*shrugs* I've been called worse things in my life than pedantic:) All I'm really trying to get at here is that most companies aren't going to be hurt by a minority interest group not purchasing their product. If I didn't like how my electric service was delivered (reliable -- and i don't because it's not) and told the company "I'm not gonna put up with this, turn it off" They'll happily do it. I'm one guy that's now sitting in the dark while some customer service rep is giggling about the jackass cutting his nose off to spite his face. Sure, electric service isn't a video card. I'm not claiming that at all. There's a difference between a necessary service and a product, but I'm one guy. Just one. Until something creates more than a blip on their profit radar the powers that be generally don't notice. I'm not saying it's *right* but it is how the majority of profitable companies move on.
Actually, no he's not a stupid end user. He's an average end user, and one I happen to agree with on many levels; and I'm not stupid either.
I'm not a software engineer, and I'm certainly not some high brow programmer with a fuck the user--if they read the damn source code they'd see that cryptic note in line 15295--attitude.
Yes, being familiar with the operating system is any administrators job, but the original poster *does* have a good point. Text file configurations are difficult to deal with. ESPECIALLY if the sample configs don't actually describe all of the available options and are only described on some godawful university ftp server in some backwater state with a 2 concurrent user limit an a 9600 baud USR Sportster for bandwidth. Exaggeration yes, but still. It's not just linux though. It's development in general. Commecial products tend to not want to piss off the end users (even though they do) and Open Source, freeware, shareware etc have this habit of saying "Can't make it work, read the manual ask in 17 newsgroups, read the manual again. Google on the terms you didn't find in the manual, ask in the newgroups again. If you don't find it, send us an email so we can savage and humiliate you for bothering us in our ivory castle. Oh yes your question. RTFM luser."
But this is seriously off topic. Tuxracer? when the hell did that become a game? If linux wants games, there has to be development of *real* games, not penguins on crack. Before there will be development there's gotta be serious users. In another posting somebody said something about the percentage of linux machines on the internet, and then added... "how many of those have monitors?" Count 3 linux machines on the net without monitors in my house alone. They do the bulk of the bull work, but are largely unsuitable for day to day interaction. That's my opinion, and it may not coincide with yours.
Telling somebody they're stupid for having an opposing opinon only makes you the stupid one.
If I read this correctly, one doesn't really need physical access to the device, but only local access, telnet, ssh or anything else that will put them at a command prompt, with the ability to compile/execute code of their choice.
I do agree though, anyone sitting at my server's keyboard is either invited, or cruising for a very serious head injury.
hey now! That picture was from one little party that got just a little too carried away. They haven't slept with eachother more than three times since then!
No sir, GoDaddy does not own the domain. My personal domains as well as our corporate domains are handled with GoDaddy. I can jump ship and take my domains to any registrar (as I did when I moved them TO GoDaddy) stay with them, or whatever. These domains are administered exclusively by myself. The only things GoDaddy does for me is be the registrar and doing registrar duties the same as any other.
Here in the US, we've always held that it was okay to set your prices at "what the market will bear." Software, music, video etc is easily duplicated even with technological methods, and blows that whole theory out of the water. These things aren't food, clothing, shelter, medical attention, gasoline (etc), they aren't required to get by in life, and pricing them at the maximum the market will bear only encourages folks that can't "bear" the price--to steal it in the privacy of their own home and enjoy those luxuries for themselves.
Does anyone remember the targetted advertising of Gmail and how it sorta browses your email to place "relevent" ads on your screen?
Now uhh.. they want to be on your desktop, integrating with the browser, your email, your chat clients and so on?
Am I the only one that didn't overlook that just maybe Google wants to get in on the ground floor of your computer so it can sell you shit you're only vaguely interested in? Now I know that it says it'll only send what you give it explicit permission to send (did you read that EULA carefully? I didn't, just considering the possibilities) Also says non-identifying statistics will be sent.. you can opt out of that. What statistics? The list really sorta goes on. I'm not slamming Google for doing this. I just don't trust them as far as baby pigs can hop.
I personally can't imagine me giving Google permission to browse my computer, email, and chats at will. That's some scary stuff. I can see Homeland Security rubbing their hands together and writing the "we want that info" letters now--cause we're all terrorists you know... it's only the degree of terror we're willing to inflict.
