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Steve Jobs: Redefining The CEO

conq writes "BusinessWeek has a nice piece on how Steve Jobs is redefining the job of being a CEO. From the story: 'Just over a decade ago, Steve Jobs was considered washed-up, a has-been whose singular achievement was co-founding Apple Computer back in the 1970s. Now, given the astounding success of Apple and Pixar, he's setting a new bar for how to manage a Digital Age corporation.'"

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  1. First Post! by Propaghandi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Seriously-in the words of Yogi Berra, could it be "deja vu all over again" for Pixar and Disney. Hmmm-the iMouseketeer!

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  2. Re:Singular by ScrewMaster · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Not as funny as the title, "Redefining the SEO".

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  3. Who is going to top him? by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Indeed, one of the facts of life is that everyone gets topped by somebody who is better, or by somebody who will take it to the next level. That is why I am very intrigued to see who will do that to Jobs. He has already set the bar pretty high, and whoever comes along afterwards will really have to do something spectacular to be noticed, and to earn their name.

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    1. Re:Who is going to top him? by CyricZ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Come to think of it, it could even be he who tops himself! Imagine that! It is not often that one is so great that they are able to reach a level of unparalleled stardom, only to turn around and trump themselves!

      The only way I think it would be possible for him to raise the bar higher would be to sing "It's Raining Men" on stage at the next Macworld Conference.

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    2. Re:Who is going to top him? by wombatmobile · · Score: 1

      Indeed, one of the facts of life is that everyone gets topped by somebody who is better, or by somebody who will take it to the next level.

      Yeah.

    3. Re:Who is going to top him? by tsa · · Score: 0

      Yuch, that's gross, the middle one is ****** in the ***!

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    4. Re:Who is going to top him? by cgenman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed, one of the facts of life is that everyone gets topped by somebody who is better, or by somebody who will take it to the next level.

      Or the next somebody who is roughly as good as you are, once your legend starts getting torn down.

      Remember, Jobs was huge before he was torn down as being a has-been, before being built up again to who he is now. His legend will fade... We like to tear down our heroes.

    5. Re:Who is going to top him? by Deanasc · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I don't think anyone is going to top Steve Jobs. I think that like Henry Ford there will be imitators and skillful managers who stand out. Men like Malcolm Bricklin, John Delorean and Lee Iaccoca will be forgotten long before history forgets the man who changed the face of the earth with standardized parts and the moving assembly line.

      Jobs will definately surpass Bill Gates in the history books simply because his story is so much more dramatic. Found the first personal computer company that goes beyond the simple needs of the hobbyist, get fired by the guy he hired to manage the business, start a competing business that goes nowhere, start another business that breathes new life into a 100 year old art form, get begged to come back to the company that fired you, see both businesses take off beyond all possible dreams. What did Bill Gates do? Bluff his way into buying an operating system early in the game and copy copy copy then leverage market position to unfairly damage new comers and competitors. Don't get me wrong, Bill Gates had a great idea at the right time but I doubt he'd be anything more then a footnote if he had to do it twice in his life.

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    6. Re:Who is going to top him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Balmer is going to fucking bury him! (chair goes whizzing past)

    7. Re:Who is going to top him? by No.+24601 · · Score: 0
      Remember, Jobs was huge before he was torn down as being a has-been, before being built up again to who he is now. His legend will fade... We like to tear down our heroes.

      Oh boo hoo hoo... To be blunt, most of our business "heroes" don't give a shit about the common man (i.e. most of us on Slashdot) saying their legend has faded when they still have several billions in their bank account. That goes to show that Jobs really had his head on straight after his first go with Apple in the 80's and 90's.

    8. Re:Who is going to top him? by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The way he can raise the bar is to turn Disney around. If he turns two large companies around AND starts a sucessful company then he will be even more of a legend then he already is.

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    9. Re:Who is going to top him? by dangitman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You forget that Jobs is an immortal alien cyborg who will never die.

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    10. Re:Who is going to top him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Balmer is going to fucking bury him!

      I think memories of Steve Ballmer will live on as more as jokes than for anything he's achieved. He could easily star in one of those frat-party-house movies. He'd make a good raging drunk. Like really... doesn't he seem like someone ya could sit down, eat pizza, drink beer, and fart with? Some of the video of him dripping wet even conveys smell. Not many CEOs can communicate that in video. What an image. Business attributes? He seems more like a highly driven used car salesman than someone that could be behind creating anything.
      I don't think I'd want his company for beer. He seems like the kinda guy that would spill my beer over and scare off the babes. Ballmer would fit in on one of those weight-loss reality shows, followed by a makeover by the gay team. And then he can go on to do informercials for anti-virus software or something. Or better yet, make Soylent bars for cats, and really be immersed in his product.

      Steve Jobs... what can one say but WOW? Why can't we find someone like him for president? Apply some of that insight to our problems, and tame the terrorists with that Reality Distortion Field.
      Actually I think the Reality Distortion Field is misunderstood. He doesn't take something bad and distort reality, he seems to be able to change reality. He seems to have the ability to throw away what I call "the best car in the junkyard" mentality. That's where people have a frame of reference comparing something mediocre against other things that are more mediocre, and believe they're onto something good. If Windows were the hot dogs of operating systems, a new release would have all the excitement of "Now contains 27% fewer mouse droppings and roaches!". It's like the products from some other companies are so bad, they've got to have a really fucked up frame of reference to see them as good. It's like saying dog shit smells good... compared to cat shit it does. But it's still shit! The recent Q&A with the Microsoft security guy comes to mind. It's amazing what seemed normal and acceptable to him.
      To me it seems it's actually the other managers that have reality distortion. They can't even see when they're wading in shit. It's like the mindset of Windows was bent by being sucked into some blackhole vortex of DOS and it's never crawled out. If they'd kept some mechanism for running DOS programs while COMPLETELY abandoning use of it in Windows, things could have been sooooo much better. So many times since then they could have started with a fresh vision, but it still hasn't happened.

      What company but Apple would have replaced the relatively new iPod Mini with a completely new model (Nano) while the Mini sales were climbing fast and it was the most popular player?

      Steve is so much more in touch with people, and obviously cares about every little detail. Sometimes it seems like Apple put more thought into the packaging (as in cardboard boxes etc) than other manufacturers put into their products.

      There's this popular excuse that goes around, saying that because Apple charges more only Apple can afford good R&D. If what I heard on a weekly PBS business show recently is true, that spending line is a total myth.
      They reported that Apple spends about 5% of revenues on R&D, the industry average is 7.5%!

      The industry problem isn't money. It's lack of vision. I'm sure among the huge staff at Microsoft there must be a number of really brilliant people. It must frustrate and embarrass the hell out of many of them to work there. With such large resources MS should have been able to come up with a dozen brilliantly designed operating systems. Look at Explorer.... MS sued successfully for 500 million dollars for stolen code, and even with that they STILL couldn't make a decent product.

      Compared to Steve Jobs, it seems most of the other guys haven't got a fucking clue. Worse yet, some have behaved as criminals. Intelligence is part of his success story, but attitude,

    11. Re:Who is going to top him? by Budenny · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Gates had an insight which was denied to Jobs. His insight was that to realise the potential of his company, he needed at least one thing to be open. Since the software was not going to be open, becuase he was going to charge for that by the seat, that meant that the hardware had to be open. That was the one thing he could not supply the world with. He needed others to help do that, and he didn't need to manage them as they did it. To see that, took genius of a different order.

      Jobs on the other hand was going to keep his company whatever size it ended up being, as long as he could keep both the hardware and the software closed. However much he could make, that's how many were to be for sale. It turned out to be less than 5% of the market.

      One was a born religious leader who happened to end up in business and ran it like a religion. The other was a born businessman who ended up in business and ran it like a business.

      Gates is in the tradition of Carnegie, right down to his philanthropy. Jobs is in the tradition of....?

    12. Re:Who is going to top him? by jbolden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think its totally unfair to Bill Gates. Bill Gates is like Roy Kroc he invented a model of how the computer business should work.

      1) He moved hard into PCs early
      2) He licensed freely and openly
      3) He didn't use copy protection but rather went for a moral and legal attacks on piracy
      4) He almost tried to be the cheapest software in his quality class, and started price wars as a core business technique
      5) He aimed his products at non hobbiests and non professionals having a vision of "a computer on every desk".
      6) He was patient and allowed products time to mature. Early versions of most very succesful Microsoft products were terrible
      7) He promoted from within and took care of his employees.

      No he was computer visionary in terms of any specific technology but he was/is a business visionary.

    13. Re:Who is going to top him? by iwsnet · · Score: 1

      I would love to know how much time Jobs spends each day at Pixar and Apple. I heard he has a helicopter that flies him between Pixar and Apple headquarters. I wonder if Michael Dell or Bill Gates would also become the CEO of another startup company, even though they aren't CEOs anymore.

    14. Re:Who is going to top him? by kendbluze · · Score: 1

      Eli Whitney is generally credited with being the first to practically utilize standardized parts in manufacturing. Also credited as one of the earliest to use what we now call "mass production" manufacturing methods.

    15. Re:Who is going to top him? by mikek3332002 · · Score: 1

      as long as its not developers, developers, develpers
      Imagine the duel

    16. Re:Who is going to top him? by Deanasc · · Score: 1

      And that's why the cotton gin is so ubiquitous through out the land. No sorry, Ford is why every city, state and nation on earth has spent trillions in the last 100 years to build and mantain roads. Ford changed the surface of the world not Witney.

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    17. Re:Who is going to top him? by kendbluze · · Score: 1

      No disagreement on the scale of Ford's impact. I'm only saying that Ford observed the power of Whitney's use of standardized parts in his operations. I'm talking more about the birth of the concept of std pts, not who leveraged it the most.

    18. Re:Who is going to top him? by Deanasc · · Score: 1

      Then in that respect I have to say that it's Jobs again who deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Ford. Prior to the Apple, computers were all big iron. Jobs put them on the desktop as more then just a flashing lights machine (like the Altair). The IBM PC, Commodore 64 and ZX81 all came along after Apple showed the way.

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    19. Re:Who is going to top him? by Deanasc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bill Gates had nothing to do with the open platform of the IBM PC. That was purely by accident. IBM had failed to maintain control over the market place when they lost the reverse engineering lawsuit with Compaq. Up until then competing computers like the Kaypro ran CPM instead of DOS, a competing operating system. Had IBM maintained a strangle hold on the PC compatible market the story would be completely different.

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    20. Re:Who is going to top him? by MamiyaOtaru · · Score: 1

      Bill might not have caused the openness of the PC, but he anticipated it and made sure he could profit from it by retaining the rights to license MS software to third parties when they inked their deal with IBM.

    21. Re:Who is going to top him? by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      1) He moved hard into PCs early
      I doubt it was for visionary reasons, but because he could make a buck, due to the fact that some relative (I think it was his mom, but I'm not sure) had good connections to IBM, and he was quick enough to buy something for selling it to IBM.

      2) He licensed freely and openly
      Initial bait. Later on he forced hardware vendors to install MS only or else...

      3) He didn't use copy protection but rather went for a moral and legal attacks on piracy
      Initial bait. Now that we're all addicted to his drug, he's Mr. DRM himself.

      4) He almost tried to be the cheapest software in his quality class, and started price wars as a core business technique
      In order to drive the competition out of business. As you can see, his software is ridiculously overpriced now that he completely rules the market on office software.

      5) He aimed his products at non hobbiests and non professionals having a vision of "a computer on every desk".
      His vision of computer on every desk goes as far as him wanting MS tax on every head.

      6) He was patient and allowed products time to mature.
      He was impatient and allowed not even beta quality software to get sold as finished product. None of his software is mature even by now. MS software has gone beyond maturing/ripening, it's now in a state of getting fat, foul and rotting.

      >Early versions of most very succesful Microsoft products were terrible
      Well, actually it's not only the early versions, but that's another story. He and his company never ever once got their shit together to really deliver on their promises, and more often than not ended up buying other companies to write the code for them.

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    22. Re:Who is going to top him? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      1) He moved hard into PCs early
      I doubt it was for visionary reasons, but because he could make a buck, due to the fact that some relative (I think it was his mom, but I'm not sure) had good connections to IBM, and he was quick enough to buy something for selling it to IBM.


