f the egg came first, then clearly the chicken came from evolution (an animal like a chicken laid an egg that then became a chicken). However, if the chicken came first (scientifically impossible) then it was because made the chicken suddenly appear on the planet.
uhm.... no...
'Put simply, the reason [that the egg must have come first] is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.
God creates chicken.
Chicken lays egg.
The chicken's genetic material does not change.
Their argument is within the framework of an evolutionary worldview.
You don't pay more for a non-provider-provided phone [...] spend the $200 extra for an unlocked phone.
Am I supposed to not see a contradiction here?
the parent poster was talking about the fact that you don't pay more for a contract whether you supply the phone or whether you buy the phone from the provider.
So, no, there isn't a contradiction, but the wording is tricky...
As to the rest of it,
Where is this "open market" you speak of? Does it have a store in Fort Wayne, Indiana? If you mean online, what close substitute is there for inspecting a phone in person before I purchase it?
I don't think there is an aspect of a free or regulated market that guarantees that you can see all merchandise before buying it. People in certain locations have always had to depend on mail order and that's just a part of life...
We're arguing over inconsequential points. I don't think you're wrong about most of what you're saying. Either I'm not making myself clear (a common occurence), or something. The point I was trying to make isn't as specific as I think you are taking it.
FYI a "dirty bomb"'s impact is mostly psychological.
And this will limit the Federal government's ability to do what they want in what way?
9/11 was mostly psychological. 3000+/- people died and look at what was done in response. You let the media get hold of a "dirty bomb" detonation. I guarantee you that the last thing they will do is point people to the howstuffworks page...
1 nuclear bomb or "dirty bomb" or something similar in any American city of over 5,000 people and "they" will have all the excuse and leverage "they" need to do anything like that.
Add to that the fact that the State Dept has rated the odds of such an event occuring within the next 10 years to be 100% and you've got yourself something nice and scary to think about.
In other news, in preparation for the possibility of mass exodus from Microsoft products, Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft and long time aerobics enthususiast, has commissioned a secret project codenamed the "Chair Launcher 3000". According to highly sensitive information that was leaked to us by an individual known only as "Dark Ottoman", the "Chair Launcher 3000" will combine real-time satellite imagery with a state-of-the-art targeting system making it capable of executing high-precision long-range chair-based attacks. To be more specific, you could be walking out of your local Apple store with you shiny new Macintosh in your arms, a smile stretched across your unsuspecting face, only to find yourself, moments later, crushed by a Windsor or an Adirondack dropped from a clear blue sky. On an even more ominous note, shortly after providing us with this classified information, "Dark Ottoman" broke contact and vanished without a trace. While we are not sure of his fate, several days later an as yet unidentified Seattle man was found dead in a Best Buy parking lot, killed by a barrage of wicker chairs from the heavens. Steve Ballmer was unavailable for comment.
-- Was it the sheep climbing onto the altar, or the cattle lowing to be slain, or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.
Just pre-order the Phantom Game Console and you're automatically pre-ordered for Duke Nukem Forever, or you can sign up the most exciting magazine never to hit the stands, Vaporware Monthly, every month VM pushes back the deadline for what will be the most spectacular magazine launch in history. Each soon to be published issue is expected to be packaged with a virtual Blue Ray disc potentially containing the full version of thousands of super-exciting games that will never be released. Additionally, a mustn't miss feature of each issue is Shrodinger's SoapBox, a visionary look at the state of next year's vaporware. Subscribe Now!!!
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The one thing that I really, really like about 30boxes is that you can set tags on events and specify permission to people at the tag level. If Google implemented this feature, I'd seriously consider switching to it. Interface-wise, I think they have 30boxes beat (at least, day view, month view,etc)
Clippy: It looks like you are writing a state law, do you mind if I insert Microsoft-friendly boilerplate?
[User clicks no.]
Clippy: Congratulations, your document has been modified and submitted for sponsorship and ultimately passage by Microsoft-owned employees... err shills... err statesmen... Thank you for using Microsoft Word. (Also, we'll keep that private folder between you and me, ok? It'd be a shame for the attorney general to see that...) Have a nice day! You poor little sheep... HA HA HA HA HA!
