It's called "speciaization". It's the basis of advanced human civilization. Without it, we'd still be living like the Amish.
and with it, we're destroying every single resource we can find, birthing generations and generations of self-incompetent 'consumers' whose entire claim in life is the perpetual upgrade 'to something new', regardless of if it was actually needed or not. in case you didn't notice, The Consumer is the most destructive force in human society, while The Producer is the most needed.
and.. its not so bad to suggest a change in social ideology which would change this. whether its 'normal' or not, its still up to the invidual whether they want to be competent enough to feed themselves, or if they want to be coppertop consumers hell-bent on being served by their slave industry. the choice is there; if it weren't for people pointing out the positives of choosing to DIY, people wouldn't DIY. so, why argue with me? in the end, Linux users can choose to LFS, or not LFS. thats the good thing about life, it sometimes offers you choices.
and all i've said is, if you do use LFS to enlighten yourself on the subject of Linux, you'll get a better Linux experience at the end of the tunnl. Its not so hard to build binutils. Its not so hard to have a machine in the corner that you can crash at will, while also educating yourself on deeper, darker mysteries of Linux administration.
Hell, if I had the hardware, you can bet your ass I'd make my own shirts.
It's the basis of advanced human civilization.
ummm... no. the basis of advanced human civilization is our ability to communicate with each other with the purpose of educating one another. it has nothing to do with specialization and everything to do with education.
if you promote the ideal that you should value the 'ignore the things that are hard for you to do' values in life, you demote education as a force in civilized society.. and reduce civilization to a festering pit of slobs incapable of living outside their little boxes. oh wait, i see that condition exists already in many, many places. pity.
maybe that is why, suddenly, the DIY revolution is getting new wind...
I don't understand this "Cult of the Difficult" that seems to be very pervasive in the Open Source community.
anything which increases the level of a persons understanding of a scenario, makes them more competent. competence in this industry is an honored and valuable condition.
Understanding every little bit of something is not a requirement for using it
true, the only 'requirement' is that it be working and usable in the first place. but if you're a linux person, and you like these things, you should not be afraid to explore and learn by tweaking/crashing/building. the reason for this is, that the more competent you are, the more stable your system will be.. and this is true of all endeavours, not just computers, not just linux, not just windows.
hey, it works for sailing too. it works for raising kids. it works for driving cars. thus: it works for linux.
get under the hood, change your own oil, build your own binutils. it will help you achieve a better state of operation, and its really not that hard to do, if you do it often enough...
(the reason you might feel like things get 'culty' about this issue is that, in fact, there is a corollary: the "Cult of Ease" has resulted in countless generations of incompetent slobs unable to even wipe their own/tmp dir, let alone figure out how to reboot...)
yeah, but if you build your own, at least you know -why- your packages are broken: you're a dumbass!
LFS is the best way to get a fully operational linux box that will be tight, lean, and mean. okay, you have to know what you're doing.
but.. its an interesting point that we've come so far with all these so-called 'linux people' who wouldn't touch LFS with a stick... or couldn't, even. Re-visiting the LFS scenario every year or two, for you distro-monkeys, should be a requirement of the "Order of The Penguin" membership...
Instead of hate it and wish it gone, why not work towards this new technology with hopes to use it with fewer worries?
Big Media really is just that: "Big". These are people who are used to having, relatively, access to millions of peoples minds and attention, hours on end, weeks on end. They are addicted to it, economically.
There's no way they want to 'share' any namespace as public and easy to use as BitTorrent.. to do so would be to level the playing field, their loss.
Fact is, as "Reality Shows" are proving, anyone can produce an entertaining few hours worth of video to watch. And as the Internet proves, daily, mass-migration of peoples' attention on a free basis moves fluidly far, far, far easier on the Internet than it does, say, when you have to pimp Palm-Olive, Big Oil, and McDonalds to keep the wires lit..
Wide-open public forums are always destroyed/attacked by the few whose belief in their own control over others is holier than others..
What the hell are you talking about? Knowledge is cheaper than hardware.
If you don't think this, then count how much it cost you to read this message, and then count how much your computer, which you are reading this message on, cost.
Hardware requires doing. Service only requires thinking and talking. Hardware is far more important, to computer systems, than software.