      He was there well before IBM, that why when IBM decided to release a personal computer they talked to him about getting Basic support for the IBM-PC (and a few days later when talks with Digital Research broke down about an OS). He had been active in producing Basic on CP/M machines since the Altair.

      2) He licensed freely and openly
      Initial bait. Later on he forced hardware vendors to install MS only or else...


      He's licensing to those hardware vendors. You aren't disproving anything here. They are getting his OS, they are all getting the same version....

      3) He didn't use copy protection but rather went for a moral and legal attacks on piracy
      Initial bait. Now that we're all addicted to his drug, he's Mr. DRM himself.


      Not really. That's coming from his desire to have media content. Microsoft OSes still install and run fine on generic machines, he very well make them require chip sets and charge for windows by charging for chip sets....

      4) He almost tried to be the cheapest software in his quality class, and started price wars as a core business technique
      In order to drive the competition out of business. As you can see, his software is ridiculously overpriced now that he completely rules the market on office software.


      I don't see that. In the early 1990s Office software prices looked like:
      $495 - Word processor, spread sheet
      $595 - database, business graphics

      You can get the whole professional office suite which has about a dozen apps now for under $495. That's not even inflation adjusted. I don't think that's overpriced relative to what other charged.

      5) He aimed his products at non hobbiests and non professionals having a vision of "a computer on every desk".
      His vision of computer on every desk goes as far as him wanting MS tax on every head.


      Your point here is what exactly?

      6) He was patient and allowed products time to mature.
      He was impatient and allowed not even beta quality software to get sold as finished product. None of his software is mature even by now. MS software has gone beyond maturing/ripening, it's now in a state of getting fat, foul and rotting.

      >Early versions of most very succesful Microsoft products were terrible
      Well, actually it's not only the early versions, but that's another story. He and his company never ever once got their shit together to really deliver on their promises, and more often than not ended up buying other companies to write the code for them.


      Millions of people buy their products every day. No one is holding a gun to their head. Obviously they did deliver. Now you may wish the products were different but Gates fundamentally believes that the way to tell of a product is what consummers wants is by seeing if they buy it or not.

    23. Re:Who is going to top him? by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      I wanted to reply in a serious and educated manner to your post, but your final comment just did it for me. Sorry.

      >Millions of people buy their products every day.
      >No one is holding a gun to their head.
      >Obviously they did deliver.
      >Now you may wish the products were different but Gates
      >fundamentally believes that the way to tell of a product is what
      >consummers wants is by seeing if they buy it or not.

      You say: millions buy it = it's a good product.

      WRONG. It's a selling product for whatever reasons. As you know billions of flies eat shit. They can't be wrong! Can they! Shit obviously is delivering! Let's all eat shit!

      Millions of people also thought that the Nazi regime in Germany was a good idea (at the time, and that includes many in the US and elsewhere in Europe as well) and millions now think Dubya is doing a great job and the war on Iraq has not only made this world a safer place (ROFLMAO), but it was a pretty good idea to start with. This just proves that people, in most cases, are sheep.

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    24. Re:Who is going to top him? by Deanasc · · Score: 1

      He pulled that same deal on Altair with Basic. Bill Gates is in fact a one trick pony.

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    25. Re:Who is going to top him? by macrom · · Score: 1

      Gates is in the tradition of Carnegie, right down to his philanthropy. Jobs is in the tradition of....?

      ...Fidel Castro?

  4. Re:Singular by Kuvagh · · Score: 0, Troll

    No.

  5. A new bar? by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Funny

    he's setting a new bar for how to manage a Digital Age corporation

    literally.

    1. Re:A new bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      foobar

  6. Drugs by ilyanep · · Score: 1, Troll

    Tech companies have long been ham-handed marketers. Their best is usually utilitarian or cute (remember ``Dude, you're getting a Dell''?). Yet Apple has consistently stood out for aspirational ads with a heavy dose of counterculture rebellion. The ``Think Different'' series featured John Lennon, Rosa Parks, and Pablo Picasso. The message isn't about trimming costs by 10%. It's this: If you dream of changing the world, we want to help you do it. Jobs even had a hand in writing the copy.

    So...if your ads are on crack then you're a good CEO?

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    1. Re:Drugs by ScrewMaster · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      So...if your ads are on crack then you're a good CEO?

      Yes ... if they work.

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    2. Re:Drugs by boarder8925 · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      So if your ads are on crack, then you're a good CEO?
      It's a lot like classic rock. The more drugs the artists had in them, the better their music was. ;)
    3. Re:Drugs by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      The ``Think Different'' series featured John Lennon, Rosa Parks, and Pablo Picasso. <snip> Jobs even had a hand in writing the copy.

      I wonder which bit of the copy he wrote - was it the 'Think' or the 'Different'?

    4. Re:Drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe he wrote the implied (you) at the beginning.

    5. Re:Drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He probably helped to write the leader text:

      Here's to the crazy ones.
      The misfits.
      The rebels.
      The troublemakers.
      The round pegs in the square holes.
      The ones who see things differently.
      They're not fond of rules
      And they have no respect for the status quo.
      You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them,
      disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them.
      About the only thing that you can't do is ignore them.
      Because they change things.
      They invent. They imagine. They heal.
      They explore. They create. They inspire.
      They push the human race forward.
      Maybe they have to be crazy.
      How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art?
      Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written?
      Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels?
      We make tools for these kinds of people.
      While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius.
      Because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can
      change the world, are the ones who do.


  7. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    he hasn't done a monkey dance or even thrown chairs? How can he be a real CEO?

  8. Behind the Cover podcast by merger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Business Week also has a podcast where they talk with the author of the story to provide a litte more depth. It was a fairly entertaining discussion where they discuss a little of the history of how it all came about and the relationship between Steve Jobs and Disney.

    1. Re:Behind the Cover podcast by benliong · · Score: 1

      thanks, subscribed. :)

  9. NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by CyricZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NeXT did reach a level of stardom within the engineering, scientific, and academic community. However, that was due to their innovative systems, rather than Jobs himself.

    Indeed, if you went into nearly any modern engineering firm or research lab around 1991 or so, you'd often hear about how many of the employees there wanted even just access to a NeXT system, if they couldn't have one for themselves. Often times the price of such a system was quite prohibitive, but those who did have access were often far more productive than their peers.

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    1. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by mrtrumbe · · Score: 4, Informative
      The same could be said about the financial community. Many of the tech, research and trader workstations at some of the large banks went NeXT. (I'm not talking brick and mortor bank branches here--think trading). Same goes for some of the smaller trading firms at the time. Many divisions of UBS went this way in the early 90s.

      Taft

    2. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by jcr · · Score: 1

      Many of the tech, research and trader workstations at some of the large banks went NeXT.

      Yes, those banks made great customers, back in my road-warrior days.

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    3. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
      Google for a video of Jobs demoing NeXT Step. He was a micro-manager even back then. You can tell that the drag and drop, lip service (voice notes), Library and dictionary were included in the OS because those were feature he wanted in a business OS. The amount of NeXTStep in Tiger is eerie.

      A more recent example of Jobs "designing" software would be Keynote which he beta tested for nearly a year before it was released to the public. If software is easy enough for a CEO to use, then it is going to be easy for the average user.

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    4. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      However, that was due to their innovative systems, rather than Jobs himself.

      Jobs is the one that allows people to take risks. That forces the pieces to fit together. That doesn't take the easy way out and expects the consummer to follow along. NeXT was innovative because of Jobs.

    5. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The amount of NeXTStep in Tiger is eerie.

      Not really. Apple bought Next to get its hands on OpenStep.
      NeXTStep -> OpenStep -> Rhapsody -> OSX

    6. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
      Not really. Apple bought Next to get its hands on OpenStep. NeXTStep -> OpenStep -> Rhapsody -> OSX

      Yeah, thanks for stating the obvious.

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    7. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Well if you knew that that what was eerie. Its like saying its the amount of Windows 3.1 in XP is eerie.

    8. Re:NeXT did reach a level of stardom. by thumper · · Score: 1

      However, that was due to their innovative systems, rather than Jobs himself. You can't separate Steve from the systems he is responible for creating. Without Steve's vision and guts, there would not have been great Next products with the attributes valued by the scientific and research communities.

  10. This is a "piece"? by gamigad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, but somehow I expect a link to a story when I hear the word "piece". You know, with more than perhaps 200 words, especially given the subject.

    This is just a short, non-interesting slideshow.

    No news here - move along.

    1. Re:This is a "piece"? by Unlikely_Hero · · Score: 1

      Um...wait...you actually looked for the story? YOU TRIED TO RTFA?!? ...... Are you trying to destroy al that makes slashdot holy and good?...

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    2. Re:This is a "piece"? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No news here - move along.

      Wow, great catchphrase! I think it could replace "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters."

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    3. Re:This is a "piece"? by CheddarHead · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, you knew that after the recent article that unfavorably compared Jobs to Gates that the Apple faithful would have to come up with something in rebuttal. I imagine that the submitter spent hours scouring the web for something suitable. I guess that this was the best that he could come up with. :-)

    4. Re:This is a "piece"? by runningduck · · Score: 1

      Ironically, this "piece" contained more information and insights about Jobs' role as CEO than most full lengths articles on the respective subjects.

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    5. Re:This is a "piece"? by uctpjac · · Score: 1
      I think you're wrong to be narrowly quantitative about this - I was impressed by the presentation and content that they packed into that slide show. That's the hard thing to do: say something of interest _and_ be short.

      Here was what I found interesting:

      should a CEO be a "products" person or a "manager"? I recently sat in at a CEO forum where exactly this was discussed, and I expressed strongly the view that the best company leaders have to understand products and take ownership of them. But - you may be surprised - this was definitely a minority view.

      what usually happens in tech companies is something like this: a product visionary founds a company; if it's successful, it grows fast and the product visionary, being no manager, hands over the reins (maybe if forced to by worried investors) to a pro manager who can manage the process of change. if the company is lucky, this happens without the culture and the vision dying.

      What is impressive about Jobs is that he grew himself from product guy to manager and back to product guy. that is quite a rare ability, let alone doing it _so_ successfully. There is an interesting hint in the slide show about his ruthless business style. This is not something that is very commonly found together with the creativity and visionary qualities you need to get something off the ground. Maybe the combination of those 2 traits is important for the super-hero tech entrepreneur.

      This, love him or not, is something he shares with Gates.

    6. Re:This is a "piece"? by This+is+outrageous! · · Score: 3, Informative
      This is just a short, non-interesting slideshow.

      The actual article is here:

      http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_06 /b3970001.htm

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  11. This sums it up for me by Lord+Satri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TFA is only 7 paragraphs long (with 7 pictures), but this sums it up for me:
    "Other CEOs may focus on finance or sales. Jobs spends most of his time trying to come up with the next blockbuster product."

    He's not there for the money, he's there to change the world. Well, at least, he succeeds in making us believe he's not after the money... Of course, MacOS X is not open source (yet?!), he's running a corporation after all!

    I remember his quote: "Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me. Going to bed at night saying we've done something wonderful, that's what matters to me"
    I don't think a majority of CEO can honestly say this nowadays.

    1. Re:This sums it up for me by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He's a founder. Look what happened when John Sculley came in in the early 90's. We got the Newton, which I liked, and still like, a lot. But we also got to see the American MBA in action.

      The type of accounting and business strategy that for-hire CEO's and CFO's are trained with tells them that everything is about increasing shareholder value in the short-to-mid term (ie, no more than 2-5 years). They are unconcerned with providing value to employees or customers, unless doing so will assist them with goal #1. Even if they think they are working for the long-term success of the company, all the tools they have to put things in perspective are centered around the short-term stock value.

      When Jobs came back to Apple, it was like he was the spurned father called to the hospital when his child was morbidly ill or injured. This company is his baby, and he wants to see it succeed in the long term. He wants products that his customers will slowly come to believe they can't live without, not some flash-in-the-pan fad with the latest buzzwords attached.

      A lot of Silicon Valley CEO's are founders and have this fatherly instinct. They don't get press because they weren't ousted and then called back to fix things. Neither do the CEO's who weren't called back as their companies went to the chopping block.

      If you oust the original founders of the company, it's almost always a death sentence. Apple's board was right to call Jobs back to the helm. But don't think it's something special about Jobs. It's what any company founder should do, and what most would do, because they actually believe in what they're doing.

