BK in the 80's was staffed by kids and retires. The Apple store isn't. This has been one of the big stories on the collapse of the American job market. People who used to make a living wage are now competing for former kids jobs.
Looking at the video and some of the responses I just keep thinking that if they just wanted to start a buzz they succeeded. If you want someone to notice something they have to notice it. It is now noticed. Exactly what it says is nowhere near as important as imbedding the idea in the mind. Time and again it has been shown that annoying ads work as well as pleasant ones.
They have linked the two ideas: Girls, and sexy girls at that, and Science, and cut through and differentiated the issue. We are arguing a very different issue then we were yesterday. That is a good thing.
I would tend to think the opposite. If you have a reason to hide things, then you will find how to hide them. This is why repressive countries have significant organized crime issues (AFAIK).
We can argue the details of security from now to doomsday. It's a good thing that Google is doing this. Except it's of limited value. As has been pointed out in reference to the Flame attack, State sponsored hacking is very hard to detect. Google might be able to detect some, but how many? And when does Google encounter a conflict of interest? What happens then, and will we know? This is one reason I like the existence of things like Bing and Yahoo Axis, I get to spread things around. No, it's not a cure all and I'm aware that I still can be tracked, but I am raising the price (effort, etc) needed to get things on me.
We're back to the price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. Some things don't change in the digital world. Politics didn't, Sex did. Go figure.
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Kiribati is the small nation that includes Gardner Island. A US Navy expedition into the area would pump money into the local economy. This sort of expedition is often encouraged by local governments. The military is a diplomatic tool as much as it is anything else. Considering the shifting politics of the region keeping a good relationship with a small but well placed country could bring significant benefits in time of crisis. For historical reference Tarawa, of the Battle of Tarawa, is the capital of Kiribati.
sorry for the double post, but this time I am logged in.
IBM's action are about controlling the behavior of people who may have access to IBM Intellectual Property. Anytime any pieces of information moves they want to know who moved it, why, when and where; and a complete list of everyone else who might be able to see it after it was moved. To try to understand this in terms of OSes is pointless, the proper metaphor is movie and music piracy. They are seeking to control how their IP can be copied or distributed.
Linux is irrelevant. It's like fretting over what brand of tire is on the get-away car.
For background, here is the Wikipedia article on Corperate Personhood.. I would like to raise the point that maybe corporations are just smoke screens for powerful individuals. We have to be careful to attack the Matidor, not the cape.
What I just love on these is that almost no women are posting./. really doesn't have a large female audience. As for daughters, I have two, both over 10, neither codes, both do what the fuck they want.
I've taught programming, part time in an elementary setting, for years, and have been a real live stay at home dad for almost 20 years. I know code and kids. Kids learn people first, things later. So teach what *you* are passionate about. A kid will spot bullshit a mile away. You can trust that your little brother knows you better than you would like. Your little brother isn't going to be learning programming, he will be learning what you like. It's the "what you like" part that is most important.
Don't worry about what language to use, all languages suck about the same amount, just in different ways. C is fine, kids have a wonderful ability with language, any language. Any kid under 14 (puberty is the dividing line) or so will pick up the syntax of any language in a few weeks. Arbitrary and weird is fine, they just go with it. In my experience kids can learn either top down or bottom up, but they have a more or less fixed attention span. You have something like 20 - 40 minutes before he will start to get antsy. (YMMV) Regular times for set amounts of time work best. He knows that Monday at 6 big brother will give him a lesson and answer that question that has been bugging him for days, or years or centuries, they're all about the same. If in 6 months he would rather find something else to do, then consider dropping it. But remember!! The discipline in a 12 year olds life is external, not internal! That really doesn't start kicking in until HIgh School.
One thing that will kill this is forgetting that he is 12, below a certain but unknown age kids just can't get certain things. You just don't know what, exactly. Just because you got it at 12 doesn't mean he will. He may get different things. Then they just go to sleep and wake up and suddenly get it. They will often deny that they ever didn't get it, it is now natural and part of them. It's magic and frustrating as hell.
If the teacher needs to ask this question maybe he shouldn't be teaching this course. My idea would be for him to go to his local library and read all of their SciFi collection. Then go the the next one and read anything not in the first. As a rule the librarians will keep decent stuff on the shelf. After that, it's just lit.
I still don't like your tone, but since my original post was mod'ed down for being flamebait I'll assume that you're not trying to be offensive, but you achieved it anyway. I will give you some advice; all you know of me is a few isolated comments and an ASCII character string called "Nick", don't jump to conclusions about who and what I am. If you want to know what my wife thinks of this you can ask, otherwise making comments is rude and out of context. If you think I mean something you can ask. You can say "This is flamebait" like the person who moded me down. I checked your other posts and I'm the only one who got this sort of reply -- did you just have a bad day?? I did miss one point that you made -- but since I'm annoyed I left it for last.