From the moment they realise they are part of the evolution of society and try to influence it, we will be moving in the right direction
Sorry, but no. The *real* moment OSS will be moving in the right direction, is when the OSS movement works out that source is nothing, operational hardware is everything, and getting that hardware into the hands of people who will use it is more important than any and all of the above.
umm.. in case you didn't know, your nation is At War. War means money. the Air Force is fighting. 'r&d' is frivolous when you have Shawk and Oww to deliver..
I am glad you are so knowledgeable... blah blah.. neuro transmitters... blah blah.. great grandfather.. blah.. my grandfather, father and I wouldn't have had top suffer from his obviously not congenital illness... i'm sorry you, and your advanced civilization, are so on top of their state of mind, that they were willing to let someone else profit from drugging them into oblivion.
4 generations of crack-heads in charge, yo!
there are many people who would not be functional without proper medication.
yeah. and there are plenty of people who would not be functional without proper water, too. but i don't see your society^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmega-corps solving that problem as 'easily' as they "delve into the depths of the bwain, bwian, and pwumb its myth-terries!!"
The worst part of it is , the people who truely do need the medication seem to always slip through the net.
nobody needs these drugs. they are sold simply to line the pockets of the pharmaceuticals' executives..
most 'modern mental health' problems can be solved by removing the blind faith one puts in so-called 'mental health professionals', who really are little more than shills for the biggest con ever played on a society by mass market engineers.
Interesting. Given your low UIN I'd thought that you'd know something, anything, about enterprise software development. But I guess that's definitely not the case.
wow, what a freakin' psychologist. go team!
what the hell do you know, maybe i've been personally responsible for developing, and managing the development of, oh, lets see now, 27 different enterprise systems since 1987, when i first started professionally developing software systems for a living. my clients, and some of the companies i have been personally involved in, are some of the most successful examples of DIY enterprise software solutions you can find. don't make me make you a list.
here's a clue: things are not always what they seem. your own expertise will never be as great as the sum total of all other expertise you're ignorant of..
"not everyone is WalMart"? you honestly are so apathetic on the subject of commerce and production, and entrepreneur-ity, that you equate "being fully responsibility for the quality of the software that is the backbone of the company" with "American Mega-Corp Nightmare"?
come on. Software Is Not Hard. anyone building a business would be well advised to spend an hour a day, working only on the business-engine that drives their system. an hour a day, for 3 months, can result in a -very- tailored software engine.. especially if you've got the spirit.
so far, no arguments to my original point have been anything less than "why bother, its too hard, just buy it, there is no spirit to it, no point, impossible"... feh! you're missing the point of enterprise, if you think you can just 'buy yourself a company into existence'..
NO! That is not the point of oss. Its about some kind of hippy freedom philosophy. SOME of the OS software is better(in terms of quality/features etc). Many are NOT.
"how do you know she's a witch?"
- "she looks like one! can we BURN her?"
"hippy" philosophy, eh? you mean if its not techno-militant fascist opulant consumerist tripe, its "leftist".
i don't care if they're gay or not, as long as they're not fat gay pink executives attempting to promote their agenda on an entire nations-worth of consumers..
and its you who are the bigot, able to pigeon-hole me with your robo-critic stance. yay for the reactionary mass-mindset!
OK, I run a retail store. Are you suggesting that, instead of buying a working POS solution for about $800/workstation, that I should make my own? You can't really be serious...
actually, i am serious.
but perhaps you misunderstand me. i'm not saying "do it all yourself". OSS means that you can cover the entire scale of software 'responsibility'.. start with an OSS retail package (there are many, many of them out there), find one that comes close to what you need, install the source, compile it, run it, stage it on your production line, and.. as you find things that need to change, program those changes and then contribute them back to the code base..
'rolling your own' could also mean 'work with others who are rollingn their own and load-balance the effort until it works for all', you know...
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It's called "speciaization". It's the basis of advanced human civilization. Without it, we'd still be living like the Amish.
.. its not so bad to suggest a change in social ideology which would change this. whether its 'normal' or not, its still up to the invidual whether they want to be competent enough to feed themselves, or if they want to be coppertop consumers hell-bent on being served by their slave industry. the choice is there; if it weren't for people pointing out the positives of choosing to DIY, people wouldn't DIY. so, why argue with me? in the end, Linux users can choose to LFS, or not LFS. thats the good thing about life, it sometimes offers you choices.
.. and reduce civilization to a festering pit of slobs incapable of living outside their little boxes. oh wait, i see that condition exists already in many, many places. pity.
