.. while the rest of the World want Most Americans to make their Government safer. America Must Not Dictate Further Communications Policies; its own have resulted in near-fatal failures of its own society.
Freedom for the world is one thing, consuming the fruits of freedom, however, is another thing entirely..
"Free People" either practice Free Speech, and use their freedom to educate each other to form 'safety nets in society', or they just let the TV take over their thought patterns entirely, and forget that mass communication is not just for the consumer but also for the producers' benefit.. forget this, and you lose your freedom.
Leaving the Internet open, free, unfettered, and 'self-organizing' means it will always be a -reflection- of the society prevailing its administration. Technically and otherwise.
i tend to think that people who resist religion and treat it as if it is a non-scientific 'pathetic con' for un-intelligent people simply, have not had enough religion, and are more often than not unwitting members of extraordinarily secret and control-freaky cults themselves.
science seeks the truth and (most) religion claims to be the truth.
religion and science are, absolutely, nothing without the holder of the point of view, either way, who will perish sooner or later after a relatively short period of time.. time, the only posession, which belongs exclusively to them.
if you don't "believe" in "religion", it won't work for you. religioin is a point of view. science is too./. as well. if you don't assume the point of view 'of something' in order to understand it/use it as intended, you simply won't go far.
its like, a bicycle. if you don't "be the person riding the bicycle", you fall off. call it 'zen' of something, but it works for --all-- endeavours being recorded and used by the human consciousness.
just the same way that if you don't 'understand' 'science', you won't get the results predicted, religion is useless if you don't "use it" the way it is described.
so:
science seeks the truth and (most) religion claims to be the truth.
is totally true, as well as totally false. and all spaces in between, as well as not there at all.
If you can't see the "Ease of Use" on the Linux horizon, then you haven't booted MEPIS, or GoboLinux, or Dynebolic.
Mark my words: Apple have booted those distro's, seen the cross-platform package writing on the wall, combined with endless streams of embedded systems with little penguins in them, and are fighting back...
What Dell should do is, if snubbed by Apple, spend a $million on something like, oh, say.. OpenStep, or even GoboLinux, or maybe both, and.. out-"Ease of Use" Apple with a 'next-gen Linux dist'..
Apple coming to x86 means that Linux is scaring them. Linux is snapping on Stevie-boys' heels, you better believe..
maybe you wanna post pics to akihabranews, and incidentally, there are replacement PSP screens on the streets of aki-h, so that means you could probably find one on the web..
...people who are barely able to understand the concept of good programming practices having access to a tool which supports none of these. Then let them produce, with ease, the shoddy, buggy programs to enable Linux to challenge Microsoft for the honor of crappiest computing platform.
we talking about RealBASIC, or gcc here?
And besides, people writing crappy apps is no reason not to allow those who will write superlative ones to have such easy to use tools at their disposal. Where is the logic in that?
oh, unless, in fact, the idea of there being a massive pool of interesting new, easily-written apps, for Linux, is abhorrent to you, in which case i'll have to light a match to your astroturf...
RealBASIC has been around a loooooooooong time, and many very fine, very nice MacOS/OSX Apps were developed using its tools.
I would not be so hasty to predict its demise: RealBASIC coming to Linux is really only news because it didn't happen, oh, say 10 years ago (it could've).
.. future-Gryllidae-overlords-of-the-earth archeologist clique, collecting space debris for detailed analysis, find an old 'human skin vessel' floating out there, ever-watching, ever alert..
its enough to make you want to chitillate ones carapace, ew.
Don't count all the chickens yet. Be may be up for a come-back. There need not be only one CPU, and people are wising up to the speed-chase crack games that go on, with all the blinky pixels..
Put Be in a dual-PPC, portable, system, such as (but only similar to) the PSP/DS scenario, and we may not be so bothered with 'desktop winners and losers' any more, war-wise...
Same with Linux of course, and all its buildkits-de-jour among the CPU-du-jour folks..
