If a few large corporations can really clean up on this - it wont be a problem. You'd be amazed how fast laws can change when high profits can be tied to even the impression of environmental gain.
PM: Soyuz costs $50 million a mission--the space shuttle costs more than $2.5 billion to get back up, and under the best conditions it costs $500 million... GO: That's tough. Remember, we could not have built the ISS without the shuttle. The shuttle has a huge cargo-carrying capacity. The Soyuz cannot do that, as reliable as it is. The shuttle has had its drawbacks, but it is the workhorse, and it was necessary in order to do the ISS.
They give more about cost - and he gives one view about the shuttle's capacity that adds a different perspective.
This Nasa space shuttle faq lists endeavour's cost at 1.7 billion. Maybe they just rounded off, but a third of a billion seems significant to me.
It also lists the launch costs for a shuttle at about $450 million. I don't know if that's just the launch itself or if that includes the turn around costs. Of course - the article doesn't list similar numbers for the Soyuz - but it seems that while reusable - the shuttle still is exponentially more expensive. Although - I don't know of anything else that can get as much weight to orbit as the shuttle.
well you thought too long. they are all on back order already i believe. and that original price of $200 that was rumored has turned out to be $300 or $400 - depending on memory. so i think this is much more competitive with the eee than i would have thought when word of the eee first came out.
If I'm traveling with my laptop - I spend most of my time on the internet. With google's offerings (and others) I can even do 'office' type stuff with nothing more. My email is on the web, my social communities are on the web, many of my favorite apps are on the web, my entertainment is on the web. For a lot of people - that's all they need. They don't need any fat client, desktop software - just a decent sized screen to view online content.
I've been watching the Asus eee closely and you are right - but unfortunately the gap in price isn't nearly as large as I'd hoped. I'd lug around the larger eee pc to save a few hundred dollars - but to save $100? I'm not sure. Maybe if demand slows down on the eee - the price will come down too.
I'd have to go home to get the specifics - but this was a usb wi-fi adapter that I bought at Best Buy and it's a major name - I just don't want to guess and be wrong. I'm not exaggerating when I say it took me about 3 days to fix it. I finally found some messages on a forum I'd never heard of and discovered that I needed to download a driver from a completely different company to get some files that IIRC I had to cut from so that I could paste them into other driver files to get the device working with XP. This was in June of 2006.
I'll never forget when I bought a usb wireless thing and then spent three days searching forums before I found the right text files to alter so that the driver would work in XP.
And then there are the commercial offerings. You've just pointed out stuff that is free as in beer. I would think that someone who just saved the cost of purchasing windows who writes code for a living, would have more cash available for a good ide if they found the free options to be wanting.
You should try out netbeans with the c++ add on. Eclipse is great, but I've been really impressed with the progress that's been made with netbeans. I think 6.0 is going to be phenomenal (it is in beta now).
In my high school - I hung out at the computer lab a lot. There was one major rule - no games except for rare times when they were o.k. If you were caught playing a game - the head of the math dept. who ran the lab (Mr. Cornell I think) would pull the floppy out of the drive and staple it to the wall. By the end of the year there were always a ton of floppies stapled up all over that room.
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oh - i wouldn't argue that - and we were freshman in high school at that point. 2 of my friends had c64s - and gave me grief about my vic-20. we all teased our friend with a timex sinclair.
i was part of a geek crowd at school that spent a lot of time hanging out in the math departments computer room. I remember a bunch of us huddled around the schools very first mac - just in awe of the thing. those were really good times.
kids today have some great opportunities to learn and an amazing array of tools available for free. that is what first attracted me to linux. i could play around with so many great tools and not have to cough up big money to do so.
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I had a Vic-20 and bought a special graphics cartridge for it so that I could draw stuff. I was extremely jealous of my friend's C64 and the ability to make graphics with sprites. That peeking and poking was some pretty cool stuff.
I guess I'm too old to have seen it then. It says 40 years, but it couldn't have been too common in classrooms that long. Those computers I used in jr. high were the first I had seen in a public school. We never had them in grade school.
What's interesting to me is that I never ran across Logo in school. My first exposure to a computer was in junior highschool. We had a lab filled with TRS-80 machines and we wrote stuff in basic. (This would have been 1982) Later, in highschool we did everything on Apple IIe's. Again, we started with basic and then moved on to Pascal.
I don't know if it was just that the school district never got on board, or if logo's popularity was regional but I never heard of it until a couple years ago when I was looking for software to teach programming to a nephew.
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If a few large corporations can really clean up on this - it wont be a problem. You'd be amazed how fast laws can change when high profits can be tied to even the impression of environmental gain.
as long as they keep creating all those contrails that help keep the temperature down. we don't want to get rid of that.