      Jasin Natael
      --
      True science means that when you re-evaluate the evidence, you re-evaluate your faith.
    2. Re:This sums it up for me by bzipitidoo · · Score: 0, Troll
      Oh BS, as is the article.

      If he's not interested in money, he is most certainly interested in power and influence. So he's "only" interested in changing the world. I dunno, maybe if you spend enough money you can change the world? Wipe out malaria for instance? Yeah, no one should be fooled into believing he's not interested in money. He's sort of like Ed McMahon. He needs people like Wozniak for ideas. Except now, he doesn't want their ideas, he wants them to turn his ideas, however crappy, into reality. He's willing to pay hefty bribes^H^H^H^H^H^Hsalaries, and that takes money. Or at least that's the impression I get. Does Jobs have any technical accomplishments on the order of Wozniac's creation of the Apple II?

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      Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
    3. Re:This sums it up for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all let me say that I love Macs, I even have a new MacBook on order, but categorizing Steve Jobs as anything other than a greedy bastard seems wrong. Gates consistently donates large amounts of money to various charities while Jobs donated less than 1 million dollars over the past 4 years, certainly not something to brag about. In the next few years when Apple really takes off (hopefully) we will see Job's true colors, but until then I would say he is in for the money as much as any other CEO.

    4. Re:This sums it up for me by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Very much true. You see, research is expensive, and often doesn't pay out. Thus, CEO's and boards that are looking simply at the bottom line tend to cut research. They also cut products that are making profits, but 'not enough'.

      But if you're not looking to stay ahead, then somebody will pass you by. Just look at Japanese auto industry compared to the American one. Heck, Sony and the IPod.

      Cutting 'low profit' services can also harm you, as it erodes options and 'brand loyalty'. If I can't get the service I want from my traditional company, I'll move, and then be tempted to move all my other systems over. I use the american railroad system for this one. By cutting the low profit lines, they actually hurt themselves because many companies with cargo to move went entirely to trucks, cutting traffic even on profitable lines. The new system of having modular cargo containers helps now, but it really hurt them in the time of the box cars where you had to unload and reload onto trucks. Personally, I'd of loved it if they did some research into highly automated short trains. Small locomotive run by 1-2 guys, still carrying several times what a tractor trailer can haul, at the substantially higher fuel economy of a train.

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    5. Re:This sums it up for me by macwise77 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But don't think it's something special about Jobs. It's what any company founder should do, and what most would do, because they actually believe in what they're doing.
      I think you've hit the nail on the head, though maybe even more literally than you realize. Jobs is a CEO who has a passion for what he does. He, unlike so many of todays CEO's, managers, and even business/corporation owners, truly thinks to himself, "we have the best thing since sliced bread"; the only difference between Jobs and all the other leaders in business today is that his belief is founded more in truth than not. I know that some may blast me by questioning why Apple only has 3-5% market share if the products are so great.

      I realize that some see scale as proof of ultimate value. I prefer to look at things in context. Sure, generic PC's with Windows pre-installed is all the rage among computer buyers (in general). However, we are in a market that is dollar driven, where the emphasis of our buying decisions has been placed squarely on the price aspect. That doesn't mean that a Ford is better than a BMW. Of course, it also doesn't mean that a Jaguar is better than a Ford!

      My point here is that Apple is so fascinating, and their products so exquisite, simply because the person who has power to make change, both within the company and outside in the world is taking full opportunity to do so. His motivation is not money first (though he seems comfortable being moderately loaded). I believe his greatest asset (and motivation) is that he can sleep at night knowing that whatever he is selling at the time, he truly feels that there's no better alternative. The guy may seem cocky, but I think he's set the bar so high mainly by his confidence to get the job done right the first time. (haha, that's a pun.)
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      Don't you hate people who always repeat themselves and are long-winded and overly redundant and talk too much?
    6. Re:This sums it up for me by feranick · · Score: 1

      "MacOS X is not open source (yet?!)"

      It will never be open source. If that were to happen Apple would out of business. People would be able to modify to code to run on everything. That is precisely what Apple does NOT want.
    7. Re:This sums it up for me by geofferensis · · Score: 1

      I think Mac OS X would be open-source except that it is impossible to tie an open-source OS to certain hardware. The only problem Apple really has with open-source OS X is that people would have it running on non-Apple hardware which would really hurt Apple.

      Darwin is open-source though.

    8. Re:This sums it up for me by Rippon · · Score: 1

      Its easy to say that when your a billionare.

    9. Re:This sums it up for me by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 1

      If by 'donating to charities' you mean 'giving kids Windows computers to get them hooked for life,' you have a point.

    10. Re:This sums it up for me by castlec · · Score: 1

      Of course, it also doesn't mean that a Jaguar is better than a Ford!

      Jaguars are Fords :o)

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    11. Re:This sums it up for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume your trolling, but in any case he has donated:

      * $750 million over five years to the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, which includes the World Health Organization, the Rockefeller Foundation, Unicef, pharmaceutical companies and the World Bank.

      * $350 million over three years to teachers, administrators, school districts and schools to improve America's K-12 education, starting in Washington State.

      * $200 million to the Gates Library Program, which is wiring public libraries in America's poorest communities in an effort to close the "digital divide."

      * $100 million to the Gates Children's Vaccine Program, which will accelerate delivery of lifesaving vaccines to children in the poorest countries of the world.

      * $50 million to the Maternal Mortality Reduction Program, run by the Columbia University School of Public Health.

      * $50 million to the Malaria Vaccine Initiative, to conduct research on promising candidates for a malaria vaccine.

      * $50 million to an international group called the Alliance for the Prevention of Cervical Cancer.

      * $50 million to a fund for global polio eradication, led by the World Health Organization, Unicef, Rotary International and the U.N. Foundation.

      * $40 million to the International Vaccine Institute, a research program based in Seoul, South Korea.

      * $28 million to Unicef for the elimination of maternal and neonatal tetanus.

      * $25 million to the Sequella Global Tuberculosis Foundation.

      * $25 million to the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, which is creating coalitions of research scientists, pharmaceutical companies and governments in developing countries to look for a safe, effective, widely accessible vaccine against AIDS.

      Anyway my original point had nothing to do with the amount of money that Bill Gates donates, it could be anyone, my point was how little Steve Jobs donates.

    12. Re:This sums it up for me by macwise77 · · Score: 1

      My point exactly! I'm glad you have discerned that.

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      Don't you hate people who always repeat themselves and are long-winded and overly redundant and talk too much?
    13. Re:This sums it up for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a clue, Gates donates billions of dollars to charity consistently while Jobs doesn't even make it onto any of the donation lists. For someone that makes as much money as Jobs does he is incredibly greedy with it.

    14. Re:This sums it up for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Publicly donating obscene amounts of money certainly helps people. It can also be a cynical move to buy the respect of the unwashed masses. Quoth Jesus:

      Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

      Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

      But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

      That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.


        - Matthew 6.1-6.4

    15. Re:This sums it up for me by shmlco · · Score: 1
      Your Ford comment may signify more than you know. Ford, in the light of recent losses and reduced market share, needed to do something. So. Did they than announce that they were going to produce the most fuel efficient vehicles in every class, or usher in the hydrogen economy, or even concentrate on making the best damn trucks in the world? No.

      Their solution? To announce that every Ford worker that drives a non-Ford product now has to park in the outermost parking lot, thus providing an "incentive" for them buy a Ford product.

      That's "innovation" to the modern CEO.

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      Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
    16. Re:This sums it up for me by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1
      Their solution? To announce that every Ford worker that drives a non-Ford product now has to park in the outermost parking lot, thus providing an "incentive" for them buy a Ford product.

      Yeah, that'll teach 'em to buy Toyotas. And won't it be great when people drive past the Ford plant and see nothing but Hondas, Subarus, and Toyotas in the employee parking lot. Yup, great marketing there, all right.

    17. Re:This sums it up for me by WeatherMatt · · Score: 1

      For someone that makes as much money as Jobs does he is incredibly greedy with it.

      Yeah, Steve Jobs and his obscene $1 a year salary.

    18. Re:This sums it up for me by eclectic4 · · Score: 1

      "If you oust the original founders of the company, it's almost always a death sentence. Apple's board was right to call Jobs back to the helm. But don't think it's something special about Jobs. It's what any company founder should do, and what most would do, because they actually believe in what they're doing."

      So all you have to do is keep the founders at the helm and they will be as successful as Steve Jobs has been?

      --

      "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel Boorstin
    19. Re:This sums it up for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So only technical accomplishments are worthy of praise and admiration? What do you think this is, Slashdot?

      Oh wait...

    20. Re:This sums it up for me by mblase · · Score: 1

      If you oust the original founders of the company, it's almost always a death sentence.

      Sometimes literally.

  12. Disney by Chromatic+Aberration · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can't believe that the board of directors of Disney is going to include Jobs. Ten years ago I would have said, "When they pry it from Michael Eisner's cold, dead hands." So maybe it's a good thing that people are sitting up and noticing CEOs who aren't just businessmen with suits and a book by Jack Welch.

    1. Re:Disney by jcr · · Score: 1

      Ten years ago I would have said, "When they pry it from Michael Eisner's cold, dead hands."

      Ten years ago, Disney had no prospect of being liberated from Eisner. He'd done an amazing job of packing the board of directors with his supporters.

      Then again, twenty years ago, who thought the Berlin Wall would come down?

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    2. Re:Disney by nomadic · · Score: 1

      aren't just businessmen with suits and a book

      You mean Mormons?

  13. Fundamentally the same strategy as before by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jobs' insistence on controlling all aspects of a product -- from hardware and software to the service that comes with them -- is the new blueprint.

    To be sure, Apple is a unique presence in the world of digital media, but the slideshow picture they put alongside this caption was that of an iMac. As far as computers go, total control of the platform is not a new idea. It is, in fact, the oldest one. That type of solution stretches back as far as the room-sized big iron of the '60s and before, but it was most publicly visible, I think, during the '80s, when several companies were vying for dominance of the personal computer market. Commodore, Atari, Apple, IBM - they all had their own little universes where you bought their hardware, ran their OS, and dealt with their disk format. Each company dreamed of taking over with its own end-to-end solution, but that didn't happen. It can be argued that the market is simply too large for any one company to hope for dominance of that kind.

    1. Re:Fundamentally the same strategy as before by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 1, Redundant

      You've totally missed the parent post's point. It's not unique that Apple has total control of the platform. It's unique that the CEO does. Jobs is not just being a business manager, giving general guidance to the product development groups. He's directly involved in choosing specifications, features, and even physical designs. If you can believe even a third of what's published about him in mainstream sources, he makes decisions about things which could be considered very small details. For example, when the G4-based flat-panel iMacs were designed, he insisted that a white sticker be placed over the manufacturer's label on the hard drives. Why? Because if you look down through the holes on top where the fan is, without the sticker the view wouldn't be "clean" enough.

      You think Michael Eisner sat down with the script to, say, "Pocohontas" and made corrections?

    2. Re:Fundamentally the same strategy as before by Sinistah · · Score: 1

      Dude, were you even on this planet during the 80s? IBM made the PC an open architecture from the beginning. Including publishing the assembly code for the ROM BOIS. MS made MS-DOS available for any clone manufacturer to install on their products. That is why 95% of people reading this are using Wintel systems.

    3. Re:Fundamentally the same strategy as before by iroll · · Score: 1

      Well, that would explain why Disney movies have blown for the last 10 yrs...

      Except for "The Emperor's New Groove." That was pretty funny.

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      Repetition does not transform a lie into the truth. - FDR
    4. Re:Fundamentally the same strategy as before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sooo.... care to explain that whole story about Compaq had to reverse-engineer the BIOS and how IBM flipped out?

      And how IBM tried to regain their control on the platform by creating a new harware bus, only they totally failed it?

      I'll understand if you can't; odds are you were in elementary school during the 1980s.

    5. Re:Fundamentally the same strategy as before by Sinistah · · Score: 1

      The controversy was that IBM copyrighted the ROM BIOS code and didn't want any clone manufacturer to simple copy the chips or type in the assembly code from the IBM doc. Instead, the cloner had to use a "clean room" approach where coders only got the interface specification and had to write their own code from scratch. Phoenix and others did this. In order to prove that their coders were not tainted by seeing IBM code, companies carefully documented the process, in some cases using video tape.