Oh, and one more thing: Apple taking over x86 is because Microsoft are abandoning it.
i like my powerbook because its a) designed well, b) running an interesting processor.
i do not like the switch to intel, because, to me, intel is no longer a very interesting processor. sure it'll do the same work. sure i'll consider it. but at the same time, i'll also consider other laptops from other vendors.. there is no longer anything 'edgy' or 'unique' about the powerbook/intel scenario which might sway me to select Apple.
look, apple seems to 'be on to something' with their glomming of fancy API's onto a fairly solid and sold comp-sci base (BSD'nix), but the same exact glomming is still going strong in "La La Linux Land", as if that were all Open Source was all about..
hackers. do not put down your compilers. the reason OSX is 'able to do the CPU switcheroo' in the first place, is because of _your_ tools...
if nothing else, Apple pulling a bait and switch on a few million yoinks (powerbook'ers, gads!) demonstrates:
a) source code is valuable, because source code which is shared freely changes everyones standards, rapidly, by 'sharing the standard bearing' among a group of people who care: coders scratching itches.
b) source code is easy, its the hardware thats hard.
I still don't understand why Apple users care so much about which processor is in their system. Maybe it's because they spent so long trying to trick the world into thinking PPCs were better and now they are forced to either admit Apple is making a big mistake or they were wrong all along.
My first computer programming experience was with Apple, in the 70's, Apple ][. I spent many, many long hot days programming that beast, but soon I ditched Apple for an Oric-1, through which I experienced the epiphany of Unix and C.. and from that point on I subsequently pursued computers intensely, leaving Apple behind and using other platforms (Unix, MIPS, a little x86).. until recently.
So I wouldn't call myself an Apple 'fanboix', though I've certainly been a huge fan of the Powerbook, as a computing platform, since OSX was running on one. The Powerbook is my 'which machine to grab in a fire' system, though the i-opener might be safer, if you know what I mean..
What I like about Apple right now (or liked, anyway), was OSX and the Powerbook. Desktop systems are passé, big honking boxes boring (inevitably replaced), for me the powerbook form-factor just works. Computers come and go. The comfort of the 'book sticks to you.
I had huge hopes, one day, for a dual-proc G4 powerbook in the lineup. I guess now I'll just save my bucks for the dual-proc AMD-64 laptops that are on the horizon, but since now Apple have just given up completely, and removed the one thing that was interesting about them as a company (the 'other platform' guys), I dunno if my next 'powerbook' is going to be from Apple.
Now, as a computer nerd, if I have to run OSX on Intel, I may as well run Linux, instead, and abandon OSX completely (my files port).
Because, even though I do not, in fact, care what CPU is in the Apple, I do appreciate multiple CPU architectures.
For me, Apple abandoning PowerPC to the game consoles, video-phones, and other consumer junk, is a sad thing; I had hoped the PPC core would be pushed to extremely interesting limits by the Apple/IBM relationship.
It didn't happen. Apple has gone beige. Oh well.
As a software developer, I'm not bummin' too hard about this.. good portable code is stock in trade.. but as a tech nerd, I hope there are other PPC platforms we can develop stuff for.
I'm not gonna hold out for Apple. They had me with powerbook, now they've lost me again. Computin' ain't no fun if its' all the same color^H^H^H^H^HCPU!
Funny, lot's of linux users don't give a damn about LFS and get their box running fine. I know I do. What's so hard about getting a linux box running these days?
Nothing, except for your stupid straw man. YOU DO NOT NEED TO USE LFS TO GET YOUR LINUX BOX RUNNING!
Doing an LFS install, however, will provide you a great deal of insight into the workings of Linux, and is therefore recommended as an EDUCATIONAL STEP, to be used to enlighten oneself. Not like talking to a lawyer... in fact exactly opposite of that.
Like to tell Eben Moglen or Lawrence Lessig they're gunking up civilization? Twat.
oh, you're in their league, are you? oooh.. yay. they're only 'good' because there's so many bad lawyers around, hah! thus, you prove my point: lawyers are self-serving parasites!
Did you ever assume that that was not most people's job and looking down on those who could care less was plain silly?
