Exactly. Russia is trying to beat the US, not Clinton. They want us fighting with each other instead of beating them at whatever. We just got new confirmation that Russia was running Black Lives Matter ads. Whatever gets Americans fighting Americans, whatever divides us.
Well this really is the issue. Whether there are Clinton people using it as an excuse for the election or not doesn't really matter and it's beside the point if it was SIGNIFICANT enough to change the election (really, it was just 70,000 votes in 3 midwest states that tipped the electoral college). The issue is that Trump is accused of colluding with Russian agents for their help (whether it was good or not) to effect the election and they were offering help with the Magninsky act and perhaps other things. We also have money traveling from Russia to the NRA to the Republican party. While Putin is trying to divide the nation -- he is getting aided by the Republicans and that's where the problem lies.
And that's not getting to all the other crimes of the administration. Whether his machinations to pay off porn stars or get help from Chinese or Russian agents or if he made a profit on renting his hotels to people buying influence -- do we really need to allow this? It was poor judgement and a lack of ethics regardless on whether it was beneficial or not. We shouldn't have to go to trial to get tax returns or to get a President to divest themselves of conflicts of interests. This guy didn't have to be President. Why do we have to prove crimes beyond a reasonable doubt when we can't find any LEGAL way he covered billions of dollars in debts without any US banks loaning him the money and we can't PROVE that he's a Russian agent but we have little reason to suspect otherwise.
We can't even prove that Trump knows how to read. Why do we have to put up with this as a people? The divisiveness in this nation is because a sizeable percentage want to troll the rest of us.
And yet, France had protests that literally showed that Trump's paradigm shift clearly happened in France too,
Yeah, no, that's just stupid. Trump is putting industry titans in charge of everything and getting rid of safety and environmental standards might make coal slightly cheaper but at the cost of the health of the people involved in it. He's too damn corrupt to represent anyone but the elite. And though China needs to be brought into line -- his hamfisted approach and alienation of allies who might have been engaged in forcing China to respect IP are going to work against him.
Trump is just a dumpster fire and the glow of the economy will soon fade. Burning down the house only keeps you warm for a short time.
They supported both Clinton and Trump. The aim was clearly polarisation of the extremes of the supporting bases of each candidate, not supporting either of the candidates.
"They" what? Ads in general or what the Russians were targeting? The entire report is covering them using sophisticated data and supporting Trump directly by targeting people who were susceptible to their messages -- usually based with fear and xenophobia.
And we have seen so many lies about Trump and his purported actions that were just patently false on the face of it, it's genuinely hard at this point to take any critique of Trump without reacting "ok, show me the full context of this claim you have".
The most damning critiques about Trump are based on his own quotes. I find "they" (the media) are cruelly representing him and his bullshit quite accurately. They still give most of the BS a pass that politicians spread seemingly still oblivious of the fertile soil from which Trump sprouted.
Mostly because I find that when they make points of failures of globalist aspects of policy, I find myself forced to agree with them because of my social democratic principles. I believe that those most disenfranchised in the nation, the workers, the farmers, should have a clear and loud voice in how country is run.
Yes, we have the corporate Republicans on one side who the Russians clearly prefer because they want to balkanize all the Western nations in xenophobia and distrust and we have the neo-liberal Democrats who sell out to corporations and don't seem to believe in anything more than not being Republicans -- who themselves don't believe in anything other than not being Liberals. Simple solution: piss them all off and vote for Progressives. It's about power to the people.
Corporatists and Russian Oligarchs hate the progressives. When you don't know which way to turn, go the direction all the a-holes are telling you will spell your doom. "What's that?" Tucker Carlson hates Bernie Sanders -- sounds like a good choice.
I know the reflex is to say; "both sides" whenever your team looks bad. But this is evidence of one side being directly used as evidence of both sides -- you skipped a step.
Go ahead get all the bad faith actors because I'm happy not having anyone manipulated by propaganda. But somehow this is an excuse to do nothing?
I think people might be missing the fact that "once upon a time" being tech support was a job with prestige and advancement - now it's just a bit above working in retail.
Almost every job besides investor is subject to being devalued one day.
Hey, maybe his life sucks enough being in tech support at age 50 that he doesn't need someone career shaming him. Work is work and people also complain about the lazy -- so why not give everyone wasting 40 hours a week on ANY task a big break?