I think you're missing my point that time is NOT money. It's a resource, but resources only have value if there's people willing to buy them. If you got 20 bushels of tomatoes and the only grocer close enough to transport it before they spoil only commits to buying 18, are you losing money by eating the rest yourself? NO. It was was only tradeable into money up to a certain amount that people were willing to buy. The surplus is yours to use up or let rot. In the same way time is something that most people have a pretty generous amount of extra to throw away on whatever they wish. The fundamental point was that building a hackintosh was much cheaper then buying one from Apple looking solely at component costs. The reply was that leaving out the cost of labor creates a false economy. Labor is the most expensive part of almost any human endeavor. Looked at in solely this light you still have not made your case.
I swear if you guys had wives you're probably put them on the clock and the minute taking her out exceeded your hourly rate compared to what a hooker costs you're boot her to the curb . .. This is incredibly rude and nasty, both my wife and I would like an apology.
Then I doubt that he's actually a mechanic. He's a paper pusher who runs the shop. People who are good at a certain thing generally get that way by participating in it outside of their professional obligations. Many mechanics build hot rods. Basketball players don't just shoot hoops for the game each week, and Olympians don't lace up their shoes once every four years. Changing the oil is a helpers job not a mechanics. Pro Basketball players don't wash their own uniforms or socks.
Assembling a beige box isn't, but that wasn't the entirety of the scope here. Yes it was.
I got to tinker quite a bit with a different platform, and learn quite a bit about the workings of OS X (I learned far more here than I ever did with my regular Mac). You see, most of my professional worth these days comes from my knowledge of Linux/Unix. I admin a very mixed network, but I owe my job to knowing both Linux and Windows where everyone else who was looking at the position was Windows-only. I do have a college degree (in Comp Sci), but only one class during my whole curriculum was focused on Unix (and even that was Solaris). All my "worth" that you guys keep suggesting I'm crazy for wasting (because apparently I'm not billing myself) came from tinkering around with computers in just such a "wasteful" way. Yes -- I agree and I missed this point. I thought I have implied this but it is obvious that I didn't.
You may want to review the other posts in this thread. You'll find a number of other people who made this same point in a more clear and less nasty way.
No offense taken, I can see why you commented the way you did, but only after your comment. I take this as an opportunity to improve myself and my writing.
This misses the point. You keep separating time and money. How much is your time worth?? It's not that time makes money, it's that time is money.
You're not loosing money, and the opportunity cost of spending a few hours watching the lastest Ben Affleck flick is not really an issue. I do have better things to do then reinventing the white wall with chrome spoke rim wheel.
Besides, if you're NOT doing some technology related things in your spare time, you're probably a pretty shitty computer "professional" anyways. I certainly wouldn't trust my car to a mechanic that refused to change his own oil. This is nasty. My mechanic is successful enough to have one of his employees change his oil. Doing something technological does not mean spending a few hours doing what someone else can do just as well for less than I;'m worth. Assembling a beige box is not advanced work or interesting after the first one or two times. I wouldn't trust a Chef who couldn't prepare a fine meal because he spends all his time boiling eggs.
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I'm not pompous, I'm pedantic. There's a difference.
My point was that I could see wanting, or having, to run window apps on a Mac, but I don't know of any examples of the reverse. Oh well, back to English class for me.
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It isn't quite where they want us, we've reduced their footprint to only what is absolutely required. This also creates more pressure to find other solutions to this issue. This is what free markets are suposed to do. That's why MS doesn't really want them.
This has been dealt with to death, Scientific American has run dozens of articles on it. There are any number of simulations that show exactly what happened to the Neanderthals (check out these StarLogo examples http://www.scottcamazine.com/personal/selforganiza tion/starlogo/starlogo.htm/ ), all that has to happen is that reproduction has to drop below replacement for a long enough period of time. Europe is very mountainous, they are "Cave Men" after all, and if populations in different valleys don't mix because some of those funky new people are in a valley between you, and extinction occurs, without any contact at all. We can out compete them without ever meeting them.
I so agree with this - Is this election honest? All the exit polls and showed this going the other way and with all this being hidden who knows what happened. All of this has to be carefully double checked. As for the quesion on what can be done about this if there is extensive fraud is simple, none of this is official until December when the electors vote and it is counted in Congress, anything can happend until then.
Okay -- we vote, someone wins and everyone is happy - right? NO. The biggest issue facing America in this election is that most of the power in the US is tied to the Congress and States and all the focus is on the President. The Congress and States are controlled via Gerrymandering and this allows a constant bait and swtich. All the focus is on the President and the nuts and bolts are controlled by low turnout local elections that are controlled more and more by the far edges of the political spectrum
People get what they want, what they really want, not what they say they want. A large number of US citizens want a hard core creationist school system and don't really care about the rest. Men should support their families, and women should be pregnant and meek. We should as a whole sing the praises of the Lord and the rest is details.