I mentioned the same above and have been doing some more digging. This popular mechanics interview with Greg Olsen was interesting. Here is the part that got it to pop up in my search:
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PM: Soyuz costs $50 million a mission--the space shuttle costs more than $2.5 billion to get back up, and under the best conditions it costs $500 million
GO: That's tough. Remember, we could not have built the ISS without the shuttle. The shuttle has a huge cargo-carrying capacity. The Soyuz cannot do that, as reliable as it is. The shuttle has had its drawbacks, but it is the workhorse, and it was necessary in order to do the ISS.
They give more about cost - and he gives one view about the shuttle's capacity that adds a different perspective.
This Nasa space shuttle faq lists endeavour's cost at 1.7 billion. Maybe they just rounded off, but a third of a billion seems significant to me.
It also lists the launch costs for a shuttle at about $450 million. I don't know if that's just the launch itself or if that includes the turn around costs. Of course - the article doesn't list similar numbers for the Soyuz - but it seems that while reusable - the shuttle still is exponentially more expensive. Although - I don't know of anything else that can get as much weight to orbit as the shuttle.
when has 'the point' ever had any impact on what they do on that show?
I think it is safe to say that you are in good company when it comes to appreciating steam. Tycho recently said After years of fairly positive digital delivery experiences through Steam, I have to say that I found purchasing a Valve product in a retail context almost unpleasant...
If you missed it when it came around, you can still get it for less than $8. Follow it up with Dreamfall and you are all set. For the rest you'll have to wait on Dreamfall Chapters
well you thought too long. they are all on back order already i believe. and that original price of $200 that was rumored has turned out to be $300 or $400 - depending on memory. so i think this is much more competitive with the eee than i would have thought when word of the eee first came out.
If I'm traveling with my laptop - I spend most of my time on the internet. With google's offerings (and others) I can even do 'office' type stuff with nothing more. My email is on the web, my social communities are on the web, many of my favorite apps are on the web, my entertainment is on the web. For a lot of people - that's all they need. They don't need any fat client, desktop software - just a decent sized screen to view online content.
I've been watching the Asus eee closely and you are right - but unfortunately the gap in price isn't nearly as large as I'd hoped. I'd lug around the larger eee pc to save a few hundred dollars - but to save $100? I'm not sure. Maybe if demand slows down on the eee - the price will come down too.
Right - but my point is that it doesn't make sense for that same person to complain about a lack of free IDE's.
I'd have to go home to get the specifics - but this was a usb wi-fi adapter that I bought at Best Buy and it's a major name - I just don't want to guess and be wrong. I'm not exaggerating when I say it took me about 3 days to fix it. I finally found some messages on a forum I'd never heard of and discovered that I needed to download a driver from a completely different company to get some files that IIRC I had to cut from so that I could paste them into other driver files to get the device working with XP. This was in June of 2006.
I'll never forget when I bought a usb wireless thing and then spent three days searching forums before I found the right text files to alter so that the driver would work in XP.
And then there are the commercial offerings. You've just pointed out stuff that is free as in beer. I would think that someone who just saved the cost of purchasing windows who writes code for a living, would have more cash available for a good ide if they found the free options to be wanting.
You should try out netbeans with the c++ add on. Eclipse is great, but I've been really impressed with the progress that's been made with netbeans. I think 6.0 is going to be phenomenal (it is in beta now).
best comment of the day - hands down.
well played iminplaya
here is the printer friendly version of an article with some good info. about this over at the Register.
nope - he just referenced a 2 month old movie.
so turtles all the way down?
In my high school - I hung out at the computer lab a lot. There was one major rule - no games except for rare times when they were o.k. If you were caught playing a game - the head of the math dept. who ran the lab (Mr. Cornell I think) would pull the floppy out of the drive and staple it to the wall. By the end of the year there were always a ton of floppies stapled up all over that room.
oh - i wouldn't argue that - and we were freshman in high school at that point. 2 of my friends had c64s - and gave me grief about my vic-20. we all teased our friend with a timex sinclair.
i was part of a geek crowd at school that spent a lot of time hanging out in the math departments computer room. I remember a bunch of us huddled around the schools very first mac - just in awe of the thing. those were really good times.
kids today have some great opportunities to learn and an amazing array of tools available for free. that is what first attracted me to linux. i could play around with so many great tools and not have to cough up big money to do so.
I had a Vic-20 and bought a special graphics cartridge for it so that I could draw stuff. I was extremely jealous of my friend's C64 and the ability to make graphics with sprites. That peeking and poking was some pretty cool stuff.
I guess I'm too old to have seen it then. It says 40 years, but it couldn't have been too common in classrooms that long. Those computers I used in jr. high were the first I had seen in a public school. We never had them in grade school.
What's interesting to me is that I never ran across Logo in school. My first exposure to a computer was in junior highschool. We had a lab filled with TRS-80 machines and we wrote stuff in basic. (This would have been 1982) Later, in highschool we did everything on Apple IIe's. Again, we started with basic and then moved on to Pascal.
I don't know if it was just that the school district never got on board, or if logo's popularity was regional but I never heard of it until a couple years ago when I was looking for software to teach programming to a nephew.
By the way, anybody else read that as lego?
Competition is good.