So, following basic logic, we find out that if you have nothing to hide, you can not have privacy. Therefore your wish for privacy is just another unbfulfillable dream, if you have nothing to hide.
Then again, as it is said before, this is not directly about not getting spam, but how to stop _sending_ spam.
But returning to your "eloquent" way of "protecting" your email addy, it is sadly antique in these days when mail forwarding servers (like sobig-XXX) collect adresses and forward them to sp4mh0sts. Et Cetera. As long as you send mail, your address can be collected. Period.
Only real solution for getting no spam, lies within ISP's and mail service providers. If no spam is send, and all spam-nets are restricted from mail then no spam goes to my, or your inbox.
An intresting widget for a mail reader would be a "spam button". It deletes the spam, blacklists the spammer, and sends an error message to the spammer... Like the one you get when there is no address with that name.
Are there any mailreaders with thatkind of widget?
There are ads that are based on very idea of anti-coolness or repulsivenes. Like old benetton ads that were there to shock people.
I find the idea of using the forementioned website as an ad figure as repulsing... but let me ask who of us does not remember the address of forementioned site.
If a product could sell even if its ads were repulsive (ie. Benetton sold clothes with pictures of shirts used by people who were violently slain), using web address named like tagline for the product with content as repulsive as in forementioned site, and using the adress as un-responsibly as the trolls here do, the campaign could yield really good results.
Some houses already capture "grey water" and use it for tasks where drinking water is not required. Obviously there's some filtering required. I've heard of other projects which are completely water self-sufficient. Yes, you end up boiling your potatoes in recycled piss!
Pretty revulsive to us today, but who knows? Maybe our grandkids will find it completely normal.
To be honest we are allready doing it. Earth is mostly a closed system. And might I say, I find it less repulsive to drink water where only I have pissed compared to the water where whole world pisses.
I have worked on 3 person company. And that never happened. So you must be talking about 2 person company, right?
But in that case, who the fsck is the sales/marketting manager... Aaah, I get it. It is the sales and marketting manager of next door neighbour two person SW shop.
Now, that sounds industrial espionage to me. And that is not nice. Did he even buy you people beers for using your code, or was it that you were wrinting free ("as in freedom") software?
Am I the only one seeing a new cold war coming to our home doors. First it is the nukes of us and NK then this article proclaims that NK has giant mecha leader and couple days later we hear that US is building a anti Kim Jong II device.
Have we gone too far? If this is what is the prime of civilization, I do not want to be part of it.
DISCLAIMER: Read the Onion article before thinking that I wrong about new cold war;-)
Basicly your body is composed of materials you have eaten. If you eat different things, your body must build itself with different materials. I hardly would call it a suprise if a clone of a white haired person is cloned and the clone turns out to be brunette, if the brunette can not gain the needed resources (titanium if I remember right.) to grow white hair.
And again, I am not suprised at all if a person who actively pursues sports and eats healthy is thin and the other who eats in McDonalds and watches tv is not, wether or not they have the same genes.
I must disagree with the notion that if culture would examine earth (and us) it would not have to be earth and us. As Culture is able to create any material or immaterial environment if it wishes so.
And on the other hand, The Feersum Endjin, can be seen or readen as what happened to earthbound men when culture evolved of spacefaring men.
Greatest thing about banks IMNHSHO is his ability to write totally of mindcrumbling complexity and still make sense (in so many ways).
Why on earth has no-one done a "wipe-it-all" linux disc distribution.
A minimum system, that has one goatse picture and ability to connect to something like news://alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.[like I know the group name].disgusting
The system asks if you are sure you want to empty your hard disk, then formats it twice (or formats, writes random seed data and formats), and writes it full of "random" images from disk and nntp host!
Happy datamining to someone intrested in your "stuff";-)
Umh, in my experience the cmyk color scheme is needed and usefull. Whereas you note that it would be only a "nothing but an industry-sponsored goof" I can not agree.
Have you ever tought that light absorbing images are composed of different colours than light emitting images?
If your brilliant screen image is "dulled down to messy tones just by the conversion to CMYK" then maybe it would be so if printed?
To quote googled source: "The read/green/blue model (RGB) is used in systems that emit light, like monitors. This is called additive color mixing, as the three colored lights red, green and blue add up to white when turned on simultaneously.
