I've worked with two different programmers who used non-keyboard interfaces to program. One was indeed voice, and the other was a joystick he controlled with his mouth.
Are you seriously suggesting, that NOBODY is allowed to make suggestions and/or comments about ANY software, unless they themselves are able to write a replacement for said software?
What software are we talking about? ODF? Like I said, it's not a piece of software, it's a specification. They might as well be complaining about TCP packets not supporting disabled people.
What the [censored] is wrong with lobbying about the lack of a feature (even if it is a bit misguided to complain about a document format, rather than a reader)?
This is exactly my point. It's misguided to complain about an open format. The solution is to create software.
From the article: "The Disability Policy Consortium is prepared to file a lawsuit if the state doesn't follow through on that promise, Winske said. It is also considering legal action over the use of forms that are inaccessible to the blind on the state's Virtual Gateway health and social services Web site."
Their solution is lawsuits. Lawuits cost money. Why don't they spend their money paying a team to make software that solves their problem instead of paying lawyers to line their pockets?
How the [censored] do you expect software developers to come up with neat things (like, say for instance, a nice way for OpenOffice etc. to work with screen writers) if people don't mention the fact, that it is missing?
There's certainly no global shortage of software feature requests.
It's like saying jpeg isn't accessible. If this guy feels "screwed again", he should do something about it. And I mean write some software, not complain and lobby.
Does that affect regular editing? Most programming languages I use have semicolon delimiters.
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Oops. HTML-stripping screwed up my keystroke example.
SciTE: "^S filename enter ^W" = 3 keystrokes + filename vi: "ESC : w q space filename enter" = 6 keystrokes + filename
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I think he was actually alluding to a completely different behavior. You want to save your changes and immediately exit from editing a file. On modern word processors / text editors you can do it one of two ways: 1) Ctrl-S. Enter filename. Click Save. Click the X (or Ctrl-W, etc) to close the program. 2) Click the X to close the program. Get prompted "Would you like to save your changes?" Click "OK". Type filename. Click Save.
In vi type ":wq " and you're done.
There's no need for mouse clicks. Indeed, fewer keystrokes are needed in SciTE (or any modern text editor) than in vi.
The "vi is more efficient" arguments are tiresome, and generally wrong. Vi is about as efficient as any other text editor.
vi/vim are archaic and non-intuitive to those unfamiliar with them. Those who familiarize themselves with them can become quite efficient. I personally do like certain GUI based editors (jEdit for one) and will use them a lot of the time. But for an ssh connection or working through the console, vim is my first choice. And since most of my programming for work is done through an SSH connection, I'm in vi more often than not.
Agreed, vi is definitely useful for editing over console ssh connections.
Well, the command ":wq!" doesn't really make sense. It's really no different from ":wq". It's saying "Write the file to disk, then force quit". Using ":q!" means "force quit, without saving or asking me anything". So it's kind of contridiction.
My thoughts exactly. It was one of the gp's examples.
But it's sounds as if you are bringing up an issue with vi that doesn't really exist. Open a new file in SciTE and enter some text. Hit Ctrl-S, don't enter a filename, and click "Save" (if it's not greyed out). Does it automagically choose a filename for you and save the file? No, it won't allow you to save until you've chosen a filename. Vi is doing the exact same thing, that's all.
The SciTE approach takes fewer keystrokes and prompts me for a filename. The vi approach just tells me my whole command failed (or maybe just part of it?) and I have to try again. Not exactly the same thing, but similar.
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And you press "SHIFT-;" to achieve this. Two keys. My question stands.
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Sure, ^S is simple. But then you are in "the mercy of the editor" mode. Then your editor is going to ask you, "Do you want to save your changes?" "Do you really want to overwrite the file?" "Are you really, really sure you want to save this file?" "What filename do you want?"
Umm, no. Just ctrl-s. I think notepad is the only editor I've seen with the problem you describe.
In vim, I can do ":w newfilename". ":q!" ":w!" ":wq!" or what have you. I'm in control, not my editor.
Open vi without a filename, insert some text, then ":wq!". I see "E32: No file name", and I'm still in the editor. I thought q! meant "really quit". SciTE recognizes that I want to save a file that I haven't named yet. So, ctrl-s filename. WorksForMe.
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Except for capital letters I've never had to press two buttons at once, ever... for example, hitting the control button requires shifting your hand in an akward position wheras:w you don't have to move whatsoever
Please explain how you manage to type ":" without pressing two buttons at once.
cans have been reported failing to heat adequately or, more disturbingly, exploding and melting through the packaging
It was extremely disturbing to find out that these devices fail to heat adequately. Sadness, loss, fear... The emotions are hard to even describe. Who could imagine the story would get more disturbing than that?
A negative refractive index bends refracted light to the same side of the tangent line as the incident ray. While certainly interesting, I don't see how this could possibly be used to cloak a nearby object. It could make for some really cool sunglasses though.
the markup on those systems more than makes up for the bloatware kickbacks.
