That's 'cause even with the card you are paying more there. Did you see their ad for Phoenix this week? Milk 2.99 on sale. That is insane. That's regular price at safeway or frys.
They just opened a new store a mile from my house- and it is really nice inside but shopping there is liking shopping at ABCO- nobody inside. I drive the extra mile to Safeway or Frys because they crush Albertsons on prices.
I worked for Safeway for years in AZ before I went into I.T. and really there are only 2 chains in this state that are worth your time. Then again, there is walmart now - with retails on stuff that is below the cost for their competitors.
Right- the data is where the value is- not in the physical card. Anything you do to compromise the data- whether it is making it useless or just not providing info. will undermine the system.
I think that is why they tie a lot of contests in to the cards now- it is easier to administer and motivates users to give correct contact information.
I worked in the grocery business for quite a few years- at the stores and later in pricing- and the thing is- a lot of these chains are doing anything they can to stay viable. They will be all over anything that can cut labor costs or generate revenue.
Coupons sucked. They take forever to scan- which means if you don't want customers to wait- you need to hire more cashiers- and in the grocery business labor is your biggest cost. Not to mention the idiots that don't read coupons correctly and then they hold up the freaking line trying to figure it out.
Just fill out fake info- or any of the other remedies mentioned above. Shoot- Albertsons has a box on their card form that you check- it says "I don't want to give any information." and then they give you a card.
And don't get me started about the 'slip and fall' law suits. 80% of them are out right fraud. 99% of them are ridiculous. If some store left spills and such laying for hours and hours that's a problem but most don't. So something just spilled and you were to stupid to watch your step? They should pay for that?
All this to say- you can have your discount without them knowing who you are.
the cards don't cost jack compared to the revenue generated by the information.
If the vast majority of consumers stopped using them- the loss in revenue might kill the program but not the cost of the cards. That's like thinking you can drive them out of business by grabbing and extra plastic bag with each visist.
That's so easy to say. Do you realize that you are saying- if you have children don't have the t.v. set on while they are awake? Like professional sports but don't want your kids hearing profanity? Sorry- you can start watching again when they are older.
Personally I do what you say- I tape the show or 2 I like to watch and I just don't have the t.v. on around the kids- it's better for both of us. But some people are not so willing to just check out of mass media.
don't feel bad- when I first heard about this a while back I didn't really understand it either. The only reason I did hear about it at all is because I live in Arizona. We have the largest Indian Reservations in the U.S. Plus one of the people who has been involved in the whole thing is Bruce Babbitt. He was governor of AZ before he was secretary of the interior. So this stuff made the local news here.
And you just have to remember that when ever you are talking about government and native americans that things are going to be wierd. It will be a while before things get straightened out- due to the things you mentioned in your original post. How do you make up for treachery and lies? How do you keep agreements that were made when killing failed- but don't make a lot of sense now? It is all very complicated.
Much of the money that is handled 'for' the native americans is not federal money from taxes. It is money that is due native americans through things like mineral rights. Security should not even be at the top of the list though- plain mismanagement and incompentence that is criminal. But as is often the case- none of the big players are being held responsible to the extent they should. You can read about it all over the place - like this article
That is totally cool. I bumped into the global flyer checking up on the space ship progress last week. I didn't even know about Voyager. Kind of takes a little of the wow factor out of Global Flyer for me, seeing as they did it 18 years ago. Thanks for pointing that out.
You know more about physics than I do probably so I'll leave that- but I'm sure the appearance in the photo is not what the finished product will look like. I would guess that all the tape over things like the windows is there for protection during installation and probably painting.
What was more funny to me is that the nose piece looks like a giant shuttlecock.
While you are there check out the Global Flyer It is just as cool in my book. The similarity in the designs of the craft are interesting. The idea of flying around the world on one tank of gas is pretty wild.
I just don't even know where to start. I'll just try and do a list. If I understand your primary argument is that Apple hasn't done it yet so they wont. Your faith is misplaced. Apple is not a large commercial hope. You cannot talk about both entities in this monolithic fashion. You can talk about apple as a single vendor- they have full control over what hardware is available to you. The PC world is exactly the opposite. And this is the key to my objection to this whole line of thinking. Every PC maker has not gone this route yet. There are still tons of choices within the PC world - from companies much larger than apple. I don't have to buy an overpriced apple machine to show that I wont buy this kind of crippled hardware. I can just buy a PC from another manufacturer. There is no logical reason for Apple to be the only alternative.
And don't say - "Well this is just the first. All PC hardware will be this way- but Apple never will" That is just fuzzy thinking at best.
