and that's a handful) which gives this kind of error and Adobe blames the OS vendors. All those other apps which save files never report this problem, EVER!
Adobe has become quite arrogant and unfocused IMO. The problem is for me the lack of a Photoshop competitor. I use Illustrator less than a long time ago so the various replacements work well in this space.
I also have a Mac Mini connected to an HD tv via HDMI. Dunno how many years old now but it's a 1.66GHz Core Duo with 1GB ram. It's connected to a RAID device located in the basement via FireWire. This storage device holds all my music and video. I have an Addesso Mini wireless keyboard with built-in trackpad which I love. I rent from iTunes, watch in Netflix, Hulu, other sites... It's connected to an older amplifier which is connected to speakers and another DVD/VHS player. I also use an AirTunes Express cube with self powered speakers to listen to stuff while I work or lounge upstairs, using the iPhone/Pod Remote app to select songs.
I'd highly recommend this sort of setup. I've read of others using a similar form factor running other OS's mine just happens to be tied into the Apple empire and I'm good with all that.
Not to mention, the study did a, well I don't know what you'd call it in those circles, but there was a starvation aspect to this study.
The kids were pining for a video game console, they didn't get one, the parents caved, they played a lot and neglected their studies. Big science or coincidence? Hard to tell with this limited view IMO.
I'd prefer to see a few follow ups in the long term to gauge the real potential for video games to inhibit learning.
I'd also agree with some that perhaps it's not video games per se as the learning inhibitor, but mostly the fact that their finite amount of time was spent playing a video game rather than doing home work, reading, or other activities.
We definitely limit the amount of screen time our children can have, per day, any device included in the time allotment. 1 hour max except on some rainy weekend days.
-- editorial comment --
So/. is now posting stories to synopsis sites/aggregators like Yahoo? rather than the original source? Seems like a big FAIL to me.
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Here, Chuck Geschke and John Warnock are simply dishonest.
One playing field is the open web which Apple is clearly and strongly fostering with it's development of WebKit as a leading standards supporting rendering engine now seen in use by all major mobile operating systems save Microsoft's. Apple is clearly supporting web standards which actually do run on any device you choose. Adobe on the other hand is clearly digging a Flash pit wherein everything remains the same. It's been talk talk talk about a version of mobile flash. I'm glad web standards are stepping up to the plate and being moved forward by Adobe's inability to deliver.
The other field is in regard to native applications. This is a very different war then claiming Apple is attempting to "undermine this next chapter of the web. I find myself strongly agreeing with Apple on one hand — I have used platforms held hostage by companies other than the original vendor and have seen the lack of progress ceding control, the control Apple is enforcing with section 3.1.1 and like Steve Jobs agree that John Gruber really nails it in his post which walks a line of rationality not seen in most corners of our daily lives. On the other hand I find some agreement with another premise – that a developer should be able to deliver a product in any
You can't publish such a weighty document full of error, sign it, post it with your chuckling portraits and believe you've won the day. This is desperate.
+10 for awesomeness! (I've actually developed in Authorware, once.)
> If there is anything the iPad isn't, it's a productivity tool. STFU fanboy.
Really? And you would know this how?
You curse me and call me a fanboy (first sign of a troll post) for citing a productivity app I use on my iPad?
iSSH is a great app ... logging into remote servers to edit files and the such is what I do for a living, so yes, the iPad proves to be a very nice fucking productivity tool you tool.
> Tiny screen?
Not. Smaller than a 15.6" laptop? Sure but bigger or equivalent to most netbooks.
> no Flash support
We are still fracking talking about this? Please.
> no keyboard
Really?! You point this out? Have you RTFM'd? On screen keyboard in landscape mode does fine for typing pretty long missives -- longer than this one. Bluetooth keyboards take you to the next level.
It's really not "crippled" or "limited", not in the knee-jerk manner most consider. It's a nice productivity tool, and, it's a great device to have in the house or for travels. It does a ton of stuff.
My favorite app? iSSH (with VNC tunneling support) ... now that's what I call crippled. Sigh.
Put this deep sea station inmthe Gulf of Mexico, say near a particular disaster...
And help that pitiful corporation fix the mess!
On one site I manage which receives a modest ~2-3 million uniques a year, IE has been losing market share steadily over the past three years.
It's pretty much the same across other, smaller sites I manage or have developed and still watch stats on...
Move along!
Thanks for making this point.
I certainly support creators' rights to earnings off of invention and have problems with many software patents I see from all my favorite vendors. But apart from normal hand wringing over patents this really takes the cake.
Think if Microsoft or Apple charged you a license for everything you created using your computer! What if the printer manufacturer did the same? Why didn't film companies charge me for every photo I ever published when I used to use film?
Insanity! Write your legislators, write companies, write, complain....
"google are fighting back"
Against what for fracks sake?!
But come on dude, Google will translate this into 60 languages, add it as a doc in your account, email it to you, send it to every chrome/android device registered with your account, share it with all of your contacts via buzz, bookmark it, add it as a gadget to your home page, subscribe to changes inmyour Reader account, scan it from faces and plop photos of in your picasa account, and serve it all back to you in ads based on a natural language index algorithm of keywords in your work.
What's not to love?
