Just so you know, the ability to render badly formatted pages "correctly" is _not_ a good thing, because it promotes bad coding.
Maybe it's just me, but I really disagree with that. The ability to render badly formatted pages indicates a flexibility to produce output from poorly written code. Most of the world doesn't care about 110% compliant HTML, it cares about being able to see the webpage they've requested.
Most people just don't care about the code behind the window.
I never took Bugzilla seriously mainly because of the overly complicated method of searching it, the silliness (ie: zarro bugs found) and the mere concept that it's just another 'zilla.
I'll admit all minor things (except the UI) but like was mentioned earlier about a company not approving the use of a product named "subversion" names mean a lot, and a professional appearance can mean far more than the underlying functionality.
Why is Dvorak given continued attention by people with a clue? His consistently self important "wrongness" just drags PC Magazine down the the level of the National Enquirer... if it could actually be pulled any farther down in that direction.
To continue to give this guy credence just reinforces that he's more coherent than a clueless nitwit on crack.
Apparently it's a very slow news day. In the interests of being remotely on topic.. (yes my karma will suffer dearly for this)
Why would this be any real surprise to anyone? MSN being MS is obviously going to give preferential treatment to their own products. This may be by design or strictly because IIS servers respond to some proprietary (yes I said it) requests that other servers won't.
I don't necessarily see it as an evil thing, but it's not entirely philanthropic either.
> Also, what if the feature you want has a bug and the commercial guys won't fix it? Or what if you put it in a new environment and need the feature to also do Y or Z, but the commercial guys aren't interested.
Exactly the same situation as with the open "solution." The folks providing the solution aren't interested in messing about with your requirements. Isn't that what got the original poster on the $10,000 bandwagon rather than the $50,000 freebie deal?
For me, linux may have a lot of features in the kernel that I don't care about. On the other hand, it's a reasonably excellent one size fits all solution for MY needs--out of the ISO. Ok, sometimes I need to recompile it to support a special RAID controller or SMP setup but the vast majority of the time my servers click along very nicely and the machines that run it on the desktop are reasonably well suited for the task.
Additionally, CA talking about bloat is definite a pot, kettle, black thing. Does anyone remember Nantucket Clipper? I do.
it's not, nslookup is, but that's beside the point. depreciated or not, it still works and provides the information intended until the gods of linux or whoever is in charge of that sorta thing decides that depreciated means no longer distributed..
>Charging money to see source code is not "open source".... so no, you can't play in our sandpit.
At the risk of starting yet another flame war... If your sandpit means I have to give away stuff I've worked to produce, build or otherwise create (unless I choose to); I'll go find another sandpit--if I choose to give it away, i may find another sandpit just because I don't like the "all or nothing" approach of yours.
I don't see any reference (by MS) in the article about open source, or even open *anything*. The article said that the information was publically available. Ok, so you have to sign an agreement. Available does not mean it has to be flapping in the breeze like a big flag that anyone can come and walk off with whenever they want, however they want. As near as I can figure that means they're playing in a different sandpit. Big deal. I didn't see much in the article that even indicated that anyone from MS was standing at the border of your sandpit crying with a bucket in their hand.
They've got their own sandpit. It's a big one and lots of people are signing a piece of paper to have a look at their toys.
Ok, enough with the playground references.
MS isn't making the format open; they're making it available. That's not the same thing. It's available... with restrictions and since they made it (defined it?), they can restrict it.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a MS lackey. I use 80% *nix systems, however I am an admin and developer in an MS shop so I have to live in both worlds. They both have a place and they both have shining stars shimmering over stinky cesspools.
While I tend to agree that sometimes Open Source reinvents the wheel, that's also part of the "porting" exercise. Additionally TTD never really did play all that well on Windows. It was pretty solid under DOS, but how many of us still use that (regularly?) Maybe I shouldn't have asked that. Lord knows I have a dos box laying around. I digress though.
Civ was great in it's time and I'm personally very impressed that these people have taken the time to update, port and support a project *they* enjoy. Bluntly, if you don't like it.. don't mess with it. Forget it exists and move along. Nothing to see here.