That's not FUD. You tell me what the apple users options are when apple decides to make a change. They can accept it or leave apple.
When a manufacturer does something I don't like- I just go to another manufacturer. You can talk about open firmware all you want- that doesn't change the reality of the situation. And furthermore- I didn't initiate this conversation. To say that a single PC manufacturer is going to be incorporating DRM into their hardware makes Apple the logical choice is the real fud.
But that has nothing to do with explaining why Apple is a solution. Because apple doesn't have DRM built into the hardware right now? Neither does my PC. In fact most PCs don't. What will you do when Apple does put it in their hardware? What makes you think they wont? They already know their customers will buy more expensive hardware that they can only get from one place. This whole idea that one PC manufacturer has moved this way means that one should abandon the whole platform (which is much, much more open than apple) for some proprietary hardware that doesn't have DRM yet is ludicrous.
Go with apple and full vendor lock in. I'm replying here since this is the top comment I could find saying this. How is apple the solution?
The penchant around here for apple is proof to me that more linux geeks are interested in being a part of an 'exclusive' minority than in being involved in things that are open and free (as in speach).
i'll give you the ssh - but the second part is incorrect. How many mom and pop windows users do you think have installed flash for ie on there windows machine? They just have to say yes when the dialogue to download and install it pops up- and then they are up and running.
Like many others here- I love linux but a lot of things do not work well enough yet for me to recommend it to my friends and family.
I am now running Fedora core 1 on my laptop. I use mozilla as my browser. I went to the mozilla plugin site and followed the directions to install the Flash plugin. I did exactly what it said, but it would not work. I was completely stumped. Finally after about 15 minutes of googling I found out that I needed to go to the shell and execute a command:
Wow- I can imagine trying to help someone like my mom over the phone and talking them through that. Not in this lifetime. There was a patch on the web too- apparently to fix this problem but it didn't do it for me. But maybe that works for another distro. I don't think I need to go on about the problems presented by this kind of situation.
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gotta push that x-34 dupe down off the front page- no matter what it takes
what's worse is michael posted both
Have you ever had jury duty? You can spend all day in the 'pool' and never even be considered to be on a jury.
here in my Phoenix, Arizona lab for quite some time but I've been rather disapointed with the results.
That's 'cause even with the card you are paying more there. Did you see their ad for Phoenix this week? Milk 2.99 on sale. That is insane. That's regular price at safeway or frys.
They just opened a new store a mile from my house- and it is really nice inside but shopping there is liking shopping at ABCO- nobody inside. I drive the extra mile to Safeway or Frys because they crush Albertsons on prices.
I worked for Safeway for years in AZ before I went into I.T. and really there are only 2 chains in this state that are worth your time. Then again, there is walmart now - with retails on stuff that is below the cost for their competitors.
Right- the data is where the value is- not in the physical card. Anything you do to compromise the data- whether it is making it useless or just not providing info. will undermine the system.
I think that is why they tie a lot of contests in to the cards now- it is easier to administer and motivates users to give correct contact information.
I worked in the grocery business for quite a few years- at the stores and later in pricing- and the thing is- a lot of these chains are doing anything they can to stay viable. They will be all over anything that can cut labor costs or generate revenue.
Coupons sucked. They take forever to scan- which means if you don't want customers to wait- you need to hire more cashiers- and in the grocery business labor is your biggest cost. Not to mention the idiots that don't read coupons correctly and then they hold up the freaking line trying to figure it out.
Just fill out fake info- or any of the other remedies mentioned above. Shoot- Albertsons has a box on their card form that you check- it says "I don't want to give any information." and then they give you a card.
And don't get me started about the 'slip and fall' law suits. 80% of them are out right fraud. 99% of them are ridiculous. If some store left spills and such laying for hours and hours that's a problem but most don't. So something just spilled and you were to stupid to watch your step? They should pay for that?
All this to say- you can have your discount without them knowing who you are.
the cards don't cost jack compared to the revenue generated by the information.
If the vast majority of consumers stopped using them- the loss in revenue might kill the program but not the cost of the cards. That's like thinking you can drive them out of business by grabbing and extra plastic bag with each visist.
getting heard in all the noise in this thread.
That's so easy to say. Do you realize that you are saying- if you have children don't have the t.v. set on while they are awake? Like professional sports but don't want your kids hearing profanity? Sorry- you can start watching again when they are older.
Personally I do what you say- I tape the show or 2 I like to watch and I just don't have the t.v. on around the kids- it's better for both of us. But some people are not so willing to just check out of mass media.
but the Navy space station is even nicer. Oh, did I type that out loud?
