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World's Largest Pyramid Discovered in Bosnia?
kieran writes "Archaeologists have apparently begun to unearth a massive pyramid which had been masquerading as a hill in the Bosnian town of Visoko. At an estimated 722ft in height, it is expected to be 1/3 taller than Egypt's Great Pyramid of Giza."
This 'pyramid' was actually discovered in October of last year, but all news was suppressed due to 'security concerns'...concerns that would appear to have merit, given Condoleezza Rice's bizzare change in appearance and behavior after she visited the site on a U.S. fact-finding mission.
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There's not much resolution from this satellite image, but here's the pyramid's location using Google maps.
I'm a little dubious here - the lead of this project, Semir Osmanagic says (from abc) he sees astonishing similarities between the structures and Mexican pyramids dating back to about 200 AD, which also come in pairs, one believed to represent the Sun and the other the Moon.
How can he know that with so little excavated? And his foundation has the rather fortean-timesish name of "Archaeological Park: Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun Foundation"
There's a far better (and longer) article at the art newspaper.
You can also the have a look at the photos of the hill (scroll down) in this bosnian forum (yup, looks like a pyramid).
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
The world's largest pyramid is soon to be discovered. I believe the link to this pyramid is here.
Whoops.
I once read Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock which explored in depth the theory that ancient civilizations are linked by a possible master race. It is a very loose theory in that I ended the book more confused than anything and doubting not only Hancock but also the conventional history I learned in school. Whether that's good or bad, I can't really say.
What I can say is that even if they were half baked theories they certainly were outside the box.
In it, the position and building of massive structures (like pyramids) are very important to his theories. He linked the Egyptian and Incan/Pima cultures via structures and similarities in creation stories (the latter being quite weak). The worst part is that at the end he alludes to a possible alien influence in the matter of building these massive structures (because we can't understand what technology they used).
With this (possibly) even larger structure, I'm certain that this will give him more ammo for another book.
If you're interested in things like this, it's a good read. You can take pieces of it like the famous Pirie Ries maps that were coverd by Charles Hapgood. A similar theory is the also famous 1421 Theory. Be warned that many of these theories are unverifiable and can amount to simply someone's imagination running wild. They rely on events thousands of years old--a time darker than the the dark ages.
Be caution that most of the links below Hancock's Wikipedia page are just rebuttles disproving him as much of his work is a bit hard to swallow.
My work here is dung.
You know it strikes me that if things this big can escape our detection on a daily basis, just what else are we missing that may lie right in front of us. I mean this is of utterly rediculous proportions and yet it escaped both our vision, and our history? I think this must be added to the list of world wonders, word wonders how we missed it!
Go ahead and call me unreliable; reliable is just a synonym for predictable.
I am sure that a lot more funds are spent toward oil-finding than pyramids-finding.
Also we consume less pyramids than oil. That makes finding them a lesser strategical objective.
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Maybe they will finally find my Stargate so i can leave this silly little corrupt planet WOOT!
We have finally found the ancient outpost! Or it could be that Pyrimid from Aliens VS Predator....
There is little financial incentive in discovering lost pyramids. If some of the largest, wealthiest corporations on the planet were motivated to find pyramids, they would have found this one decades ago.
Always right on top of things, eh, editors?
First: The Bosnian "pyramid" (a roughly four-sided hill where they've found nothing but a mound of dirt so far) hit the news last year, in Early November IIRC.
Second, the fellow cho claims it a pyramid ranks right up there with Uri Gellar as far as credibility goes, according to Archaology last week.
So +5 for topical, but minus a million for reporting on entirely the wrong end of the issue. They didn't just discover it, they just debunked the discovery.
I've seen a news clip or two about this newly discovered pyramid. One of them was with the discoverer standing in the foreground and the pyramid in the backgroud. It looks just like a mountain, except the sides are the same length and exactly the same angle. How do thousands of years go by without someone looking at it and think 'That mountain is just a little two symmetrical.. Hmm..'. I've seen quite a few different mountain ranges, and I don't recall any of them being perfectly symmetrical.
How do you miss something like that for so long?
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...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us.
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmana
This passage in the link above from one of his other masterpieces pretty much sums it up:
Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge.
Pretty strong meat there from Semir (Sam) Osmanagic...
this story is utterly false and the dude who discovered it is a crazy. Here is a link with handy details. http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/
That proves it.
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One could even argue that the bosnian-serbian war would have been very different...
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I'm not going to point to a particular site, but if you do a google image search on the words: bosnia pyramid
You'll find pictures of it. I'm kind of surprised nobody has considered the possibility before. If you see some pictures that give you a better 3D view of it, it very clearly has 4 slopes at 90 degree angles.
Very cool find, though.
This is why Europe is, even today, a world leader in pyramids. You can outsource all the pyramid building you want to the israelites, but when you employ cheap slave labor, you get 1/3 less cubits.
U send me pyramid 4 ur outsourced job plz.
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/
I hope that this doesn't turn out to be linked to some religion or other. All we need is another whacko group claiming to have the only true religion, and proof of its veracity in this pyramid. I truly do hope that this is built by, or inspired by alien visitors, perhaps stranded travellers or something. As long as its anything but more religious hype/tripe/your-fav-bad-thing-here.
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So, what does this tell us about history of the Egyptians? This is a great find that can explain alot of events. Personally, I wonder who or what is in it. I suppose we'll have to wait til the end of the summer.
If this is the first one to be found in Europe, could this mean they were built due to Egyptian conquering or were they maybe the first ones?
That which does not kill me only postpones the inevitable.
Considering its covered in TREES, the fact we never noticed isnt suprising. It looks like a big blob of earth.
However, i agree about not being noticed in our history.. THAT is the odd part.. Something that large should have got at least a passing mention.
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Is that a pyramid in your hill, or are you just happy to see me?
So apparently it's now surprising that humans might want to put survival first?
Why didn't someone tell it when the masquerade ball was over?
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no, not the ones for the Peach State.
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From the on line version of the magazine 'Archeology' (published by the Archaeological Institute of America):
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmana
'Frenzied reporting of supposed pyramids in the Balkans ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic.'
RTFA, it will do you some good.
