really though, submarines and a mars colony are apples and oranges.
I dunno that I'd say there's an orange in that bunch. Actually, I'd say that submarines and a human-sustaining lander of some variety, are pretty much Apples and Apples. The dangers of ocean life to the human body are of equitable orders of magnitude as those same dangers posed by space, as a result of the human body being so darned frail to begin with.
Same fruit, different kind. I think we could continue submarine development {hey, a peaceful use for war weapons, wouldn't that be nice...} and further refine those systems, and end up with pretty good spacecraft.
I bet there's already a fair bit of grafting from the Space and Oceanic Human Sciences realms, anyway, already at NASA...
Unless someone's found a decent source of water on Mars, the technology doesn't apply.
Unless someones found a decent source of water on Mars, we ain't going there.
So if we do go there, technology that gives us what we need from water, does apply.
Unless we send robots, of course, but in that case as well nuclear power does apply... if but for the greenies.
As far as the greenies go, well we should use sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads for that situation, but if we send them to Mars, there still better be water...
The Navy has been using submarines with nuclear power sources and life support systems for decades.
Yeah. That is true. But are they growing their own food?
The Navy isn't self-sustaining. U-boots still need a supply convoy and system if they wanna stay out there... ain't no room for grow rooms in those torpedo bays, aaiiighht!
yo. just imagine your grow room scenario on a trident-class submarine...;)
yeah, this is quite interesting, actually... i always wonder what it'd be like if we -only- built space suits... and how far that could really go if we put more energy into it.
imagine an 'environment' suit you can put on which is good enough to act as the primary housing for the entire trip through to orbit. a suit so good, you put it on, then 'latch on' to a rocket booster, and its all you need to get you to the docking port of ISS2, or whatever...
how much 'lighter' could our space transport systems be if we put absolutely 1000% more into human-sustaining suits, i wonder...
Lets see NASA put all that human medicine/nutrition knowledge to use, and set up a "Survivor" program in... say... Mozambique... that uses bare-bones scientific evaluation of bio-mass consumption to prolong human survival as long as possible.
Another idea is ocean habitats. It seems very strange to me that we haven't 'prototyped' long-term human sustenance studies by building an "International Ocean Station" somewhere in the Marianas trench or something... Perhaps we have, perhaps its not useful, but it sure would be interesting to see all the details about human sustenance that an underwater, sealed 'biosphere X' kind of project could provide...
IF we've gotta live for 6 months on de-hydrated/hydroponic foods, lets do it in that other hostile environment we have yet to fully explore, provided by our Oceans, or Deserts, where ordinary 'normal' humans are also struggling to survive...
If they can't download updates to fix their borked system, what other software aren't they allowed to run?
Does a pirated operating system mean "not allowed to run software"?
Thats dangerous territory. Microsoft wouldn't be in the state it is in right now if it weren't for the pirate industry. They have widely acknowledged, countless times over the years, that pirates are a primary driving force behind software adoption.
This story is just rabble-rousing for the "software ethics" crowd, but software doesn't -have- any ethics, so therefore I call bullshit.
umm... WAP died because the reasons for it (low memory footprint, minimal processing capabilities) were instantly rendered invalid by such advances as System-on-Chip ARM cores which could run 'normal' operating systems and XML parsers... and WAP vendors knew this, and saw it coming, and bowed out of the party so that they could get to the JAVA/XML 0-900 # downloader market as soon as possible...
It's bad that BG and company have broken the law. It's good that BG gives money to charity.
Its bad that people think that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a philanthropic interest with no bearing whatsoever on the business machinations of its founders...