Systems that can only absorb light, like printed colors on a white paper, use the so called CMYK model, where the colors Cyan, Magenta and Yellow mixed together absorb all light thus causing a black impression. The K in CMYK stands for black, which is used in addition to the CMY, as existing colors usually do not give a perfect black, which is often a very wanted color."
source: http://www.etsimo.uniovi.es/cscene/CS9/CS9-04.html
So mister AC, maybe IHBT, but I can not see that CMYK would be useless, or unnneeded in graphics program. Not to even mention some other field specific color schemes.
I can live with missin color schemes of gimp. But the unability to freely rotate image is unbearable when scanning images.
So I have to have photoshop for that, Gimp for editing and Corel for printing. (ok, I agree the photoshop cmyk conversion does not work. Corel on the other hand is superior for color management)
Both of these are widely aivailable in europe, though it is fairly hard to pay with EC("electronic cash"), as not so many shops have needed readers for EC cards.
Why is that? Because there is no market for "credstics" or EC in consumer markets. People like to see how much money they have.
Maybe when you can get visa electron 2.0 that has lcd-on-creditcard that shows your current balance... or maybe not even then.
And you should remember that whern you use EC, all you transactions are _tracable_.
And what about Scifi view of EC-on-skin... I find that a horrible idea. An electronic tracing instrument planted on your skin.
I can understand the need for bigger banners and advertisements, as screensizes of people grow larger (banners look quite different in 640x480 than in my 1600xsomething). But to be honest, does the size of an ad matter. Ypu see I am not agains ad's. Quite contrary. I oppose only bad advertisements.
How then can a consumer affect on what kind of advertisement he gets. By feedback, boycot and most importantly by buying the products that have good advertisement campaigns. (ie. if you hate all ads buy the products that have no ads, simple). Many companies do actually react to customer feedback saying something on the lines of "I decided not to buy your peuducts, because I feel interned ads are...".
Sadly, as this sort of grasroots activity is the right answer, it is in a way a right aswer to wron problem. The problem of spam. Or in other words, the problem of stupid masses. For no matter how intelligent individuals are, is group of these people always stupid enough to fall into trap of spammers (advertisers in this case).
ps. When in net, I tend block the most common depressive ads like those of doubleclick. And of the ads I see, most effective are the small gifs that say something like "made with gimp" or similar. If a product does not need bigger advertisement, it must be excelent IMO.
Heh, if I would have moderator points left I would have modded your comment (-1) flame. But after reading some AC's replies to you, I realized something that is really wrong here IMNSHO.
Why must I fear karmic retribution if I post religious or anti-religious comment here? Because of such not so farsighted (former, sigh) modders like me! How can I change that, by changing myself.
To collect what those AC:s made me realize on this subject I peresent this following question?
Is it religion and science that do not mix, or the ethics and morals of certain religions and science that do not mix? Ethics are part of our culture which to my knowledge is only thing that is as valuable as science. Because only our knowledge and culture do survive over generations and our short life span. Should we advance science faster, than the other half of what makes us mankind can advance?
I do not honestly know. But what I know, is that I will rather be a man, that has his limitations and short views that machine that has no soul.
And I do have the patience to wait people to wake up to embrace the tomorrow little by little rather than forced to waken.
Disclaimer: I am an agnostic, so my opinion is not from either side of the grand religion vs. atheism war that imho should have ended in 19th century.
Umh. Not applicable in Norway but in EU. Have I understood this right:
EUCD says:
[clip]
(52) When implementing an exception or limitation for private copying in accordance with Article 5(2)(b), Member States should likewise promote the use of voluntary measures to accommodate achieving the objectives of such exception or limitation. If, within a reasonable period of time, no such voluntary measures to make reproduction for private use possible have been taken, Member States may take measures to enable beneficiaries of the exception or limitation concerned to benefit from it. Voluntary measures taken by rightholders, including agreements between rightholders and other parties concerned, as well as measures taken by Member States, do not prevent rightholders from using technological measures which are consistent with the exceptions or limitations on private copying in national law in accordance with Article 5(2)(b), taking account of the condition of fair compensation under that provision and the possible differentiation between various conditions of use in accordance with Article 5(5), such as controlling the number of reproductions. In order to prevent abuse of such measures, any technological measures applied in their implementation should enjoy legal protection.