Who gives a hoot what 'most peoples job' is? In this context, the discussion is whether or not its worth-while to investigate LFS, and the answer is, if you're a Linux User whose responsibility is for getting a Linux box running: HELL YES.
Whats so hard to understand about that?
My "clients" are usually public institutions seeking advice on the best type of legislation to pass.
oh great, so you're one of those types who makes laws for a living, then. great. thanks for gunking up civilization, yo!
Then why not go the whole way, learn how to make chips, boards, melt metal... Learn the basis of electronics. Then of course, go down to physics and chemistry. And understand how matter formed. And, obviously, down to metaphysics to understand how and why we're here.
i'd be quite happy to do that. know anyone who can educate me?
When I (a lawyer) give information to a client, I summarize what he needs to know, and give him just that.
oh, wait.. you're a lawyer. lawyers have a vested interest in keeping people ignorant, so i see where you're coming from. for me to 'change your mind' about this issue would be to fundamentally ruin your livelihood... but, bringing things back on topic:
It has nothing to do with "ignoring what's hard", but everything to do with "knowing what's useful for my job".
Doing an LFS insallation will give you -plenty- of details about whats useful for your job, if your job is to keep Linux burning...
#1: Apple have been fighting 'rumour mills' for years, this could all be a big ploy to distract the rumour sites from some other, grander hardware announcement.
#2: Apple on Intel? Big deal. It could just as well be Apple on ARM, since OSX is.. essentially.. portable to whatever targets GCC gives them, give or take a few drivers...
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there have been first-post'er morons since chips&dips ..
.. while the rest of the World want Most Americans to make their Government safer. America Must Not Dictate Further Communications Policies; its own have resulted in near-fatal failures of its own society.
Freedom for the world is one thing, consuming the fruits of freedom, however, is another thing entirely..
"Free People" either practice Free Speech, and use their freedom to educate each other to form 'safety nets in society', or they just let the TV take over their thought patterns entirely, and forget that mass communication is not just for the consumer but also for the producers' benefit.. forget this, and you lose your freedom.
Leaving the Internet open, free, unfettered, and 'self-organizing' means it will always be a -reflection- of the society prevailing its administration. Technically and otherwise.
I call Godwin.
i tend to think that people who resist religion and treat it as if it is a non-scientific 'pathetic con' for un-intelligent people simply, have not had enough religion, and are more often than not unwitting members of extraordinarily secret and control-freaky cults themselves.
science seeks the truth and (most) religion claims to be the truth.
religion and science are, absolutely, nothing without the holder of the point of view, either way, who will perish sooner or later after a relatively short period of time
if you don't "believe" in "religion", it won't work for you. religioin is a point of view. science is too.
its like, a bicycle. if you don't "be the person riding the bicycle", you fall off. call it 'zen' of something, but it works for --all-- endeavours being recorded and used by the human consciousness.
just the same way that if you don't 'understand' 'science', you won't get the results predicted, religion is useless if you don't "use it" the way it is described.
so:
science seeks the truth and (most) religion claims to be the truth.
is totally true, as well as totally false. and all spaces in between, as well as not there at all.
If you can't see the "Ease of Use" on the Linux horizon, then you haven't booted MEPIS, or GoboLinux, or Dynebolic.
Mark my words: Apple have booted those distro's, seen the cross-platform package writing on the wall, combined with endless streams of embedded systems with little penguins in them, and are fighting back...
sheesh... the days of "can't turn other peoples' annoying comments on or off" are over, dude.
you both should be using better editors, and comment-tags..
Indeed, there's no reason not to.
.. OpenStep, or even GoboLinux, or maybe both, and .. out-"Ease of Use" Apple with a 'next-gen Linux dist'..
..
What Dell should do is, if snubbed by Apple, spend a $million on something like, oh, say
Apple coming to x86 means that Linux is scaring them. Linux is snapping on Stevie-boys' heels, you better believe
maybe you wanna post pics to akihabranews, and incidentally, there are replacement PSP screens on the streets of aki-h, so that means you could probably find one on the web ..
