I would very readily give money to someone who makes me more secure about my communications
I know it sounds crazy, but how about being secure in your communications? Don't disclose things to people in areas that are insecure. Why does society think it's always up to somebody else to protect us from ourselves?
Beyond that, companies that study things are hired researchers. They're largely hired to legitimize a predetermined answer; not actually research an answer, for that answer may contradict the company's (or clients) interests.
if you reckon that it will only take 15 minutes to build a gdialog installer, then why the fsck haven't
YOU gotten off your @rse and done it then...
In the past I've brought this to people's attention and been moderated a troll, but because I am who I am, here I go again.
While I *DO* agree this guy was being a real prick, you have continued the tradition and once again shown the level of arrogance found quite often (devs! don't get your panties in a bunch, I didn't say ALWAYS--quite often!) in the open source community. It's the whole "fix it yourself and contribute the patch" mentality. Yes, the original post was a clusterf**k of whining and crap, but the response was little more than the same.
I didn't see anyone say they would make the cut, only that they advocated it. I personally might not make the cut, but then again I'm single, 40 yrs old and I adopted my two children so... maybe I'm not the perfect example for your statement.
I had post today. Slash's CSS mangled it. Then the page expired. The best part is that it wasn't even a troll!:)
Anyhow the short version is that the skiddies will find away around anything to get the income from installing this crap. Bundle the package with something else.. other pukeware--yes it's already being done-- then install THAT via ActiveX and the deed is done. 180 gets to be happy because they were installed via a bundler; and the pimply faced weasel gets to feel proud for putting one over on gramma AND 180 solutions.
I got a smack in the head from the clerk and was told not to come back. I can't imagine how my parents would have managed to pay for a lawsuit.
By suing the clerk for assault and child abuse, naming the owner of the music store as co-defendant; then taking over ownership of the chain.. and joining the RIAA... oh damn, now they're one of THEM! AHHHGH!
except they're not taking away her child. Just suing her. Big difference there too. However I agree with the balance of your post and would like nothing more than to see RIAA collapse under it's own weight.
It would actually be nice to see some of these artists stop working with RIAA affiliated houses and decry their actions often and in public.
"Hi! I'm Mick Jaggar and I want to remind you that the RIAA sued a 14 yr old girl. That sucks and I think you should tell them that--a lot--need their 800 number?"
the microsoft developer newsgroups are usually pretty good. Yes, they do put out with a lot of the "we know it's a bug" stuff; but they also come across with at least some reasonable workarounds. Maybe part of that is because the developers are (somewhat) participating in the microsoft hosted newsgroups and as you said, they do have their image to protect; as well as the company's.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming either model (completely) just covering part of what makes who I view as average developers leave the fold.
I'm almost positive I'll be moderated 'troll' again, and of course given my posting history you can see that I obviously troll daily *smile* I guess a project developer got mod points today.... anyhow--
I agree that there is no perfect environment. If there were, anyone would be a developer. On the other hand, Microsoft has generally been helpful and reasonably informative whenever I've posted questions to their newsgroups. Posting a question to an Open Source project forum, newsgroup or whatever many times (note I did not say always) leads to an openly hostile and arrogant attitude that drives many developers away.
This is true, but which version of Qt? will it break anything else on my system that uses any of the other multitudes of versions of Qt?
Personally, I don't develop for linux because I can't be sure of the target system. It's not like the Open Source community of developers have never "depreciated" anything before, or broke it, or made something that used to work *not* work because they felt it was better to do it a different way. Of course if you question that wisdom you're essentially told to fuck off. It's their sandbox and they'll be the first one to tell you that if you don't like something fix it yourself. Additionally once you've done that job, and fixed it yourself they want you to come crawling back to them with your tail between your legs wimpering, and uploading the patches at the same time.
For me, the GPL isn't hindering development, it's the other developers.
I like ejection seats in the passenger compartment. On a long flight, the terrorist has to sit down sometime, the pilot presses that seat's 'code' from his console and *whap* terrorist gets his head splatted into the roof(?). Sure, that might only work once or twice, but after that the terrorists have to start wondering what might be up next. A bit of uncertainty is generally a good thing.
In other news, I recommend to Taco that he blow up this childish 403'ing of the w3 validator so we can actually, uhm, test your new layout as you have asked us to. Kthx
Why is that so important? Why is being tested such a big deal and it seems to me that it's not something that any webmaster has to allow.
What's the deal with people thinking that something is owed to them just because a daemon sets a port to listen?
as a non-citizen why should the US do anything at all to protect you? Seriously! What has Singapore done to protect ME? How about France? Italy? I'm willing to bet they don't even know I exist.
Even as an invisible non-entity such as "non-citizen" these same countries aren't going to do diddly squat to protect me unless I'm physically on their soil or under their political control.