...
and with it, we're destroying every single resource we can find, birthing generations and generations of self-incompetent 'consumers' whose entire claim in life is the perpetual upgrade 'to something new', regardless of if it was actually needed or not. in case you didn't notice, The Consumer is the most destructive force in human society, while The Producer is the most needed.
and
and all i've said is, if you do use LFS to enlighten yourself on the subject of Linux, you'll get a better Linux experience at the end of the tunnl. Its not so hard to build binutils. Its not so hard to have a machine in the corner that you can crash at will, while also educating yourself on deeper, darker mysteries of Linux administration.
Hell, if I had the hardware, you can bet your ass I'd make my own shirts.
It's the basis of advanced human civilization.
ummm... no. the basis of advanced human civilization is our ability to communicate with each other with the purpose of educating one another. it has nothing to do with specialization and everything to do with education.
if you promote the ideal that you should value the 'ignore the things that are hard for you to do' values in life, you demote education as a force in civilized society
maybe that is why, suddenly, the DIY revolution is getting new wind
.. is letting people off the hook, then its failing to perform the job it was hired to do: provide evidence in prosecuting law-breakers.
There should be a deep investigation into this issue. After all, the public trust has been violated. Criminals are going free because of business.
I don't understand this "Cult of the Difficult" that seems to be very pervasive in the Open Source community.
.. and this is true of all endeavours, not just computers, not just linux, not just windows.
/tmp dir, let alone figure out how to reboot...)
anything which increases the level of a persons understanding of a scenario, makes them more competent. competence in this industry is an honored and valuable condition.
Understanding every little bit of something is not a requirement for using it
true, the only 'requirement' is that it be working and usable in the first place. but if you're a linux person, and you like these things, you should not be afraid to explore and learn by tweaking/crashing/building. the reason for this is, that the more competent you are, the more stable your system will be
hey, it works for sailing too. it works for raising kids. it works for driving cars. thus: it works for linux.
get under the hood, change your own oil, build your own binutils. it will help you achieve a better state of operation, and its really not that hard to do, if you do it often enough...
(the reason you might feel like things get 'culty' about this issue is that, in fact, there is a corollary: the "Cult of Ease" has resulted in countless generations of incompetent slobs unable to even wipe their own
yeah, but if you build your own, at least you know -why- your packages are broken: you're a dumbass!
.. its an interesting point that we've come so far with all these so-called 'linux people' who wouldn't touch LFS with a stick ... or couldn't, even. Re-visiting the LFS scenario every year or two, for you distro-monkeys, should be a requirement of the "Order of The Penguin" membership ...
LFS is the best way to get a fully operational linux box that will be tight, lean, and mean. okay, you have to know what you're doing.
but
I assure you, the magnifying glass on my SAK is plenty for starting fires...
Me: 10 EUR per hour (Im just jobbing as a student.)
.. right. you're not worth 10 euro per hour if you think hardware is less important than software in the 'computing systems' department.
yeah
whatever Moores' Law says, there is a corollary: software will never really fully utilize hardware.
Instead of hate it and wish it gone, why not work towards this new technology with hopes to use it with fewer worries?
.. to do so would be to level the playing field, their loss.
..
Big Media really is just that: "Big". These are people who are used to having, relatively, access to millions of peoples minds and attention, hours on end, weeks on end. They are addicted to it, economically.
There's no way they want to 'share' any namespace as public and easy to use as BitTorrent
Fact is, as "Reality Shows" are proving, anyone can produce an entertaining few hours worth of video to watch. And as the Internet proves, daily, mass-migration of peoples' attention on a free basis moves fluidly far, far, far easier on the Internet than it does, say, when you have to pimp Palm-Olive, Big Oil, and McDonalds to keep the wires lit
Wide-open public forums are always destroyed/attacked by the few whose belief in their own control over others is holier than others..
.. or a techno-militaristic fascist dictatorship with an arsenal (washington)?
What the hell are you talking about? Knowledge is cheaper than hardware.
If you don't think this, then count how much it cost you to read this message, and then count how much your computer, which you are reading this message on, cost.
Hardware requires doing. Service only requires thinking and talking. Hardware is far more important, to computer systems, than software.
From the moment they realise they are part of the evolution of society and try to influence it, we will be moving in the right direction
Sorry, but no. The *real* moment OSS will be moving in the right direction, is when the OSS movement works out that source is nothing, operational hardware is everything, and getting that hardware into the hands of people who will use it is more important than any and all of the above.
OSS means Hardware Rules.