There are a lot of reasons people don't end up advancing, but the simple fact is that the space at the top of the tree is limited -- so not everyone is going to be there. You are probably in the top 30% or better, so just be glad he isn't higher performing or he would have knocked you to a lower rung on the totem pole.
Let people bitch about stupid users with other priorities -- it's been the only compensation for the working poor since we've had classes. The cooks gossip in the kitchen, the maids whisper about what was on the bed sheets. Life goes on.
The other way to see this is; how is it possible that they can bill companies and track usage if they can't know who is calling? The companies obviously get paid and if someone were getting calls through without them knowing where to charge it would be shut down overnight.
Like other's have said; just charge a fine -- or yes, allow a charge back on unwanted calls.
We could also reserve a penny fee on all emails, and it's waived if someone wanted the email. Junk email only works in massive bulk because it costs zero but wastes everyone else's time. It would not exist if everyone had to pony up a penny.
Rather, he's (probably) complaining the people get together to bash coal and oil interests through the (ab)use of air pollution/global warming alarmism.
This seems like the comment of a normal human citizen and not a person who is paid to defend Big Carbon./s
It's a bunch of people getting together to bash coal and oil interests again with the thin veneer of air pollution concerns on top of global warming alarmism.
Please tattoo "global warming alarmism" on your chest so people can recognize where you stood in 2018. It's like complaining that a fire alarm goes off when there is smoke, and the fire department reacts to "alarmism". Alarms are supposed to be annoying so you get off your ass and do something before you get killed. Shocker, right?
The conservatives bash violent criminals all the time -- yet here we are with a system that kills millions each year. It's OK because it's the course of business? When we compare externalized costs like pollution when evaluating alternative energy versus fossil fuels, it means that fossil fuels are far more expensive than they are presented. If we are going to be using alternative energy anyway -- then investing more money in it will help us get on that path quicker. Fewer deaths. Less carbon. Win - Win.
Now the only argument is economic -- but really, alternative energy decentralizes production and most of the money goes into the local economy -- so the "cost" again has a different impact. It's almost like a public works project.
Really, the people behind the fools who are against alternative energy either profit from carbon fuels or want to keep the teeming masses from having a share of the pie. Big plants that use coal or nuclear fuel keep fewer people with more money. That's what they really care about. Misery and suffering are tools to get the power they want. Let's stop kidding ourselves that the other side on this Global Warming / Alternative Energy debate is intellectually honest or even has the best interest of PEOPLE in mind. They cold give a rats ass if people die from smog in China and India. If they aren't clueless -- they are about as evil as you can get.
Sure, maybe there is a reduction in pollution -- but a lot of people are dying. More than we protect with our military. We spend a lot on anti terror efforts but using coal alone kills tens of thousands in the USA each year. But somehow, we treat it as urgent if someone comes here with a bomb and kills a dozen -- how dare they! Allowing polluters that extra output of pollution so they make a buck is tantamount to a license to kill. We are OK with a bomb a day being set off with the death toll -- as long as it isn't done by a bomb.
And I know some will callously say; "But we need fewer people on the planet." Well, nothing increases the birth rate more than strife and high mortality. If you want to lower the population on the planet, push for higher wages and women's rights. Nothing decreases births more than women in control of their lady parts and a living wage.
I'm sick and tired of arguing about whether pollution is good or not. Or that we have to do something about climate change and the acidification of the ocean. Or that we need to increase minimum wage or that the wage gap is dangerously high for a continued Democracy. It's painfully obvious where the facts and the truth lies and we have nitwits who make it a challenge of faith to disingenuously argue on behalf of polluters and the rich.
Are they just here to wear us out? When Captain Planet was battling evil doers -- he didn't have to contend with a cheer-leading squad as well. Are we dealing with brain damaged people or are they just in love with anarchy and secretly see themselves as surviving a zombie apocalypse to be left to mate with all the fertile women? WTF indeed.
I use FireFox. I only use chrome to interact with Google services and to pretend I am squeaky clean as I assume absolutely everyone on the planet will see what I'm doing that is interested in paying for that knowledge.