Dell makes money on volume, so a small per-machine bloatware kickback still adds up to big numbers for them. Large manufacturers count every penny on their items.
I had a similar experience with Sprint wireless. I got a call on my cell phone saying Sprint was investigating my account because it had been flagged for fraud. Then they ask me to tell them the first 5 digits of my SSN to confirm my account. I asked them if there was a number I could call them back at, and they told me that I had 2 options: I had to give them the information then and there, or go to a Sprint store to confirm it, otherwise my phone service would be disconnected. It seemed likely that whoever was calling was phishing, so I hung up. I immediately called customer service and asked them about it. I was told that nobody would ever call me and ask me for that information. A couple hours later, my phone service was shut off.
I was on a camping trip at the time, and so it was a couple of days before I called Sprint from a land line. They told me that I had to go to a Sprint store to get it turned back on. I went to a Sprint store the next day. They were generally clueless, and eventually said that because my account was flagged for fraud, they couldn't turn it back on! Needless to say, I decided to dump Sprint at that point.
It is not clear if they got $15m in savings by moving from Windows, another flavor of *nix, or some old paper based system.
RTFA, specifically paragraph 4:
"By migrating from a costly crayon, construction-paper, scissors, and Elmer's glue-based platform to Red Hat Enterprise Linux on its workstations, servers and at the hub site, the FAA was able to eliminate costs and ineffective systems, while creating a scalable architecture that met their high-demand environment today and for the future."
I might have made a typo or two, so be sure to refer to the original article.
most Linux distributions don't have firewalls enabled by default.
That was my thought too. And the people who say that everyone should be using an external router/firewall don't seem to realize that the vast majority of them don't block outgoing, which is what this "news" is about.
My Level 72 "EA Executive" beats your "EA Developer" every time. All those who fool with my "Business Suit of Uninformed Late Redesign" will feel my wrath.
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A small 54% increase in external clock gives a huge 54% increase in core clock? Huh?
Yes. It works like a lever. Except without the leverage.
I've worked with two different programmers who used non-keyboard interfaces to program. One was indeed voice, and the other was a joystick he controlled with his mouth.
Are you seriously suggesting, that NOBODY is allowed to make suggestions and/or comments about ANY software, unless they themselves are able to write a replacement for said software?
What software are we talking about? ODF? Like I said, it's not a piece of software, it's a specification. They might as well be complaining about TCP packets not supporting disabled people.
What the [censored] is wrong with lobbying about the lack of a feature (even if it is a bit misguided to complain about a document format, rather than a reader)?
This is exactly my point. It's misguided to complain about an open format. The solution is to create software.
From the article: "The Disability Policy Consortium is prepared to file a lawsuit if the state doesn't follow through on that promise, Winske said. It is also considering legal action over the use of forms that are inaccessible to the blind on the state's Virtual Gateway health and social services Web site."
Their solution is lawsuits. Lawuits cost money. Why don't they spend their money paying a team to make software that solves their problem instead of paying lawyers to line their pockets?
How the [censored] do you expect software developers to come up with neat things (like, say for instance, a nice way for OpenOffice etc. to work with screen writers) if people don't mention the fact, that it is missing?
There's certainly no global shortage of software feature requests.
I think you meant : "you can't hold your cake & eat it", this guy has muscular distrophy !
If I had mod points, I would definitely use one here. I'm just not sure if it would be +1 or -1.
It's like saying jpeg isn't accessible. If this guy feels "screwed again", he should do something about it. And I mean write some software, not complain and lobby.
Does that affect regular editing? Most programming languages I use have semicolon delimiters.
Oops. HTML-stripping screwed up my keystroke example.
SciTE: "^S filename enter ^W" = 3 keystrokes + filename
vi: "ESC : w q space filename enter" = 6 keystrokes + filename
I think he was actually alluding to a completely different behavior. You want to save your changes and immediately exit from editing a file. On modern word processors / text editors you can do it one of two ways:
1) Ctrl-S. Enter filename. Click Save. Click the X (or Ctrl-W, etc) to close the program.
2) Click the X to close the program. Get prompted "Would you like to save your changes?" Click "OK". Type filename. Click Save.
In vi type ":wq " and you're done.
There's no need for mouse clicks. Indeed, fewer keystrokes are needed in SciTE (or any modern text editor) than in vi.
SciTE: "^S ^W [I'm] [already] [done]"
vi: "ESC : w q "
The "vi is more efficient" arguments are tiresome, and generally wrong. Vi is about as efficient as any other text editor.
vi/vim are archaic and non-intuitive to those unfamiliar with them. Those who familiarize themselves with them can become quite efficient. I personally do like certain GUI based editors (jEdit for one) and will use them a lot of the time. But for an ssh connection or working through the console, vim is my first choice. And since most of my programming for work is done through an SSH connection, I'm in vi more often than not.