And article 5(2)(b): (b) in respect of reproductions on any medium made by a natural person for private use and for ends that are neither directly nor indirectly commercial, on condition that the rightholders receive fair compensation which takes account of the application or non-application of technological measures referred to in Article 6 to the work or subject-matter concerned; [/clip]
*if i read this right* it says to me, that european goverments must *help* to break copyright systems that limit fair use [5(2)(b)] if copyright holders are compensated for example from empty CD media (as they are in finland).
Am I completely mistaken?
This would mean that if norway has to abide by EUCD directive because of some trade issues with EU, the fair use enabler should be rewarded not punished?
Yes, and we must not forget that there are different ethical systems. Some say it is wrong, not to abuse power that you have gotten, others say it is not right to let people (or animals) suffer.
Nowadays these things about ethics and morale are often forgotten, as media seems to be intrested only of ethical system it creates. The ethics and beliefs of massconsciousness of the media blinded people.
Basicly model where you pay by meg is pretty restricted. It even helps to stop innovation and exploration quite efficiently.
Lets see: Yesterday, I downloaded nearly two gigs of data from Redhats ftp site, just to play around with it.
as single download of that size per mont it does not use much of the nets capacity on month level. So in fact the effect, my download had was pretty minimal. When I normally use net in home just to read some weblogs and email, this 2gb chunk would be a pretty large increase to my monthly traffic. So, If I would be paying per meg, my financial balance would be devastated.
So I would not have done it
As primarily Windoze user, that would have stopped me from playing around with linux completely: because I would not have downloaded the iso images.
One solution to this problem could be system, that would let you have free traffic to certain limit per month, and then charge by meg. But again, on such system, would I have taken the risk of going over my traffic limit? No.
I could envision some sort of system, where you would be capped, or charged more, if you go over some large relational value, like using the net 50% more than average consumer, or the like. But again, if such usage would charge me more, I would not use it.
Umm, yeah, just some idle amusings. Some othes had far more insightfull answers to the problems I saw.
'According to SANS incident handler Johannes Ullrich, a preliminary analysis shows the code, which has been dubbed "SQLsnake," attempts to log in to the SQL administrator's account on a remote server using a "brute force" password cracker.'
So, it inflicts even systems, that do not have blank sa password. It only inflicts those systems, instantly.
The article mentions some pretty grim visions of future. Devices able to change my alarm times
automatically, devices to recalculate my path to work.
I can see thast sometimes these are helpfull and good, but when I look to the exted, that I use mobile (like calling to a friend when in 50 meters away, and asking where did he go without even looking around) I can see that very many people could be "handicapped" when someone shutted some sevices down. (like people who had used such services from the beginning of their lives.)
The good thing about the internet is that anyone could build up a site with this kind of contest. And the bad side of the internet is that anyone can build up a site with this kind of contest.
Or in other words. I would otherwise greatly encourage, for example you to put ut such a contest, but the fact seems to be (at least to me) that the web is filled with such contests of small communities and groups.
Then again, should you (or anyone) somehow gain a larger community behind such endeavour, and get some outside funding from advertisers or sponsors, then your idea might be worthwhile, or even good. So if you can get these two, and create some working nomination/moderation system for nominees it would sound a great project, but without them you will be having hard time and need lots of will to build such contest. You can note that these fellows have been doing this for a decade now, and had a community at the beginning to start with.
If you did read through the pages to the past winners you might have noticed that they have a category of computer science (from year 2000 awards):
COMPUTER SCIENCE
Chris Niswander of Tucson, Arizona, for inventing PawSense, software that detects when a cat is walking across your computer keyboard.
Some others of past winners are quite hilarious too. So for the lazy ones: link to past winners is here [improbable.com].
Slashdot Mirror
Then again, as it is said before, this is not directly about not getting spam, but how to stop _sending_ spam.
But returning to your "eloquent" way of "protecting" your email addy, it is sadly antique in these days when mail forwarding servers (like sobig-XXX) collect adresses and forward them to sp4mh0sts. Et Cetera. As long as you send mail, your address can be collected. Period.
