would make or break their timing w/the baloon thing. It is 1000 feet- baloon top to rocket at bottom. I've got to think you need a calm day to get it going. No?
I know I would be happy to drop Exchange and Outlook if I can find suitable replacements for both. Recently I tried Aethera and Kolab. Never could get it to work right. Now I'm going to see how it does with some of these other options.
I can't be the only one who snickers every time I see a commercial for this film. Think Geek used to have a "Bourne Again Believer" t-shirt but I think they dropped it. Maybe I am the only one.
This is a direct copy/paste from their last email to me: I understand that you are unable to access your E-mail through POP3 as well as http in Outlook 2000.
Ron, I would like to inform you that you cannot configure your MSN Account in Outlook 2000 Software. You can configure your account in Outlook 2002 and above versions.
Ron, to resolve you issue I request you to access your e-mail through www.hotmail.com I am providing you the steps for the same.
Please follow the steps below to access your e-mail through www.hotmail.com
The person who sent it is identified as an MSN Technical Support Engineer. I am assuming this means that this is something that is final and not an issue with the server. If I am wrong I would be happy.
I got an invite from someone here at/. - After I got the account set up, a few weeks later I got one invite. I sent it to a co-worker. That was something like a month ago, or so and I've never had another invite to send. I don't know why. Just that one and that was it. Maybe I got in too late because I know people who got accounts earlier and they still get lots of invites to give away.
I am complaining but I am also sharing information on a service to a community that may be interested. There might be other MSN users here who do not even know yet that this has happened - because there was no announcement and I had to practically drag the truth out of them.
You're right. I got pretty fired up- and didn't think it all the way through, but I will probably switch because I really do believe in 'voting' with my dollars.
I am not crazy about the change they made-- but what really torques me is the way they went about it. I'm not a rabid anti-MS person, though they seem to act like they want me to be sometimes. You are right I could keep them for access and shift email somewhere else. I do have a spymac account already as well as gmail. And I have email through my web hosting company.
So you're right I could just shift over but keep msn to connect. If I do drop msn it will be for principle. The last email- the one telling me I couldn't use Outlook 2000 came last night-- then this morning I saw this thread and thought I'd share. So I'm still a bit hot under the collar.
I can't imagine it would be worth that. I certainly wouldn't participate in it. (I think American society is already too litigious.) I will just do what makes more sense to me and take my business elsewhere. Maybe they don't care and making it work for me would cost more than they lose-- those are the breaks I guess, but they could have at least been open about what they were doing. That bugs me more than anything.
Customer - I'm talking about MSN not hotmail. (in other words the account address I'm talking about is 'foo@msn.com' not 'foo@hotmail.com') But they are now telling me that if I don't upgrade (buy) a newer version of Outlook, I can only get to my mail through the hotmail interface.
I have been a paying customer of the MSN dial-up service for quite a few years- long before hotmail existed.
They are making all kinds of changes lately-- and they are not bothering to send anything to their users. I've been an MSN customer since just after they started up the service. Last week Outlook couldn't pull my email from their pop3 server any more. I sent in a help ticket. The reply I got said it was a problem they were fixing- and gave me instructions to set up Outlook Express to pull web mail from an http server.
I responded that I don't use Outlook Express, I use Outlook 2000 and it will only pull Email from pop or imap servers. Their response, upgrade to Outlook 2002 (or above) or just use the hotmail interface. Of course using hotmail means no more hot syncing to my palm and I have to start manually sifting through spam again (my filter I use is an Outlook plug in)
I had been thinking about changing my ISP but now I don't even have a choice.
What ticks me off most is there was no advance notice of these changes- and it took multiple emails to MSN support to find out what was really going on.
You bring up a good point. When I was in highschool every computer on campus was an apple. (IIe machines for students, macs in the faculty offices.) They are still the dominant platform in the district where my mom teaches.
What it has achieved to this point is a huge, unmodded list of posts that you can scroll, and scroll, and scroll through- clicking on some here and there.
That's just looking at the situation from one perspective and forgetting the original options.
Yes easier said than done- but easier than finding a whole new career? I think so. Especially if one accepts that this career must provide for a family and allow for a decent amount of time with the family. Switching careers and becoming entry level in almost any field tends to carry with it a drop in pay and less desirable hours.
Is switching employers 'simple' and gauranteed? No- but compared to dropping 5 years of experience and starting over- it just might be.