      After the original PC bus (ISA for industry standard architecture) was starting to show its age, IBM designed the MCA (micro-channel architecture) to provide a wider data bus and things like plug and play (software-mapped I/O ports and interrupts, auto-discovery). However, by that time, other manufacturers were defining EISA and then PCI and IBM had lost its influence in defining PC standards.

      What is more, in the late 80s and early 90s, IBM tried to go the proprietary route with the PS/2 (personal system 2) and OS/2. But by then, few customers wanted to buy systems that locked them into one vendor. If you revisit the history of the PC, you will see that IBM made it open from the beginning so that other manufacturers could sell peripherals for it (expansion cards, memory chips etc.) This made is possible for cloners to produce the complete PC.

  14. Source of the quote by Lord+Satri · · Score: 1

    Humm.. wanted to find the source of the quote, before being asked. Looked on Jobs' entry on wikiquote and haven't found it. I must say wikiquote isn't very exhaustive on Jobs' account.

    1. Re:Source of the quote by nick8325 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, googling for it turns up that it appeared in an interview with him in the Wall Street Journal in 1993.

  15. Oh, I don't know about that by maynard · · Score: 2

    I had a NeXT slab way back in the day. It was a good computer. And somewhat cheaper than a Sun, DEC, or HP Apollo workstation. The DSP in the cube was an advance. And the software -- as seen in Mac OS X -- was certainly nice. But no one else was coding in objective C, and X was the defacto display standard not DPS. Still, I really liked it.

  16. Steve Jobs by greyrose111 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Steve Jobs is certainly a mastermind. There's no doubt that he's good at what he does. But the question is, where is he heading? For a long time now, there have been multiple sides to his maneuvering. One theory is that he trying to directly challenge Microsoft. Supporting evidence would be his switch to Intel processors, his continued development of iWork (many think Apple is working on a competitor to Excel), Apple's closed business model and their careful manipulation of the media world. However, to truly become a power player in the computer market they need to seriously drop prices. Another argument might be that Jobs is trying to take over the next big frotier, the TV. Although hundreds of companies have released DVRS and media center PC's, none (except Tivo, which has a monthly charge) have made a product cheap enough and easy enough to make it truly mainstream. Many think it likely that the Mac mini will be converted to a media center Mac based on front row. And then there's the iPod, which by itself has opportunity to explode into a dozen other markets. Many people see Apple entering the cell phone market. Other's see them becoming the single driving force in the upcoming explosion of mobile TV. Still others view the iPod as taking music one step further releasing iPod boom boxes and stereos (this type of speculation is still on the same level however as the Apple TV we kept hearing about). The next year will be the defining era of Apple, will they remain the iPod and high end PC maker, or will they come into the market in ways no one could have forseen in the past?

    1. Re:Steve Jobs by Sinistah · · Score: 1

      > However, to truly become a power player in the computer market they need to seriously drop prices. Ummm... did you read the words or just look at the pretty pictures? It said Jobs is not a cost-cutter but instead is focused on creating new value. I think it's refreshing to have a CEO and a company concerned more with creating and developing new ideas than simply slashing costs on tired technology.

    2. Re:Steve Jobs by jbolden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mention TV. The hot profitable area in TV right now is at the high end and very high end. Nobody is making much money in the >$500 TV market. The PC market may be the same where all the money is made on 5-10% of the sales while the bulk of PCs are sold at fully loaded cost.

      Steve Jobs is not Bill Gates or Michael Dell. If the battle is about price he loses.

  17. What would you ask Steve? by toby · · Score: 4, Interesting
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    you had me at #!
    1. Re:What would you ask Steve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [b]When will Apple come up with a strategy that works and stick with it?[/b]

      Apple's goal is to innovate, that means we have to shift or strategy from time to time so we can deliver the best products to our customers.

      [b]What should I wear?[/b]

      Black mock turtle-neck from Gap.

      [b]Can I crash at your house?[/b]

      Sorry, I promised Phil the couch for the next month.

      Sorry folks, looks like we are out of time... Tune in to next weeks SUPER SECRET APPLE RUMORS for my next podcast.

  18. when 1 page could have been enough by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unbelievable, 7 pages to smear out text that could fit easily on a single page. It takes longer to load one such page than to read it.
    It's scaring readers away. I am not waiting for your page to load, and I am not clicking multiple times to read a single article.
    And while I am at it. Since the invention of tabs, will everyone please stop using links that insist on opening in a new window. I have one window, perhaps two with multiple tabs. And new links are opened in their own tab. But, noooo, sites still insist links are opened in a new window.
    Want to keep me as a return visitor? STOP ANNOYING ME. Stop dictating how I can access your data, if you want me to see it.

    1. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by srothroc · · Score: 1

      Just a FYI, but when you use a browser that is natively dedicated to tabs, such as Opera, instead of a browser that allows you to utilize tabs but does not exclusively integrate them, such as Firefox, links opened in new windows will instead open in new tabs. One of the reasons I prefer Opera, honestly - either I'm going to use tabs or I'm not - and if I'm going to use them, I'd prefer to use them all the way. Whole hog or none, so to speak. I agree with many of the sentiments expressed here in that it seems to be a waste of a front page space - there's no much real information here and it reads like a publicity stunt. Inspirational pictures of Steve Jobs and his creations plus little snippets about how great his is, having risen from the horror of being a "has-been".

    2. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by Vasey · · Score: 1

      Have you ever actually used Firefox? It takes all of about thirty seconds to set it to open links in a new tab instead of a new window.

    3. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Interesting
      So your complaint was that this vacious, airheaded, personality-obsessed article was presented in a particularly airheaded, vacious, design-over-substance way?

      Heh :)

      I thought the entire premise of the article was crap. It reminds me of the Wired "Ten Important Personalities Who Have Something Or Other To Do With A Technology We're Hyping Right Now" type thing (you know the sort? It always includes:

      1. a professor from MIT who invents knew uses for the prefix "Cyber" a lot (Probably Negroponte)
      2. a "hip" CEO of a small "hip" start-up
      3. a particularly stupid venture capitalist who'll put money into anything
      4. a lawyer who "gets it"
      5. a libertarian blowhard
      6. some guy who works at a high level for a giant, gray, corporation who's approved doing research into whatever-it-is and "gets it"
      7. an open source programmer
      8. a senator who once voted against a draconian copyright bill, or some other bill that's currently unpopular (though he voted for all the other ones, a fact not mentioned by the article.)
      9. that guy from MTV who writes a blog about his iPod
      10. Steve Jobs, Bill Joy, or Larry Ellison
      11. Forbes does these types of articles, with a slightly different make up, on a regular basis too.

        Essentally it works like this: The magazine in question doesn't actually know what to write about, and the editors rather like People magazine and other similar gossip rags. So they conclude the best way to bump up sales is to focus on personalities rather than actual facts and information.

        This is BusinessWeek doing their own version. This Jobs fellow is in the news rather a lot these days, I mean he's CEO of Apple and that was kind of interesting because he was fired from Apple and then came back, and now he's also the power behind the throne of the most famous media company, Disney, I mean, he's hip, and we ought to show everyone that we think he's hip. And how better than a content free slideshow? That way our readers don't have to read anything, we don't have to do any thorough fact checking, we can just regurgitate what everyone knows anyway with a few obvious observations, and everyone will read it and go "Gosh, BusinessWeek said exactly what I was thinking about this Steve Jobs fellow, truly they are an insightful magazine."

        This is why I don't read Forbes, or BusinessWeek, and why I don't read Wired any more. (On a similar note, New Scientist's habit of comparing everything to The Matrix in the year I subscribed to them is why I never renewed my subscription.)

        It's called the "media" because it's mediocre.

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    4. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by jcr · · Score: 1

      It's called the "media" because it's mediocre.

      This is why I stick to trade papers like EE Times. It's mostly about technology, and I've rarely seen them report on something that didn't eventually ship (even if it took a couple of years).

      -jcr

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      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    5. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 1

      Yep, the article is utter crap. That is why I went nuts this time. I can to a certain degree tolerate 2 page articles (but please don't do this anyway) if it's decent, but this crappy piece in 7 parts broke the camel's back.
      If it the article is broken up into too many partes, I just open the print version. Usually it's devoted of ads. So I someone thought they could shove more ads through our throats by splitting it up: it aint working

    6. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by tyrione · · Score: 1

      The word you're looking for is vacuous, not vacious.

    7. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      The word you're looking for is vacuous, not vacious.

      Given that the 'i' is next to the 'u' and "vacious" isn't a homonym or even a near-homonym of "vacuous", I think we can safely conclude that he knew how to spell the word and the error was merely typographical.

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    8. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, thanks, I'll correct it in my journal.

    9. Re:when 1 page could have been enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a slide show with long captions, retard, not an article. If the idea of "slide shows" causes you to erupt in hissy fits, they probably don't care about you as a "return visitor" anyways.

      The actual article is linked by another poster above. Fetch.

  19. Invidual vision trumps rule by committee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A focused, strong willed individual in a leadership role almost always excels over rule by committee. You can see it at Apple. You can see it with Linux. You can see it with industrial companies like Old World Industries.

    Entertainments companies in particular are hurt by focus groups and rule by committee. Disney turned out a better product when Walt was still around. Turner Entertainment faired much better under Ted, than under Time Warner/AOL.

    1. Re:Invidual vision trumps rule by committee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What crack are you smoking Re: Linux? For God's sake, do you even use it? Have you tried using Gnome or KDE in the this century? Because, my friend, they are the poster children for design by committee.

      I love Linux, and my last desktop computer was a pimped out Debian box (just sticking to an iBook for financial reasons now), but let's be realistic here: community development = committee development. In many (not all, many) cases it is slow and leads to every kind of feature including the kitchen sink (scriptable instant messaging file systems, skinable boot screen, etc. :P) and only after 3 versions does the basic shit work without editing some hidden config file.

      It's getting better, but it's not focused by any means.

    2. Re:Invidual vision trumps rule by committee by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Apple is just as suit-driven as any other big company. One of my old customers manufactured parts used in various Macs (this was a company bigger than Apple by a factor of ten at least.) They had numerous meetings with Apple's people regarding ways to help the manufacturing process, improve production rates, etc. Now, there were a number of free-thinking people that would show up at these meetings, but as soon as they tried to show any initiative some suit would look at his watch and shut them down. At the top Apple may be an autocracy but from the waist down it's middle-manager city.

      Pretty much that kind of structure is forced upon any business that goes public. Wall Street comes in and tells you how to structure your business (which, from my experience, seems to involve additional layers of management that weren't needed before but are somehow magically necessary) and if you don't play ball your IPO doesn't happen. Frankly, I think that is driving American manufacturing into the ground by adding overhead that it can ill afford in the days of the Global Economy.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  20. The Ultimate Consumer Lock In by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I don't get it.

    Apple is the ultimate consumer lock in and selling your personality is suppose to that alright? I don't like monopolist and Jobs is a greater extreme then Gates.

    I will say, Ipod had got enough potential if Jobs takes that genre in the right direction, to accelerate new tech by consumers in areas where adoption might be slow (like cellphones (or at least the tech) and hopefully change how the tech is used and logical progression of PDA-like form factor (and everything PDA aren't used for today--that innovation doesn't normally come from those kinds of companies-->mindset is too stiffling and too closed, left)).

    Quicktime really really sucks btw. heh

    Disney has the IP but lacks in contemporary performance (a twisted sense of morality) thanks to professionals who want to use the company as a peer influence. The art of telling a good story was killed by imposing politically correct on people who know better. If Jobs does will likely do same thing to Pixar, hype will be predictable same with knowing when to sell. (google anyone?-->has absolutely huge opportunities but is wasting away in stagnation).

    1. Re:The Ultimate Consumer Lock In by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two or more trains of thought in one sentence
      out of place individual words are relevant and can be expanded upon to complete sentences
      syntax is always important

      "the special needs /. troll", disappointing y'all haven't figured that out yet, it's been going on here for years and years.

      Merry xmas you bastards and die you fucking bitches.

  21. Thanks, added now by Lord+Satri · · Score: 1

    Thanks Nick. I tried to be a good 'net citizen and added it to wikiquote.org. Cheers.