My own horrible, prejudiced opinion is that the entire class of job filled by MBAs is a cancerous tumor. It's what's wrong with America. It's how we've forced Business to make profit at all cost and maximize shareholder value. So the MBA is the expert at squeezing the providers, stiffing anyone they can on deals, screwing the employees and outsourcing them whenever possible or creating a virtual company with permanent part-timers like AT&T who compete with India for wages.
I don't blame MBAs. How could I turn down a 6 figure salary? "You want me to be cancer, OK, I'll be cancer."
We have to re-write the rules we have on commerce in this country, and the length of time stocks are held, and perhaps more employee ownership. But basically, you should assume as soon as a company starts loading up on MBAs, it's going to become another parasitic non-innovator trying to capitalize, marginalize and leverage -- and that is where dreams go to die.
I think you managed to insult everyone; SJW, Incels, Star Wars fans, the media, the government,... so very American. I have to say it seems unlikely with this level of outrage that you could be Russian. I figure you must be an unpaid American troll.
I was really hoping we could come together as a nation in shared pain and camaraderie over how awful The Last Jedi was. I mean, if you had a SECRET PLAN to solve everything by using FTL as a weapon -- that apparently nobody tried before -- the entire movie was just everyone going on misadventures because they didn't believe you had a SECRET PLAN. And the prior movie was reduced to Luke Skywalker throwing a light saber into the ocean.
But no, now I can't blame the movie and bond with fellow Americans because of the damn Ruskies!
I think what the Russian trolls want is for every poorly written movie to blame Russian trolls so that nobody will ever think it's Russian Trolls because so many people are crying wolf.
Thanks Disney! I'm sure the Kremlin was trying to tear apart the country over your awful movie.
pretty silly, especially if you get a degree in Iranian History or Women's Studies at a private university for $60,000.
Your anecdote covers.01% of the degrees. Most people are studying very common things. Trying to make practical choices within the bounds of their skill set. Kudos to you for being a GA Tech Grad. You will probably make one third the amount that someone with school connections and a C in Business Administration is going to make -- you know, your boss. You may have the math and programming chops to make a good living like a few other people -- or you could end up in tech support in a few years because everyone took your advice to be a CISCO CCNA for $400.
So what do we do with the other 98% of the people? Are you and your boss going to spend all your money on police so the rabble do not kidnap your kids? And are you going to be politically active and prevent tech jobs from leaving the country, or someone from another country taking your job for half the money?
80 to 2300? Are we sure we can call this a Dwarf Planet and not just a Huge Comet? I'm sure there is a typo in there somewhere. Or this planet got knocked out of orbit. I can't imagine it lasting from the creation of the solar system with such an eccentric orbit.
Save a lot of time and hassle crossing over lands patrolled by trolls and nazguls by just jumping on the giant eagle and heading for the volcano. I know you will miss a lot of opportunity to grow as a person by nearly killing yourself walking without food or fighting talking spiders -- but hey, you won't have to live with the persistent whisper of Microsoft tempting you with upgrades until the day you die -- so it kind of evens out.
The entire concept came out of the Heritage Foundation think tank -- so the ACA is hardly a liberal concept. It's an insurance policy to insure insurance companies so that they might insure the people they can't make a profit on.
>The problem is the federal government is NOT the proper place for such social experiments.
Yeah, because they do this for 1/2 to 1/4th the price we do and take care of everyone in most every civilized country on the planet.
"Experimental phase" for the free market, rape and pillage the sick system we have is over and it's a failed product.
Yeah, I was wondering about the use of "two factor authentication" when you already handed over all your information.
Other than as a last-ditch backup, I have no need for cloud-based anything. And if you are doing everything browser-based, then why not get a tablet and add a keyboard and just borrow real computers and login to this browser computing world? It seems like going back to the terminal model like in the1980s.
I mean, it's good if browsers and these thin clients are good enough to do what you want to do. It just feels like a loss of control for me and not the computing "experience". I suppose for a lot of people this would be fine. I just worry about the long-term effects of computing as a service and everything in a cloud where the EULA can be updated and changed at any time and if anyone hacks all that or subpoena's it, you might get an apology letter.
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Exactly. Russia is trying to beat the US, not Clinton. They want us fighting with each other instead of beating them at whatever. We just got new confirmation that Russia was running Black Lives Matter ads. Whatever gets Americans fighting Americans, whatever divides us.