Finally- I don't work for a big company. I work for a small company. There are 2 developers- we are a financial business and I do internal stuff. Mission critical: yes. Crazy hours: rarely. I have 3 kids ages 4, 3, and 1. I spend a lot of time with them and my wife. It is more than doable. I do make a little less than those working for a large company. But enough for a house, food on the table and a car. (Not a big fancy SUV - but we get where we need to go).
This is 100% dead on and the thread can be closed now. My wife worked for Boeing and Lockheed Martin- and this was never a problem. I've been programming for about 3 years now, and the times I've been forced to put in a lot of hours have been few and far between.
I would think that changing employers would be easier than moving to a new profession.
This is one of the great things about digging through old stacks of National Geo. Especially issues from the '50s and earlier. My Grandmother had tons of them and I would sit for hours looking at the diagrams of the moon base that was going to have been built by the '80s.
When I was a kid we would visit my Uncle's dairy farm. Even with him using a lot of manure to fertilize his fields - getting rid of it all was still an issue. They went to a system where they processed it to liquid and it went into a big liquid manure pond. I can remember watching their dog- walking around on the 'crust' that formed on the top of it. Every so often his legs would slip through. That was a nasty dog.
Eventually my Uncle's family farm went under and was auctioned off. I wonder if this kind of thing would have been enough to keep him in business? He now works for a big giant 'corporate' farm. Truth be told- from a purely economic perspective he is better off. He gets regular vacation (never had that with his own farm) and makes o.k. money.
If all you get is a gnaa troll be glad- when I went the front page was o.k. but I made the mistake of clicking on the link for the logo contest. Goatse guy and some other sick pic were waiting for me. It was full screen and took me a few seconds to close. Sick.
I can't click on any Wiki links from/. any more - at least at work- not that I would want to see crap like that at home either.
Nothing like getting a full screen shot of the goatse guy and something else just as disgusting.
I'm off topic since I'm talking about the links and not Geronimo- and I wont complain about being modded as such - but this is just not acceptable. Usually I let stuff like this go- what ya gonna do? But that was beyond unpleasant.
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would make or break their timing w/the baloon thing. It is 1000 feet- baloon top to rocket at bottom. I've got to think you need a calm day to get it going. No?
I know I would be happy to drop Exchange and Outlook if I can find suitable replacements for both. Recently I tried Aethera and Kolab. Never could get it to work right. Now I'm going to see how it does with some of these other options.
I can't be the only one who snickers every time I see a commercial for this film. Think Geek used to have a "Bourne Again Believer" t-shirt but I think they dropped it. Maybe I am the only one.
No.... What I can't afford is plane tickets to Germany and the time off work, you insensitive clod!
(Yes I am just jealous-- I would love to go if I could)
This is a direct copy/paste from their last email to me:
I understand that you are unable to access your E-mail through POP3 as well as http in Outlook 2000.
Ron, I would like to inform you that you cannot configure your MSN Account in Outlook 2000 Software. You can configure your account in Outlook 2002 and above versions.
Ron, to resolve you issue I request you to access your e-mail through www.hotmail.com I am providing you the steps for the same.
Please follow the steps below to access your e-mail through www.hotmail.com
The person who sent it is identified as an MSN Technical Support Engineer. I am assuming this means that this is something that is final and not an issue with the server. If I am wrong I would be happy.
I got an invite from someone here at /. - After I got the account set up, a few weeks later I got one invite. I sent it to a co-worker. That was something like a month ago, or so and I've never had another invite to send. I don't know why. Just that one and that was it. Maybe I got in too late because I know people who got accounts earlier and they still get lots of invites to give away.
I am complaining but I am also sharing information on a service to a community that may be interested. There might be other MSN users here who do not even know yet that this has happened - because there was no announcement and I had to practically drag the truth out of them.
You're right. I got pretty fired up- and didn't think it all the way through, but I will probably switch because I really do believe in 'voting' with my dollars.
I am not crazy about the change they made-- but what really torques me is the way they went about it. I'm not a rabid anti-MS person, though they seem to act like they want me to be sometimes. You are right I could keep them for access and shift email somewhere else. I do have a spymac account already as well as gmail. And I have email through my web hosting company.
So you're right I could just shift over but keep msn to connect. If I do drop msn it will be for principle. The last email- the one telling me I couldn't use Outlook 2000 came last night-- then this morning I saw this thread and thought I'd share. So I'm still a bit hot under the collar.
I can't imagine it would be worth that. I certainly wouldn't participate in it. (I think American society is already too litigious.) I will just do what makes more sense to me and take my business elsewhere. Maybe they don't care and making it work for me would cost more than they lose-- those are the breaks I guess, but they could have at least been open about what they were doing. That bugs me more than anything.