The rest of the points being made in this thread are valid but off the mark. Talk to the people who live around you and look at what you do yourself. Where have you put your money? Your time and effort. What have you been willing to sacrifice? This is how we know what you want.
The most likely companies to do the job are IBM and SuSE. IBM is American, SuSE is now 100%-Novell owned and therefore also American.
This is where the nature of the software and the companies comes into play. Windows is a product, like a pencil, you buy it from them. They own it. The bottom line is that their products are treated like commodities. All the various licenses are used to support this point of view. The money goes from you, or Munich, to them. Neither Suse or IBM own linux, They are acting as distributors. What they do is gather products from other places and make something usable. They add value to something that already exists, and that they don't own. This is more like what a record company does than what MS does. And then they add their skills to the mix. So they are selling a sevice also.
One thing that I don't see being noted here is that it's not just how much something costs, but who gets paid. If Munich uses Linux then a lot of the costs stay local, if they use MS then the business is exported. Even if MS uses locals a lot of the money goes to Redmond. With all the bitching about lost jobs we have to remember that other countries have the same problems and Linux is one solution. You can get the best minds around the world working for you, but still keep your business local.
I didn't find out about it until it was mentioned on the earthlink newgroup support group. It appears that Earthlink "upgraded" their news servers and added the throttling as part of the upgrade.
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BK in the 80's was staffed by kids and retires. The Apple store isn't. This has been one of the big stories on the collapse of the American job market. People who used to make a living wage are now competing for former kids jobs.
And this being called called okay!?
Looking at the video and some of the responses I just keep thinking that if they just wanted to start a buzz they succeeded. If you want someone to notice something they have to notice it. It is now noticed. Exactly what it says is nowhere near as important as imbedding the idea in the mind. Time and again it has been shown that annoying ads work as well as pleasant ones.
They have linked the two ideas: Girls, and sexy girls at that, and Science, and cut through and differentiated the issue. We are arguing a very different issue then we were yesterday. That is a good thing.
I would tend to think the opposite. If you have a reason to hide things, then you will find how to hide them. This is why repressive countries have significant organized crime issues (AFAIK).
We can argue the details of security from now to doomsday. It's a good thing that Google is doing this. Except it's of limited value. As has been pointed out in reference to the Flame attack, State sponsored hacking is very hard to detect. Google might be able to detect some, but how many? And when does Google encounter a conflict of interest? What happens then, and will we know? This is one reason I like the existence of things like Bing and Yahoo Axis, I get to spread things around. No, it's not a cure all and I'm aware that I still can be tracked, but I am raising the price (effort, etc) needed to get things on me.
We're back to the price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. Some things don't change in the digital world. Politics didn't, Sex did. Go figure.
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Kiribati is the small nation that includes Gardner Island. A US Navy expedition into the area would pump money into the local economy. This sort of expedition is often encouraged by local governments. The military is a diplomatic tool as much as it is anything else. Considering the shifting politics of the region keeping a good relationship with a small but well placed country could bring significant benefits in time of crisis. For historical reference Tarawa, of the Battle of Tarawa, is the capital of Kiribati.
sorry for the double post, but this time I am logged in.
IBM's action are about controlling the behavior of people who may have access to IBM Intellectual Property. Anytime any pieces of information moves they want to know who moved it, why, when and where; and a complete list of everyone else who might be able to see it after it was moved. To try to understand this in terms of OSes is pointless, the proper metaphor is movie and music piracy. They are seeking to control how their IP can be copied or distributed.
Linux is irrelevant. It's like fretting over what brand of tire is on the get-away car.
For background, here is the Wikipedia article on Corperate Personhood.. I would like to raise the point that maybe corporations are just smoke screens for powerful individuals. We have to be careful to attack the Matidor, not the cape.
What I just love on these is that almost no women are posting. /. really doesn't have a large female audience. As for daughters, I have two, both over 10, neither codes, both do what the fuck they want.
I've taught programming, part time in an elementary setting, for years, and have been a real live stay at home dad for almost 20 years. I know code and kids. Kids learn people first, things later. So teach what *you* are passionate about. A kid will spot bullshit a mile away. You can trust that your little brother knows you better than you would like. Your little brother isn't going to be learning programming, he will be learning what you like. It's the "what you like" part that is most important.
Don't worry about what language to use, all languages suck about the same amount, just in different ways. C is fine, kids have a wonderful ability with language, any language. Any kid under 14 (puberty is the dividing line) or so will pick up the syntax of any language in a few weeks. Arbitrary and weird is fine, they just go with it. In my experience kids can learn either top down or bottom up, but they have a more or less fixed attention span. You have something like 20 - 40 minutes before he will start to get antsy. (YMMV) Regular times for set amounts of time work best. He knows that Monday at 6 big brother will give him a lesson and answer that question that has been bugging him for days, or years or centuries, they're all about the same. If in 6 months he would rather find something else to do, then consider dropping it. But remember!! The discipline in a 12 year olds life is external, not internal! That really doesn't start kicking in until HIgh School.