You can find large resolution photos and news on the Official website. Looks like they're still digging.
We should probably send Geraldo Rivera to investigate. His experience with Al Capone's vault makes him more than qualified.
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Look to the left side of this photo. Frighteningly symmetrical, is it not? And it blows away the Bosnian pyramid as to size.
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Penn is mostly famous for being a cranky magician. (I'm unfamiliar with O'Rourke, but I've heard the name. I'll assume you are correct in calling him a comedian.)
Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.
And everyone pointing to the archaeology organization site naming him as a nutjob, guess what folks? It won't be debunked until they've fully excavated the site. Whether or not the man in charge is crazy or not has little bearing on the validity of his claims, particularly when the evidence would be a gigantic fucking pyramid. There isn't anything to debate, it's either there or not.
Also, I'd say that a majority of the archaelogical society hates new findings that contradict their old theories, and can often go out of their way to ostracize and decredit people that publish or support findings that would invalidate all the time spent writing papers on any particularly well-accepted idea.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
See this: http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/
According to the article, Osmanagic is a "self-described archaeologist, who believes the Maya and others are descended from Atlanteans who came from the Pleiades".
It's startling that reporters aren't more skeptical about claims of pyramids larger than the Egyptian ones from 12000 BC.
The sad thing is that he's raised a lot of money with this hoax and with his dig he's going to destroy a log of real artifacts from a far less spectacular historical period (Roman ruins).
... that someone will eventually notice natural features that have vaguely pyramidal shapes, ignore those that do not, and write a book that sells well to people who are not good at science.
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Maybe, but then again, finding pyramids isn't a trillion dollar industry. If you told somebody they'd get a billion dollars for finding a pyramid larger than the Great Pyramid, then i'm sure someone would have found it long ago.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I'm propose we mine cubes as they contain twice the pyramid amount.
I'm calling Gene Ray,the cube specialist.
The Bosnia-Atlantis Connection - Frenzied reporting of supposed pyramids in the Balkans ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic.
...Noah's Ark of the Convenant, perched on the pyramid's side, exactly where Nostradamus said it would be.
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It's gotta be conan's tomb
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From the pictures on the web-sites linked to, it does seem reasonable to assume that there is something there. Geography is rarely THAT regular and it seems like the people digging have found evidence of blocks, construction, tunnels etc. These might be Roman or Ottoman era remains, or they might not.
History is long and great periods are undocumented or forgotten. It seems absolutely reasonable that the ruins of great civilization could have gone unnoticed in Bosnia especially as this area has seen almost constant and vicious warfare for most of the modern era. I think it is very unfortunate that this discovery has been tarred with pseudo-science before real results have been developed.
Why? They're two unrelated phenomona, and there's a significantly greater amount of effort being put into finding oil than into new archaeological sites.
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Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture.
That just proves that they were built by a superior alien race. Duhh.
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Seriously, why must we have to read on every populist or pseudo-science story out there? Are we competing with the New / American Scientist and Fortean Times? This guy is a nutter and his 'research' has been widely criticised and discredited.
Is it too much to ask for the submitters and editors to do a simple Google/Wikipedia search on the articles and maybe include a hint of criticism and doubt when faced with such BS stories.
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Our discovery of this pyramid was orchestrated by the predators to lure us there so that when they revive the alien queen and she starts laying her eggs, there would be hosts for the face-huggers to implant their eggs. Once a few aliens are running around, down will come some teenage predators looking to pass their manhood ritual by trying to survive an alien hunt in the pyramid. It's all been foretold here. Beware if the predators lose though, they'll blow the whole place up.
For an example of his unique theories, here's an excerpt from his book, "The World of the Maya":
Ordinary watchmakers repair our watches and put them into accordance with Earthly time. It is my theory that the Maya should be considered watchmakers of the cosmos whose mission it is to adjust the Earthly frequency and bring it into accordance with the vibrations of our Sun. Once the Earth begins to vibrate in harmony with the Sun, information will be able to travel in both directions without limitation. And then we will be able to understand why all ancient peoples worshipped the Sun and dedicated their rituals to this. The Sun is the source of all life on this planet and the source of all information and knowledge. ...And with a frequency in harmony, the Earth will, via the Sun, be connected with the center of our Galaxy. These facts become exceptionally important when we realize that we are rapidly approaching December 2012, a date which the Maya have marked as the time of arrival of the Galactic Energy Cluster which will enlighten us.
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I am surprised any European believes what a Texan claims as evidence.
(sometimes I am ashamed to be a Texan and as a sixth generation Texan, that is saying a lot.)
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Many people were labeled as 'nutjobs' over the course of history, and now their theories are being taught in college courses. Solid proof is important. The below, which is very easy to verify is solid proof that there is a man-made structure at any place, in archeological respect : "Earlier research on the hill, known as Visocica, found that it has perfectly shaped, 45-degree slopes pointing toward the cardinal points, and a flat top. Under layers of dirt, workers discovered a paved entrance plateau, entrances to tunnels and large stone blocks."
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April 28, 2006 | 11:40 p.m. ET
Pyramid problems: Is the tale of the Bosnian pyramid too good to be true? Last week, The Associated Press reported evidence that a 2,120-foot-high hill in central Bosnia-Herzegovina might actually be a buried step pyramid. This week, Archaeology magazine questioned the scientific soundness of the operation and its leader, amateur archaeologist Semir Osmanagic. Archaeology quotes experts who say there's little more to the project than "sensationalism and grandstanding," and worry that it may be damaging legitimate artifacts from medieval, Roman and Illyrian times.
There's certainly a good deal of kookiness surrounding the story. Osmanagic, for example, links his pyramid theories to Atlantis and the Maya, while an online petition aimed at stopping Osmanagic's dig refers darkly to U.S.-orchestrated conspiracy theories. Stay tuned for further twists in the tale, and feel free to send in your comments after you read Archaeology magazine's report.
You are reading a copy of my copyrighted post.
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/
"Too bad that it is not a credible story at all. In fact, it is impossible. Who is the "archaeologist" who has taken the media for a ride?
They said the same thing about the guy that found the lost city of Troy.