No, it's like he's infiltrating private computer systems for his own gain, and using sleazy tactics to do it. Oh yeah. That's exactly what he's doing. Never mind.
A quick check of some of the other major US ISP's as shown similar reductions in outbound mail. Could it be that we're just in a lull and the pee-pee peddlers are just trying to come up with a new way to spell V|@gr@?
One of the things I noted in the article was that the bulker only gets "charged" if the email is accepted. Why not begin actually accepting the messages for those that show up in the RBL's, but dumping them after the final "OK" just never sending them onto the final recip?
That doesn't help server load, or bandwidth, but in the end, bulker "A" will get "billed" for sending all these great and informative pieces of crap, and the end result is the same as if we'd refused it with a message they'll never really see, only with this they'll pay for it--small as the cost may be.
This may work into an off topic thread, but here goes. I've noticed that with a lot of the OSS community the "rude" or "superior" attitude is very prevalent. As a coder of small items for personal satisfaction, I don't know C++. I don't know every aspect of the operating system, it's file structure and so on. It seems that if you ask a question about a problem, or imply even remotely that there is a problem some self important geek jumps down your throat for calling him a poor programmer. If you ask a question that was answered any time in the last 15 yrs you're expected to find it on some archive site that's been throwing 404's for the last 12 yrs (yes I'm taking liberties with timeframes ) and they refuse to answer. *Sometimes* you'll get a sarcastic "google it" indicating that it might have been answered at one time.
What it comes down to though is rude is rude, attitude is attitude. The surest way to drive somebody away from your product, free or otherwise, is to make them feel like an idiot for asking a question about it. The same goes for policies and releases. A little bit of social skills would go a long way--even in newsgroups that are known for being rude. It's like my momma always said. No matter how rich or smart the man, he's still got an asshole, and an asshole is an asshole. (forgive the language)
or starters, as has already been pointed out, these are the Stanford security admins. If you can't trust them, you're already quite screwed.
have a good look around. Some of these trusted admins are the ones responsible for not taking care of their servers. Uhhh.. no. Calling them in my case would be like asking my 15 yr old neighbor to rebuild my car engine. Sure, he's a pretty damn good mechanic, but his own car smokes and skips quite a bit.
if your IP and a subset of usernames on your system is equivalent to your "hard drive and credit card number"
I remember back in the good old days of VAX and RSTS/E on the PDP-11's. The first rule of thumb was not to tell anyone your password and not write it down. On the flip side of that, we were also instructed *never* to reveal your account number. Even to the SysAdmin. Tell him your name, he can look it up on his own.
In todays environment of brute force attacks, password sniffers (the list goes on) just knowing a username can be the spot of sunlight anyone needs.
OSS isn't all it's cracked up to be either. Unfortunately volunteer efforts tend to let things slide because of real life responsibilities. The Lazarus project of freepascal fame is a good example of this. Some of their bugtracker entries go back as far as 2001 and are shown by their own definition as not addressed (Unfixed).
I'm not saying you don't have a point, but I am saying that not everyone has a crack team of programmers at their command to go over somebody elses source code, and have to rely on the original authors to maintain it. While CSS isn't much different, there are financial concerns to be considered in not fixing problems ie: I'll look for another solution. OSS really doesn't have that; especially with the current techno elite attitude from many of the high profile projects of "If you don't like our stuff, find something different or fix it yourself--but oh.. if you do manage to fix it.. be a doll and send us the diffs?"
The answers aren't as easy as a lot of people think.
Does this mean SCO has to drop it's suit against IBM and the rest of us have to play retroactive licensing fees to an ancient civilization or it's heirs?
Patent#1-Method for keeping track of beads with the additional side benefit of confusing the hell out of some pinprick scholar thousands of years from now.
True.. only on slashdot could a non-event article of this magnitude generate such a broad range of comments from funny, to insightful to self righteous. God I love the internet. Maybe I will take up the basket weaving class.
Being that these people are running code on their machine that they have no clue they're actually running.. hammering the piss out of irc networks all over the world, wasting bandwidth, creating havoc and otherwise presenting their computers to whomever wrote this cluster as a gift?
Yeah.. what adverse effects? Can they be any worse than what's already there? Seems to me if you don't have the worm stop worrying about the effects. If you do have the worm.. get rid of it on your own.