Only real solution for getting no spam, lies within ISP's and mail service providers. If no spam is send, and all spam-nets are restricted from mail then no spam goes to my, or your inbox.
Ahem: google anyone?
;-)
I know I am lazy - but the link you mentioned was third in the search results.
Oh, and thanks for the fish... free karma I mean
[flame_filter]
[bad_joke_mode]
What, People Eating Tasty Animals?
Who the fsck told you flies were tasty anyhow. And mind you, some of us like like our food 404'd
[/bad_joke_mode]
[/flame_filter]
Somebody just had to say this. Sorry.
An intresting widget for a mail reader would be a "spam button". It deletes the spam, blacklists the spammer, and sends an error message to the spammer... Like the one you get when there is no address with that name.
Are there any mailreaders with thatkind of widget?
There are ads that are based on very idea of anti-coolness or repulsivenes. Like old benetton ads that were there to shock people.
I find the idea of using the forementioned website as an ad figure as repulsing... but let me ask who of us does not remember the address of forementioned site.
If a product could sell even if its ads were repulsive (ie. Benetton sold clothes with pictures of shirts used by people who were violently slain), using web address named like tagline for the product with content as repulsive as in forementioned site, and using the adress as un-responsibly as the trolls here do, the campaign could yield really good results.
Some houses already capture "grey water" and use it for tasks where drinking water is not required. Obviously there's some filtering required. I've heard of other projects which are completely water self-sufficient. Yes, you end up boiling your potatoes in recycled piss!
Pretty revulsive to us today, but who knows? Maybe our grandkids will find it completely normal.
To be honest we are allready doing it. Earth is mostly a closed system. And might I say, I find it less repulsive to drink water where only I have pissed compared to the water where whole world pisses.
I have worked on 3 person company. And that never happened. So you must be talking about 2 person company, right?
But in that case, who the fsck is the sales/marketting manager... Aaah, I get it. It is the sales and marketting manager of next door neighbour two person SW shop.
Now, that sounds industrial espionage to me. And that is not nice. Did he even buy you people beers for using your code, or was it that you were wrinting free ("as in freedom") software?
Am I the only one seeing a new cold war coming to our home doors. First it is the nukes of us and NK then this article proclaims that NK has giant mecha leader and couple days later we hear that US is building a anti Kim Jong II device.
;-)
Have we gone too far? If this is what is the prime of civilization, I do not want to be part of it.
DISCLAIMER: Read the Onion article before thinking that I wrong about new cold war
Simple explanation could be: diet.
Basicly your body is composed of materials you have eaten. If you eat different things, your body must build itself with different materials. I hardly would call it a suprise if a clone of a white haired person is cloned and the clone turns out to be brunette, if the brunette can not gain the needed resources (titanium if I remember right.) to grow white hair.
And again, I am not suprised at all if a person who actively pursues sports and eats healthy is thin and the other who eats in McDonalds and watches tv is not, wether or not they have the same genes.
I must disagree with the notion that if culture would examine earth (and us) it would not have to be earth and us. As Culture is able to create any material or immaterial environment if it wishes so.
And on the other hand, The Feersum Endjin, can be seen or readen as what happened to earthbound men when culture evolved of spacefaring men.
Greatest thing about banks IMNHSHO is his ability to write totally of mindcrumbling complexity and still make sense (in so many ways).
Why on earth has no-one done a "wipe-it-all" linux disc distribution.
;-)
A minimum system, that has one goatse picture and ability to connect to something like news://alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.[like I know the group name].disgusting
The system asks if you are sure you want to empty your hard disk, then formats it twice (or formats, writes random seed data and formats), and writes it full of "random" images from disk and nntp host!
Happy datamining to someone intrested in your "stuff"
Umh, in my experience the cmyk color scheme is needed and usefull. Whereas you note that it would be only a "nothing but an industry-sponsored goof" I can not agree.
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Have you ever tought that light absorbing images are composed of different colours than light emitting images?
If your brilliant screen image is "dulled down to messy tones just by the conversion to CMYK" then maybe it would be so if printed?
To quote googled source:
"The read/green/blue model (RGB) is used in systems that emit light, like monitors. This is called additive color mixing, as the three colored lights red, green and blue add up to white when turned on simultaneously.