I registered EarthBrowser when I first saw it .. its maybe not the right degree of detail (yet), but it sure is fun to surf webcams with ..
your test failed! mine is better!
*ducks*
CD is dead, long live wireless! use open protocols!
umm .. in case you didn't know, your nation is At War. War means money. the Air Force is fighting. 'r&d' is frivolous when you have Shawk and Oww to deliver ..
I am glad you are so knowledgeable ... blah blah .. neuro transmitters. .. blah blah .. great grandfather .. blah .. my grandfather, father and I wouldn't have had top suffer from his obviously not congenital illness. .. i'm sorry you, and your advanced civilization, are so on top of their state of mind, that they were willing to let someone else profit from drugging them into oblivion.
4 generations of crack-heads in charge, yo!
there are many people who would not be functional without proper medication.
yeah. and there are plenty of people who would not be functional without proper water, too. but i don't see your society^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hmega-corps solving that problem as 'easily' as they "delve into the depths of the bwain, bwian, and pwumb its myth-terries!!"
oh, but by your logic, i wouldn't have to know anything at all in order to call myself an expert on anything.
sheesh. black, white, or chartreuse? pick -only- one for your argument.
The worst part of it is , the people who truely do need the medication seem to always slip through the net.
..
nobody needs these drugs. they are sold simply to line the pockets of the pharmaceuticals' executives
most 'modern mental health' problems can be solved by removing the blind faith one puts in so-called 'mental health professionals', who really are little more than shills for the biggest con ever played on a society by mass market engineers.
I think they couldn't have picked a worse person to teach that kind of class. This is just so surreal.
i dunno, how could you say someone is an 'expert' on ethics if they haven't run the full spectrum on it?
Interesting. Given your low UIN I'd thought that you'd know something, anything, about enterprise software development. But I guess that's definitely not the case.
..
wow, what a freakin' psychologist. go team!
what the hell do you know, maybe i've been personally responsible for developing, and managing the development of, oh, lets see now, 27 different enterprise systems since 1987, when i first started professionally developing software systems for a living. my clients, and some of the companies i have been personally involved in, are some of the most successful examples of DIY enterprise software solutions you can find. don't make me make you a list.
here's a clue: things are not always what they seem. your own expertise will never be as great as the sum total of all other expertise you're ignorant of
wtf? this makes sense, not.
.. especially if you've got the spirit.
... feh! you're missing the point of enterprise, if you think you can just 'buy yourself a company into existence' ..
"not everyone is WalMart"? you honestly are so apathetic on the subject of commerce and production, and entrepreneur-ity, that you equate "being fully responsibility for the quality of the software that is the backbone of the company" with "American Mega-Corp Nightmare"?
come on. Software Is Not Hard. anyone building a business would be well advised to spend an hour a day, working only on the business-engine that drives their system. an hour a day, for 3 months, can result in a -very- tailored software engine
so far, no arguments to my original point have been anything less than "why bother, its too hard, just buy it, there is no spirit to it, no point, impossible"
NO! That is not the point of oss. Its about some kind of hippy freedom philosophy. SOME of the OS software is better(in terms of quality/features etc). Many are NOT.
"how do you know she's a witch?"
- "she looks like one! can we BURN her?"
"hippy" philosophy, eh? you mean if its not techno-militant fascist opulant consumerist tripe, its "leftist".
pfft. i bet you don't read books, eh?
i don't care if they're gay or not, as long as they're not fat gay pink executives attempting to promote their agenda on an entire nations-worth of consumers ..
and its you who are the bigot, able to pigeon-hole me with your robo-critic stance. yay for the reactionary mass-mindset!
what excellent psychoanalysis. you should take your hand out of my ass now and tell me what i had for lunch.
OK, I run a retail store. Are you suggesting that, instead of buying a working POS solution for about $800/workstation, that I should make my own? You can't really be serious...
.. start with an OSS retail package (there are many, many of them out there), find one that comes close to what you need, install the source, compile it, run it, stage it on your production line, and .. as you find things that need to change, program those changes and then contribute them back to the code base ..
...
actually, i am serious.
but perhaps you misunderstand me. i'm not saying "do it all yourself". OSS means that you can cover the entire scale of software 'responsibility'
'rolling your own' could also mean 'work with others who are rollingn their own and load-balance the effort until it works for all', you know
Everyone I've talked to *hates* the one they've got presently.
if they'd rolled their own in the first place, they wouldn't hate it so much...