The rest of us (the IRC Community) have to deal with the threats as they come down the pike.
First of all, I'd like to go on the record here as agreeing with many others in the respect that this article was pure unadulterated crap written solely for the purpose of sounding important and eating up space. (in my opinion)
Secondly, how in hell can there be a heart or soul of the internet if we can't even place where it begins or ends? Every time we come close to finding out that the net "wont go there" some silly jackass comes up with the idea of a "wired refrigerator" or something. For christs sake, what's next the blow-up doll with a 10/100 port so it'll be inflated and warmed up when I get home from work?
I remember when the internet was useful. You could find reference to information, once you found the reference you could read it (mostly in your own language) and you didn't have to stare at somebodys boobs or penis. Now I can lose weight, enlarge my penis, buck up my sex drive and gain the email addresses of millions of people all from the comfort of my office chair while doing a basic search for a programming tool.
Ladies and Gentlemen; we can all do without this crap. We can do without the junk on the internet and the people who write junk trying to personify and create the image of some ever changing entity that will either save or destroy us all depending on the yarn of the day. I know I personally don't give a crap about who's where, where it starts, where it ends. I don't care about java on the web, I don't want a "compelling experience" I'd just like to be able to read the friggin page in something other than russian or chinese?!?
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive, but the "net" is going to hell in a handbasket and soon there will only be two groups of people.... script kiddies and the marketting guys trying to sell them penis enlargers... > I want my old BBS back!
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*shrugs* I've been called worse things in my life than pedantic :) All I'm really trying to get at here is that most companies aren't going to be hurt by a minority interest group not purchasing their product. If I didn't like how my electric service was delivered (reliable -- and i don't because it's not) and told the company "I'm not gonna put up with this, turn it off" They'll happily do it. I'm one guy that's now sitting in the dark while some customer service rep is giggling about the jackass cutting his nose off to spite his face. Sure, electric service isn't a video card. I'm not claiming that at all. There's a difference between a necessary service and a product, but I'm one guy. Just one. Until something creates more than a blip on their profit radar the powers that be generally don't notice. I'm not saying it's *right* but it is how the majority of profitable companies move on.
no.. we don't pay their wages. We buy the product from the company. The company pays those wages.
Unless you figure you're employing the company by way of purchasing their product. Saying you pay their wages isn't write.
You've contributed to the income of the company that eventually trickles down to the wage category.
Actually, no he's not a stupid end user. He's an average end user, and one I happen to agree with on many levels; and I'm not stupid either.
I'm not a software engineer, and I'm certainly not some high brow programmer with a fuck the user--if they read the damn source code they'd see that cryptic note in line 15295--attitude.
Yes, being familiar with the operating system is any administrators job, but the original poster *does* have a good point. Text file configurations are difficult to deal with. ESPECIALLY if the sample configs don't actually describe all of the available options and are only described on some godawful university ftp server in some backwater state with a 2 concurrent user limit an a 9600 baud USR Sportster for bandwidth. Exaggeration yes, but still. It's not just linux though. It's development in general. Commecial products tend to not want to piss off the end users (even though they do) and Open Source, freeware, shareware etc have this habit of saying "Can't make it work, read the manual ask in 17 newsgroups, read the manual again. Google on the terms you didn't find in the manual, ask in the newgroups again. If you don't find it, send us an email so we can savage and humiliate you for bothering us in our ivory castle. Oh yes your question. RTFM luser."
But this is seriously off topic. Tuxracer? when the hell did that become a game? If linux wants games, there has to be development of *real* games, not penguins on crack. Before there will be development there's gotta be serious users. In another posting somebody said something about the percentage of linux machines on the internet, and then added... "how many of those have monitors?" Count 3 linux machines on the net without monitors in my house alone. They do the bulk of the bull work, but are largely unsuitable for day to day interaction. That's my opinion, and it may not coincide with yours.
Telling somebody they're stupid for having an opposing opinon only makes you the stupid one.
If I read this correctly, one doesn't really need physical access to the device, but only local access, telnet, ssh or anything else that will put them at a command prompt, with the ability to compile/execute code of their choice.
