You'd be surprised. We have relious people of all types, people who buy "rolex watches", the people hwo live outside of manhattan or the downtown areas.. that's certianly not urban... we have ALL kinds.
My university's engineering college (5000 or so students IIRC, 70,000 or so in the whole university) could probably produce people from every continent, every religion, rich and poor, male and female, gay and straight, young and old, whatever. If there's a demographic out there, you can probably find a representative in that college. That does not mean that all groups are represented in the same proportion in the college of engineering as they are in the world as a whole. If that were true, the population of the world would have about five billion men and few hundred million women, Americans would number three or four billion, and all Indians and Pakistanis would be either upper-middle-class or wealthy. Oh, and we really wouldn't have any pension worries, because the vast majority of the population would be under thirty.
I rather believe my professors (plural) than your reasoning:)
As a professor-in-training, I can assure you than professors can be just as full of it as/.ers. I had a student who had learned from another professor that American Indians actually discovered Europe before the Europeans came to the Americas, and another who had been taught in a history class one of the acronymic faux etymologies for `fuck' (the `fornicate under consent of the king' version IIRC). Getting your Ph.D. doesn't (unfortunately) always make you immune to being taken by urban legends or to just making things up to make your lectures more interesting.
If you're going to claim to be a Linux specialist, you should have experience running Linux on a non-x86 architecture. You enter a whole different world when you run Linux on powerpc, and take a lot less for granted. While I've not done it, I'm sure going mips or 68k really makes you learn a lot.
Just because you can copy commands off of a web site does not not make a difference. Putting together a LFS system is very easy given the instructions provided.
No, but LFS (at least when I built mine -- I haven't been keeping up with it) didn't include X or any apps -- so if you wind up with a fully-functional modern workstation at the end, with a good window manager, browser (Moz & Galeon), CD ripping and burning, teTeX, and all the stuff that normally comes with a distro, you have done something.
I don't claim to be a Linux expert, but I sure as hell knew a whole lot more about Linux after getting my LFS system to be a useable primary workstation than I didn before.
Communist China conservative? What about the Cultural Revolution?
Would that be the same cultural revolution where they shut down the universities and shot all the hippy-pinko professors?
What happened to 'no enemies on the left'?
This was the rallying cry of the united fronts of the 1930s trying desperately to stop the spread of Nazism and fascism in Europe. When the most immediate threat to your freedom comes from brownshirts, an alliance with the extreme left is quite prudent.
The sad fact is that Stalin's lamentable ``Social Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of Fascism'' divided the anti-fascists so much that there was nobody to stop Hitler until it was too late.
In Berlin in 1933, from any standpoint not alien to modern American norms of morality, there were no enemies to the left.
Communism is the most extreme manifestation of loony leftism. They are your ideological cousins, and it is you leftist twits who should be ashamed of your history of making excuses for their wickedness.
To suggest that somehow the post-Maoist state capitalism practiced in PRC now is somehow the same thing as Bolshevism, much less the same as Marxism or Catalan-style anarcho-syndicalism, is simply hallucinatory. One might assert with equal validity that Social Catholicism, white separatism, extreme laissez-faire capitalism (a.k.a. pure `liberalism' in the true sense of the word), English Conservatism, and Falangism are all the same thing. And only Stalin would say that.
Unfortunately, I don't remember ever seeing a three-button mouse on a non-Unix system, so I think it's fair to evaluate the user interface based on the far more common two-button arrangement.
The reason you don't find many three-button mice out there is that the wheel on the MS `IntelliMouse' and similar mice is the third button. You'd be hard pressed to find a new PC sold without a wheel mouse. Unless you're talking about truly antiquated hardware (my 1999 Dell came with an IntelliMouse), three buttons is pretty standard.
Wow, I always thought there was a majority of True Americans on/. and now you tell me all these poorly spelled posts are from some european bastards ?
Indeed, some of the bad English in fact does come from people for whom it is their second or third language. Unfortunately it is the minority I fear...
The problem is that the word `moral' has been hijacked by the extreme right and the fundamentalists. The French used to talk about republican `virtue' (I assume early American republicans did too) -- you could use the word `morals' in a similar way to refer to a sense of right and wrong in civic terms, not religious. Unfortunately, when most people in this country talk about morals they are obsessed with sex and making sure nobody has it or enjoys it. Strangely enough, though, when a man steals millions of dollars from his employees not a peep about morality is heard.