On the other hand, I'll be loading up FreeCiv and now OpenTTD (thank you parent! I didn't even know it existed) and loving it. I live in a rural area, with some nearby neighbors and friends. We all share a wireless network that isn't a hotspot and love to play multiplayer games in the evenings. These will be a great addition to our arsenal. Additionally the kids love these "retro" games. What was fantastic in OUR day is retro for them and they think it's cool as hell. I say keep going guys! If I can help, I most certainly will.
yeah, I guess you're right. I don't know what I was thinking. Boy, it sure seemed that doing "something" was right at the time. I guess doing nothing is better than something any day.
[end of sarcasm]
as I see it, this isn't about free or anonymous speech at all. it's about registering with valid information. Period. If somebody finds out it's not valid, at least in this instance there's somebody to complain to -- even if in the end they do nothing about it. At least we've got an avenue to persue now.
when I can do a whois and actually have a decent idea of who I should be calling when I get spammed etc and so on. This has been a long time coming, and I for one wouldn't be the least bit disturbed to see it happen across the board.
fact of the matter is that most of the time it's going to be somebody else's cool stuff. Not mine. I don't care about anyone else's links, and I don't expect them to care about mine. That's why I would avoid such services, and also why my blog is privately hosted by myself on a private machine. Funny that. I use it as a journal, not a social experiment:) This is the internet. It's a NETWORK people. NETWORK!!! not a community, not a social experience and if it's THIS much a part of your life, there's a good possibility you may require professional help.
I wonder what kind of splash a web server makes when it hits bottom? But yes, this article is a bit over the top. You can have good news, interesting news or slashdot news. Take your pick, but you can't mix and match.
Has anyone ever timed Acrobat (or Acrobat reader) on it's startup? It's reaaaally slow. Has anyone ever had IE freeze only to kill the process and find Acrobat Reader's "Do you want to check for updates?" box hidden under the browser?
I have several times, including once today. Checking the don't ever do this again checkbox only seems to work until the next upgrade and then it just turns itself back on again. (or so it seems)
Acrobat does have a lot going for it, but the ways of doing many things are irritating. Some things we just learn to live with. That doesn't mean it's right, but it also doesn't mean it's a reason to throw away the tool.
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I'd rather see dupes and articles such as this (which is admittedly quite cool and interesting -- to me ) than articles like "What's your favorite web browser and why?" or "Which is your favorite linux distrubition and why?" "What color was the first condom you ever used... *sigh* and why?"
I think it's pretty cool that I can come here, be forced to actually think and read articles about stuff I've never seen and don't entirely understand.. even if it was posted two days ago. I don't stop in every day.;)
Please note that this is not intended to be a flame. If you (general populace) are offended by the tone or content of this post you may freely ignore those parts without any negative impact.
Nobody forced me to start smoking. I did that myself. Some days I'm addicted, some days I'm not (or so it seems when I only light up one or two the whole day).
The great thing is that I can decide. Now I have people trying to make the decision for me? Life is full of dangers. Some of them are self inflicted, some of them aren't. Just deal with it. I'm not forcing you to smoke don't try to [get somebody to] force me to stop. Beyond that, lets not even go into the second hand smoke bit. When I (personally) blow smoke toward you then you can complain. If somebody else does? complain to them. I'll bet if you do it politely they'll even apologize. (certain jerks excepted of course)
Additionally, I don't believe addictions are instant. Addictions take at least a fairly regular repeat usage to take hold. I may be wrong (and often am) but I don't believe anything is a one shot addiction. Therefore the statement that it's not a choice once it enters the body is a really cool buzz-phrase, is in my personal opinion incorrect. It's an addiction when a person chooses to introduce it into the body often enough that their body no longer allows the choice. They still made the choice during the time their body was saying "Hrm.. what is this stuff?!?"
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Maybe it's just me, but I really disagree with that. The ability to render badly formatted pages indicates a flexibility to produce output from poorly written code. Most of the world doesn't care about 110% compliant HTML, it cares about being able to see the webpage they've requested.
Most people just don't care about the code behind the window.
I never took Bugzilla seriously mainly because of the overly complicated method of searching it, the silliness (ie: zarro bugs found) and the mere concept that it's just another 'zilla.
I'll admit all minor things (except the UI) but like was mentioned earlier about a company not approving the use of a product named "subversion" names mean a lot, and a professional appearance can mean far more than the underlying functionality.