Systems that can only absorb light, like printed colors on a white paper, use the so called CMYK model, where the colors Cyan, Magenta and Yellow mixed together absorb all light thus causing a black impression. The K in CMYK stands for black, which is used in addition to the CMY, as existing colors usually do not give a perfect black, which is often a very wanted color."
source: http://www.etsimo.uniovi.es/cscene/CS9/CS9-04.htm
So mister AC, maybe IHBT, but I can not see that CMYK would be useless, or unnneeded in graphics program. Not to even mention some other field specific color schemes.
I can live with missin color schemes of gimp. But the unability to freely rotate image is unbearable when scanning images.
So I have to have photoshop for that, Gimp for editing and Corel for printing. (ok, I agree the photoshop cmyk conversion does not work. Corel on the other hand is superior for color management)
Credit cards.
Cash (debit?) cards.
Both of these are widely aivailable in europe, though it is fairly hard to pay with EC("electronic cash"), as not so many shops have needed readers for EC cards.
Why is that?
Because there is no market for "credstics" or EC
in consumer markets. People like to see how much money they have.
Maybe when you can get visa electron 2.0 that has lcd-on-creditcard that shows your current balance... or maybe not even then.
And you should remember that whern you use EC, all you transactions are _tracable_.
And what about Scifi view of EC-on-skin... I find that a horrible idea. An electronic tracing instrument planted on your skin.
I can understand the need for bigger banners and advertisements, as screensizes of people grow larger (banners look quite different in 640x480 than in my 1600xsomething). But to be honest, does the size of an ad matter. Ypu see I am not agains ad's. Quite contrary. I oppose only bad advertisements.
How then can a consumer affect on what kind of advertisement he gets. By feedback, boycot and most importantly by buying the products that have good advertisement campaigns. (ie. if you hate all ads buy the products that have no ads, simple). Many companies do actually react to customer feedback saying something on the lines of "I decided not to buy your peuducts, because I feel interned ads are...".
Sadly, as this sort of grasroots activity is the right answer, it is in a way a right aswer to wron problem. The problem of spam. Or in other words, the problem of stupid masses. For no matter how intelligent individuals are, is group of these people always stupid enough to fall into trap of spammers (advertisers in this case).
ps.
When in net, I tend block the most common depressive ads like those of doubleclick. And of the ads I see, most effective are the small gifs that say something like "made with gimp" or similar. If a product does not need bigger advertisement, it must be excelent IMO.
Heh, if I would have moderator points left I would have modded your comment (-1) flame.
But after reading some AC's replies to you, I realized something that is really wrong here IMNSHO.
Why must I fear karmic retribution if I post religious or anti-religious comment here? Because of such not so farsighted (former, sigh) modders like me! How can I change that, by changing myself.
To collect what those AC:s made me realize on this subject I peresent this following question?
Is it religion and science that do not mix, or the ethics and morals of certain religions and science that do not mix? Ethics are part of our culture which to my knowledge is only thing that is as valuable as science. Because only our knowledge and culture do survive over generations and our short life span. Should we advance science faster, than the other half of what makes us mankind can advance?
I do not honestly know. But what I know, is that I will rather be a man, that has his limitations and short views that machine that has no soul.
And I do have the patience to wait people to wake up to embrace the tomorrow little by little rather than forced to waken.
Disclaimer: I am an agnostic, so my opinion is not from either side of the grand religion vs. atheism war that imho should have ended in 19th century.
Umh. Not applicable in Norway but in EU.
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Have I understood this right:
EUCD says:
[clip]
(52) When implementing an exception or limitation for private copying
in accordance with Article 5(2)(b), Member States should likewise
promote the use of voluntary measures to accommodate achieving the
objectives of such exception or limitation. If, within a reasonable
period of time, no such voluntary measures to make reproduction for
private use possible have been taken, Member States may take measures
to enable beneficiaries of the exception or limitation concerned to
benefit from it. Voluntary measures taken by rightholders, including
agreements between rightholders and other parties concerned, as well
as measures taken by Member States, do not prevent rightholders from
using technological measures which are consistent with the exceptions
or limitations on private copying in national law in accordance with
Article 5(2)(b), taking account of the condition of fair compensation
under that provision and the possible differentiation between various
conditions of use in accordance with Article 5(5), such as controlling
the number of reproductions. In order to prevent abuse of such measures,
any technological measures applied in their implementation should enjoy
legal protection.