Relax, I just got an email (that Thunderbird thought was a scam - you truly do get what you pay for...) with a link in it that automatically downloaded me a new processor (Pentium6 baby)...
I ran it, and now my computer is "resting" for a few days.
Take that Loic Duflot
(if you want the link, just let me know, and when I boot up my new 6, I'll send it to you)
The project, called "Deep Orbital Water Sensing Emitter" or DOWSE, is NASA's most ambitious project in years. Current plans call for the capital-Y-shaped vessel to be finished and ready for launch in early 2007 and while the execution may be complex, the basic idea is simple. Engines in the craft's stems will propel it toward the moon, while the actual navigational commands will be issued from the hollow body of the vessel. "What will be in that half-mile long tude issuing these complex water-seeking commands," you ask? As much of the US's growing psychic population as NASA can cram in, comes the almost predictable answer. And while the psychics will certainly be killed on lunar impact, NASA feels that this will more than offset the cost of what is almost certain to be a failed mission.
So I guess the Google guys don't want to miss any opporunity and probably have a soft spot for these college students for when they were in the same place.
Or even if you just want to be cynical about it, they might just be trying to keep legitimate competition from springing up, just like they did. Good job either way...
-- Was it the sheep climbing onto the altar, or the cattle lowing to be slain, or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.
In other news, Diebold President Dewey Cheatum stated that $40,000 to "reload the voting pattern" was perfectly reasonable. "It's why it's called 'buying elections'," he said to a group of startled reporters, "if it was free, anybody could do it." When asked whether Diebold would consider printing receipts for each vote so that there would be some sort of paper trail Mr. Cheatum replied, "Heck, why we don't just go one step further: skip the whole going out to the polls, and we'll just mail people a notice telling them who they voted for." At this point in the interview, Mr Cheatum began responding to all questions with vigorous wedgies and obscene gestures.
If you choose to go to a website, that's your choice. If they have a beowulf cluster with more bandwidth than God, with 100 live video feeds 24/7 for one candidate - you're choosing to go there, and it's not intruding on you. I don't care how they raised the money for it. IMHO, it's like visiting a campaign headquarters. That's public information.
If you choose to watch television, that's your choice. If they have constant commercials with constant feeds for one candidate, you're choosing to go there, and it's not intruding on you. I don't care how they raised the money for it. IMHO it's like visiting a campaign headquarters. That's free speech.
For the purposes of your argument, there is no material difference between the internet and television.
I'd be tempted to get excited about this, if they would simply add "cell phone", "refrigerator", and "automobile" to the list of things this product kills. That's the kind of hype I could actually get behind!!!
If by this, you mean that I can't change the world by wishing, I'll agree with you. If though, you mean that facts are not subject to perception (and are not byproducts of its very processes), you are fooling yourself and that's a fact (though it may be one that I'm not entitled to)
Furthermore, what you state is only true if there is such a thing as Absolute Truth (for the record, I think there is - but Absolute Truth is tricky, because it won't just live in the world of numbers and formulae, it will affect everything.) But even if there is such a thing as Absolute Truth, everybody in the world still has their very own set of facts. They started compiling them the moment they were conceived and they will keep on, at least up until the moment they die (maybe longer).
The way I see it, the problem is that people seem to think that scientists are a special breed of people who are trained to only see things the way they actually are. And journalists are unbiased.
Everything gets filtered or shaded or whatever you want to call it. Everything. Noone has an unbiased thought at any moment in their lives.
Whether or not human activity is substantially changing climate, for instance, is not a speculative matter. Its truth or falsehood is established science.
It is nothing but speculative. If by, "not a speculative matter", you mean that there is an answer that might be attainable at this present time in history, I might agree with that. But whether anyone has been able to perceive all of the relevant data, accurately, and then assemble it into a reasonable proof? Give me a break. The issue of whether or not we can even ask the question correctly might be speculative.
The point is that we are debating facts and not values or policies, which means that democracy is not functioning effectively.