  22. different summation by not+goods · · Score: 1

    i thought that what was interesting is that he insists on having something to do with everything. control freaks are everywhere, not all of them are as effective as jobs has been so far. and yes, this "piece" is sadly lacking depth.

  23. Will Jobs stay with Apple? by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The real question is whether Jobs will become CEO of Disney/Pixar. If he does, he'll probably have to give up Apple, and move to LA. Running Disney is a full time job.

    1. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

      He doesn't need to. All the Disney movie department needs (after firing all their staff and replacing them with Pixar, as they already have) is a hit movie every year or so. Pixar has been doing that for about a decade. I don't think this will take up significantly more of Steve Jobs time in the long run than when he was just running Pixar and Apple.

    2. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by Animats · · Score: 1
      There's far more to Disney than the studio and the theme parks. Disney owns the ABC television network, ESPN, and a few minor networks like Lifetime. They own not only the Disney film brands (Disney, Touchstone, Hollywood, and Caravan), but Miramax. They own several record labels, several book publishers, about thirty hotels, and Infoseek.

      Running all that stuff is a full time job, and the current management doesn't do that good a job of it.

    3. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was already offered the job of chairman (or something) at disney, but he turned it down.

    4. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by coleridge78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They also own the third-largest (behind Clear Channel and Cumulus) lineup of radio stations in the United States. iPod Radio, anyone?

    5. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by jcr · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why would he? Disney's a smaller company than Apple now, and it doesn't have nearly the growth prospects.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    6. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      He was already offered the job of chairman
      He'd always be a poor second - a fucking poor second - to Ballmer in that role.
      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    7. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by zoid.com · · Score: 1

      Do you mean will Jobs be CEO of Disney/Pixar/Apple? This makes complete sense. Think about it. Apple is setting themself up to be the premeir media distribution company. Also they will soon be in every living room. I give it 1 year and these apple will merge with Pixney. I can't wait to see Pixney World!

    8. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1


      "He'd always be a poor second - a fucking poor second - to Ballmer in that role."

      Riight. Checked Microsoft's stock chart lately? It hasn't broken 30 in almost four years and the 5 year max is about 36.

      --
      September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
    9. Re:Will Jobs stay with Apple? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Er, Chairman. That's like fucking WHOOSH.

      Oh, and the actual price of a share is irrelevant. Otherwise it would be a bit of a pisser when a stock split occurs, wouldn't it? Phanboi.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  24. Jobs is what a CEO ... by IAAP · · Score: 4, Insightful
    should be.

    Most CEOs are just middle managers who got promoted to the top spot; either from within or were hired from another company. But the thing is, what makes a good middle manager (attention to detail, thinking about finances, day to day stuff) is exactly what makes a poor CEO. To be a great CEO, you need to think about strategy, where your market is going, where there is new markets, ner tech, etc... - Which is exactly what Jobs does. Saying he's "trying to come up with the next blockbuster product." is over-simplifying what he does.

    It's sad that corps have this mentality that you have to work your way up through the ranks before becoming a CEO. But the problem is, what gets you promoted on the lower levels actually hurts you as a CEO. (There's a reason why the average CEO job lasts less then 2 years - they fired.) If Jobs were concentrating an each department's finances and other details, he would have missed the boat on these new products.

    Gates on the other hand, is not a visionary. He is a follower (which can pay off big), but look at MS's strategy: throw money at anything new. Apple on the other hand creates something new.

    I think my point is made and I don't want to turn /. into a MBA class! :-(

  25. Being a knowledgable CEO is "redefining"? by Starker_Kull · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems the main thing that distinguishes Jobs, according to the slideshow, is that he knows his companies' products to the point where he is unafraid to get involved with them at any level from suppliers of suppliers to design to marketing. In other words, he thoroughly knows his business.

    A CEO who thoroughly knows his business redefines what a CEO is? This merely highlights the disease that has infected much of corporate America, namely that you don't have to know shit about your business or product, all you have to know is how to manage people, whatever that means.

    This is about as effective as the idea that you don't have to know jack about math, or physics, or history in order to teach them; all you have to be is a good teacher, whatever the hell that means.

    News Flash: Intelligence, experience, knowledge and motivation are far more important in running a company than an MBA. Steve Jobs illustrates this. News at 11.

    1. Re:Being a knowledgable CEO is "redefining"? by thermopile · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'd say, "Mod Parent Up", but it's already at +5. Cheers nonetheless.

      Another shining example of where solid, technical management has proven to be spectacularly successful: Admiral Hyman G. Rickover. He is single-handedly responsible for building the United States Nuclear Navy, and he did it by getting his hands dirty, looking for and finding the devil in the details, and sweating the small stuff. (okay, I admit, there was a strong cadre of very smart engineers and scientists behind him, but they would never have been so successful without him) In 1982, he gave a great speech about how to do a job right, and how to manage it properly.

      He eschewed fancy management techiniques, deriding them as smoke and mirrors. Simply requiring his subordinates to understand their jobs and holding them responsible, for everything.

      Rickover could never make it today; he was too much of an irascible fellow. I don't think anyone enjoyed working for him WHILE they were working for him. But, then again, couldn't the same be said of Steve Jobs 1? By that I mean the head of Apple Computer from 1976 to 1984. What of those stories where people would get on an elevator with him and be fired by the time the elevator stopped? Or throwing engineers against the wall for falling asleep in front of their computers at 11 pm?

      Teh Jobs has come a long way, and has found another management "front" that allows him to be head of a successful company again. Kudos to him.

      Also keep in mind that Steve Jobs *almost died* from some form of pancreatic cancer a year ago.

      --

      "Diplomacy is something you do until you find a rock." --Richard Pound

    2. Re:Being a knowledgable CEO is "redefining"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are truely amazing. and as soon as you start trying to do there job and get involved in there job and try and control there products you screw things up. Get good people, good teams, good culture. and give them the freedom to create. Jobs gives this new prespective that its ok to be a control freak and micromanage. It wont create a last company. CEO's need to not micromanage because its not there job. there job is leadership and providing it. not doing other peoples jobs.

  26. Art by wytcld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jobs is an artist selling art supplies. For most of their history Macs have enjoyed their greatest success as tools for graphic designers. Design always has required a single, personal vision to succeed. Those great looking toasters and clocks and cars that industry turned out in the middle of the 20th century weren't designed by committee. There were rather a handful of recognized top designers, some of whom spanned everything from streamlined steam locomotives to soap wrappers.

    So Jobs has been an industrial designer producing tools mostly used by graphic designers, who of course are sensitive to good industrial design. That's worked. More recently he's gone into the music/fashion accessories business - also one which melds easily with design, and also one where to top lines always come from a single designer's vision rather than committee. And with Pixar, as the good-looking but shallow-on-info slide show says, he knew enough about "creatives" to keep the teams small and together.

    None of this should be taken to imply that Jobs' success illustrates the right approach for industries in which design is not properly the central focus. For instance, Carter was famously a micro-managing president. Look how that worked out. The Soviet economy was micro-managed from the top (and they even started out as a culture with some very good designers). Results? Nada. The hard-earned lesson that micro-managing is bad still applies across most of the spectrum. Jobs is just fortunate to be in one of the few niches where the generalization fails.

    --
    "with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
    1. Re:Art by No.+24601 · · Score: 1
      Jobs is just fortunate to be in one of the few niches where the generalization fails.

      You make it sound like it is just a fluke that Jobs is doing what he's doing right now. Everything that Jobs has done seem to point to the idea that Job knows very well what he is good at and, unlike other businessmen less smart or smarter than him, focuses his attention at only things he wants to be focused on. Witness the way upon returning to the company, he ditched some of Apple's product lines and there way no indication he was doing this based on anything but the fact that he felt those products were distracting the company away from what it does best.

  27. Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Margaret Whitman's company (Ebay) is bigger
    Larry Ellison (Oracle) has been around longer (without leaving the company at least)
    Eric Schmidt's company (Google) gets an article on Slashdot every few hours
    Steve Balmer's company (Microsoft) sells more Operating Systems

    I guess to Jobs credit he founded a very successful company, then left and it tanked and came back and it became a great company again, but I just don't think that there's no question about him being number one as this article has implied.

    --
    No Sigs!
    1. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by Mistah+Blue · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How much PROFIT are those companies making? Cash is King in my book. A CEO should be judged on PROFIT, not revenue, how big is yacht is, etc. At some point in time, the market will realize a highly profitable company is worth owning and that will be reflected in the stock price.

    2. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by sharrestom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Steve has been able to apply his midas touch to more than a single business. The number of CEO's that came claim that has to be a pretty short list. I'm pleased that he will be able to help Iger at Disney, though I always felt that his rightful throne awaits at Sony.

    3. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By what Metric is eBay larger than Apple?

    4. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by iMac+Were · · Score: 0
      By what Metric is eBay larger than Apple?
      Heterosexuality.
      --
      You thought my name meant what? How very dare you!
    5. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 1

      Well, Microsoft just reported 3 billion last quarter so there's one that's a LOT bigger. Exxon Mobile reported 10 billion last quarter. Apple isn't close.

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      No Sigs!
    6. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Microsoft tanked like apple did, do you think that Steve Balmer would be able to lead the company back to it's former glory, or do you think that Bill Gates will take the helm once more?

      If I'm not mistaken, Bill still has a lot to do with Microsoft, so Balmer is effectively sharing the job of CEO.

    7. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 1

      If Microsoft tanked like apple did, do you think that Steve Balmer would be able to lead the company back to it's former glory, or do you think that Bill Gates will take the helm once more?

      Not sure, the reason I mentioned Balmer is because his company makes the most money.

      If I'm not mistaken, Bill still has a lot to do with Microsoft, so Balmer is effectively sharing the job of CEO.

      Bill Gates is Chairman and Cheif Software architect, but yes he's the founder and very influential at MSFT

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      No Sigs!
    8. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by bsane · · Score: 1

      I always felt that his rightful throne awaits at Sony.

      Maybe you haven't noticed, but Sony Electronics is a mediocre company relying on a name they made in the 80s. They're under the control of a media company from which they'll never escape. They have nothing to offer that Apple can't do for themselves.

      If Jobs is ever running Sony (Electronics) it will because Sony (Media) sells the division to Apple...

    9. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by C-Diddy · · Score: 1

      One of the reasons Apple is successful is that they don't make the fundamental mistake of confusing profit with cash (Apple had almost $9 billion in cash in their most recent quarter). It is possible to have profit and have very little cash; so little, in fact, that one's bills can no longer be paid. Cash is certainly king, but it is even more so if you don't make a profit.

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      "Me fail English? That's unpossible." - Ralph
    10. Re:Is Steve Jobs really the best CEO? by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

      Margaret Whitman's company (Ebay) is bigger

      Only in market cap. Saying eBay is bigger than Apple is like saying Google is bigger than IBM.

      Larry Ellison (Oracle) has been around longer (without leaving the company at least)

      Your point being what exactly? Some companies have been in business for centuries.

      Eric Schmidt's company (Google) gets an article on Slashdot every few hours

      So does Apple.

      Steve Balmer's company (Microsoft) sells more Operating Systems

      Apple sells more computers.

  28. It's great to be right by Jeff1946 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recall reading a story about the development of the IPOD. Several times Jobs looked at the prototype and said, "Change it, I don't like this feature." Because he controlled Apple this could happen even if it caused the schedule to slip and cost $$$. When you are right this is great. On the other hand Henry Ford stuck with the Model T too long, because he misread the consumer's needs.

    Jobs certainly has the ability to judge what will make something become a unique product. Wonder if he will have the same skills at picking movies for Disney to produce.

  29. yeah right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't buy it!

  30. Obviously the voice of experience. (n/m) by jscotta44 · · Score: 1

    n/m

  31. yes it is by 0x1234 · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Sometimes more words are just more words. It's the whole point of Blaise Pascal's famous quotable:

    I have made this longer, because I have not had the time to make it shorter.

    There are alot interesting things in the slide show associated with this piece. For example:

    "Jobs has believed that small teams of top talent will outperform better-funded big ones."

    I think this is a very important lesson that few CEOs of big companies understand. It's why companies like Scaled Composites (Burt Rutan's Company) can accomplish so much with so little.