Let the nutjob dig up the site some, then we'll know. I'm really not happy about "real" archeologist simply declaring that something is impossible.
The train was declared impossible.
Meteorites were declared impossible.
Heliocentrism was declared impossible.
Heavier than air aeronefs were declared impossible.
The experts keep using that word, I do not think it means what they think it means.
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Where did the poster imply any surprise?
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This "Pyramid" theory was announced more than a week ago, and has since been debunked. Way to go.
It's only after they excavate the soil and rock from around it that the true shape and size of the pyramid will be apparent!
The center of the earth is thought to be a core of solid iron.
Running "Semir Osmanagic" through the Internet Anagram Server can be time well spent.
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What I however find most amusing are on the one hand the leaps of faith were assumption after assumption is made only to then conclude the end result to be fact. In this case it is assumed the document was found in a certain part of egypt. They then use the fact that the document is in a certain style/era to then claim that because they found another cave with artifacts in that style/era that it could very well be the cave.
WTF? First off, just because the document was from an era/style DOES NOT mean it has to have spend all the time in a cave of the era/style. It could have been picked up before an buried somewhere else. Second of all just because some cave contains stuff from the same era that does not mean that the object must have come from that region.
Oh look. A pair of mickey mouse ears. They must have come from florida!
Eh? No? They could have come not only from one of the other disney parks but they in fact never have come from a park at all.
Then there is the other side. The entire program is about how there are more gospels then there are known today. It is shown that a mere human decided wich gospels would be included in the new testament.
It is even clearly shown that very simple political and marketting reasons lay behind the choice.
So then what do people think about the Judas gospel. Well it is funny but the "real" gospels are somehow still more real and have something holy about them.
WTF? Just goes to show that facts and believes have nothing to do with each other.
But I suppose that if you have to answer the question why and how did the egyptians build the pyramids the answer "bored, lots and lots of people with no tv to watch" just doesn't cut it. Better to get some fantasy going. Star people! Yeah, never mind that amazing as the pyramids are they seem kinda primitive for a star faring civilization.
I just go with the old prove for the fact that we have been visited by intelligent aliens in the past. They ain't been back. Smart move.
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It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
...the theory that ancient civilizations are linked by a possible master race.
Stargates.
This has all already be explained by MacGyver, what more do you need?
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Yo! I found a European pyramid!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefz/115233678/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Cestius
As the photographer says:
"What makes my head spin is the thought that this was built 2,000 years ago, as a copy of the Great Pyramid which was built 2,500 years before that"
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Read on http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmanag ic/ :
"In the sacred Mayan book, the Popul Vuh, there are descriptions of cosmic travelers, the use of the compass, the fact that the Earth is round, and **knowledge of the secrets of the universe**...."
They can count to 42 ! OMG PYRAMIDS !
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Must be John Dvorak I would be willing to bet.
Actually, a lot of recent evidence suggests that the pyramids where not built by slaves, but rather by paid workers. See below:
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Similar to my own, except for two things. The Mayan aren't watchmakers so much as watches, and we are all watches, although clocking devices would be a better term.
As just another symptom of how lax and sloppy this reporting is, IF this weren't a complete load of bollocks, wouldn't it have been nice if the the internet-posted story would offer WEB LINKS (or at least long/lat) of the coordinates, so those of us with google earth (ie everyone) could look at the satellite pics for ourselves?
No, of course they aren't available.
More interesting would be a psychological paper on the strange compulsion of the Slavic peoples to keep trying to 'validate' themselves, frequently pointing to dubious claims of some superlative or another: the first, the last, the biggest, the tallest, the oldest, etc. etc. They have plenty to be proud about, but it never seems...enough?
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From what i saw, a topo map would just show a big bump.. However an IR map should have stood out like a sore thumb i bet.
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"That's all very well, but that Archaeology article spends all it's time slamming the person, not discussing his claims"
No, there's an entire paragraph on why it's impossible.
BUT THAT WASN'T THE POINT OF THAT ARTICLE.
The point, which you obviously missed, was that in the search for new and amazing discoveries, the media
"ignores the truth and embraces the fantastic."
This article was an indictment of the media's behavior, not an ad hominem attack on the guy and his results.
"The pyramid announcement does seem very premature and is probably something else (or a fake) but I'd like to see some discussion of what he's found, which is not in that article."
IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE. The article, AGAIN, was a critique of the behavior of the media, and their willingness to embrace "fringe" characters in an effort to report dramatic findings.
You completely missed the point, and yet SOMEHOW got modded up.
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he put up pictures himself: http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Archive_files/240420 06.html
Any archeologist or rather: geologist has anything to say about this: does this look artificial or natural (at least one of the pics looks *really* natural in origin in my untrained eyes)
May 1st is the Bosnian April Fools Day?
I have been following this story since October of last year, there has been a lot of information published and a lot of time spent on either side of 'piramidasa' and 'antipiramidasa' arguing whether the former pyramid believers and later pyramid non-believers are right. Here is a link to a satellite analysis of the region http://piramidasunca.ba/ajaxfiles/epodmeni/eizvjes taji/Geophysical%20Analysis.pdf
At http://www.astreamagazine.com/osmanagic_serie_radi o_frm.html there are links to an interview with astraea magazine, good listen a direct link at http://www.astreamagazine.com/interviews/osmanagic /osmanagic_high.m3u
At http://www.piramidasunca.ba/ you can find the official foundation site and more pictures, click on the British flag for english version :).
Also googling "sarajevo-x piramida" will get you a link to a forum that's been going since last year, with posts mainly in Bosnian with some in English.
You always point your finger at the bad guy, but what if the bad guy points his finger at you?
Still, the Gaza pyramids are way off the equator. Perhaps the Bosnian were meant to be located at 45N.
Both type efforts (archaeology and minerals/oil location) are benefiting from satellite remote sensing. We just recently had the lost city in guatemala found, the huge impact craters in the sahara, etc from satellite analysis (radar/photo). The impact craters were also helped by web based universal access, google maps helped amateur researchers there.
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As to the bosnian pyramid, it has long been known/suspected there in the locals handed down oral histories. It was more accurately RE-discovered. Just like when western scientists "discover" some new animal the locals have been *eating* forever and have names for.