Why do people think the world owes them protection? You owe it to yourself to look out for yourself and those you love.
you apparently didn't read the whole post. I also stated quite blatently that most other distributions couldn't handle it either, and FC4 would only handle this box if it did all the disk partitioning itself from totally blank drives.
I'm not afraid to post with my account. Karma means nothing to me.
Well with that startling endorsement from an AC, I've decided that I'll take the rest of the day off work, run right home and install Ubuntu on everything I own, including the toaster.
wtf?
I attempted to install ubuntu on one of my old Quad PIII Xeon Proliant servers. It got totally confused on how to deal with 13 SCSI drives, some of which are software RAID 5, some on a RAID controller, and some logical volumes. The poor thing never got itself going after the first reboot.
To it's credit, neither did Debian. Suse made it, but as soon as the auto-updates ran through it died. (who at Suse thought up the idea of updating the kernel and removing the old kernel from/boot?)
Further, even RH/FC4 couldn't get this thing to boot unless I let it have it's way with the drives after a complete System Erase.
Granted, This box is wierd and not the average mainstream machine; but it was a very common server, and even today a Quad PIII Xeon with a gig of RAM is nothing to sneeze at. Any distribution should be fairly happy to live in such an environment. (at least in my opinion)
As much as this is a repeated troll, and definitely meant to stir up trouble, try to look beyond what the poster is trying to do and really look at the content.
YES! linux is difficult for the average user to install software. YES! It's difficult to troubleshoot, and YES! It's user interface isn't intuitive to anyone that isn't familiar with linux in the first place.
What the poster is saying is truly valid, how he's saying it is dumb.
Remember, Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my Uncle Jack off his horse." and "I had to help my Uncle jack off his horse."
Windows doesn't have a menu editor? When did that disappear? Try a right click on the task bar, and go to the "Advanced" tab (this works in windows 2k btw) you'll see a whole part in there about customizing, adding to and removing stuff from the start menu. Of course that's too easy and probably doesn't lend itself to slamming microsoft so I digress.
Anyhow, my complaint with Gnome isn't so much that this stuff can't be done, but how convoluted it is to do it. Typing applications:/// in Nautilus, or digging around for some buried functionality or looking for the menus in the/usr filesystem is bullcrap.
Customizing your menu to add applications that you use, and remove applications that you don't is basic functionality for pretty much any desktop. Not having that capability right off the get-go is a big black mark for any desktop environment. That Gnome had it and removed it tells me that the person who used to swing the clue stick on the dev team has gone someplace else--and took the menu editor with him (or her)
Maybe the concept should be that you can have your 113 button or whatever mouse and call it a "gamer's mouse."
I on the other hand would like to be able to find a mouse that has 2-4 buttons, a wheelie bobber that actually has indents (I hate that smooth scroll wheel) and to be honest? I've never once rammed my mouse wheel to the left or right to horizontally scroll. Maybe it's just me. I'm one of those crazy computer users that find more of a use for the letters on the keyboard and the computer actually crunching numbers and processing data (financial or otherwise).
or they don't get the concept and just keep crying. Much like the folks that use $ instead of S... maybe they figure it's so cool everyone was speechless.
I'm tired of the burden of co-operation being on Linux all the time!
Would you like some cheese with that?
In all seriousness though, you do have some good points about MS opening up at least the formats their software uses to allow for interoperability. On the other hand, it's not Microsoft's problem when it comes down to something a Linux desktop can or can't do. You said that you were tired of the burden being on Linux all the time. Well yeah, that's true. It is up to the underdog to conform with the pack. A car manufacturer has to make cars that pretty much look and work like everyone elses, If I made keyboards and decided to put the space bar smack in the middle of the thing, and paint it dayglo green, I probably wouldn't have many customers (over the age of 14).
Conformity in the marketplace is the way it works. Linux is *not* the old timer here. It may be using insanely old technology that has been brought up to par with todays technology, but Linux is relatively new. It doesn't have the market share to command a standard or conformity.
Hell even Apple didn't have that kinda clout or we'd be looking at a ] prompt instead of C:\>
In the late 70's to early 80's damn near every wide eyed child was sitting in school staring at a cute little Apple ][ or clone. They had penetration, but IBM swept in with the original PC and turned the whole [educational] computing world upside down almost overnight. That put familiarity on the side of IBM, and once you have familiarity with your product (do you call them Band-aids or adhesive strips?) you can command conformity until somebody else makes a bigger splash. If Linux wants to stop bearing the burden, it needs to pull off one great big belly whopper and hit the deep end of the pool. I look forward to the day that happens too! Don't be surprised to see MS trying to rapidly drain the pool though.