Why is Dvorak given continued attention by people with a clue? His consistently self important "wrongness" just drags PC Magazine down the the level of the National Enquirer... if it could actually be pulled any farther down in that direction.
To continue to give this guy credence just reinforces that he's more coherent than a clueless nitwit on crack.
sure :) _I'm_ offtopic ... Sense of humor required for proper use of this post.
No, I'm not, but would you be offended if I said yes? *grin*
Years ago, on the early days of DALnet we used to have the newbies that asked for operator status to type /helpop OP ME ASSHOLE!
the resulting kill by an ircop never ceased to be entertaining.
I'm a netadmin for a very small network now, and while not proud of my youthful indiscretions, I still snicker a bit when I think of it.
This was a fun reminder of better days.
I popped my coding cherry on RPG II. My momma was right, I later regretted not waiting.
exactly. Must have been from WV. or not.. and found too much in common with their own situation.
As many years as I've been here I've never once been moderated a troll (or funny for that matter) today I've been moderated both!
YAY!
Unless he's from west virginia. Then his next of kin would be standing next to him holding the pig.
[west virginia slur is random and not aimed at any one individial]
*gasp* Slashdot runs on IIS?!?
this revelation before lunch?
Apparently it's a very slow news day. In the interests of being remotely on topic.. (yes my karma will suffer dearly for this)
Why would this be any real surprise to anyone? MSN being MS is obviously going to give preferential treatment to their own products. This may be by design or strictly because IIS servers respond to some proprietary (yes I said it) requests that other servers won't.
I don't necessarily see it as an evil thing, but it's not entirely philanthropic either.
> Also, what if the feature you want has a bug and the commercial guys won't fix it? Or what if you put it in a new environment and need the feature to also do Y or Z, but the commercial guys aren't interested.
Exactly the same situation as with the open "solution." The folks providing the solution aren't interested in messing about with your requirements. Isn't that what got the original poster on the $10,000 bandwagon rather than the $50,000 freebie deal?
For me, linux may have a lot of features in the kernel that I don't care about. On the other hand, it's a reasonably excellent one size fits all solution for MY needs--out of the ISO. Ok, sometimes I need to recompile it to support a special RAID controller or SMP setup but the vast majority of the time my servers click along very nicely and the machines that run it on the desktop are reasonably well suited for the task.
Additionally, CA talking about bloat is definite a pot, kettle, black thing. Does anyone remember Nantucket Clipper? I do.
you seem a little stressed. *grin*
it's not, nslookup is, but that's beside the point. depreciated or not, it still works and provides the information intended until the gods of linux or whoever is in charge of that sorta thing decides that depreciated means no longer distributed..
>Charging money to see source code is not "open source".... so no, you can't play in our sandpit.
At the risk of starting yet another flame war... If your sandpit means I have to give away stuff I've worked to produce, build or otherwise create (unless I choose to); I'll go find another sandpit--if I choose to give it away, i may find another sandpit just because I don't like the "all or nothing" approach of yours.
I don't see any reference (by MS) in the article about open source, or even open *anything*. The article said that the information was publically available. Ok, so you have to sign an agreement. Available does not mean it has to be flapping in the breeze like a big flag that anyone can come and walk off with whenever they want, however they want. As near as I can figure that means they're playing in a different sandpit. Big deal. I didn't see much in the article that even indicated that anyone from MS was standing at the border of your sandpit crying with a bucket in their hand.
They've got their own sandpit. It's a big one and lots of people are signing a piece of paper to have a look at their toys.
Ok, enough with the playground references.
MS isn't making the format open; they're making it available. That's not the same thing. It's available... with restrictions and since they made it (defined it?), they can restrict it.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a MS lackey. I use 80% *nix systems, however I am an admin and developer in an MS shop so I have to live in both worlds. They both have a place and they both have shining stars shimmering over stinky cesspools.
Just goes to show that with the correct amount of lunacy anything can be made insecure. *grin*
I really wanted to say stupidity, but hey, I just didn't have the heart in case somebody really did cut/paste it.