There's another interesting development off the coast of cuba, an alleged underwater city.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0
similar off of japan
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2004/s11072
(I am sure there are better links for those stories)
It's an interesting topic. A lot of oral and written tradition from around the world all relate a period in history with a "great flood". It will be nice if modern tech helps us discover what really happened and add to our knowledge of the real "olden days", whichever way it shakes out.
... when digging up ancient stuff in those southeastern regions of Europe. Especially just a little ways further northeast of the alleged pyramid, up in the valleys of the Transylvanian Alps.
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/index_files/image490 1.jpg is interesting.
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You can see that only two faces of the pyramid remain. But I must admit that by seeing this map, I would think "it looks like a pyramid with a collapsed part".
We also learn that the pyramid is 300m high ! This is huge !
Pictures of the stairs are also astonishing.
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/Archive_files/24042
Now, the strange things are :
- not a lot of pictures. The most used picture is a 1950's postal card. Why ? (it could be simply bad communication but we always have to be careful with pictures, remember the martian face).
- If the pictures are real, it must be really easy to have a proof. If the stair is a real stair, well, there is few doubt about it.
Both part being equals, the probable story is that we have a semi-natural pyramid. A natural hill with some human constructions to make it more "pyramid".
But, in this case :
- Why nobody ever saw it ? Why is there no legend ? No other trace of a civilization ? No artifact ?
- How can the global form of the pyramid in a such good state after years of erosion ? This is very strange that the good sides are on the river side ! 10000 years ago, the river was probably higher. In fact, the pyramid itself was probably done by the river.
The weakest point is certainly this river. Without the river, I would have say "why not ?". But if you look at the map, you will immediatly understand that "I looks like but it's not possible".
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The three terms on the pyramid story are:
fake, bullshit, hoax
Nice job.
Ummm, sorry but Bosnians are hardly Slavic per se, except for their language and the interracial marriages between them and Serbs and Croats. They're not Orthodox either, and most people postulate about their Illyrian ancestry.
Why do they always compare to the pyramids in Egypt? While they might be the most famous, they're not the largest. Cholula, Teotihuacan and Cahokia are much larger in size and volume than anything in Egypt.
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Do people just have a hard time admitting that the people who inhabited the Americas before Europeans showed up might have actually not be inferior? Perhaps it's just more comfortable to imagine them as haphazard small groups of primitive people running around in the forest than to realize they had just as advanced civilizations and cities as Europe, but mostly difference in appearance. And that their technology, while it took a different path, wasn't necessarily "inferior" at all?
What?
(a) that the folks who put the Hanging Gardens of Semiramis on the must-see list of the ancient world somehow missed a pyramid bigger than Cheops's on their doorstep,
(b) that a previously unknown pyramid-building civilization existed in European prehistory,
(c) that a nationalistic and highly imaginative Bosnian-American amateur archaeologist got a bit carried away?
Don't get me wrong, I'd absolutely love (b), especially as I just finished reading the Conan omnibus and all, but my money is on (c).
Actually, someone did find one bigger than the Great Pyramid long ago; in Mexico.
Would you care to elaborate that POV? I'm Bosnian myself, and interested in knowing.
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That was one of the best-written and most informative articles I've ever clicked to off of a slashdot discussion. A very good case study of the challenges and rewards of archeology.
It sounds like, although the labor force might not have been slaves, the system would have been somewhat similar to feudalism. Also, the article does not discuss the possibility of a hybrid work force of slaves and free workers, which I suspect would be just as possible.
That interpretation of the names (I presume they would've been heiroglyphic) is pretty funny. They sound like modern band or football (soccer) team names.
You take a large slug of metal, put a massive gunpowder charge behind it, fire the slug into the ground, and you read the "images" produced from sonar/whatever similar technology there is. Didn't you watch Jurassic Park? :)
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P.Z. Myers complained not long ago about their idiotic gee-gosh-golly reporting of the umpteenth claim that the Ark has been located on Mt. Ararat (Sleuth closes in on Noah's Ark mystery").
My first thought was this is so cool! Then it occurred to me that Europe did not develop large cultures needed to build stuff like this until the Greeks, and I think Bosnia was a very late bloomer. Who built it then? And how did it get covered with dirt? The article gives no clues, but some of the other articles indicate the man claiming the discovery thinks the people who built it were from Atlantis. Hmmm...
We have seismic imaging - two slugs in different places, preferably on opposite sides of the mountain, will almost IMMEDIATELY prove or disprove this.
Jurassic Park was a very handy reference for this - perhaps you should watch it again?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
To quote you, Minairia, "Geography is rarely THAT regular"
To quote THE LEVELORD "Nature rarely has right angles - make your terrain look natural by varying the angles and composition of structures that are not man-made.
In all fairness, Nature does make 90 degree things (Starolite, Bismuth hypergrowths, etc.) But almost every single one of those is done on a very SMALL scale. To have something this large, with what is assumed to be 90 degree angles, will generally hint at it being man-made.
Holy hell I never thought I'd use a game level designer's quote to back up an archeological dig.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
(Mass transit is infinitely superior to cars, anyway, and any "socialist" worthy of the title should know this. Wiping out a key piece of history is also about as anti-social as you can get. Besides which, the city can't take up that much space. Build the car park UNDER it. Spain does have mining equiptment, right? It's not totally deprived of technology, however bereft of wits it might be. Then you can have the ruins AND the car park.)
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To sum up the bleow article:
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1.When he claims these pyramids were build, the area was under a glacier.
2.The 15 years studing pyramids, were concocting crazy ideas about Alantis.
http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/osmana
"Huge dirt ramps and lots of slave labor."
Not supporting one theory over another, I have a basic engineering question. Some say that "huge dirt ramps" though a popular guess, is said to be an impossible / unlikely method to build the Great Pyramid at Giza given the amount of dirt needed to support the 10-70 ton blocks that make up the 146.5 metres (481 feet) tall monument. That the amount of dirt needed to support an average block at that height would collapse under it's own weight.
It is said this is a relatively simple problem of physics for engineers... so the question is... any engineering majors out there that can make a few quick calculations followign these ideas of "huge dirt ramps"?