Social justice is a moral obligation; with whom I choose to enjoy physical intimacy and how has nothing to do with morality. Don't let the fundies abuse the concept of morality, but don't say that morality has no place in political discourse.
I'm not anti-American, but sometimes this kind of rhetoric makes me really nervous.
I'm American and this kind of rhetoric makes me really nervous -- as does being told, for example, people who think like me (i.e., internationalist and pacifist) should be shot. The ultra-nationalists are no less scary seen from up close.
You justified hostility toward people who look Middle Eastern on the basis that (quoting #6068799)
``most of them share a religion'' which you dislike. The fallacy is yours; I was merely attempting to illustrate its absurdity.
As reprehensible as I find bigotry directed against a man because of the actions of some of his coreligionists (Giovanni is evil because he is Catholic, just like the Omagh bombers), the assumption that all Middle-Eastern-looking men -- tens of millions of whom are Christian, Jewish, Druze, Zoroastrian, Baha'i, Sikh, atheist, etc. -- somehow bear some guilt for the actions of eleven men is evil.
Certainly, they have some fear of people of middle-Eastern descent, but you can't really begrudge them that, due to the current state of things.
OTOH, if I happen to look a bit like the people being dragged off the street and held without trial in the U.S. right now, I can't be begrudged being a little mistrustful of statements like that, right?
BTW, it only took one idiot cowboy to kill Balbir Singh Sodhi in Mesa, Arizona, because he also looked sort of Middle Eastern...
<<as it isn't the customary way we in the US do business.>>
What do you call Lobbying? Donations? Political Action Committee?
stanman is presumably confused by the subtlety of the US system. US officials don't often come right out in the open and demand bribes, but the difference is more that US practices are more subtle and less direct than that there is any real difference in substance.
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scripsit sydb:
Ja, I didn't realize I was replying to an AC...
scripsit i.r.id10t:
Easy -- uninstall your Flash plugin. You won't miss anything worth seeing.
My university's engineering college (5000 or so students IIRC, 70,000 or so in the whole university) could probably produce people from every continent, every religion, rich and poor, male and female, gay and straight, young and old, whatever. If there's a demographic out there, you can probably find a representative in that college. That does not mean that all groups are represented in the same proportion in the college of engineering as they are in the world as a whole. If that were true, the population of the world would have about five billion men and few hundred million women, Americans would number three or four billion, and all Indians and Pakistanis would be either upper-middle-class or wealthy. Oh, and we really wouldn't have any pension worries, because the vast majority of the population would be under thirty.
As a professor-in-training, I can assure you than professors can be just as full of it as /.ers. I had a student who had learned from another professor that American Indians actually discovered Europe before the Europeans came to the Americas, and another who had been taught in a history class one of the acronymic faux etymologies for `fuck' (the `fornicate under consent of the king' version IIRC). Getting your Ph.D. doesn't (unfortunately) always make you immune to being taken by urban legends or to just making things up to make your lectures more interesting.
scripsit fluor2:
No kidding... They're all a bunch of wusses.
Real men just use ed.
If you're going to claim to be a Linux specialist, you should have experience running Linux on a non-x86 architecture. You enter a whole different world when you run Linux on powerpc, and take a lot less for granted. While I've not done it, I'm sure going mips or 68k really makes you learn a lot.
scripsit pstreck:
No, but LFS (at least when I built mine -- I haven't been keeping up with it) didn't include X or any apps -- so if you wind up with a fully-functional modern workstation at the end, with a good window manager, browser (Moz & Galeon), CD ripping and burning, teTeX, and all the stuff that normally comes with a distro, you have done something.
I don't claim to be a Linux expert, but I sure as hell knew a whole lot more about Linux after getting my LFS system to be a useable primary workstation than I didn before.
scripsit Dasein:
Ja, there's nothing quite so embarassing as hearing someone claim to be a `Line-iks' expert...
...well, maybe having someone send videotape of your bachelor party to both the priest and your mother-in-law, but this would be a close second.
scripsit an AC, quoting the story:
What is with the suit need to add superfluous syllables to words? Hmm... `competence' is only three syllables; `competency' must be 33.3% better!
Is this something they teach in business school?
Um, yes, well, I think that was the joke.
I hope.
Um, should I be worried about the UNISYS logo in the lower-left side? They're not exactly known as great friends of free software... What gives?