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Well.. if Wikipedia says so, it must be true. *rolls eyes* netcraft confirms it.
sorry.. i had to. it was too easy. "Wikipedia says so" is rapidly becoming the next Netcraft.
I know it sounds crazy, but how about being secure in your communications? Don't disclose things to people in areas that are insecure. Why does society think it's always up to somebody else to protect us from ourselves?
Beyond that, companies that study things are hired researchers. They're largely hired to legitimize a predetermined answer; not actually research an answer, for that answer may contradict the company's (or clients) interests.
In the past I've brought this to people's attention and been moderated a troll, but because I am who I am, here I go again.
While I *DO* agree this guy was being a real prick, you have continued the tradition and once again shown the level of arrogance found quite often (devs! don't get your panties in a bunch, I didn't say ALWAYS--quite often!) in the open source community. It's the whole "fix it yourself and contribute the patch" mentality. Yes, the original post was a clusterf**k of whining and crap, but the response was little more than the same.
I didn't see anyone say they would make the cut, only that they advocated it. I personally might not make the cut, but then again I'm single, 40 yrs old and I adopted my two children so... maybe I'm not the perfect example for your statement.
I had post today. Slash's CSS mangled it. Then the page expired. The best part is that it wasn't even a troll! :)
Anyhow the short version is that the skiddies will find away around anything to get the income from installing this crap. Bundle the package with something else.. other pukeware--yes it's already being done-- then install THAT via ActiveX and the deed is done. 180 gets to be happy because they were installed via a bundler; and the pimply faced weasel gets to feel proud for putting one over on gramma AND 180 solutions.
yay.
I've always liked "Court Magician"
By suing the clerk for assault and child abuse, naming the owner of the music store as co-defendant; then taking over ownership of the chain.. and joining the RIAA... oh damn, now they're one of THEM! AHHHGH!
except they're not taking away her child. Just suing her. Big difference there too. However I agree with the balance of your post and would like nothing more than to see RIAA collapse under it's own weight.
It would actually be nice to see some of these artists stop working with RIAA affiliated houses and decry their actions often and in public.
"Hi! I'm Mick Jaggar and I want to remind you that the RIAA sued a 14 yr old girl. That sucks and I think you should tell them that--a lot--need their 800 number?"
the microsoft developer newsgroups are usually pretty good. Yes, they do put out with a lot of the "we know it's a bug" stuff; but they also come across with at least some reasonable workarounds. Maybe part of that is because the developers are (somewhat) participating in the microsoft hosted newsgroups and as you said, they do have their image to protect; as well as the company's.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming either model (completely) just covering part of what makes who I view as average developers leave the fold.
I'm almost positive I'll be moderated 'troll' again, and of course given my posting history you can see that I obviously troll daily *smile* I guess a project developer got mod points today.... anyhow--
I agree that there is no perfect environment. If there were, anyone would be a developer. On the other hand, Microsoft has generally been helpful and reasonably informative whenever I've posted questions to their newsgroups. Posting a question to an Open Source project forum, newsgroup or whatever many times (note I did not say always) leads to an openly hostile and arrogant attitude that drives many developers away.
This is true, but which version of Qt? will it break anything else on my system that uses any of the other multitudes of versions of Qt?
Personally, I don't develop for linux because I can't be sure of the target system. It's not like the Open Source community of developers have never "depreciated" anything before, or broke it, or made something that used to work *not* work because they felt it was better to do it a different way. Of course if you question that wisdom you're essentially told to fuck off. It's their sandbox and they'll be the first one to tell you that if you don't like something fix it yourself. Additionally once you've done that job, and fixed it yourself they want you to come crawling back to them with your tail between your legs wimpering, and uploading the patches at the same time.
For me, the GPL isn't hindering development, it's the other developers.
I like ejection seats in the passenger compartment. On a long flight, the terrorist has to sit down sometime, the pilot presses that seat's 'code' from his console and *whap* terrorist gets his head splatted into the roof(?). Sure, that might only work once or twice, but after that the terrorists have to start wondering what might be up next. A bit of uncertainty is generally a good thing.
Why is that so important? Why is being tested such a big deal and it seems to me that it's not something that any webmaster has to allow.
What's the deal with people thinking that something is owed to them just because a daemon sets a port to listen?
as a non-citizen why should the US do anything at all to protect you? Seriously! What has Singapore done to protect ME? How about France? Italy? I'm willing to bet they don't even know I exist.
Even as an invisible non-entity such as "non-citizen" these same countries aren't going to do diddly squat to protect me unless I'm physically on their soil or under their political control.
Why do people think the world owes them protection? You owe it to yourself to look out for yourself and those you love.
you apparently didn't read the whole post. I also stated quite blatently that most other distributions couldn't handle it either, and FC4 would only handle this box if it did all the disk partitioning itself from totally blank drives.