No the point is that apart from everyone accepting the same Absolute Truth, "facts" are just as flexible as values and policies and therefore must be debated. Even the definitions of the words describing the facts must be debated. That is the whole game.
What you are trying to do is to get everyone to accept the same premises and then to argue things out. The guy who is able to walk into a room and get people to use his "facts": that guy wins.
Thanks for the discussion.
Charles Churchill Account Executive Datatek, Inc. 800 536-4835 ext. 145 1 919 425-3145 (international) churchill@datatek-net.com
It sure would be nice if people could discuss science and not politics
Science and politics are both shaped by a individual's worldview. The problem with your statement isn't so much that you've devalued politics, it's that you've overvalued science.
You know, the thing you need to keep in mind is this. The Republican and the Democrats won't tell you what they really believe, primarily because they don't believe in anything in particular except staying in power. Look at the last election. Look at the last 10 elections. Do you really think the people in power are the type of people that should be in power. Say what you will about the Constitution party, but these guys believe that men are nothing more than the oaths we make and keep, they believe that the government should be bound by the Constitution that created it and they believe that if you want to change the laws of the land, you should have to go through the process of changing them and not just pretend they don't exist. Those are the kind of people I want running my country and my state. Those are the kind of people that I want in office. To some extent, I could care less how much I agreed with them in practice, the value of a man who will keep his word is infinite compared to a man who will tell you what you want to hear and then do what is politically expedient.
Thanks for your response.
Charles Churchill Account Executive Datatek, Inc. 800 536-4835 ext. 145 1 919 425-3145 (international) churchill@datatek-net.com
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uhm.... no...
'Put simply, the reason [that the egg must have come first] is down to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life.
Their argument is within the framework of an evolutionary worldview.
I can just see Microsoft's new slogan for Office 12:
"Microsoft, saving your life, one microsecond at a time..."
Here is the contact page for the State Bar of Ohio and here is the same for the State Bar of Washington.
You may want to drop them an email or make a phone call and see if they are looking into this.
Information wants to be free, and you let it! thanks!
Please stop anthropomorphizing information. It doesn't like it when you do that...
I remember this from when it didn't make it on digg....
I think I read this on digg yesterday...
You don't pay more for a non-provider-provided phone [...] spend the $200 extra for an unlocked phone.
Am I supposed to not see a contradiction here?
the parent poster was talking about the fact that you don't pay more for a contract whether you supply the phone or whether you buy the phone from the provider.
So, no, there isn't a contradiction, but the wording is tricky...
As to the rest of it,
Where is this "open market" you speak of? Does it have a store in Fort Wayne, Indiana? If you mean online, what close substitute is there for inspecting a phone in person before I purchase it?
I don't think there is an aspect of a free or regulated market that guarantees that you can see all merchandise before buying it. People in certain locations have always had to depend on mail order and that's just a part of life...
We're arguing over inconsequential points. I don't think you're wrong about most of what you're saying. Either I'm not making myself clear (a common occurence), or something. The point I was trying to make isn't as specific as I think you are taking it.
Have a good evening.
FYI a "dirty bomb"'s impact is mostly psychological.
And this will limit the Federal government's ability to do what they want in what way?
9/11 was mostly psychological. 3000+/- people died and look at what was done in response. You let the media get hold of a "dirty bomb" detonation. I guarantee you that the last thing they will do is point people to the howstuffworks page...
1 nuclear bomb or "dirty bomb" or something similar in any American city of over 5,000 people and "they" will have all the excuse and leverage "they" need to do anything like that.
Add to that the fact that the State Dept has rated the odds of such an event occuring within the next 10 years to be 100% and you've got yourself something nice and scary to think about.
It would make as much sense as buying out Amiga.
Hey, you should read Dvorak's column tomorrow...
In other news, in preparation for the possibility of mass exodus from Microsoft products, Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft and long time aerobics enthususiast, has commissioned a secret project codenamed the "Chair Launcher 3000".