What, did we lose the Saturn blueprint or something?
.. though whether they're useful is a different story..
No. Urban Legend. The plans are still on microfilm
...people who are barely able to understand the concept of good programming practices having access to a tool which supports none of these. Then let them produce, with ease, the shoddy, buggy programs to enable Linux to challenge Microsoft for the honor of crappiest computing platform.
we talking about RealBASIC, or gcc here?
And besides, people writing crappy apps is no reason not to allow those who will write superlative ones to have such easy to use tools at their disposal. Where is the logic in that?
oh, unless, in fact, the idea of there being a massive pool of interesting new, easily-written apps, for Linux, is abhorrent to you, in which case i'll have to light a match to your astroturf...
RealBASIC has been around a loooooooooong time, and many very fine, very nice MacOS/OSX Apps were developed using its tools.
I would not be so hasty to predict its demise: RealBASIC coming to Linux is really only news because it didn't happen, oh, say 10 years ago (it could've).
In other words: This ain't no Kylix, yo!
don't think of it any other way! after all, if Microsoft 'do a Gentoo', then its STILL OPEN SOURCE ..
;)
oh, and 'we' will have won.
.. future-Gryllidae-overlords-of-the-earth archeologist clique, collecting space debris for detailed analysis, find an old 'human skin vessel' floating out there, ever-watching, ever alert ..
its enough to make you want to chitillate ones carapace, ew.
In case you didn't notice, Linux has apps.
The US has been a police state since the end of World War 2.
You didn't really think all those soldiers were going to put away their toys and go home, did you?
Americans, take on the Techno-Military-Industrial Cults which have your nation in their grips! Quick! Its not too late!
Don't count all the chickens yet. Be may be up for a come-back. There need not be only one CPU, and people are wising up to the speed-chase crack games that go on, with all the blinky pixels..
...
Put Be in a dual-PPC, portable, system, such as (but only similar to) the PSP/DS scenario, and we may not be so bothered with 'desktop winners and losers' any more, war-wise
Same with Linux of course, and all its buildkits-de-jour among the CPU-du-jour folks..
Oh, and one more thing: Apple taking over x86 is because Microsoft are abandoning it.
You learned Unix and C on an Oric-1?
..
..
yeah, i had a modem for the Oric, and access to some Uni accounts, yo
though i did work with the oric's C compiler later, most of the time it was a terminal
i like my powerbook because its a) designed well, b) running an interesting processor.
i do not like the switch to intel, because, to me, intel is no longer a very interesting processor. sure it'll do the same work. sure i'll consider it. but at the same time, i'll also consider other laptops from other vendors.. there is no longer anything 'edgy' or 'unique' about the powerbook/intel scenario which might sway me to select Apple.
i wish SGI made laptops.
.. and not only that, but does he think nobody in Japan reads slashdot?
.. the other way around.
look, apple seems to 'be on to something' with their glomming of fancy API's onto a fairly solid and sold comp-sci base (BSD'nix), but the same exact glomming is still going strong in "La La Linux Land", as if that were all Open Source was all about..
hackers. do not put down your compilers. the reason OSX is 'able to do the CPU switcheroo' in the first place, is because of _your_ tools...
if nothing else, Apple pulling a bait and switch on a few million yoinks (powerbook'ers, gads!) demonstrates:
a) source code is valuable, because source code which is shared freely changes everyones standards, rapidly, by 'sharing the standard bearing' among a group of people who care: coders scratching itches.
b) source code is easy, its the hardware thats hard.
I still don't understand why Apple users care so much about which processor is in their system. Maybe it's because they spent so long trying to trick the world into thinking PPCs were better and now they are forced to either admit Apple is making a big mistake or they were wrong all along.
.. and from that point on I subsequently pursued computers intensely, leaving Apple behind and using other platforms (Unix, MIPS, a little x86) .. until recently.
..
.. good portable code is stock in trade .. but as a tech nerd, I hope there are other PPC platforms we can develop stuff for.