    1. Re:yes it is by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Sometimes more words are just more words. It's the whole point of Blaise Pascal's famous quotable:
      I have made this longer, because I have not had the time to make it shorter.

      The French have been trying to make up for him ever since.
      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:yes it is by David+Gould · · Score: 1
      Sometimes more words are just more words. It's the whole point of Blaise Pascal's famous quotable:
      I have made this longer, because I have not had the time to make it shorter.

      Or Benjamin Franklin's:

      Please forgive the length of this letter; I haven't the time to be brief.

      --
      David Gould
      main(i){putchar(340056100>>(i-1)*5&31|!!(i<6)<< 6)&&main(++i);}
  32. hero worship by Rage+Maxis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why are people so obsessed with rewarding single people with success of organizations?

    Why is it steve jobs that is responsible for all the success of apple?

    why was it hitler that was responsible for nazi germany?

    Why do humans always have to make everything about one person?

    This is retarded. Companies are people and teams. Not people. Countries are people. Not presidents. Parties. Committees. As soon as people stop making decisions this way maybe we'll start making some progress.

    --
    --- ask me about nihilism, I will have nothing to tell you.
    1. Re:hero worship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey - a fish who can see the water! Very good.

      This is a seriously good point. As to why, the answer is easy - that's how the ego (it's all about me) manifests in the larger society (it's all about one person). A CEO, a president, a king - they are all "super"-persons.

      The rest of us secretly dream of being a super-person; that's why we support the idea.

    2. Re:hero worship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. At risk of sounding awfully pretentious, anyone who wishes some more musings on this subject should read War and Peace - Tolstoy basically dedicates great portions of the novel to arguing a point very similar to the GP's(in the context of military leaders in the Napoleonic wars).

      (Oh, and to the person who said something to the effect of "people need leaders", only a fair bit more rudely: I don't think the GP is arguing that we don't need some form of organization(which might imply leaders), merely that we needn't "worship" leaders whose enterprise happens to succeed - there are many other factors than "leadership" from the very top of the hierarchy. Our society tends to assume that if someone's organization is successful, he or she must be a good leader, and conversely, that if someone is a good leader, their undertakings will necessarily be successful. Neither assumption is likely to be true - in other words, we tend to vastly overestimate the importance of top-tier leadership.)

    3. Re:hero worship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up the word "Leader".

    4. Re:hero worship by dr.badass · · Score: 1

      why are people so obsessed with rewarding single people with success of organizations?

      Perhaps it's because organizations almost invariably distribute rewards in proportion to responsibility. Higher positions within companies are almost always associated with greater accountability for success and failure. The official fiction is that the lower ranks are always working as hard as possible, and that the actual value of the work is determined by the decisions of the higher-ups. Hence, the success or failure of the organization as a whole rides on the decisions of the highest rank.

      This also explains why the primary chore of many executives, managers, and government officials is to quietly redistribute that responsibility for failure ("pass the buck", as it were) among underlings, while enjoying all of the additional reward for success. The most well-respected leaders tend to be the ones that don't do much of this.

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      Don't become a regular here -- you will become retarded.
    5. Re:hero worship by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "Companies are people and teams. Not people. Countries are people. Not presidents. Parties. Committees. "

      Uh, what? You want to run that by me again?

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  33. Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Do you want to sell sugar water or do you want to change the world?"

    You don't come up with cool sayings like that unless you're right into it. (Or unless you have a great PR department, which I don't believe was the case).

    My impression of Jobs is that he's simply entertaining his mania. --He sees possible futures where technology becomes an idealized, humanity-altering version of itself, and he's simply trying to realize this vision by following and then occupying what seem to him the obvious and inevitable steps.

    Is he angling to go head-to-head with Microsoft? I doubt it. Guys like Jobs find reward and adrenalin rushes, etc., through realizing creative vision. Competition and the dark 'joy' of destroying competitors, and the 'joy' of collecting all the money in the world pale in comparison. Jobs is entirely capable of 'losing' to Gates, because winning and losing are of little importance when one's goal is merely to shape and advance. (Even if shaping and advancing mean being a control-freak, which is typical for people like Jobs. Nobody else can see it right or therefore do it right, so why muck about depending on others?)

    Time for a little more metaphysical etymology. . .

    "Gates" - Not quite the same as a door; doors can be opened and closed by regular individuals. A gate implies a door which is watched and controlled by somebody else, one which is designed to limit and control the flow of that which enters and exits. Bill exerts control over the flow of information.

    "Jobs" - Tasks which need doing. Steve follows the work toward his peculiar vision, and then does it, no matter how ludicrous it may appear.

    --His moves will at first seem irrational to the sharks, (and frustrated board members), because he likes to invest and play rather than invest and reap. But then when the circumstances are right and creativity blossoms, he suddenly seems like a genius.

    My only trouble is that he's embraced the idea that people don't like to think outside certain boundaries and want to be coddled, which may well be true. This bothers me, because while he's out there changing the world, I have to live in it. --And I do not like to be coddled or to have somebody else do my thinking for me.

    Candy-coated buttons piss me off. Complexity does not scare me.


    -FL

    1. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he angling to go head-to-head with Microsoft? I doubt it. Guys like Jobs find reward and adrenalin rushes, etc., through realizing creative vision. Competition and the dark 'joy' of destroying competitors, and the 'joy' of collecting all the money in the world pale in comparison.

      Jobs does indeed want to go head-to-head with, and defeat, Microsoft.

      He will probably never admit it, but drives him crazy that Microsoft's shitty, inelegant and crash/problem-prone OS and office suite basically run the planet.

    2. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by sgt_doom · · Score: 1
      Super creativity, Fantastic Lad!!!!!

      Now how about: We need "Jobs for President, and screw Gates!!!"

    3. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by No.+24601 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Time for a little more metaphysical etymology. . . "Gates" - Not quite the same as a door; doors can be opened and closed by regular individuals. A gate implies a door which is watched and controlled by somebody else, one which is designed to limit and control the flow of that which enters and exits. Bill exerts control over the flow of information. "Jobs" - Tasks which need doing. Steve follows the work toward his peculiar vision, and then does it, no matter how ludicrous it may appear.

      Where can the rest of us get the crack you've been smoking?

    4. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
      Candy-coated buttons piss me off. Complexity does not scare me.

      Unnecessary complexity in a UI bothers me especially if what is exposed is all that there is. With OS X, the UI is simple and elegant and lets you get the job done. It is designed (or at least UAT) by a CEO, for CEO's and the average Joe.

      This makes it easy to use for everybody with a limited amount of learning. The people with the most trouble adjusting are switchers from windows which I can attest to being a switcher myself.

      In OSX, the power and features are still there. You can drop to the command line with terminal.app or write your own apps, or write your own finder plug-ins to extend what functionality is exposed. If you are completely unsatisfied with the finder, you can replace it with Pathfinder 4 or write your own.

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      Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
    5. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he also won't admit (and neither will you, I imagine) that programs like MS Word played an important role in the success of the Mac as a viable tool for business.

    6. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by option8 · · Score: 1

      fine. how about you admit that MS software for the mac played an important role in the success of microsoft as a viable software business.

    7. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Sure, but I don't get your point. Perhaps you meant that the existence of the mac played a role in the success of microsoft since it provided them with another platform to develop for.

    8. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by option8 · · Score: 1

      something like that...

      from wikipedia:

      "Word's first general release was for MS-DOS computers on May 2, 1983. It was not well received, and sales lagged behind those of rival products such as WordPerfect."

      "Word for Macintosh [1985] was written to match the Mac's user interface, and as such it had little in common with Word for DOS; it eventually became the source for Word for Windows 1.0."

      "The first version of Word for Windows was released in 1989"

      it was then, only after wordperfect lagged in releasing a windows version, that word for windows became the standard, and sales took off. before that point, it was mainly a mac application.

    9. Re:Measure the man by his basic beliefs. . . by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Yes, MS learned how to make a GUI-style word processor by writing one for the Mac (which made a lot of sense since it was the only popular GUI-based system at the time). Word for Macintosh was, however, created by MS, not Apple, so I don't see any great debt owed to Apple with respect to it.

      Obviously Apple had smart enough talent to create their own full-featured word processor, but Applle must have decided that letting MS dominate was in their best interest at the time.

      As for WordPerfect, they let their ego overcome their business sense and it cost them.

  34. Celebrity CEO Death Match! by Danborg · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd like to see Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs in some kind of TV trivia game show for charity.
    Here's the twist: Bill would have to answer questions about Apple, and Steve would have to answer questions about Microsoft. They are both keen competitors, I think many would be surpised at how much they knew about each other's business. And to avoid bruised egos, both charities would "win" with a large prize at the end. Wouldn't that be cool?

    1. Re:Celebrity CEO Death Match! by C-Diddy · · Score: 1

      I like your idea, but Bill Gates isn't CEO of Microsoft any more. It's Steven Ballmer. The contest would still be informative and cool, but I'm afraid Ballmer will have Jobs on the robes with his "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS" aerobics.

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      "Me fail English? That's unpossible." - Ralph
  35. Role Models. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Insightful
    why are people so obsessed with rewarding single people with success of organizations?

    Because most people in their lives simply manage to get to work on time, do as they are instructed, and pay their taxes. This behavior pattern does not inspire much of anything to the casual on-looker.

    Having a "vision" isn't uncommon. Uncommon, however, is the person who is brave and strong and skilled enough to go about realizing it.

    Many people strive to be so capable, and thus they look up to those who have managed it. Role models are what they are for this reason, or so I think.


    -FL

  36. Re:Yeah, what a guy by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 0

    3% yeah, but it's the top 3%.

    --
    "Sufferin' succotash."
  37. How about that RDF? by ewe2 · · Score: 1

    Man, has to be the biggest thing I ever saw, swallowing up sober journals like BusinessWeek.
    The metoo's are clustered around adoringly because he hasn't said BOOGA WOOGA this week...

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    insecurity asks the wrong question irritation gives the wrong answer
  38. Same success formula at Google. by guidryp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The biggest factor that I see is recognition of top talent. This is essentially the same thing I see Google doing.

    "Jobs has believed that small teams of top talent will outperform better-funded big ones. He has used the same approach at Pixar, where creative chief John Lasseter has led the way in creating blockbusters like Toy Story and Finding Nemo. Jobs also outsources far more selectively than his rivals. He'd rather have all his creatives working together than save a few bucks by outsourcing such work overseas."

    I work designing telecom software and I see the opposite. Software personal here are hired and managed like cattle. They throw bodies at problems and the cheaper the bodies, the better(we are currently ramping India and China labs while downsizing Texas labs). They create a process that is aimed at the lowest common denominator and that is the result it has, lowest common denominator performance.

    If you want to be the best, you hire the best and remove obstacles from their path, and demand their best.

    I have occasionally had the priviledege to work in an environment that empowered the talented employees and encouraged them to do great things. It is amazing. But those days are gone now.

    Some have an almost accusatory tone when referring to Jobs micromanaging. I think of it as taking a direct interest in the quality and showing it. Encouraging his people to do great things.

    I would rather be encouraged by a perfectionist wanting great things, than the mindless hordes of management graduates with decks of powerpoint slides and MS project plans indicating when every piece is projected to be done by the headcount. Mindlessly they shuffle bodies around when reality doesn't line up to projections.

    Building leading technology will always be a least partially like producing great art. It will be the domain of creative driven talent, not commodity bodies monitored in MS project plan.

  39. Losers. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Interesting
    He's conquered a whole 3% of the computer market. What a huge success. Not only that, but he's given away tens of thousands of dollars to charity, if you count Democratic politicians as charities.

    He's a bigger loser than he was a decade ago.


    Loser? When you're not in the game to 'win', losing only means not being able to continue playing.

    One of my favorite personality types is the one which pisses off guys like you by not caring about winning or losing in the boring conventional terms so many people think hold validity. Creativity is everything. Greed is a disease. --This, I believe, is a Universal truth which shapes our reality, and once you figure it out, you can fly.

    There's a reason why a fellow who has only 'conquered' 3% of the computer market is such a recognized name. It's because he's learned one of the key secrets of life; how to have fun while everybody else is agonizing over which way the ball is being kicked.

    Who would you enjoy meeting more at a party? --A boring conservative money-getter, or a 'loser' who isn't scared to dream and get excited about it? All my friends are technically 'losers', but they live happily, without fear or want, and they light up the world. All the money-getters I've met, by contrast, are like pre-fab appliances with 2-dimensional social skills. These are the 'winners'. Hmm.