I do agree though, anyone sitting at my server's keyboard is either invited, or cruising for a very serious head injury.
hey now! That picture was from one little party that got just a little too carried away. They haven't slept with eachother more than three times since then!
No sir, GoDaddy does not own the domain. My personal domains as well as our corporate domains are handled with GoDaddy. I can jump ship and take my domains to any registrar (as I did when I moved them TO GoDaddy) stay with them, or whatever. These domains are administered exclusively by myself. The only things GoDaddy does for me is be the registrar and doing registrar duties the same as any other.
Here in the US, we've always held that it was okay to set your prices at "what the market will bear." Software, music, video etc is easily duplicated even with technological methods, and blows that whole theory out of the water. These things aren't food, clothing, shelter, medical attention, gasoline (etc), they aren't required to get by in life, and pricing them at the maximum the market will bear only encourages folks that can't "bear" the price--to steal it in the privacy of their own home and enjoy those luxuries for themselves.
Does anyone remember the targetted advertising of Gmail and how it sorta browses your email to place "relevent" ads on your screen?
Now uhh.. they want to be on your desktop, integrating with the browser, your email, your chat clients and so on?
Am I the only one that didn't overlook that just maybe Google wants to get in on the ground floor of your computer so it can sell you shit you're only vaguely interested in? Now I know that it says it'll only send what you give it explicit permission to send (did you read that EULA carefully? I didn't, just considering the possibilities) Also says non-identifying statistics will be sent.. you can opt out of that. What statistics? The list really sorta goes on. I'm not slamming Google for doing this. I just don't trust them as far as baby pigs can hop.
I personally can't imagine me giving Google permission to browse my computer, email, and chats at will. That's some scary stuff. I can see Homeland Security rubbing their hands together and writing the "we want that info" letters now--cause we're all terrorists you know... it's only the degree of terror we're willing to inflict.
No, it's like he's infiltrating private computer systems for his own gain, and using sleazy tactics to do it. Oh yeah. That's exactly what he's doing. Never mind.
I've already found three of my high school girlfriends, and that really sexy sheep down the street.
Go technology!
Actually this would be a shithot way to find out just how long the postman is hanging out at your house while your at work.
I can just imagine the look on the "offender's" faces!
The no cohabitation clause doesn't restrict sex between consenting adults.. it restricts residency.
They can still do the horizontal fandance. Party A just can't make permanent residence with party B.
Sounds to like your boss needs to masturbate more.
Wait.. how did this turn into a Microsoft bashing contest.
oh.. nevermind this is Slashdot. EVERY article is good cause to bash Microsoft.
My apologies. *hands you the lube* We now return you to your regularly scheduled ass whomping.
A quick check of some of the other major US ISP's as shown similar reductions in outbound mail. Could it be that we're just in a lull and the pee-pee peddlers are just trying to come up with a new way to spell V|@gr@?
One of the things I noted in the article was that the bulker only gets "charged" if the email is accepted. Why not begin actually accepting the messages for those that show up in the RBL's, but dumping them after the final "OK" just never sending them onto the final recip?
That doesn't help server load, or bandwidth, but in the end, bulker "A" will get "billed" for sending all these great and informative pieces of crap, and the end result is the same as if we'd refused it with a message they'll never really see, only with this they'll pay for it--small as the cost may be.
This may work into an off topic thread, but here goes. I've noticed that with a lot of the OSS community the "rude" or "superior" attitude is very prevalent. As a coder of small items for personal satisfaction, I don't know C++. I don't know every aspect of the operating system, it's file structure and so on. It seems that if you ask a question about a problem, or imply even remotely that there is a problem some self important geek jumps down your throat for calling him a poor programmer. If you ask a question that was answered any time in the last 15 yrs you're expected to find it on some archive site that's been throwing 404's for the last 12 yrs (yes I'm taking liberties with timeframes ) and they refuse to answer. *Sometimes* you'll get a sarcastic "google it" indicating that it might have been answered at one time.