My first computer programming experience was with Apple, in the 70's, Apple ][. I spent many, many long hot days programming that beast, but soon I ditched Apple for an Oric-1, through which I experienced the epiphany of Unix and C
So I wouldn't call myself an Apple 'fanboix', though I've certainly been a huge fan of the Powerbook, as a computing platform, since OSX was running on one. The Powerbook is my 'which machine to grab in a fire' system, though the i-opener might be safer, if you know what I mean
What I like about Apple right now (or liked, anyway), was OSX and the Powerbook. Desktop systems are passé, big honking boxes boring (inevitably replaced), for me the powerbook form-factor just works. Computers come and go. The comfort of the 'book sticks to you.
I had huge hopes, one day, for a dual-proc G4 powerbook in the lineup. I guess now I'll just save my bucks for the dual-proc AMD-64 laptops that are on the horizon, but since now Apple have just given up completely, and removed the one thing that was interesting about them as a company (the 'other platform' guys), I dunno if my next 'powerbook' is going to be from Apple.
Now, as a computer nerd, if I have to run OSX on Intel, I may as well run Linux, instead, and abandon OSX completely (my files port).
Because, even though I do not, in fact, care what CPU is in the Apple, I do appreciate multiple CPU architectures.
For me, Apple abandoning PowerPC to the game consoles, video-phones, and other consumer junk, is a sad thing; I had hoped the PPC core would be pushed to extremely interesting limits by the Apple/IBM relationship.
It didn't happen. Apple has gone beige. Oh well.
As a software developer, I'm not bummin' too hard about this
I'm not gonna hold out for Apple. They had me with powerbook, now they've lost me again. Computin' ain't no fun if its' all the same color^H^H^H^H^HCPU!
Funny, lot's of linux users don't give a damn about LFS and get their box running fine. I know I do. What's so hard about getting a linux box running these days?
... in fact exactly opposite of that.
.. yay. they're only 'good' because there's so many bad lawyers around, hah! thus, you prove my point: lawyers are self-serving parasites!
Nothing, except for your stupid straw man. YOU DO NOT NEED TO USE LFS TO GET YOUR LINUX BOX RUNNING!
Doing an LFS install, however, will provide you a great deal of insight into the workings of Linux, and is therefore recommended as an EDUCATIONAL STEP, to be used to enlighten oneself. Not like talking to a lawyer
Like to tell Eben Moglen or Lawrence Lessig they're gunking up civilization? Twat.
oh, you're in their league, are you? oooh
Did you ever assume that that was not most people's job and looking down on those who could care less was plain silly?
Who gives a hoot what 'most peoples job' is? In this context, the discussion is whether or not its worth-while to investigate LFS, and the answer is, if you're a Linux User whose responsibility is for getting a Linux box running: HELL YES.
Whats so hard to understand about that?
My "clients" are usually public institutions seeking advice on the best type of legislation to pass.
oh great, so you're one of those types who makes laws for a living, then. great. thanks for gunking up civilization, yo!
Then why not go the whole way, learn how to make chips, boards, melt metal... Learn the basis of electronics. Then of course, go down to physics and chemistry. And understand how matter formed. And, obviously, down to metaphysics to understand how and why we're here.
.. you're a lawyer. lawyers have a vested interest in keeping people ignorant, so i see where you're coming from. for me to 'change your mind' about this issue would be to fundamentally ruin your livelihood... but, bringing things back on topic:
i'd be quite happy to do that. know anyone who can educate me?
When I (a lawyer) give information to a client, I summarize what he needs to know, and give him just that.
oh, wait
It has nothing to do with "ignoring what's hard", but everything to do with "knowing what's useful for my job".
Doing an LFS insallation will give you -plenty- of details about whats useful for your job, if your job is to keep Linux burning...
Two points:
.. essentially .. portable to whatever targets GCC gives them, give or take a few drivers...
#1: Apple have been fighting 'rumour mills' for years, this could all be a big ploy to distract the rumour sites from some other, grander hardware announcement.
#2: Apple on Intel? Big deal. It could just as well be Apple on ARM, since OSX is