    -FL

    1. Re:Losers. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
      You, so I could tattoo a lesson about punctuation onto your fat butt.

      Hm. I generally only rag on people about poor spelling and grammar, etc., when I cannot understand what it is they are trying to say.

      Sounds to me rather like you don't have anything intelligent to respond with to what I was putting forth. --But rather than admit this to me (or yourself), you prefer to sink to making unrelated attacks which border on the physically threatening. This behavior is sadly typical of the conservative mind-set. Conservatives are generally mentally or spiritually deficient in some very text-book manner.

      But then, I'm making assumptions. Perhaps you just have trouble with adaptive reading comprehension.


      -FL

    2. Re:Losers. . . by lpangelrob · · Score: 1
      All my friends are technically 'losers', but they live happily, without fear or want, and they light up the world. All the money-getters I've met, by contrast, are like pre-fab appliances with 2-dimensional social skills. These are the 'winners'. Hmm.

      This... doesn't strike me as the best way to categorize people. Especially considering the next post where you describe conservative people as being lacking.

      Everyone has their quirks, and when you're talking about groups of people of course some levels of generalization have to take place. But everyone I've met and known has something that makes them tick, and fulfilling that portion of their lives benefits them and others, even if they happen to make money in the process... if they're lucky enough to have a choice in the matter.

      Example: I'm fairly geeky, contribute to Wikipedia, am fascinated with the U.S. Highway System, like my job, work on a PowerBook G4, listen to jazz, go to church every Sunday, am a registered Republican, own a Labrador Retriever and am committed to Honda Civics for the rest of my life (not really).

      If that means I'm lacking something... you would know better than I. I'm just enjoying the ride and trying to help people while I'm at it.

  40. An yet he won't give me an autograph. by Wallstreetfighter.co · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have been trying to get his autograph for 15 years. Now I think he's risen to a level that it will be impossible. There is going to be a big hole in my autographs of people that wear turtlenecks every day.

  41. How naive are you? by jamrock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "why are people so obsessed with rewarding single people with success of organizations? Why is it steve jobs that is responsible for all the success of apple? why was it hitler that was responsible for nazi germany? Why do humans always have to make everything about one person? This is retarded. Companies are people and teams. Not people. Countries are people. Not presidents. Parties. Committees. As soon as people stop making decisions this way maybe we'll start making some progress."

    Here's a news flash for you: the vast majority of the human race needs some sort of direction in any organizational enterprise. The guy ultimately responsible gets the credit for the organization's success, but he also gets the blame should things go wrong. The perfect example is the crew of a ship. Sure the crew all know their jobs, or should, but it's up to the captain to make sure that the jobs are being done to the benefit of the ship and crew. He's the one who has to decide where the ship is going; how best to get there; use the resources aboard, material and human etc. Sure, the other officers can give him the best advice, even the correct advice, but ultimately, somebody has to make the decision. And if you think you can operate a ship by committee, you're sadly mistaken.

    It's not a matter of obsessively rewarding single people with the success of the enterprise, it's about having a focus of direction and responsibility. Your suggestion that progress can be made without such a focus is simplistic to say the least. In an anarchistic society who makes the decisions about garbage collection, public safety, environmental protection, legislation etc? And don't be so naive as to suggest that we'll all just group hug and sing "Kumbaya" and the good inherent in humanity will magically make these things sort themselves out. The average human is more than willing to pass the buck and let somebody else worry about this stuff.

    1. Re:How naive are you? by dangitman · · Score: 1
      you have to watch the recent "booze cruise" episode of The Office:

      Michael: "Leader - Ship. The word "ship" is hidden in the word "leadership." As its derivation. So, if this office is in fact a ship, as its leader, I am the Captain."

      (puts Captain's hat on)

      "But ... we're all in the same boat. Teamwork! Now, on this ship which is the office, what is the sales department? Anyone?"

      Daryl: "How about the sales department is the sails?"

      Michael: "Yes, Daryl. the sales department makes sales. Good. Let me just explain. I see the sales department as the furnace."

      interjection: "Yeesh, how old is this ship?"

      Pam: "How about the anchor?"

      somebody else: "What does the furnace do?"

      Michael: "Alright, let's not get hung up on the furnace. it's ... just ... I see the sales department are down there in the furnace, and they're shoveling coal into the furnace, right? I mean, who saw the movie Titanic? they were very important in the movie Titanic. Who saw it? Show of hands."

      worker: "I'm not really sure what movie you're talking about. Are you sure you got the title right?"

      Michael: "Titanic!"

      Pam: "I think you're talking about the Hunt for Red October."

      Michael: "No! ... I'm ... Leo DiCaprio! Come on!"

      worker: "Everyone in the engine room drowned."

      Michael (sarcastic): "Thank you, spoiler alert!"

      Michael: "You saw the movie, those of you that did ... y ... y ... y ... they're happy down there in the furnace room. i mean, they're dirty and grimy and sweaty, and they're singing their ethnic songs... Actually, that might be Warehouse."

      worker: "What?"

      Michael: "Th ... the ... no ...no I didn't ... OK, well, in a nutshell ... what, what I'm saying is leadership. We'll talk more about that on the boat."

      Dwight (saluting): "Aye, Aye, Captain!"

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
  42. Re: Are humans the dominant species on Earth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You know, everybody says humans are the dominant species on Earth. But I question that.
    Cheetahs run faster.
    Gorillas are stronger.
    Giraffes are taller.
    Dolphins are smarter.

    I guess to the humans' credit, they founded some very successful cities, sometimes they wreck them in wars but they become great cities again, but I just don't think there's no question about them being number one as the conventional wisdom implies.

    -----

    The point of this post is what makes Steve Jobs successful may be what makes humans successful: The ability to come up with a vision and integrate many abilities into a new combined ability that's more powerful than any individual ability. Commentators often refer to Apple's products that way: They're not the best at any one thing, but they're so consistently thought out and integrated that they end up working better, easier and in more generally reliable and appealing way than most competing products.

  43. Journalism has turned to shit by blair1q · · Score: 0

    Seriously. That was a 'nice piece'?

    It told us two things: 1. Jobs micromanages and 2. Jobs prefers small teams.

    Whoopee. But, there's nothing revolutionary there.

  44. Is this the digital age? by GregBryant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    During the Internet boom, we thought that computer companies would become fair places to work. Post-boom, we think that blogs & transparency will take over the world. But Jobs fires whole departments from Apple when there's a leak in some insanely trivial product announcement. The place is a dictatorship. Some of their products are ok, especially compared to products from other dictatorships. But I hardly think the Slashdot crowd, impressed by technical achievements & the promise of digital liberation, is interested in celebrating mean capitalists who run private tyrannies. If he represents the future, it's going to be terribly unpleasant in the digital age.

    1. Re:Is this the digital age? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Great men are rarely good men.

  45. Jobs will stay with Apple by guzzirider · · Score: 1

    I don't see Jobs micromanaging Disney. The big question here is what is his influence going to be. Friends now remember that Disney are the bastedes that are driving copyright law into perpetuity. Now like it or not at least in the traditional corporate sense this would seem to serve Disney's interest.

    Now just who is going to stand up at Disney and say "It is now time for Mickey to enter the public domain" OR " it's great that a customer can buy a copy of Fantasia on a DVD and play it for ever" (granted we all know that 4ever and DVD is total BS). Do you really think Jobs is going to stand up and try that in the Disney culture?

    Granted I hope Jobs will influence Disney's culture into some thing modern. I will not hold my breath.

    Will there be an Ipod with the "Ears" ?

    1. Re:Jobs will stay with Apple by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Do you really think Jobs is going to stand up and try that in the Disney culture?

      I could see it. Disney vault is exactly the kind of thing that consummers (parents) might be willing to pay for hardware to get access to. Give away the movies more than 20 years old, to get a lock to TV.

      I can think of many scenerios like that. Jobs has vision beyond "more of the same".

  46. Too much credit to Jobs for Pixar? by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it was very savvy of Jobs to buy the computer graphics division of LucasFilm to create Pixar, but it's John Lasseter who made Pixar what it is today.

    One could argue that a large part of Pixar's success has been Job's willingness to stay out of day-to-day operations and concentrate on the business side.

    1. Re:Too much credit to Jobs for Pixar? by mcdesign · · Score: 1

      I think it was very savvy of Jobs to buy the computer graphics division of LucasFilm to create Pixar, but it's John Lasseter who made Pixar what it is today.

      One could argue that a large part of Pixar's success has been Job's willingness to stay out of day-to-day operations and concentrate on the business side.


      Job's sinking another 50 million in Pixar, to keep the whole operation afloat, while it wasn't making any money helped a bit as well.

    2. Re:Too much credit to Jobs for Pixar? by rjung2k · · Score: 1

      "One could argue that a large part of Pixar's success has been Job's willingness to stay out of day-to-day operations and concentrate on the business side."

      Mr. Tulip: "From what I hear he mostly doesn't do a ---ing thing!"
      Mr. Pin: "Yeah. One of the hardest things to do properly."
      -- The Truth, Terry Pratchett

  47. A much more informative article about Jobs by 5plicer · · Score: 1

    Read the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of this article.

    --
    The bits on the bus go on and off... on and off... on and off...
    1. Re:A much more informative article about Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Agreed.. This rewriting of Jobs history in the computer industry is pure flatulence, a lot of thunder but if you get up close to examine it in depth, it smells ..odd.. If someone wants to praise Jobs' accomplishments in light of the facts, you ought to try to read a good book or two on the subject. Like this one or this one

      All I can say is Jobs' reality distortion field effect is alive and well in 2006. who'd a believed it..

    2. Re:A much more informative article about Jobs by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      It never ceases to amaze me that all these years later the only people still pissed off about the whole thing between jobs and woz are people who weren't involved and have no emotional stake in it whatsoever except their need to vilify steve jobs.

      --
      T Money
      World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
  48. Re:Yeah, what a guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess Ferrari is an even bigger loser, since they don't even have
    close to 3% of the car market

  49. Singular, indeed. by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed, Jobs says with pride that Pixar has made the tough call to stop production at some point on every one of its movies to fix a problem with a storyline or character. "Quality is more important than quantity, and in the end, it's a better financial decision anyway," Jobs told BusinessWeek last year. "One home run is much better than two doubles," he said, explaining that then there's only one marketing and production budget rather than two.

    This is a profound statement of commitment and speaks volumes not only about Pixar's approach to technology, but Apple's as well. Apple's focus on Mac OS X and a high quality experience with all of its hardware--from iMac to Powerbook to Powermac to iPod nano to iPod video--is the product of a singular mind. We've all heard about Jobs' influence on all aspects of product development and what strikes me is how the above quote resembles Apple's notorious commitment to a single-button mouse. It's almost as if a one-button mouse is a metaphor in hardware for the singular attention Jobs, (hence) Apple, and Pixar devote to its products.

    I hope we see a new Disney come out of this merger more than we see a new Pixar.

    --
    blog
    1. Re:Singular, indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It also shows that baseball metaphors are dangerous.

      One HR = 1 run, bases cleared

      2 doubles = 1 run, 1 runner in scoring position, as long as the doubles occur in the same half-inning.

    2. Re:Singular, indeed. by iroll · · Score: 1

      But which one sells out the stadium?

      Home Runs, my friend.

      --
      Repetition does not transform a lie into the truth. - FDR
  50. I dislike his basic beliefs. . . by argoff · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I dislike his basic beliefs. Contrary to popular belief, he does not have a special vision other then create proprietary stuff that looks pretty so a to sucker people into buying it. He is different in that he understands that his role is that of a PR firm and not a technology company, but IMHO, that is not a good thing.

    Maybe his "audience" does't mind being suckered into costly proprietary stuff that constantly becomes obsolete, but in the big picture he is really a drain. Even worse, he is a bigger distraction to the things in technology that matter - like freedom from controll. A concept the pretty proprietary world may never grasp.

    1. Re:I dislike his basic beliefs. . . by Moofie · · Score: 1

      So you value "freedom from control" over "good design". Fair enough. However, assuming that only "suckers" have a different value system is pretty stupid.