"if you dont know multi-threaded, you're not a programmer", indeed... how about "threads are for people who don't know how to write a state machine"... thats another 'good' sagely programmer maxim.
me personally, i've been programming professionally since 1978, and i still think that debuggers are a fad used by non-programmers to try and 'feel' like they're actually doing work...
you know, engineering is not always about what you do, its about what you don't do.
remember that this particular object will have to have:
a) survived construction on earth b) survived launch and liftoff, and subsequent separations of other stages of the vehicle, c) gotten itself into the specific flightpaths and orbits and such that required it to complete its mission d) stay in touch with earth e) complete its mission f) get back... blah blah blah... &etc.
and you want to add just 'a little more engineering' to it, to make it easier for it to land on the ground.
where, inevitably, the chances of the contents of the collector, a substance we know little about (yet), being dispersed to the winds of earth as a result of collision, will be much higher...
personally, i'd have preferred they put the engineering lab doing the analysis of this material in space, where it belongs and not bothered bringing stuff into the atmosphere...
there is no good time to not refer to something as being '1984'-like, when it is in fact being 1984-like.
that is what literature is for. it is for this reason that books and writing are important. so that you can do exactly that.
my take on the ballons: you know what the U.S. Army and its tradition of 'weather balloons' has done for conspiracy theorists around the world, how can you not see this as a massive cover-up so that we don't freak out when the UFO Motherships start invading... "oh, its just that blimmmmmp.. **Zap**... yes, my lord, reporting to Earth Station Two..."
just kidding. personally, i'd quite happily invest in a high-altitude living habitat instead of, say, downtown Tokyo, so if it ever gets to the point where we can live up there for stretches at a time, sign me up... better cities in the sky than slavery to alien species!!!
but, the same can be said of so many mega-destructive technologies, you know... isn't this supposed to be the 'point' of terrorism and 911 and all that?
that life is freakin' fragile, and nobody should ever get so comfy that they can't deal with planes being crashed into so-called 'safe harbors'?
6. Iraq bankrupts America. World melts down. P safe from apocalypse on his island, and the worlds only working model CF reactor, which is pressed into maintaining "Biosphere 10-a" (built for him by the CIA), big enough to house his harem, a fat load of bitches and riches with which to found a new super race, mostly blonde.
7. Humanity now serves the Pons.
All Hail Super-Emperor Pons and His Magic 'lectric Thingamibob!
... i should mention that the ampfea community is close to being 8 years old... and still going strong. maybe we're only 'small enough' to cover it, though, but still, 8 years of internet up-time serving mp3's ain't bad...
Better yet... pitch in on community-owned server setups, such as ampfea.org which is kinda 'bbs-like in terms of support/financial structure.
We all 'just pitch in' on the monthly bills, and since we know each other pretty well, whenever someone gets a hit and their bandwidth usage goes up, we all know about it!:)
There's really no 'technological' reason these days for small bands of like-minded souls not to continue aimlessly roaming the plains, together... if you know at least 4 or 5 other hobbyist muso's who can pitch in, then just run your own server...
yeah... i read 'arafat' too, but in my mind i saw them scaling that big piling huge hulk of turd^H^H^H^Hfat that is Ariel Sharon... god, what a fatass that man is...
Honestly, it should be illegal for politicians to gorge themselves on fat and blubber as much as it is obvious Sharon has...
Back then, they didn't have anything like that. People were also stupid and believed pretty much anything you told them.
The same is still true of today. Your stance is naive, to say the least, and arrogant to say the worst.
Modern life is as precariously balanced on the precipice of the void as it was in the times of clay pots and scrolls. Our digital 'media' hasn't saved anything, at all.
There already is a 'shopping scent' you can get, and add to air-conditioners for 'refresher/sanitation' purposes, and it works. My friend, a mall manager in SoCal, knows all too well that the state of his air-conditioner drives business.
I agree, also, that we should not promote this behaviour. I find it incorrigible that US companies are allowed to develop/research such things as commercial scent vectors, but yet there is still an "American Morality" about such things as chemical warfare...
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really though, submarines and a mars colony are apples and oranges.
...
I dunno that I'd say there's an orange in that bunch. Actually, I'd say that submarines and a human-sustaining lander of some variety, are pretty much Apples and Apples. The dangers of ocean life to the human body are of equitable orders of magnitude as those same dangers posed by space, as a result of the human body being so darned frail to begin with.
Same fruit, different kind. I think we could continue submarine development {hey, a peaceful use for war weapons, wouldn't that be nice...} and further refine those systems, and end up with pretty good spacecraft.