According to highly sensitive information that was leaked to us by an individual known only as "Dark Ottoman", the "Chair Launcher 3000" will combine real-time satellite imagery with a state-of-the-art targeting system making it capable of executing high-precision long-range chair-based attacks. To be more specific, you could be walking out of your local Apple store with you shiny new Macintosh in your arms, a smile stretched across your unsuspecting face, only to find yourself, moments later, crushed by a Windsor or an Adirondack dropped from a clear blue sky.
On an even more ominous note, shortly after providing us with this classified information, "Dark Ottoman" broke contact and vanished without a trace. While we are not sure of his fate, several days later an as yet unidentified Seattle man was found dead in a Best Buy parking lot, killed by a barrage of wicker chairs from the heavens. Steve Ballmer was unavailable for comment.
--
Was it the sheep climbing onto the altar, or the cattle lowing to be slain,
or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.
Just pre-order the Phantom Game Console and you're automatically pre-ordered for Duke Nukem Forever, or you can sign up the most exciting magazine never to hit the stands, Vaporware Monthly, every month VM pushes back the deadline for what will be the most spectacular magazine launch in history. Each soon to be published issue is expected to be packaged with a virtual Blue Ray disc potentially containing the full version of thousands of super-exciting games that will never be released. Additionally, a mustn't miss feature of each issue is Shrodinger's SoapBox, a visionary look at the state of next year's vaporware. Subscribe Now!!!
The one thing that I really, really like about 30boxes is that you can set tags on events and specify permission to people at the tag level. If Google implemented this feature, I'd seriously consider switching to it. Interface-wise, I think they have 30boxes beat (at least, day view, month view,etc)
Just my 2 cents...
Clippy: It looks like you are writing a state law, do you mind if I insert Microsoft-friendly boilerplate?
[User clicks no.]
Clippy: Congratulations, your document has been modified and submitted for sponsorship and ultimately passage by Microsoft-owned employees... err shills... err statesmen... Thank you for using Microsoft Word. (Also, we'll keep that private folder between you and me, ok? It'd be a shame for the attorney general to see that...) Have a nice day! You poor little sheep... HA HA HA HA HA!
Relax, I just got an email (that Thunderbird thought was a scam - you truly do get what you pay for...) with a link in it that automatically downloaded me a new processor (Pentium6 baby)...
I ran it, and now my computer is "resting" for a few days.
Take that Loic Duflot
(if you want the link, just let me know, and when I boot up my new 6, I'll send it to you)
--
I just put some lightnin' in my Dell
The project, called "Deep Orbital Water Sensing Emitter" or DOWSE, is NASA's most ambitious project in years. Current plans call for the capital-Y-shaped vessel to be finished and ready for launch in early 2007 and while the execution may be complex, the basic idea is simple. Engines in the craft's stems will propel it toward the moon, while the actual navigational commands will be issued from the hollow body of the vessel. "What will be in that half-mile long tude issuing these complex water-seeking commands," you ask? As much of the US's growing psychic population as NASA can cram in, comes the almost predictable answer. And while the psychics will certainly be killed on lunar impact, NASA feels that this will more than offset the cost of what is almost certain to be a failed mission.
So I guess the Google guys don't want to miss any opporunity and probably have a soft spot for these college students for when they were in the same place.
Or even if you just want to be cynical about it, they might just be trying to keep legitimate competition from springing up, just like they did. Good job either way...
--
Was it the sheep climbing onto the altar, or the cattle lowing to be slain,
or the Son of God hanging dead and bloodied on a cross that told me this was a world condemned, but loved and bought with blood.
In other news, Diebold President Dewey Cheatum stated that $40,000 to "reload the voting pattern" was perfectly reasonable. "It's why it's called 'buying elections'," he said to a group of startled reporters, "if it was free, anybody could do it." When asked whether Diebold would consider printing receipts for each vote so that there would be some sort of paper trail Mr. Cheatum replied, "Heck, why we don't just go one step further: skip the whole going out to the polls, and we'll just mail people a notice telling them who they voted for." At this point in the interview, Mr Cheatum began responding to all questions with vigorous wedgies and obscene gestures.