Customer - I'm talking about MSN not hotmail. (in other words the account address I'm talking about is 'foo@msn.com' not 'foo@hotmail.com') But they are now telling me that if I don't upgrade (buy) a newer version of Outlook, I can only get to my mail through the hotmail interface.
I have been a paying customer of the MSN dial-up service for quite a few years- long before hotmail existed.
They are making all kinds of changes lately-- and they are not bothering to send anything to their users. I've been an MSN customer since just after they started up the service. Last week Outlook couldn't pull my email from their pop3 server any more. I sent in a help ticket. The reply I got said it was a problem they were fixing- and gave me instructions to set up Outlook Express to pull web mail from an http server.
I responded that I don't use Outlook Express, I use Outlook 2000 and it will only pull Email from pop or imap servers. Their response, upgrade to Outlook 2002 (or above) or just use the hotmail interface. Of course using hotmail means no more hot syncing to my palm and I have to start manually sifting through spam again (my filter I use is an Outlook plug in)
I had been thinking about changing my ISP but now I don't even have a choice.
What ticks me off most is there was no advance notice of these changes- and it took multiple emails to MSN support to find out what was really going on.
You bring up a good point. When I was in highschool every computer on campus was an apple. (IIe machines for students, macs in the faculty offices.) They are still the dominant platform in the district where my mom teaches.
Best Use Of A Better Off Dead Quote Ever.
What it has achieved to this point is a huge, unmodded list of posts that you can scroll, and scroll, and scroll through- clicking on some here and there.
I read regularly:
National Geographic
World Wide Challenge
Hey, you asked me.
That's just looking at the situation from one perspective and forgetting the original options.
Yes easier said than done- but easier than finding a whole new career? I think so. Especially if one accepts that this career must provide for a family and allow for a decent amount of time with the family. Switching careers and becoming entry level in almost any field tends to carry with it a drop in pay and less desirable hours.
Is switching employers 'simple' and gauranteed? No- but compared to dropping 5 years of experience and starting over- it just might be.
Finally- I don't work for a big company. I work for a small company. There are 2 developers- we are a financial business and I do internal stuff. Mission critical: yes. Crazy hours: rarely. I have 3 kids ages 4, 3, and 1. I spend a lot of time with them and my wife. It is more than doable. I do make a little less than those working for a large company. But enough for a house, food on the table and a car. (Not a big fancy SUV - but we get where we need to go).
This is 100% dead on and the thread can be closed now. My wife worked for Boeing and Lockheed Martin- and this was never a problem. I've been programming for about 3 years now, and the times I've been forced to put in a lot of hours have been few and far between.
I would think that changing employers would be easier than moving to a new profession.
Kind of like Hokey Spokes but not as big or cool really. But it will sell with the junior high crowd I predict.
The fact that I was most interested in the moon base and not so much the naked natives probably explains a lot now that I think about it.
This is one of the great things about digging through old stacks of National Geo. Especially issues from the '50s and earlier. My Grandmother had tons of them and I would sit for hours looking at the diagrams of the moon base that was going to have been built by the '80s.
It has.
It wasn't an honest and sad story but just a sad story.
When I was a kid we would visit my Uncle's dairy farm. Even with him using a lot of manure to fertilize his fields - getting rid of it all was still an issue. They went to a system where they processed it to liquid and it went into a big liquid manure pond. I can remember watching their dog- walking around on the 'crust' that formed on the top of it. Every so often his legs would slip through. That was a nasty dog.
Eventually my Uncle's family farm went under and was auctioned off. I wonder if this kind of thing would have been enough to keep him in business? He now works for a big giant 'corporate' farm. Truth be told- from a purely economic perspective he is better off. He gets regular vacation (never had that with his own farm) and makes o.k. money.
If all you get is a gnaa troll be glad- when I went the front page was o.k. but I made the mistake of clicking on the link for the logo contest. Goatse guy and some other sick pic were waiting for me. It was full screen and took me a few seconds to close. Sick.
I can't click on any Wiki links from /. any more - at least at work- not that I would want to see crap like that at home either.
Nothing like getting a full screen shot of the goatse guy and something else just as disgusting.
I'm off topic since I'm talking about the links and not Geronimo- and I wont complain about being modded as such - but this is just not acceptable. Usually I let stuff like this go- what ya gonna do? But that was beyond unpleasant.