(god I am tired of Google)
The story posted 6 minutes before the one ABOUT A GIANT METEOR FALLING TO EARTH
already has triple the comments. That story is about a women's purported auto-arousal syndrome supposedly induced by the Wii Fit.
So you all have seen more meteors fall to earth than you have women achieving orgasm? Sad, sad...
I can't wait until they find the meteor.
Insightful?!!! This is troll bait.
Just goes to show how stupid this /. poser is. Slap an Apple logo on a device and all rational reasoning ability goes out the window.
Yeah, they have a "vertical monopoly" in their own product space slashtard. Nothing illegal about that, close to a monopoly, or even worrisome.
I'd agree with you but since you are using an idiotic flamebait reference to a computing device I will not.
THIS WHOLE parent reply should be marked TROLL, FLAMEBAIT simply for Wasted energy man, wasted energy.
Yea ... really like Pixelmator, and, Acorn too. Particularly Acorn's vector capabilities.
This isn't about any of your anti ranting. It's not about you, me, or "people that will buy whatever Steve tells them they need and hype it for him endlessly?".
It's about a pretty good product people want. Not your dreams or anyone elses particularly. There is no need to attempt to brand purchasers of a _thing_ a fanboy, a hero, or a sheep. It just is and this convo is a waste of energy.
It's (the iPad) a great little device, it doesn't blow smoke up my ass and it doesn't do everything but damn it has been nice to have.
Did you throw in the word "proprietary" just to sound cool? How does Apple support rich text output in proprietary text formats?
The on screen keyboard is not the best for long posts but I do quite well with bits like this, and even longer emails. In fact
I've gotten sort of quick at this on screen keyboard, only in landscape mode though.
Why don't Google docs work? Something short in mobile safari?
I did notice the particular type of editable field in Wordpress not being editable on my iPad but then just opened the nice Wordpress app and kept on trucking.
----
Here on this site I can't ad just the threshold of comments seen. The slider doesn't work for some reason.
Overall mobile safari is pretty damn impressive. MUCH more impressive than the web browser I built (not).
They also blame all bugs on Apple or in the case of not being able to save file error "Could not save (file name) because the file is already in use or left open" ...
Seriously. Check out this thread. The only app on any Mac or Windows computer I use (and that's a handful) which gives this kind of error and Adobe blames the OS vendors. All those other apps which save files never report this problem, EVER!
What is Adobe's reply? It's outside of Photoshop, it's NOT ADOBE's problem.
Check out the thread at Adobe forums:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/2712066
Also required reading for this thread:
http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/sorry-adobe-you-screwed-yourself/
Adobe has become quite arrogant and unfocused IMO. The problem is for me the lack of a Photoshop competitor. I use Illustrator less than a long time ago so the various replacements work well in this space.
Studies prove that playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare does not increase a soldier's ability to survive an actual firefight or roadside bombing.
Interesting. I may have to try something new.
I also have a Mac Mini connected to an HD tv via HDMI.
Dunno how many years old now but it's a 1.66GHz Core Duo with 1GB ram.
It's connected to a RAID device located in the basement via FireWire. This storage device holds all my music and video.
I have an Addesso Mini wireless keyboard with built-in trackpad which I love.
I rent from iTunes, watch in Netflix, Hulu, other sites...
It's connected to an older amplifier which is connected to speakers and another DVD/VHS player.
I also use an AirTunes Express cube with self powered speakers to listen to stuff while I work or lounge upstairs, using the iPhone/Pod Remote app to select songs.
I'd highly recommend this sort of setup. I've read of others using a similar form factor running other OS's mine just happens to be tied into the Apple empire and I'm good with all that.
... and the OP should actually link to the article, not another summation of the article!
Here: http://www.livescience.com/culture/video-game-boys-learning-100316.html
Not to mention, the study did a, well I don't know what you'd call it in those circles, but there was a starvation aspect to this study.
The kids were pining for a video game console, they didn't get one, the parents caved, they played a lot and neglected their studies. Big science or coincidence? Hard to tell with this limited view IMO.
I'd prefer to see a few follow ups in the long term to gauge the real potential for video games to inhibit learning.
I'd also agree with some that perhaps it's not video games per se as the learning inhibitor, but mostly the fact that their finite amount of time was spent playing a video game rather than doing home work, reading, or other activities.
We definitely limit the amount of screen time our children can have, per day, any device included in the time allotment. 1 hour max except on some rainy weekend days.
-- editorial comment --
So /. is now posting stories to synopsis sites/aggregators like Yahoo? rather than the original source? Seems like a big FAIL to me.
Source story: http://www.livescience.com/culture/video-game-boys-learning-100316.html
I just love to see a gaggle of AC's get all riled up at each other.
[Cpt Kirk]
More bandwidth Scotty
[Scotty]
I'm giving her all she's got!!!
Not intending flamebait, but I'm not certain your first language is english. Where do I insinuate I want to outlaw scalping?!?!?!
I state "Gee, smells like unbridled capitalism to me."
Oh, maybe you were replying to the parent and not me? But I'm the one claiming to be a socialist libertarian.
Get your threads straight man! I hope you don't code for a living!
Gee, smells like unbridled capitalism to me. But what would I know? I'm a socialist/libertarian.