MS didn't happen to make any significant donations to your computer science department, did they?
Would that be the same cultural revolution where they shut down the universities and shot all the hippy-pinko professors?
This was the rallying cry of the united fronts of the 1930s trying desperately to stop the spread of Nazism and fascism in Europe. When the most immediate threat to your freedom comes from brownshirts, an alliance with the extreme left is quite prudent.
The sad fact is that Stalin's lamentable ``Social Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of Fascism'' divided the anti-fascists so much that there was nobody to stop Hitler until it was too late.
In Berlin in 1933, from any standpoint not alien to modern American norms of morality, there were no enemies to the left.
To suggest that somehow the post-Maoist state capitalism practiced in PRC now is somehow the same thing as Bolshevism, much less the same as Marxism or Catalan-style anarcho-syndicalism, is simply hallucinatory. One might assert with equal validity that Social Catholicism, white separatism, extreme laissez-faire capitalism (a.k.a. pure `liberalism' in the true sense of the word), English Conservatism, and Falangism are all the same thing. And only Stalin would say that.
scripsit daviddennis:
The reason you don't find many three-button mice out there is that the wheel on the MS `IntelliMouse' and similar mice is the third button. You'd be hard pressed to find a new PC sold without a wheel mouse. Unless you're talking about truly antiquated hardware (my 1999 Dell came with an IntelliMouse), three buttons is pretty standard.
scripsit treat:
Probably because the RFP says `a Windows NT operating system'...
scripsit demaria:
I don't think so... I'm not sure what I would do with a `r00ted' Windows box if it were given to me; why expend effort on it?
scripsit BESTouff:
Indeed, some of the bad English in fact does come from people for whom it is their second or third language. Unfortunately it is the minority I fear...
scripsit The Only Druid:
Bourgeois democracy is merely the tyranny of the rich.
Better?
(The first one wasn't me, BTW -- I never post as AC)
scripsit ReTay:
The problem is that the word `moral' has been hijacked by the extreme right and the fundamentalists. The French used to talk about republican `virtue' (I assume early American republicans did too) -- you could use the word `morals' in a similar way to refer to a sense of right and wrong in civic terms, not religious. Unfortunately, when most people in this country talk about morals they are obsessed with sex and making sure nobody has it or enjoys it. Strangely enough, though, when a man steals millions of dollars from his employees not a peep about morality is heard.
Social justice is a moral obligation; with whom I choose to enjoy physical intimacy and how has nothing to do with morality. Don't let the fundies abuse the concept of morality, but don't say that morality has no place in political discourse.
scripsit Rxke:
I'm American and this kind of rhetoric makes me really nervous -- as does being told, for example, people who think like me (i.e., internationalist and pacifist) should be shot. The ultra-nationalists are no less scary seen from up close.
scripsit Dr. Evil:
You know, I really hope no one ever demonstrates the effectiveness of a last-strike deterrent.
scripsit dvk:
You justified hostility toward people who look Middle Eastern on the basis that (quoting #6068799) ``most of them share a religion'' which you dislike. The fallacy is yours; I was merely attempting to illustrate its absurdity.
As reprehensible as I find bigotry directed against a man because of the actions of some of his coreligionists (Giovanni is evil because he is Catholic, just like the Omagh bombers), the assumption that all Middle-Eastern-looking men -- tens of millions of whom are Christian, Jewish, Druze, Zoroastrian, Baha'i, Sikh, atheist, etc. -- somehow bear some guilt for the actions of eleven men is evil.
scripsit dvk:
Well then it's a good thing Muslims are so conveniently colored so that you can tell them just by looking...
Oh, wait... What do you mean his name was Mordechai Levy?
scripsit tfoss:
Yeah, well, I wasn't going to go there. Palestine/Israel, tabs/spaces, vi/emacs -- there are certain issues you just learn to stay away from...
scripsit Trevalyx:
OTOH, if I happen to look a bit like the people being dragged off the street and held without trial in the U.S. right now, I can't be begrudged being a little mistrustful of statements like that, right?
BTW, it only took one idiot cowboy to kill Balbir Singh Sodhi in Mesa, Arizona, because he also looked sort of Middle Eastern...
scripsit saden1:
stanman is presumably confused by the subtlety of the US system. US officials don't often come right out in the open and demand bribes, but the difference is more that US practices are more subtle and less direct than that there is any real difference in substance.