One thing that will kill this is forgetting that he is 12, below a certain but unknown age kids just can't get certain things. You just don't know what, exactly. Just because you got it at 12 doesn't mean he will. He may get different things. Then they just go to sleep and wake up and suddenly get it. They will often deny that they ever didn't get it, it is now natural and part of them. It's magic and frustrating as hell.
If the teacher needs to ask this question maybe he shouldn't be teaching this course. My idea would be for him to go to his local library and read all of their SciFi collection. Then go the the next one and read anything not in the first. As a rule the librarians will keep decent stuff on the shelf. After that, it's just lit.
You may want to review the other posts in this thread. You'll find a number of other people who made this same point in a more clear and less nasty way.
No offense taken, I can see why you commented the way you did, but only after your comment. I take this as an opportunity to improve myself and my writing.
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I'm not pompous, I'm pedantic. There's a difference.
Flamebait! -- Oh Pooh! Oh Bother!
Where is a jar of honey when you really need one?
My point was that I could see wanting, or having, to run window apps on a Mac, but I don't know of any examples of the reverse. Oh well, back to English class for me.
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I'm not pompous, I'm pedantic. There's a difference.
I always wonder why do this at all??
You have the two basic reasons :
1)You should I can't/shouldn't so I will
2)Gee - I wonder if I can fit this into that?
Outside of these why?? I can understand running Windoze on a Mac but not the other way around.
It isn't quite where they want us, we've reduced their footprint to only what is absolutely required. This also creates more pressure to find other solutions to this issue. This is what free markets are suposed to do. That's why MS doesn't really want them.
This has been dealt with to death, Scientific American has run dozens of articles on it. There are any number of simulations that show exactly what happened to the Neanderthals (check out these StarLogo examples http://www.scottcamazine.com/personal/selforganiza tion/starlogo/starlogo.htm/ ), all that has to happen is that reproduction has to drop below replacement for a long enough period of time. Europe is very mountainous, they are "Cave Men" after all, and if populations in different valleys don't mix because some of those funky new people are in a valley between you, and extinction occurs, without any contact at all. We can out compete them without ever meeting them.
I so agree with this - Is this election honest? All the exit polls and showed this going the other way and with all this being hidden who knows what happened. All of this has to be carefully double checked. As for the quesion on what can be done about this if there is extensive fraud is simple, none of this is official until December when the electors vote and it is counted in Congress, anything can happend until then.
Okay -- we vote, someone wins and everyone is happy - right? NO. The biggest issue facing America in this election is that most of the power in the US is tied to the Congress and States and all the focus is on the President. The Congress and States are controlled via Gerrymandering and this allows a constant bait and swtich. All the focus is on the President and the nuts and bolts are controlled by low turnout local elections that are controlled more and more by the far edges of the political spectrum
People get what they want, what they really want, not what they say they want. A large number of US citizens want a hard core creationist school system and don't really care about the rest. Men should support their families, and women should be pregnant and meek. We should as a whole sing the praises of the Lord and the rest is details.
The rest of the points being made in this thread are valid but off the mark. Talk to the people who live around you and look at what you do yourself. Where have you put your money? Your time and effort. What have you been willing to sacrifice? This is how we know what you want.
The most likely companies to do the job are IBM and SuSE. IBM is American, SuSE is now 100%-Novell owned and therefore also American.
This is where the nature of the software and the companies comes into play. Windows is a product, like a pencil, you buy it from them. They own it. The bottom line is that their products are treated like commodities. All the various licenses are used to support this point of view. The money goes from you, or Munich, to them. Neither Suse or IBM own linux, They are acting as distributors. What they do is gather products from other places and make something usable. They add value to something that already exists, and that they don't own. This is more like what a record company does than what MS does. And then they add their skills to the mix. So they are selling a sevice also.
One thing that I don't see being noted here is that it's not just how much something costs, but who gets paid. If Munich uses Linux then a lot of the costs stay local, if they use MS then the business is exported. Even if MS uses locals a lot of the money goes to Redmond. With all the bitching about lost jobs we have to remember that other countries have the same problems and Linux is one solution. You can get the best minds around the world working for you, but still keep your business local.
And if my palm locks up do I have to send it to mars and reboot it?
In the December 2003 issue had an article "The other open source OS" on page 14. It looks like a case of lets split hairs.
I didn't find out about it until it was mentioned on the earthlink newgroup support group. It appears that Earthlink "upgraded" their news servers and added the throttling as part of the upgrade.