What it comes down to though is rude is rude, attitude is attitude. The surest way to drive somebody away from your product, free or otherwise, is to make them feel like an idiot for asking a question about it. The same goes for policies and releases. A little bit of social skills would go a long way--even in newsgroups that are known for being rude. It's like my momma always said. No matter how rich or smart the man, he's still got an asshole, and an asshole is an asshole. (forgive the language)
or starters, as has already been pointed out, these are the Stanford security admins. If you can't trust them, you're already quite screwed.
have a good look around. Some of these trusted admins are the ones responsible for not taking care of their servers. Uhhh.. no. Calling them in my case would be like asking my 15 yr old neighbor to rebuild my car engine. Sure, he's a pretty damn good mechanic, but his own car smokes and skips quite a bit.
if your IP and a subset of usernames on your system is equivalent to your "hard drive and credit card number"
I remember back in the good old days of VAX and RSTS/E on the PDP-11's. The first rule of thumb was not to tell anyone your password and not write it down. On the flip side of that, we were also instructed *never* to reveal your account number. Even to the SysAdmin. Tell him your name, he can look it up on his own.
In todays environment of brute force attacks, password sniffers (the list goes on) just knowing a username can be the spot of sunlight anyone needs.
OSS isn't all it's cracked up to be either. Unfortunately volunteer efforts tend to let things slide because of real life responsibilities. The Lazarus project of freepascal fame is a good example of this. Some of their bugtracker entries go back as far as 2001 and are shown by their own definition as not addressed (Unfixed).
p =m odload&name=BugTracker&file=index
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/modules.php?o
I'm not saying you don't have a point, but I am saying that not everyone has a crack team of programmers at their command to go over somebody elses source code, and have to rely on the original authors to maintain it. While CSS isn't much different, there are financial concerns to be considered in not fixing problems ie: I'll look for another solution. OSS really doesn't have that; especially with the current techno elite attitude from many of the high profile projects of "If you don't like our stuff, find something different or fix it yourself--but oh.. if you do manage to fix it.. be a doll and send us the diffs?"
The answers aren't as easy as a lot of people think.
That thread (including the orignal patch) is almost as anal as the KY float in a gay pride parade.
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There's no hurry to present any evidence - we can always dig up proof later, and that could take ages
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I have no karma. My boyfriend tells me that all the time.
Does this mean SCO has to drop it's suit against IBM and the rest of us have to play retroactive licensing fees to an ancient civilization or it's heirs?
Patent#1-Method for keeping track of beads with the additional side benefit of confusing the hell out of some pinprick scholar thousands of years from now.
True.. only on slashdot could a non-event article of this magnitude generate such a broad range of comments from funny, to insightful to self righteous. God I love the internet. Maybe I will take up the basket weaving class.
Being that these people are running code on their machine that they have no clue they're actually running.. hammering the piss out of irc networks all over the world, wasting bandwidth, creating havoc and otherwise presenting their computers to whomever wrote this cluster as a gift?
Yeah.. what adverse effects? Can they be any worse than what's already there? Seems to me if you don't have the worm stop worrying about the effects. If you do have the worm.. get rid of it on your own.
The rest of us (the IRC Community) have to deal with the threats as they come down the pike.
First of all, I'd like to go on the record here as agreeing with many others in the respect that this article was pure unadulterated crap written solely for the purpose of sounding important and eating up space. (in my opinion)
Secondly, how in hell can there be a heart or soul of the internet if we can't even place where it begins or ends? Every time we come close to finding out that the net "wont go there" some silly jackass comes up with the idea of a "wired refrigerator" or something. For christs sake, what's next the blow-up doll with a 10/100 port so it'll be inflated and warmed up when I get home from work?
I remember when the internet was useful. You could find reference to information, once you found the reference you could read it (mostly in your own language) and you didn't have to stare at somebodys boobs or penis. Now I can lose weight, enlarge my penis, buck up my sex drive and gain the email addresses of millions of people all from the comfort of my office chair while doing a basic search for a programming tool.
Ladies and Gentlemen; we can all do without this crap. We can do without the junk on the internet and the people who write junk trying to personify and create the image of some ever changing entity that will either save or destroy us all depending on the yarn of the day. I know I personally don't give a crap about who's where, where it starts, where it ends. I don't care about java on the web, I don't want a "compelling experience" I'd just like to be able to read the friggin page in something other than russian or chinese?!?
Maybe I'm just overly sensitive, but the "net" is going to hell in a handbasket and soon there will only be two groups of people.... script kiddies and the marketting guys trying to sell them penis enlargers... > I want my old BBS back!