If you choose to go to a website, that's your choice. If they have a beowulf cluster with more bandwidth than God, with 100 live video feeds 24/7 for one candidate - you're choosing to go there, and it's not intruding on you. I don't care how they raised the money for it. IMHO, it's like visiting a campaign headquarters. That's public information.
If you choose to watch television, that's your choice. If they have constant commercials with constant feeds for one candidate, you're choosing to go there, and it's not intruding on you. I don't care how they raised the money for it. IMHO it's like visiting a campaign headquarters. That's free speech.
For the purposes of your argument, there is no material difference between the internet and television.
Microsoft is developing a PSP/DS/GBA/iPod-killer
I'd be tempted to get excited about this, if they would simply add "cell phone", "refrigerator", and "automobile" to the list of things this product kills.
That's the kind of hype I could actually get behind!!!
nobody is entitled to their own facts
If by this, you mean that I can't change the world by wishing, I'll agree with you. If though, you mean that facts are not subject to perception (and are not byproducts of its very processes), you are fooling yourself and that's a fact (though it may be one that I'm not entitled to)
Furthermore, what you state is only true if there is such a thing as Absolute Truth (for the record, I think there is - but Absolute Truth is tricky, because it won't just live in the world of numbers and formulae, it will affect everything.) But even if there is such a thing as Absolute Truth, everybody in the world still has their very own set of facts. They started compiling them the moment they were conceived and they will keep on, at least up until the moment they die (maybe longer).
The way I see it, the problem is that people seem to think that scientists are a special breed of people who are trained to only see things the way they actually are. And journalists are unbiased.
Everything gets filtered or shaded or whatever you want to call it. Everything. Noone has an unbiased thought at any moment in their lives.
Whether or not human activity is substantially changing climate, for instance, is not a speculative matter. Its truth or falsehood is established science.
It is nothing but speculative. If by, "not a speculative matter", you mean that there is an answer that might be attainable at this present time in history, I might agree with that. But whether anyone has been able to perceive all of the relevant data, accurately, and then assemble it into a reasonable proof? Give me a break. The issue of whether or not we can even ask the question correctly might be speculative.
The point is that we are debating facts and not values or policies, which means that democracy is not functioning effectively.
No the point is that apart from everyone accepting the same Absolute Truth, "facts" are just as flexible as values and policies and therefore must be debated. Even the definitions of the words describing the facts must be debated. That is the whole game.
What you are trying to do is to get everyone to accept the same premises and then to argue things out. The guy who is able to walk into a room and get people to use his "facts": that guy wins.
Thanks for the discussion.
Charles Churchill
Account Executive
Datatek, Inc.
800 536-4835 ext. 145
1 919 425-3145 (international)
churchill@datatek-net.com
It sure would be nice if people could discuss science and not politics
Science and politics are both shaped by a individual's worldview. The problem with your statement isn't so much that you've devalued politics, it's that you've overvalued science.
Seems like there should be a joke that I could make about Google Base... and how everything will belong to them...
Google: All the retail is ours.... No that's not right...
Something really obvious...
Google: We own you... No...
Oh well. Maybe someone can set me up the joke...
No? OK....
You know, the thing you need to keep in mind is this. The Republican and the Democrats won't tell you what they really believe, primarily because they don't believe in anything in particular except staying in power. Look at the last election. Look at the last 10 elections. Do you really think the people in power are the type of people that should be in power. Say what you will about the Constitution party, but these guys believe that men are nothing more than the oaths we make and keep, they believe that the government should be bound by the Constitution that created it and they believe that if you want to change the laws of the land, you should have to go through the process of changing them and not just pretend they don't exist. Those are the kind of people I want running my country and my state. Those are the kind of people that I want in office. To some extent, I could care less how much I agreed with them in practice, the value of a man who will keep his word is infinite compared to a man who will tell you what you want to hear and then do what is politically expedient.
Thanks for your response.
Charles Churchill
Account Executive
Datatek, Inc.
800 536-4835 ext. 145
1 919 425-3145 (international)
churchill@datatek-net.com