And article 5(2)(b):
(b) in respect of reproductions on any medium made by a natural person
for private use and for ends that are neither directly nor indirectly
commercial, on condition that the rightholders receive fair
compensation which takes account of the application or non-application
of technological measures referred to in Article 6 to the work or
subject-matter concerned;
[/clip]
*if i read this right* it says to me, that european goverments must
*help* to break copyright systems that limit fair use [5(2)(b)] if
copyright holders are compensated for example from empty CD media
(as they are in finland).
Am I completely mistaken?
This would mean that if norway has to abide by EUCD directive because of some trade issues with EU, the fair use enabler should be rewarded not punished?
Sources:
(1) http://europa.eu.int/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartap
Yes, and we must not forget that there are different ethical systems. Some say it is wrong, not to abuse power that you have gotten, others say it is not right to let people (or animals) suffer.
Nowadays these things about ethics and morale are often forgotten, as media seems to be intrested only of ethical system it creates. The ethics and beliefs of massconsciousness of the media blinded people.
OSTA! == Buy!
Scary when you think about it.
Basicly model where you pay by meg is pretty restricted. It even helps to stop innovation and exploration quite efficiently.
Lets see: Yesterday, I downloaded nearly two gigs of data from Redhats ftp site, just to play around with it.
as single download of that size per mont it does not use much of the nets capacity on month level. So in fact the effect, my download had was pretty minimal. When I normally use net in home just to read some weblogs and email, this 2gb chunk would be a pretty large increase to my monthly traffic. So, If I would be paying per meg, my financial balance would be devastated.
So I would not have done it
As primarily Windoze user, that would have stopped me from playing around with linux completely: because I would not have downloaded the iso images.
One solution to this problem could be system, that would let you have free traffic to certain limit per month, and then charge by meg. But again, on such system, would I have taken the risk of going over my traffic limit? No.
I could envision some sort of system, where you would be capped, or charged more, if you go over some large relational value, like using the net 50% more than average consumer, or the like. But again, if such usage would charge me more, I would not use it.
Umm, yeah, just some idle amusings. Some othes had far more insightfull answers to the problems I saw.
To quote security focus article:
'According to SANS incident handler Johannes Ullrich, a preliminary analysis shows the code, which has been dubbed "SQLsnake," attempts to log in to the SQL administrator's account on a remote server using a "brute force" password cracker.'
So, it inflicts even systems, that do not have blank sa password. It only inflicts those systems, instantly.
The article mentions some pretty grim visions of future. Devices able to change my alarm times
automatically, devices to recalculate my path to work.
I can see thast sometimes these are helpfull and good, but when I look to the exted, that I use mobile (like calling to a friend when in 50 meters away, and asking where did he go without even looking around) I can see that very many people could be "handicapped" when someone shutted some sevices down. (like people who had used such services from the beginning of their lives.)
If it maps out the unfilmed routes, then it maps the filmed too.
You can allways use the filmed ones (Or, more precisely not use the unfilmed ones). If you do not want to get mugged.
And as another poster said, maybe it helps your goverment, to find out the places that should be filmed.
The good thing about the internet is that anyone could build up a site with this kind of contest. And the bad side of the internet is that anyone can build up a site with this kind of contest.
Or in other words. I would otherwise greatly encourage, for example you to put ut such a contest, but the fact seems to be (at least to me) that the web is filled with such contests of small communities and groups.
Then again, should you (or anyone) somehow gain a larger community behind such endeavour, and get some outside funding from advertisers or sponsors, then your idea might be worthwhile, or even good. So if you can get these two, and create some working nomination/moderation system for nominees it would sound a great project, but without them you will be having hard time and need lots of will to build such contest. You can note that these fellows have been doing this for a decade now, and had a community at the beginning to start with.
If you did read through the pages to the past winners you might have noticed that they have a category of computer science (from year 2000 awards):
COMPUTER SCIENCE Chris Niswander of Tucson, Arizona, for inventing PawSense, software that detects when a cat is walking across your computer keyboard.
Some others of past winners are quite hilarious too. So for the lazy ones: link to past winners is here [improbable.com].