Would really like someone to try some simple equations to shed light on the above. Also further interesting to note that the amount of dirt needed to build such a huge ramp was apparently never found... and the apparent evidence that the Egyptians were actually not very war-like or aggressive casting doubt on the "slaves" aspect of the idea.
Rimmer: "There are so many things we don't know about aliens! They could've helped built the Egyptian pyramids! After all, we have no idea how people could have built such huge pyramids."
Lister: "They had whips. Massive, massive whips."
Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
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"That's all very well, but that Archaeology article spends all it's time slamming the person, not discussing his claims, and reads a lot like a personal attack."
My post was an explanation to the GP, who clearly did not bother to even TRY and understand the context of the article, and instead, assumed it was something it wasn't.
"Why so frustrated?"
You're kidding, right? Do you know how amazingly irritating it is to see good posts that deserve more discussion tossed aside in favor or worthless tripe like this?
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Google gives the following article in Czech:
http://www.mwm.cz/CD/c1184.htm#I...20Piramidi
There was a buch of news articles about them in 2003 although its been quiet since.
Claims that SS is a Ponzi scheme overlook the factor that SS was designed so not all contributors survive long enough to collect from it. You might as well call it a tontine. Or you could just call it a giant slushfund that the government uses to buy the votes of the elderly.
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You mean the guy who picks up whatever flavor-of-the-month ideology is the latest thing? Much like most of Slashdot does?
Score: -1, True But Offends Me Personally As A Sheep
i remember being told by the tour guides at stonehenge that the little hills dotted around are burial mounds.
what they didn't tell us was that they were the tops of pyramids and there's another 720ft under the earth!
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It would not surprise me in the least if there is a pyramid in Europe, somewhere. Stone circle technology migrated from somewhere in the north of Scotland down through Britain and much of Europe. Pyramids, once the technology was mastered, would have looked far more impressive and would therefore likely have appealed to societies that went seriously overboard on monumental constructions. Indeed, the idea that nobody the Egyptians traded with bought access to pyramid technology, when they bought any other technology they could lay their hands on, seems absurd.
However absurd the notion of there not being something akin to a pyramid in Europe, it should be kept in mind that none has been found and no evidence exists that any were ever built. It is certainly possible that a pyramid has accumulated so much topsoil that it has become a hill - this happened to a number of Duns in Scotland. This seems awfully large, though, and I'd want more evidence first.
Are there more likely possibilities? Yes. We do have limited evidence that European cultures may have built underground settlements and much more evidence that they built underground tombs. This would explain the apparent tunnel into the mountain. We also have EXTENSIVE evidence that Europeans terraced hills and mountains - there are many known examples, even if we don't always know the reasons. Virtually everything so far discovered can be accounted for by these known and established facts alone.
Does this mean that there's something there? No. Merely that what is described has proven alternative explanations. The guy has suspect credibility and the finds have not been confirmed (as far as I know) by any independent archaeologist. However, even a hoaxer will eventually find something of interest, even if it isn't what they say it is.
Does this mean it's not a pyramid? No. We won't know that until much more information has been collected. The largest provably man-made hill in the ancient world is Silbury Hill, and that's a mole-hill compared to this mountain, making it very unlikely that it is artificial. However, as I pointed out, the technology existed, technology was traded, and one-upmanship was the name of the game in those times.
For now, at least, I'll stick with the theory that the "steps" are indeed artificial but just your plain, ordinary, vanilla terraces that exist everywhere, that the mountain itself really is just a mountain and nothing more.
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Don't you know there is no spoon?
The days of the digital watch are numbered.
Keep your head buddy ... I just watch AVP and there some whacky stuff in those pyramids ... I mean the kinda stuff you could really lose a head over.
Has anyone thought that any 'ancients' could have simply took a mountain, and carved it into a pyramid? Theres been alot of landscaping as opposed to mountain building in many civilizations globally. It's quite possible that the geologic region was ripe for this sort of thing with faulting rocks in many forms. Much like the caves in arizona by the native americans.
Until that line of thought is disproven, it's hard to say if it's man made the same way as the egyptian pyramids were man made.
"...massive pyramid which had been masquerading as a hill" Moments later, UN officals ordered a blockade and sent 200 troop from Antartica to regulate and keep the peace with the surrounding hills. One was quoted, (translated),"We suspected something was wrong with the last centry they moved 2inches into a offivive positions." No other hills would comment at the time.
..obviously a gigantic pyramid as displayed by the photographic evidence. Also, somehow those rocks there are supposed to be "polished cubes". .. Reminds me of "America's Stonehenge" (a.k.a. "Mystery Hill")
Scythians inhabited Black Sea region and could have gone as far as Bosnia
Their burial mounds - kurgans were created in a similar fashion - stone chamber + artificial pyramidal hill. Some of the kurgans are as old as pyramids - 2000 BC.
Burial mounds like this are nothing new to Europe. In fact it's a traditional burial for nomands' nobility.
the raw link is here:1 058,+18.1793241944++(bosnian+pyramid)&ll=43.980093 ,18.179283&spn=0.040269,0.10849&t=h&om=1
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=43.980073
You can clearly see the edges of the big thing.
Seems quite clear to me that I'm looking at a shrub covered geometric shape.
decide for your self. enjoy
It isn't a lie if you belive it.
..I think this parent thread is a whacky conspiracy theory.
First of all, the White House can't even prevent its own leaks. What would have stopped AP, Reuters and many legions of reporters from mentioning this news about a pyramid discovery? Secondly, the "Pyramid" has not been actually discovered yet. In fact, there is no discovery. Local citizens have always referred to the site as a potential pyramid; I remember these legends being told to me since I was a child. The name of the site, Visoko, is a conjugated form of "tall".
This latest publicity stunt is just that - a publicity stunt. The person who is currently digging, gospodin Semir Osmanagic, should be given credit for revitalizing the interest in the site. In the name of science, he is going to need all the help he can get to push past the resistance of both skeptics and the local land speculators (yes, that is already happening in anticipation of discovery related tourism). In my opinion, he is a valued spearhead in the search for knowledge.