      Nobody's going to come to your house and take away your computer, dude. Take a deep breath.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    2. Re:I dislike his basic beliefs. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose you could say that buying "proprietary stuff that looks pretty [and which] constantly becomes obsolete" constitutes a "different value system." But, that doesn't preclude individuals from being "suckers." While Apple makes some nice computers, the company operates on the same principals as every other company pushing proprietary products. This includes creating enticements to lock customers into specific products, formats, and product cycles.

      I can't say I blame him for shunning the Apple flavored KoolAid. Nobody's going to come to your house and take away your iPod, dude. Take a deep breath.

  51. Heavy Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >However, to truly become a power player in the computer market they need to seriously drop prices.

    Ummm... Apple is NOT a power player in the computer market? On which planet? Is Gateway a power player? Cuz Apple is far bigger than Gateway.

    Macintosh sales were up 20% in the last quarter, iPods won't stay on the shelves and Apple profits almost DOUBLED last quarter....

    And you want to give Steve Jobs advice?

    This is why you are commenting on /. and Steve Jobs in running Apple.

  52. Re: top three percent -- best of everything by johnrpenner · · Score: 1


    'the top 3 percent' -- exactly -- as cringley said it in 'the best revenge'.

    When Gates speaks about winning he means WINNING, the whole enchilada, mastery of the universe. At this point in his career, every thought that comes out of Bill Gates' mind is grandly strategic. Steve Jobs, on the other hand, thinks solely in terms of tactics, not strategy. His wins are today, tomorrow, next week, next quarter. He revels in every little chance to push people around and make things the way he wants them to be. He can't help it. It was a bad strategy, for example, to snub Gates with Vanity Fair, but in the tactical mind of Steve Jobs, it was brilliant.

    In Steve Jobs' mind, he has already won. Those of us who last for a few decades in this business find our own kind of peace and Steve Jobs' is best exemplified by the George Herbert quote, "Living well is the best revenge." Apple's future as a boutique computer company is secure. He dominates Apple completely. When he doesn't feel like being a high tech mogul, he can be a movie mogul, something Gates will never be.

    In Steve's mind, he has the best of everything. Apple software is cooler than Windows will ever be. Palo Alto, where Jobs lives, is trendier than Seattle. Even Jobs' plane, a Gulfstream V, is cooler than Gates' Challenger 604. It goes on and on. Gates has never even considered this latter point, but I'll guarantee you that Jobs has, and he revels in it.

  53. Micromanagers by 7Prime · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For instance, Carter was famously a micro-managing president. Look how that worked out. The Soviet economy was micro-managed from the top (and they even started out as a culture with some very good designers). Results? Nada.

    The two examples of which you spoke aren't very fair, to say the least. Carter didn't fail as a president because he tried to micromanage (in fact, that's one thing I really appreciate about him), he failed because he did not find his legs in Washington, and couldn't communicate with politicians to save his life (not neccessarilly a bad thing, but a bad thing if you are one). The USSR was never designed to be micromanaged, in fact, the original philosophy was completely opposite. But one person changed all that, Stalin, of which all the original revolutionaries hated and advised the party not to trust. Unfortunately, the politician most suited for the job, Trotsky, was hunted down and killed by Stalin, who basically took over the country by force. There is little doubt that if Trotsky had become the rightful leader, as Lenin had suggested, there would have been no cold war. Fear of communism only started AFTER Stalin entered the picture. Fascists have to micromanage to stay in power. But that's not to say that micromanaging can't be used for a possitive outcome.

    --
    Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
    1. Re:Micromanagers by eraserewind · · Score: 1

      Yeah right, nobody had any fear of the Communist global revolution until Stalin entered the picture. Dream on. 6m+ people died under Lenin's misrule. The only person he looks good in comparison to is Stalin.

      As for Trotsky, he was the one who transformed the Red Army from a ragtag bunch into an efficient fighting machine with the same top down structure as any other modern army. He had special units created to gun down people ("the workers", remember them?) retreating. The only reason people have sympathy for him is becasue he was assinated by a bad guy (and therefore must be good). I'm sure his premanent revolution would have been fun to live under.

  54. Nothing has been re-defined - just re-inforced. by dustpuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In my opinion, the CEO role is more about being a leader, not a manager (that's what your underlings are for). Steve Jobs is leading. He's showing vision and implementing it.

    Most CEO's these days are nothing more than managers - they worry about the bottom line, their idea of raising profits is limited to cost cutting, and basically spend their time looking back at the last quarters results (to see where they can cut more costs) than looking forward.

    So no, I don't think Steve Jobs is 'redefining' the CEO role - I think he's merely showing up how crap most CEOs actually are.

  55. The Woz by Katate · · Score: 1

    I predict that Woz will make a reappearance in the Apple company sometime in the near future.

  56. Ballmer? You have to be kidding. by PrimeNumber · · Score: 1

    Ballmer is a nothing more than a glorified cheerleader.
    And if you dont believe me, take it from someone who works at Microsoft.
     
    The only reason he has his job is because he was Bill Gates poker buddy at Harvard.

    1. Re:Ballmer? You have to be kidding. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Ballmer is a nothing more than a glorified cheerleader.
      Spielchuckers aren't infallible. You meant "chairlobber", right?
      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  57. Slow News Day? by zo219 · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has a nice story today redefining the word "piece."

  58. focus, focus, focus by randyjg2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I knew Jobs back in the early days (and again, several times later in his career.) His one real obvious talent was the ability to focus, stay focused, and keep the people around him also focused on the task at hand.

    For some reason, that always seems to disappoint people. They wanted some sort of magic, focusing on any bright shiny slogan or technology associated with the current project. People expect CEO's to put on a great show, it is practically a job definition (no pun intended) these days.

    Most CEO's are chosen because they look and act like CEOs. Jobs sets a high bar simply by adding the ability to concentrate on the job to that short list.

    Take a look at other CEO's in this class, such as Mark Hurd when he was at NCR. Same thing; FOCUS.

    No matter how knowlegable, how micro managing a CEO is, he or she cannot have a significant effect on a corporation directly; there is only 24 hours in a day, and only so much they can do.

    But CEO's set the tone for a company. What they value, the company values. And if a company values focus, then the efforts of members of the company are all directed towards the same goal, and thats where success comes from.

    Not a magic slogan of "saving the world", not some high fashion techtoy, not some secret mastery of arcane knowledge. Jobs could have as easily been a complete dummy running a company producing coathangers in Nebraska, whose motto was "grab it all, control it all, squeeze it till it bleeds", and he still would have suceeded, because a small army of people, focusing on a goal, will always win against a much larger, unorganized mob.

    People forget that CEO's are, first and foremost, leaders, and the job description for a leader is pretty simple... LEAD!(i.e. get everyone going in the same direction.) Every other definition is just smoke and mirrors, no matter how much everyone would like to believe that it is more than that.

  59. Puff piece article by Classic+Novels · · Score: 1

    This is a pretty lame article that's just capitalizing on Apple's currently being in vogue. The type of lazy journalist that inhabits these mags won't ask tough questions like why is Apple not jumping on the chance to dual boot OS X and Win XP and capture the Intel market

  60. Really? by beforewisdom · · Score: 1

    Really?

    There have been a number of articles and interviews over the years stating that he has temper tantrums at his employees. I saw one video interview where he admitted it and said he did not have a problem with it as his people knew they were good.

    He has accomplished a lot as a CEO, but other CEOs have had similar accomplishments to his and they have done so while behaving like adults.

  61. Apple is a $16B+ company by Stu+Charlton · · Score: 1

    $16B+ in revenues annually. That's 4x eBay's current revenue and 3.5x Google's current revenue.

    eBay's market cap is slightly higher at the moment, and Google's is in the stratosphere (does it really deserve to be valued more than IBM??)

    Having said that, eBay and Google are more profitable, and Google is growing revenue faster. Apple's current 60%+ quarterly growth needs a new hit product to sustain.

    --
    -Stu
  62. -- he's a complete asshole

  63. Correction by Zebra_X · · Score: 1

    "he's setting a new bar for how to manage a Digital Age corporation."

    he's setting a new bar for promoting a Digital Age corporation.

  64. Re: Are humans the dominant species on Earth? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 1

    Oh come on. According to your analogy, Steve Jobs is a human, and Larry Ellison is a Gorilla? Give me a break. Jobs is good, but he's not the best in my opinion. Even if you believe he's the best, you can't say that everyone else is monkey when compared to him.

    --
    No Sigs!
  65. Oh Puhleeeeze! by bursch-X · · Score: 1

    You all are so full of shit. How do you know Steve Jobs hasn't given large sums of money to the charities? Did you get secret information about his bank account?

    So, Bill Gates makes a fuss about how charitable he is, so he is a good man, because he gives in a fashion that everyone can see and hear him doing so? I tell you what:

    What a FUCKING EGOMANIC ASSHOLE, if he has to tell the world when he does some good. Maybe he needs to do, because him doing good ist such a fucking rare thing!

    Neither you nor I do even have the faintest idea how much S. Jobs or anyone else is giving to charity. Just because they don't announce it publicly doesn't mean they don't give and certainly it doesn't make them worse people.

    If this is going to be the intellectual level of discussion on slashdot, from now on, then my friends and neighbours it's all over.

    --
    There are two rules for success:
    1. Never tell everything you know.
  66. Re: Are humans the dominant species on Earth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah geez, I actually have to explain this?

    You read my analogy too literally. I was not directly mapping each CEO to a specific animal. I was comparing the definition of "best" meaning "the best at one specialized ability" versus the definition of "best" as "the best overall performer." The parent post seemed to think that it was better to be great at only one thing than pretty darn good at a lot of things, and I thought I'd reference a well-known explanation for humanity's success that has been advanced by scientists long ago: that humans were successful because we were pretty good at a lot of things, even though we were never the best at anything.

    Sorry you'd never heard of that.

  67. Manage a team & you'll see... by lwagner · · Score: 1

    For all of history, anyone who has ever been charged with leading a team to do anything... go into battle, perform sports, develop the next groundbreaking program, etc. knows that:

    80% of the people are there to do what they're told (at varying levels of competency, from excellent to fair), collect a check, and get out of there.

    15% of the people are there to try to do the absolute minimum possible, complain & don't do anything about it, collect a check, and get out of there.

    5% of the people are superstars, who give more than asked, use their creativity to the team's benefit, in addition to doing what they do well. Superstars don't usually just perform their job well; they usually go beyond the call of duty. They purposefully become so useful to their team that they get more leverage over everyone else when it comes time to negoatiate.

    Good coaches:
    1. Motivate the 75% to do slightly better than normal
    2. Deaccentuate the bottom 15%
    3. Accentuate the superstars, whomever they might be.

    This might sound simple, but it is hard. It's hard for small businesses and it is really hard for large organizations.

    Most CEOs today are awful leaders and they are self-centered because they don't see it as "their business" or "their money". They become the vast 75%; show up, do CEO duties, collect a check, go home. This is why they have a lifespan of 2 years.

    People who successfully do this are the people who are looked up to.

    Jobs has his own cabinet of celebrities (Tevanian, Ive, etc.), he has cracked down on "bottom 15%" (disgruntled) employees revealing product info, and he has ostensibly motivated everyone else to do just a little bit better than normal.

    Hence, he deserves our respect.

  68. Price is no longer the problem by beetle496 · · Score: 1
    > However ... they need to seriously drop prices.

    I had been waiting for Apple to drop prices since the IIe, but I finally ponied up for a Bondi iMac and have never regreted it. Now that the Mini is available, complaining about prices is just stupid. Cost is no longer a large obsticle to the success of OS X. When you figure out why you think $500 is more computer than you deserve, you will have gained insight on yourself.

    --
    I paid the going retail price for a Windows screen reader and got a free Unix computer!
  69. Re: Are humans the dominant species on Earth? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 1

    Oh ok, yeah I guess creating a multibillion dollar auction house, a worldclass database, the most used search engine in the world, and a best selling OS are just specialized abilities as you've said. These executives wouldn't need "The ability to come up with a vision and integrate many abilities into a new combined ability that's more powerful than any individual ability." to do this stuff. And if you believe this, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

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  70. Re: Are humans the dominant species on Earth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously though, no one thinks Dolphins are smarter than people. The truth is that humans are the best because we are the smartest. Even without opposable thumbs, we would've found a way to get it done.