I bet there's already a fair bit of grafting from the Space and Oceanic Human Sciences realms, anyway, already at NASA
Yes. But for them we just use sharks with frickin' lasers.
Sharks are good in the ocean, lasers are good for killin' shit.
Sharks are also good for killin' shit, I admit, but I dunno about Meglodon. He doesn't look like a shark would bother him that much.
Eh?
... if but for the greenies.
Unless someone's found a decent source of water on Mars, the technology doesn't apply.
Unless someones found a decent source of water on Mars, we ain't going there.
So if we do go there, technology that gives us what we need from water, does apply.
Unless we send robots, of course, but in that case as well nuclear power does apply
As far as the greenies go, well we should use sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads for that situation, but if we send them to Mars, there still better be water...
The Navy has been using submarines with nuclear power sources and life support systems for decades.
... ain't no room for grow rooms in those torpedo bays, aaiiighht!
... ;)
Yeah. That is true. But are they growing their own food?
The Navy isn't self-sustaining. U-boots still need a supply convoy and system if they wanna stay out there
yo. just imagine your grow room scenario on a trident-class submarine
duh. that is so 50's-era.
...
So weird. "Satellite Cameras" are the reason you can buy a cheap CCD at Fry's for $15, right next to the snap-dried ice cream
yeah, this is quite interesting, actually ... i always wonder what it'd be like if we -only- built space suits ... and how far that could really go if we put more energy into it.
...
...
imagine an 'environment' suit you can put on which is good enough to act as the primary housing for the entire trip through to orbit. a suit so good, you put it on, then 'latch on' to a rocket booster, and its all you need to get you to the docking port of ISS2, or whatever
how much 'lighter' could our space transport systems be if we put absolutely 1000% more into human-sustaining suits, i wonder
Lets see NASA put all that human medicine/nutrition knowledge to use, and set up a "Survivor" program in ... say ... Mozambique ... that uses bare-bones scientific evaluation of bio-mass consumption to prolong human survival as long as possible.
... Perhaps we have, perhaps its not useful, but it sure would be interesting to see all the details about human sustenance that an underwater, sealed 'biosphere X' kind of project could provide...
Another idea is ocean habitats. It seems very strange to me that we haven't 'prototyped' long-term human sustenance studies by building an "International Ocean Station" somewhere in the Marianas trench or something
IF we've gotta live for 6 months on de-hydrated/hydroponic foods, lets do it in that other hostile environment we have yet to fully explore, provided by our Oceans, or Deserts, where ordinary 'normal' humans are also struggling to survive...
If they can't download updates to fix their borked system, what other software aren't they allowed to run?
Does a pirated operating system mean "not allowed to run software"?
Thats dangerous territory. Microsoft wouldn't be in the state it is in right now if it weren't for the pirate industry. They have widely acknowledged, countless times over the years, that pirates are a primary driving force behind software adoption.
This story is just rabble-rousing for the "software ethics" crowd, but software doesn't -have- any ethics, so therefore I call bullshit.
umm ... WAP died because the reasons for it (low memory footprint, minimal processing capabilities) were instantly rendered invalid by such advances as System-on-Chip ARM cores which could run 'normal' operating systems and XML parsers ... and WAP vendors knew this, and saw it coming, and bowed out of the party so that they could get to the JAVA/XML 0-900 # downloader market as soon as possible ...
computers really don't have to evolve at the mad pace they have been in the last few years ...
... ;)
its just that so few people respect good software.
when i retire, i'm gonna spend my golden days writing 8-bit code again, just to make the "mega-box" vendors sick
Again ... assuming you could get to them ... what about those guards?
assuming you could get to them. where does it say these sgi boxes were on the 'net?
... Wanking Burger Stuffers are actively consuming large portions of carcinogen-laced fat while filling the ecosystem with human waste!
It's bad that BG and company have broken the law. It's good that BG gives money to charity.
...
Its bad that people think that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a philanthropic interest with no bearing whatsoever on the business machinations of its founders
The parent is an elitist prick.
... how about "threads are for people who don't know how to write a state machine" ... thats another 'good' sagely programmer maxim.
...