If there is a pyramid out there, let us all discover it patiently; conspiracy theories and quick conclusions are not helping. Bosnia has gone through waves of cultures over the years, from Illyrians to Ottomans. A Roman fortification was once built on top of the location; going through layers of discovery will take some time. This project needs careful support in terms of excavation and other logistics before the Bosnian winter sets in. How about a public call for archeological internships?
On the other hand, it would be nice to see an onslaught of frenzied Egyptologists pump up the Bosnian economy!
Can be found at http://www.bosnianpyramids.org/
It's completely uncredible. The "archeologist" behind this claims that it was built by descendents of Atlantis, who themselves came from the Pleiades.
Debunking here.
"The legitimate powers of government extend only to such acts as are injurious to others." Thomas Jefferson.
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I was so blocked I had to look it up...
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In other news, Amway announces it is to relocate its World HQ to Bosnia.
AT&ROFLMAO
For all the naysayers who scoff at the claims of a "wackjob" let's not forget Kary B. Mullis.
Is the guy a little "out there"? Sure, but his acheivements don't seem to be harmed by it.
Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
Osmaganic is a metal shop worker. A crackpot. There's a real effort among the Bosnian archeologists to stop the destruction of Visoko pre-neolitic site by Osmanagic's gang. Here's the petition:s nia/
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NoPyramidsInBo
I'm pretty certain that using slave labor was very much in the spirit of old mayan culture. ;) While the egyptian pyramids were (according to some documentary I saw, lol) primarily a well funded public works project, complete with relatively advanced medical care (e.g., bone setting and surgery), I don't think that applies to the pyramids across the pond.
Here's a link to Sam Osmanagics website:
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/indexeng.htm
Is that Richard Dean Anderson and Amanda Tapping investgating the pyrmaid in the backgroud?
I thought the largest pyramid in the world was in Ada, Michigan
...that the forces of Nod are already en route to claim the pyramid. No comment was available from GDI at this time.
Chris Mattern
"And everyone pointing to the archaeology organization site naming him as a nutjob, guess what folks? It won't be debunked until they've fully excavated the site."
Actually, if you had bothered to read "the archaeology organization site", you'd see how it is already debunked: "Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture."
You're telling me that small groups of hunter gatherers working out of their huts constructed pyramids larger than those in Egypt ON FRICKIN GLACIERS?!
They have found hundreds of miles of the Great Wall of China in the last 10 years.
Hey that that kind of looks like the rocks here or here or here or here.
and check out these regularily "cut" bad boys here.
But how do you explain natural pyramids?
Oh I don't know maybe this quote:
"If the glacier erodes three or more cirques on different sides of the mountain, a peak will begin to form. The peak may be a steep pyramid shaped rock, which is known as a horn. The Matterhorn in the Swiss Alps is a well known horn."
Yah!
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I assume we agree on this. Make sure you read the comment I was originally responding to (and the GP as well, for context).
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Yes, a thousand years of common understanding is definitely a reliable source of information. What have I been thinking, trusing empiricism and the modern sciences all these years? Clearly, I've been suffering from a brain fever, and need a good leeching to remove the black humours from my system.
I spent far too much money on education, when all I needed was the five thousand years of common understanding gathering dust on my bookshelf. I mean, if you can't trust that the first woman was grown from the rib of the first man, sho was in turn formed from river clay, then what can you trust?
Ok, I'm done now. It was really just that bit about the understanding that got me, the rest was quite insightful (though not informative, either the mods don't know the difference between the two words or they've recently moved from crack to LSD). Hope you aren't offended by the nitpicking.
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The second reason has to do with real and imagined history. The more pumped-up history is, the more likely people are to invent it. "Modern" America has very little meaningful history, which is why there is a booming trade in things like fake war medals. (Oh, and stolen Italian art, but that's another issue.) In Europe, where there really is history to speak of, there is a lot of pressure for major population centers to have something ancient in their backyard to draw the tourists in. That's been true for a long time. Victorians would build fake ruins ("follies") for the prestige value and would often "decorate" real ruins with gaudy fake relics to spice up the site. The Roman city of Bath, in England, was badly destroyed by these tourist hunters.
Bosnia desperately needs people to visit. It's in bad shape, after being devastated by deliberate destruction of population centers AND of cultural heritage. A pyramid could bring in the kind of hard currency they need.
This archaeologist also has a major credibility problem, and that's going to affect how he is treated. He would not be the first to invent a major discovery for the sole purpose of trying to restore his image, assuming that it is a fake. He would also not be the first to stretch his work to the absolute limits to find something - anything - that is real, so that history would forgive him the fakes, assuming that the discovery is real.
However, much of this becomes moot when history is wantonly destroyed (as has happened in many countries, Bosnia included, although there the Serbs did most of the destroying). If a site is completely and irretrievably destroyed, then all we have is what is recorded. And usually, that is suspect at best. Had the Pyramids or the Sphinx of Egypt been destroyed, nobody would believe they ever existed. To this day, people are highly skeptical about all of the other Seven Wonders as they seem far too dramatic for the cultures of the time. We have as much evidence of the Colossus of Rhodes as we do of Atlantis. Archaeologists refused to believe ancient navigators were capable of anything much, until the Kon Tiki Expedition, and even then they spent far more time slagging off those involved than they did in reconciling the observed results with the archaeology as it was known.
People need to see things to believe in them. That's not always a bad thing, but it can get awfully complicated when no effort whatsoever is made - even in the slightest - to preserve the necessary evidence.
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"Osmanagich is a construction contractor from Texas who came to the US when the Bosnian war started. He has no education whatsoever in any science. "
s nia/
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NoPyramidsInBo
Now that's almost as silly as voting in an Oil Whore (tm) for president, and then wondering why they want to kick ass in an oil rich country. Yea, that'd never happen.
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As a Bosnian, I gotta tell you that this could easily be a hoax. On the other side his claims could be completely true, stranger things have happened there.
Medjugorje is not too far away. (Where it is claimed that Virgin Mary has appeared.)
On the 29th of April apparently they have uncovered some surface plates on the outside of the "Pyramid."Link.