That's too bad- if you had quoted an answer to the question from a movie or t.v. show like Futurama you would have been modded to +5 Funny by now.
This was pretty clever.
don't feel bad- when I first heard about this a while back I didn't really understand it either. The only reason I did hear about it at all is because I live in Arizona. We have the largest Indian Reservations in the U.S. Plus one of the people who has been involved in the whole thing is Bruce Babbitt. He was governor of AZ before he was secretary of the interior. So this stuff made the local news here.
And you just have to remember that when ever you are talking about government and native americans that things are going to be wierd. It will be a while before things get straightened out- due to the things you mentioned in your original post. How do you make up for treachery and lies? How do you keep agreements that were made when killing failed- but don't make a lot of sense now? It is all very complicated.
Much of the money that is handled 'for' the native americans is not federal money from taxes. It is money that is due native americans through things like mineral rights. Security should not even be at the top of the list though- plain mismanagement and incompentence that is criminal. But as is often the case- none of the big players are being held responsible to the extent they should. You can read about it all over the place - like this article
That is totally cool. I bumped into the global flyer checking up on the space ship progress last week. I didn't even know about Voyager. Kind of takes a little of the wow factor out of Global Flyer for me, seeing as they did it 18 years ago. Thanks for pointing that out.
You know more about physics than I do probably so I'll leave that- but I'm sure the appearance in the photo is not what the finished product will look like. I would guess that all the tape over things like the windows is there for protection during installation and probably painting.
What was more funny to me is that the nose piece looks like a giant shuttlecock.
While you are there check out the Global Flyer It is just as cool in my book. The similarity in the designs of the craft are interesting. The idea of flying around the world on one tank of gas is pretty wild.
I just don't even know where to start. I'll just try and do a list.
If I understand your primary argument is that Apple hasn't done it yet so they wont. Your faith is misplaced.
Apple is not a large commercial hope.
You cannot talk about both entities in this monolithic fashion. You can talk about apple as a single vendor- they have full control over what hardware is available to you. The PC world is exactly the opposite. And this is the key to my objection to this whole line of thinking. Every PC maker has not gone this route yet. There are still tons of choices within the PC world - from companies much larger than apple. I don't have to buy an overpriced apple machine to show that I wont buy this kind of crippled hardware. I can just buy a PC from another manufacturer. There is no logical reason for Apple to be the only alternative.
And don't say - "Well this is just the first. All PC hardware will be this way- but Apple never will" That is just fuzzy thinking at best.
That's not FUD. You tell me what the apple users options are when apple decides to make a change. They can accept it or leave apple.
When a manufacturer does something I don't like- I just go to another manufacturer. You can talk about open firmware all you want- that doesn't change the reality of the situation. And furthermore- I didn't initiate this conversation. To say that a single PC manufacturer is going to be incorporating DRM into their hardware makes Apple the logical choice is the real fud.
I understand the issue completely.
But that has nothing to do with explaining why Apple is a solution. Because apple doesn't have DRM built into the hardware right now? Neither does my PC. In fact most PCs don't. What will you do when Apple does put it in their hardware? What makes you think they wont? They already know their customers will buy more expensive hardware that they can only get from one place. This whole idea that one PC manufacturer has moved this way means that one should abandon the whole platform (which is much, much more open than apple) for some proprietary hardware that doesn't have DRM yet is ludicrous.
In other words - Apple doesn't have DRM yet. Neither does my PC.
Go with apple and full vendor lock in. I'm replying here since this is the top comment I could find saying this. How is apple the solution?
The penchant around here for apple is proof to me that more linux geeks are interested in being a part of an 'exclusive' minority than in being involved in things that are open and free (as in speach).
Name a distro and I'll tell you something that does not work out of the box.
But before you do that - take your medication
i'll give you the ssh - but the second part is incorrect. How many mom and pop windows users do you think have installed flash for ie on there windows machine? They just have to say yes when the dialogue to download and install it pops up- and then they are up and running.
Like many others here- I love linux but a lot of things do not work well enough yet for me to recommend it to my friends and family.
I am now running Fedora core 1 on my laptop. I use mozilla as my browser. I went to the mozilla plugin site and followed the directions to install the Flash plugin. I did exactly what it said, but it would not work. I was completely stumped. Finally after about 15 minutes of googling I found out that I needed to go to the shell and execute a command:
/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
ln -s
Wow- I can imagine trying to help someone like my mom over the phone and talking them through that. Not in this lifetime. There was a patch on the web too- apparently to fix this problem but it didn't do it for me. But maybe that works for another distro. I don't think I need to go on about the problems presented by this kind of situation.