While I tend to agree that sometimes Open Source reinvents the wheel, that's also part of the "porting" exercise. Additionally TTD never really did play all that well on Windows. It was pretty solid under DOS, but how many of us still use that (regularly?) Maybe I shouldn't have asked that. Lord knows I have a dos box laying around. I digress though.
Civ was great in it's time and I'm personally very impressed that these people have taken the time to update, port and support a project *they* enjoy. Bluntly, if you don't like it.. don't mess with it. Forget it exists and move along. Nothing to see here.
On the other hand, I'll be loading up FreeCiv and now OpenTTD (thank you parent! I didn't even know it existed) and loving it. I live in a rural area, with some nearby neighbors and friends. We all share a wireless network that isn't a hotspot and love to play multiplayer games in the evenings. These will be a great addition to our arsenal. Additionally the kids love these "retro" games. What was fantastic in OUR day is retro for them and they think it's cool as hell. I say keep going guys! If I can help, I most certainly will.
yeah, I guess you're right. I don't know what I was thinking. Boy, it sure seemed that doing "something" was right at the time. I guess doing nothing is better than something any day.
[end of sarcasm]
as I see it, this isn't about free or anonymous speech at all. it's about registering with valid information. Period. If somebody finds out it's not valid, at least in this instance there's somebody to complain to -- even if in the end they do nothing about it. At least we've got an avenue to persue now.
when I can do a whois and actually have a decent idea of who I should be calling when I get spammed etc and so on. This has been a long time coming, and I for one wouldn't be the least bit disturbed to see it happen across the board.
fact of the matter is that most of the time it's going to be somebody else's cool stuff. Not mine. I don't care about anyone else's links, and I don't expect them to care about mine. That's why I would avoid such services, and also why my blog is privately hosted by myself on a private machine. Funny that. I use it as a journal, not a social experiment :) This is the internet. It's a NETWORK people. NETWORK!!! not a community, not a social experience and if it's THIS much a part of your life, there's a good possibility you may require professional help.
I wonder what kind of splash a web server makes when it hits bottom? But yes, this article is a bit over the top. You can have good news, interesting news or slashdot news. Take your pick, but you can't mix and match.
Has anyone ever timed Acrobat (or Acrobat reader) on it's startup? It's reaaaally slow. Has anyone ever had IE freeze only to kill the process and find Acrobat Reader's "Do you want to check for updates?" box hidden under the browser?
I have several times, including once today. Checking the don't ever do this again checkbox only seems to work until the next upgrade and then it just turns itself back on again. (or so it seems)
Acrobat does have a lot going for it, but the ways of doing many things are irritating. Some things we just learn to live with. That doesn't mean it's right, but it also doesn't mean it's a reason to throw away the tool.
I'd rather see dupes and articles such as this (which is admittedly quite cool and interesting -- to me ) than articles like "What's your favorite web browser and why?" or "Which is your favorite linux distrubition and why?" "What color was the first condom you ever used... *sigh* and why?"
;)
I think it's pretty cool that I can come here, be forced to actually think and read articles about stuff I've never seen and don't entirely understand.. even if it was posted two days ago. I don't stop in every day.
Please note that this is not intended to be a flame. If you (general populace) are offended by the tone or content of this post you may freely ignore those parts without any negative impact.
Who's going to protect me from the protectors?
Nobody forced me to start smoking. I did that myself. Some days I'm addicted, some days I'm not (or so it seems when I only light up one or two the whole day).
The great thing is that I can decide. Now I have people trying to make the decision for me? Life is full of dangers. Some of them are self inflicted, some of them aren't. Just deal with it. I'm not forcing you to smoke don't try to [get somebody to] force me to stop. Beyond that, lets not even go into the second hand smoke bit. When I (personally) blow smoke toward you then you can complain. If somebody else does? complain to them. I'll bet if you do it politely they'll even apologize. (certain jerks excepted of course)
Additionally, I don't believe addictions are instant. Addictions take at least a fairly regular repeat usage to take hold. I may be wrong (and often am) but I don't believe anything is a one shot addiction. Therefore the statement that it's not a choice once it enters the body is a really cool buzz-phrase, is in my personal opinion incorrect. It's an addiction when a person chooses to introduce it into the body often enough that their body no longer allows the choice. They still made the choice during the time their body was saying "Hrm.. what is this stuff?!?"