From the article, and from the mouth of the Osmanagic himself:
"The very surface of these monoliths lost the shine it had thousands of years ago. However, the shape is phenomenal, and the surface is completely flat. Places where the plates connect are symmetric and as can easily be seen, are hand-made."
He expects that within the next 200 days, as he will be doing more digging, he will have certain proof.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
Osmanagic said Wednesday's discovery significantly bolsters his theory that the 2,120-foot hill rising above the small town of Visoko is actually a step pyramid -- the first found in Europe.
No they mean the thetans, you know the ones that Xenu brought to earth to murder and brainwash into thinking that they are mole people.
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Let's not forget that most of the really great discoveries are found by amateurs and nutjobs. The experts cannot be everywhere.
The skepticism in the archaeological community is understandable, but there are being a little overbearing. All their models depend on having civilizations that create monuments, not monuments being evidence for civilizations. One need only examine the work of Shockley in regard to the Sphinx to see how aggressive the pros can get when their models are challenged.
Now, the really great discoveries do come from amateurs and wackos. But only a few. Most of them are just plain wrong. So the experts are kinda right to express heavy skepticism. But I agree, let the man finance his dig. If he uncovers more and more cut stone blocks, the archaeologists will be eating humble pie, especially that Zawari guy who has consistently chewed Shockley's ass off and has to be "THE GUY" who discovers everything in Egypt now.
The evidence for a lost "pre-civilization" keeps growing. We have found tobacco in ancient Egyptian tombs and a curious correlation of various mega-lith complexes around the world built in the image of the various signs of the Zodiac. If this is indeed a pyramid, it could be yet another in this pattern (along with the Pyramids in China). I don't think this the work of Aliens. It's just the work of an ancient civilization that rose, kept it's secrets too close to the vest then died off. And perhaps it WAS the Atlantians and Plato just did not have his details straight. The odds of various pre-cultures spontaneously deciding to build their mega-liths using a unique Zodiac sign over thousands of years is pretty low.
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And just like ANY insurance plan, the benefits are paid with a combination of current contributors who are not collecting and the securities purchased with the contributions of beneficiaries. In this case, the Social Security Trust Fund loans money to the general government fund. It sounds like one hand borrowing from the other, but you have to consider it a bargain when you look at what it would cost to borrow that money elsewhere.
The only real threat to Social Security is the rampant irresponsible spending occuring for the last 6 years that is adding Federal debt outside of the trust fund. When the baby boomers retire in mass, the Federal Government will no longer be able to borrow from the fund, they have to get over that hump. The debt service incurred from the Bush administration is not helping this.
Not to worry, elect some Democrats and they'll save the Republican bacon (yet again). This is the way things go. Democrats stabilize the nations finances, than Republicans come in to cut taxes on wealthy people and create more work for Democrats.
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It's not quite the same thing as slavery. It is 100% evident that Egyptians were certainly involved in laboring. At the same time, that would not prevent the Egyptians from being a little more demanding of "ethnic minorities" including religious dissidents and conquered peoples.
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What is amazing to me is that a people who are recognized to have chariots are not credited with the ability to lash some oxes together to harness some REALLY effective pulling power. What is more amazing is that archaeologists who talk about Egypt as an "advanced" society with Chariots somehow could not apply the principle of the wheel to freight transportation.
I daresay they got the idea of light built chariot and wagon wheels from carved solid rollers. Why would the Egyptians suddenly become so mind numbingly ignorant where it concerned carrying heavy things.
Yes Imhotep
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Lets face it, if it doesn't spring from Zawari's brain
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Obviously not, seeing as the pyramids at Giza were built 4,500 years ago. Not only that, why the flying fuck would someone just assume that a gigantic pyramid would have to be over 12,000 years old? Did the article say anything claiming that he believed it to be that old? Damn you're dumb.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
The subject is a giant god damn pyramid. What the fuck is so hard to understand about this? He could believe Batman saved him from a fucking rabid Easter Bunny, and it wouldn't make the slightest bloody difference whether or not the pyramid was there.
The only thing that matters is if the structure exists or doesn't exist, period. End of the stupid fucking conversation.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
The existence of a monument is not nullified by the lack of a civilization to build it.
That having been said, this guy has yet to prove it's a monument. But if he finds a stone facade buried under dirt in the shape of a step pyramid, you can rest assured the rest of the archaeologists will INVENT a civilization in the most convenient time period to account for it.
Let the guy dig with his volunteers. If he comes up empty handed, than that says something. If he find a pyramid, than you can try to identify the civilization that built it.
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so it will have to be debunked, right along with the submerged cities of the coast of Japan and India
or the many archaelogical sites in North America such as the egyptian artefacts said to have been
discovered in the Grand Canyon. They still haven't come up with a good explanation for how they built the
Sphinx or the Great Pyramids so what makes you think they want one in southeastern Europe?
But before you fire away with me and flame me as an esoteric mushroomhead (the irony) just answer this question:
Jesus was "born" on the 25th of December to a virgin, started his ministry at the age of 30, was executed
three years later and came back to life and ascended into heavens.
Horus was "born" on the 25th of December to a virgin, started his ministry at the age of 30, was executed
three years later and came back to life and ascended into heavens.
Krishna was "born" on the 25th of December to a virgin, started his ministry at the age of 30, was executed
three years later and came back to life and ascended into heavens.
Attis was "born" on the 25th of December to a virgin, started his ministry at the age of 30, was executed
three years later and came back to life and ascended into heavens.
Wittoba was "born" on the 25th of December to a virgin, started his ministry at the age of 30, was executed
three years later and came back to life and ascended into heavens.
etc.etc.
Why is it that
Mexican Quetzalquoatl was "born" on the 25th of December to a virgin, started his ministry at the age of 30, was executed
three years later and came back to life and ascended into heavens????
IF you're going to flame me then tell me why the same story is told over and over across the entire globe and you
can flame me to the day I die, I will bask in the jet of your flamethrowers. Looks like History 2006 is missing quiet
a lot, isn't it?
Do you even speak english, or are you just throwing random shit from a translator onto /.? That was the most incoherent horseshit I've ever read.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
They call that the full faith and credit of the United States of America. And god help the world if it ever fails because EVERYTHING is based upon it.