Agreed, vi is definitely useful for editing over console ssh connections.
Well, the command ":wq!" doesn't really make sense. It's really no different from ":wq". It's saying "Write the file to disk, then force quit". Using ":q!" means "force quit, without saving or asking me anything". So it's kind of contridiction.
My thoughts exactly. It was one of the gp's examples.
But it's sounds as if you are bringing up an issue with vi that doesn't really exist. Open a new file in SciTE and enter some text. Hit Ctrl-S, don't enter a filename, and click "Save" (if it's not greyed out). Does it automagically choose a filename for you and save the file? No, it won't allow you to save until you've chosen a filename. Vi is doing the exact same thing, that's all.
The SciTE approach takes fewer keystrokes and prompts me for a filename. The vi approach just tells me my whole command failed (or maybe just part of it?) and I have to try again. Not exactly the same thing, but similar.
And you press "SHIFT-;" to achieve this. Two keys. My question stands.
Sure, ^S is simple. But then you are in "the mercy of the editor" mode. Then your editor is going to ask you, "Do you want to save your changes?" "Do you really want to overwrite the file?" "Are you really, really sure you want to save this file?" "What filename do you want?"
Umm, no. Just ctrl-s. I think notepad is the only editor I've seen with the problem you describe.
In vim, I can do ":w newfilename". ":q!" ":w!" ":wq!" or what have you. I'm in control, not my editor.
Open vi without a filename, insert some text, then ":wq!". I see "E32: No file name", and I'm still in the editor. I thought q! meant "really quit". SciTE recognizes that I want to save a file that I haven't named yet. So, ctrl-s filename. WorksForMe.
Except for capital letters I've never had to press two buttons at once, ever ... for example, hitting the control button requires shifting your hand in an akward position wheras :w you don't have to move whatsoever
Please explain how you manage to type ":" without pressing two buttons at once.
cans have been reported failing to heat adequately or, more disturbingly, exploding and melting through the packaging
It was extremely disturbing to find out that these devices fail to heat adequately. Sadness, loss, fear... The emotions are hard to even describe. Who could imagine the story would get more disturbing than that?
I guess if he makes more than one prediction at once, there's more of a chance that he'll be right with at least one of them!
In some sense, then, Dvorak is like one of the million proverbial monkeys typing for a million years.
a display the size of a stamp and a resolution that makes you wonder if that what you're shooting at is supposed to be a plane or a donkey.
The developers of "Flying Donkey Storm 3" really did some amazing work. You definitely can tell you're shooting at donkeys.
Yeah, it's not really an ancient pyramid. It's a huge casino in the shape of an ancient pyramid.
I think their case would have been stronger if they'd included MSN search in their search options on installation.
What are you talking about? Google's web browser?
the markup on those systems more than makes up for the bloatware kickbacks.
Dell makes money on volume, so a small per-machine bloatware kickback still adds up to big numbers for them. Large manufacturers count every penny on their items.
I had a similar experience with Sprint wireless. I got a call on my cell phone saying Sprint was investigating my account because it had been flagged for fraud. Then they ask me to tell them the first 5 digits of my SSN to confirm my account. I asked them if there was a number I could call them back at, and they told me that I had 2 options: I had to give them the information then and there, or go to a Sprint store to confirm it, otherwise my phone service would be disconnected. It seemed likely that whoever was calling was phishing, so I hung up. I immediately called customer service and asked them about it. I was told that nobody would ever call me and ask me for that information. A couple hours later, my phone service was shut off.
I was on a camping trip at the time, and so it was a couple of days before I called Sprint from a land line. They told me that I had to go to a Sprint store to get it turned back on. I went to a Sprint store the next day. They were generally clueless, and eventually said that because my account was flagged for fraud, they couldn't turn it back on! Needless to say, I decided to dump Sprint at that point.
It is not clear if they got $15m in savings by moving from Windows, another flavor of *nix, or some old paper based system.
RTFA, specifically paragraph 4:
"By migrating from a costly crayon, construction-paper, scissors, and Elmer's glue-based platform to Red Hat Enterprise Linux on its workstations, servers and at the hub site, the FAA was able to eliminate costs and ineffective systems, while creating a scalable architecture that met their high-demand environment today and for the future."
I might have made a typo or two, so be sure to refer to the original article.
In the UK, it will be released as the Nintendo Loo.
most Linux distributions don't have firewalls enabled by default.
That was my thought too. And the people who say that everyone should be using an external router/firewall don't seem to realize that the vast majority of them don't block outgoing, which is what this "news" is about.
Hey, if you don't like 1-ply you can always fold it in half.
And if you don't like 2-ply, you can separate the sheets. Keep in mind that this works best before you wipe.
A fast replacement for MIDI!
My Level 72 "EA Executive" beats your "EA Developer" every time. All those who fool with my "Business Suit of Uninformed Late Redesign" will feel my wrath.