I'm not afraid to post with my account. Karma means nothing to me.
Well with that startling endorsement from an AC, I've decided that I'll take the rest of the day off work, run right home and install Ubuntu on everything I own, including the toaster.
/boot?)
wtf?
I attempted to install ubuntu on one of my old Quad PIII Xeon Proliant servers. It got totally confused on how to deal with 13 SCSI drives, some of which are software RAID 5, some on a RAID controller, and some logical volumes. The poor thing never got itself going after the first reboot.
To it's credit, neither did Debian. Suse made it, but as soon as the auto-updates ran through it died. (who at Suse thought up the idea of updating the kernel and removing the old kernel from
Further, even RH/FC4 couldn't get this thing to boot unless I let it have it's way with the drives after a complete System Erase.
Granted, This box is wierd and not the average mainstream machine; but it was a very common server, and even today a Quad PIII Xeon with a gig of RAM is nothing to sneeze at. Any distribution should be fairly happy to live in such an environment. (at least in my opinion)
wouldn't that be a lithp?
As much as this is a repeated troll, and definitely meant to stir up trouble, try to look beyond what the poster is trying to do and really look at the content.
YES! linux is difficult for the average user to install software. YES! It's difficult to troubleshoot, and YES! It's user interface isn't intuitive to anyone that isn't familiar with linux in the first place.
What the poster is saying is truly valid, how he's saying it is dumb.
Remember, Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my Uncle Jack off his horse." and "I had to help my Uncle jack off his horse."
Please present your credentials and prior performance in identifying babbling idiots. Until such time I cannot take your statement in good faith.
Windows doesn't have a menu editor? When did that disappear? Try a right click on the task bar, and go to the "Advanced" tab (this works in windows 2k btw) you'll see a whole part in there about customizing, adding to and removing stuff from the start menu. Of course that's too easy and probably doesn't lend itself to slamming microsoft so I digress.
/usr filesystem is bullcrap.
Anyhow, my complaint with Gnome isn't so much that this stuff can't be done, but how convoluted it is to do it. Typing applications:/// in Nautilus, or digging around for some buried functionality or looking for the menus in the
Customizing your menu to add applications that you use, and remove applications that you don't is basic functionality for pretty much any desktop. Not having that capability right off the get-go is a big black mark for any desktop environment. That Gnome had it and removed it tells me that the person who used to swing the clue stick on the dev team has gone someplace else--and took the menu editor with him (or her)
I would love a Sun Type 5 keyboard on my PC, but I haven't found a decent way to make on work without spending 100$
This is what I use for a keyboard and I love it. It just works.
Maybe the concept should be that you can have your 113 button or whatever mouse and call it a "gamer's mouse."
I on the other hand would like to be able to find a mouse that has 2-4 buttons, a wheelie bobber that actually has indents (I hate that smooth scroll wheel) and to be honest? I've never once rammed my mouse wheel to the left or right to horizontally scroll. Maybe it's just me. I'm one of those crazy computer users that find more of a use for the letters on the keyboard and the computer actually crunching numbers and processing data (financial or otherwise).
There's inappropriate times for penis jokes?
wow. no wonder everyone was so mad at the funeral.
or they don't get the concept and just keep crying. Much like the folks that use $ instead of S... maybe they figure it's so cool everyone was speechless.
Personally I was cheering the guy on.
Would you like some cheese with that?
In all seriousness though, you do have some good points about MS opening up at least the formats their software uses to allow for interoperability. On the other hand, it's not Microsoft's problem when it comes down to something a Linux desktop can or can't do. You said that you were tired of the burden being on Linux all the time. Well yeah, that's true. It is up to the underdog to conform with the pack. A car manufacturer has to make cars that pretty much look and work like everyone elses, If I made keyboards and decided to put the space bar smack in the middle of the thing, and paint it dayglo green, I probably wouldn't have many customers (over the age of 14).
Conformity in the marketplace is the way it works. Linux is *not* the old timer here. It may be using insanely old technology that has been brought up to par with todays technology, but Linux is relatively new. It doesn't have the market share to command a standard or conformity.
Hell even Apple didn't have that kinda clout or we'd be looking at a ] prompt instead of C:\>
In the late 70's to early 80's damn near every wide eyed child was sitting in school staring at a cute little Apple ][ or clone. They had penetration, but IBM swept in with the original PC and turned the whole [educational] computing world upside down almost overnight. That put familiarity on the side of IBM, and once you have familiarity with your product (do you call them Band-aids or adhesive strips?) you can command conformity until somebody else makes a bigger splash. If Linux wants to stop bearing the burden, it needs to pull off one great big belly whopper and hit the deep end of the pool. I look forward to the day that happens too! Don't be surprised to see MS trying to rapidly drain the pool though.