By the way, if you think those treasury bonds are useless, I'll offer you 10 cents on the dollar for any you possess. And if you think paper is useless, I'll take everything in your wallet at 5 cents to the dollar.
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In actuality, the Republicans are the ones enacting this plan by slashing taxes while hiking spending. The "bankrupty" comes when Social Security asks for some of the money back from the Treasury and they cannot oblige because of the massive debt service payments on the GW Bush mega-debt.
At what point will the Laffer Curve drooling syncophants actually LOOK at the data and find out that cutting income/captial gains taxes does NOT increase revenue unless you accompany it with a hike in FICA taxes? If the Bush tax cuts are "stimulate revenues" why does Bush keep pulling off bigger and bigger deficits every year?
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Social Security has a MASSIVE surplus and it needs someplace to invest it's money. Congress has a voracious need to borry money to mean general fund obligations and it's cheaper to borrow money from a trust fund than to incur debt from external entities.
The fraud comes in when you include FICA revenues in for the caluculation of the deficit. The real deficit is quite a bit higher when you consider what the federal government owes to the Social Security Trust fund.
If the Congress and the President can get it's financial house in order and pay down the debt (along with the debt service obligations), than the looming crisis is really a non-issue. But Bush seems really motivated to MAKE the crisis happen and then pretend he wants to stave it off with a plan that would DOUBLE the obligations of Social Security in the short term.
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It's also possible that those ancient people were a little more clever than we believe with their "primitive" tools. It is highly probably that they had better mastery of "primitive" tools than we do and knew a few tricks or two that we are not aware of.
There is an anecdote about the "power" needed to raise the heads on Easter Island. Many people have speculated that some "greater" technology must have been lost or that aliens must have done the job. Than one day some numksull tells this BS to the locals. They take a crew of 3 guys with levers and raise one the fallen heads.
Modern people are way to into their power tools. We don't appreciate the inventiveness of need and the ability to make due with the tools at hands. The fact that some technology is not evidenced may simply mean that it was abandoned for a better one or that needs simply changed. And maybe it's simply that we haven't built enough stone block pyramids to learn the correct skills and lessons that lead to efficieny.
The Egyptians did not START with the great pyramid. They started with smaller structure and doubtless they learned a few things along the way. If Archaeologists want to learn how to repeat the feat, they should consider building more pyramids instead of writing more books.
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It just doesnt smack of a pyramid. They probably just tiled a hill or built many cobbled streets all over a hill. The Egypt pyramids sharply break the horizon, testament to the enormous amount of work required to move so much material there. If I were to build a pyramid in ancient Bosnia, I'd just tile a hill and present a huge bill to the king.
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Looks like an ancient plume of magma much like 'Enchanted Rock' in Texas.
Just my two cents worth.
This pyramid thingie would then probably be the tower of Babel.
Osmanagic has found the secret Alien Base of The Greys at the same time.
E.T.'s and Pyramids, together at last!
Right. You also "contributed" this to the discussion before turning around to attack me:
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=184542&cid=15
Idiot.
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Obviously not, seeing as the pyramids at Giza were built 4,500 years ago. Not only that, why the flying fuck would someone just assume that a gigantic pyramid would have to be over 12,000 years old? Did the article say anything claiming that he believed it to be that old? Damn you're dumb.
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Ex nihilo nihil fit
By Salinas ... that was fun: http://www.troya.com.mx/
o m_content&task=view&id=48337&Itemid=46 says that having another tourist attraction beside Medjugorje wouldn't hurt, so ... :)
This seems to be more of the same. Otoh, Oslobodjenje's ironic commentary http://www.oslobodjenje.com.ba/index.php?option=c
cheers,
dalibor topic
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...
Under the Christmas' day sun.....
Caetano Veloso is my personal savior
Guess what, anybody who even remotely has heard anything of astrotheology knows that the Christmas day sun
is the sun on the 25th of December, exactly the day after the winter solstice. After "resting" for
three days during the solstice the sun is considered "dead" and then reborn on the 25th when it exits the
solstice. This is why astrotheologically the saviors (Jesus, Mithra, Krishna, Horus etc.etc.etc.) are (re)born
on Dec 25th.
"Oh they can't catch me"
You're joking right?
Personally I think it'll turn out to be part of a stage set for the KLF
So the interesting question is has it been discarded ? or is it under construction ?
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
I blogged about this nut job: http://catholicgauze.blogspot.com/2006/04/pyramids -of-eastern-europe-update.html
Research, slashdot, research!
It is really simple, to take a small tax spread out over a whole employment life-time of an individual and pay it back out at the last 10 or so years of his life. What is so complicated?
Being forced to do so by your government, rather than through an IRA or 401(k) or other personal retirement plan.
The net of your 12%-15% is where the insurance comes in. If you do really well in life, you don't need social security. But if times hit you hard and things fall apart, then it is enough to survive in old age. It's not enough to thrive
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To those of you who refuse to keep an open mind to the unproven: Be a true open minded skeptic, and wait for real evidence!
Try looking at this from GoogleEarth if you would. The longitude and latitude given are pretty good. (+43 58' 40.80", +18 10' 40.80") But the easier way to look at this is to just ask GoogleEarth to go to "Sarajevo", then zoom out until the dark rectangle around Sarajevo is about 1/3 the width of the screen. At this point, NorthWest of Sarajevo, in the top left corner of your screen, you will find "Visoko". Pan/scroll over to Visoko, and start to zoom in. The "hill" in question is labeled "Grad" in green. Zoom in further, and then "tilt down" button on the right to get a view from the side. Use the "rotate" buttons to look at it from different directions.
What you will find is a hill with one REDICULOUSLY flat and triangular face, and two other nearly flat, triangular faces at 90 degrees to that one. Two of the edges between these faces are exceedingly straight and sharp: It is very hard to assume that this is a natural formation just because the publicist is a known charlatan!
So, are there any more people who would like to hold out hope that this really is a man-made structure after seeing this? I suspect that it may have been cut out of an existing hill as much as built up from the bottom, but who cares?
Did he step out of the shower one day to find the last six months had been a dream?