"if you dont know multi-threaded, you're not a programmer", indeed
me personally, i've been programming professionally since 1978, and i still think that debuggers are a fad used by non-programmers to try and 'feel' like they're actually doing work
you know, engineering is not always about what you do, its about what you don't do.
... blah blah blah ... &etc.
...
...
remember that this particular object will have to have:
a) survived construction on earth
b) survived launch and liftoff, and subsequent separations of other stages of the vehicle,
c) gotten itself into the specific flightpaths and orbits and such that required it to complete its mission
d) stay in touch with earth
e) complete its mission
f) get back
and you want to add just 'a little more engineering' to it, to make it easier for it to land on the ground.
where, inevitably, the chances of the contents of the collector, a substance we know little about (yet), being dispersed to the winds of earth as a result of collision, will be much higher
personally, i'd have preferred they put the engineering lab doing the analysis of this material in space, where it belongs and not bothered bringing stuff into the atmosphere
there is no good time to not refer to something as being '1984'-like, when it is in fact being 1984-like.
that is what literature is for. it is for this reason that books and writing are important. so that you can do exactly that.
my take on the ballons: you know what the U.S. Army and its tradition of 'weather balloons' has done for conspiracy theorists around the world, how can you not see this as a massive cover-up so that we don't freak out when the UFO Motherships start invading
just kidding. personally, i'd quite happily invest in a high-altitude living habitat instead of, say, downtown Tokyo, so if it ever gets to the point where we can live up there for stretches at a time, sign me up
my scenario 3(a). at least had a reason for dressing up in costumes, sheesh...
but, the same can be said of so many mega-destructive technologies, you know... isn't this supposed to be the 'point' of terrorism and 911 and all that?
that life is freakin' fragile, and nobody should ever get so comfy that they can't deal with planes being crashed into so-called 'safe harbors'?
headsup:
6. Iraq bankrupts America. World melts down. P safe from apocalypse on his island, and the worlds only working model CF reactor, which is pressed into maintaining "Biosphere 10-a" (built for him by the CIA), big enough to house his harem, a fat load of bitches and riches with which to found a new super race, mostly blonde.
7. Humanity now serves the Pons.
All Hail Super-Emperor Pons and His Magic 'lectric Thingamibob!
... i should mention that the ampfea community is close to being 8 years old ... and still going strong. maybe we're only 'small enough' to cover it, though, but still, 8 years of internet up-time serving mp3's ain't bad ...
Better yet ... pitch in on community-owned server setups, such as ampfea.org which is kinda 'bbs-like in terms of support/financial structure.
:)
... if you know at least 4 or 5 other hobbyist muso's who can pitch in, then just run your own server ...
We all 'just pitch in' on the monthly bills, and since we know each other pretty well, whenever someone gets a hit and their bandwidth usage goes up, we all know about it!
There's really no 'technological' reason these days for small bands of like-minded souls not to continue aimlessly roaming the plains, together
Seems to me that Whining, whether its about cheese or church, is just a shitty, godawful, annoying, painful, crappy, blow-hard thing to do.
Quit WHINING so much people! The Culture of Complaining is weak!
yeah ... i read 'arafat' too, but in my mind i saw them scaling that big piling huge hulk of turd^H^H^H^Hfat that is Ariel Sharon... god, what a fatass that man is ...
...
Honestly, it should be illegal for politicians to gorge themselves on fat and blubber as much as it is obvious Sharon has
Back then, they didn't have anything like that. People were also stupid and believed pretty much anything you told them.
The same is still true of today. Your stance is naive, to say the least, and arrogant to say the worst.
Modern life is as precariously balanced on the precipice of the void as it was in the times of clay pots and scrolls. Our digital 'media' hasn't saved anything, at all.
Yet.
There already is a 'shopping scent' you can get, and add to air-conditioners for 'refresher/sanitation' purposes, and it works. My friend, a mall manager in SoCal, knows all too well that the state of his air-conditioner drives business.
...
I agree, also, that we should not promote this behaviour. I find it incorrigible that US companies are allowed to develop/research such things as commercial scent vectors, but yet there is still an "American Morality" about such things as chemical warfare