Well this really is the issue. Whether there are Clinton people using it as an excuse for the election or not doesn't really matter and it's beside the point if it was SIGNIFICANT enough to change the election (really, it was just 70,000 votes in 3 midwest states that tipped the electoral college). The issue is that Trump is accused of colluding with Russian agents for their help (whether it was good or not) to effect the election and they were offering help with the Magninsky act and perhaps other things. We also have money traveling from Russia to the NRA to the Republican party. While Putin is trying to divide the nation -- he is getting aided by the Republicans and that's where the problem lies.
And that's not getting to all the other crimes of the administration. Whether his machinations to pay off porn stars or get help from Chinese or Russian agents or if he made a profit on renting his hotels to people buying influence -- do we really need to allow this? It was poor judgement and a lack of ethics regardless on whether it was beneficial or not. We shouldn't have to go to trial to get tax returns or to get a President to divest themselves of conflicts of interests. This guy didn't have to be President. Why do we have to prove crimes beyond a reasonable doubt when we can't find any LEGAL way he covered billions of dollars in debts without any US banks loaning him the money and we can't PROVE that he's a Russian agent but we have little reason to suspect otherwise.
We can't even prove that Trump knows how to read. Why do we have to put up with this as a people? The divisiveness in this nation is because a sizeable percentage want to troll the rest of us.
And yet, France had protests that literally showed that Trump's paradigm shift clearly happened in France too,
Yeah, no, that's just stupid. Trump is putting industry titans in charge of everything and getting rid of safety and environmental standards might make coal slightly cheaper but at the cost of the health of the people involved in it. He's too damn corrupt to represent anyone but the elite. And though China needs to be brought into line -- his hamfisted approach and alienation of allies who might have been engaged in forcing China to respect IP are going to work against him.
Trump is just a dumpster fire and the glow of the economy will soon fade. Burning down the house only keeps you warm for a short time.
They supported both Clinton and Trump. The aim was clearly polarisation of the extremes of the supporting bases of each candidate, not supporting either of the candidates.
"They" what? Ads in general or what the Russians were targeting? The entire report is covering them using sophisticated data and supporting Trump directly by targeting people who were susceptible to their messages -- usually based with fear and xenophobia.
And we have seen so many lies about Trump and his purported actions that were just patently false on the face of it, it's genuinely hard at this point to take any critique of Trump without reacting "ok, show me the full context of this claim you have".
The most damning critiques about Trump are based on his own quotes. I find "they" (the media) are cruelly representing him and his bullshit quite accurately. They still give most of the BS a pass that politicians spread seemingly still oblivious of the fertile soil from which Trump sprouted.
Mostly because I find that when they make points of failures of globalist aspects of policy, I find myself forced to agree with them because of my social democratic principles. I believe that those most disenfranchised in the nation, the workers, the farmers, should have a clear and loud voice in how country is run.
Yes, we have the corporate Republicans on one side who the Russians clearly prefer because they want to balkanize all the Western nations in xenophobia and distrust and we have the neo-liberal Democrats who sell out to corporations and don't seem to believe in anything more than not being Republicans -- who themselves don't believe in anything other than not being Liberals. Simple solution: piss them all off and vote for Progressives. It's about power to the people.
Corporatists and Russian Oligarchs hate the progressives. When you don't know which way to turn, go the direction all the a-holes are telling you will spell your doom. "What's that?" Tucker Carlson hates Bernie Sanders -- sounds like a good choice.
I know the reflex is to say; "both sides" whenever your team looks bad. But this is evidence of one side being directly used as evidence of both sides -- you skipped a step.
Go ahead get all the bad faith actors because I'm happy not having anyone manipulated by propaganda. But somehow this is an excuse to do nothing?
When I was in my early 50's,
I think people might be missing the fact that "once upon a time" being tech support was a job with prestige and advancement - now it's just a bit above working in retail.
Almost every job besides investor is subject to being devalued one day.
Hey, maybe his life sucks enough being in tech support at age 50 that he doesn't need someone career shaming him. Work is work and people also complain about the lazy -- so why not give everyone wasting 40 hours a week on ANY task a big break?
There are a lot of reasons people don't end up advancing, but the simple fact is that the space at the top of the tree is limited -- so not everyone is going to be there. You are probably in the top 30% or better, so just be glad he isn't higher performing or he would have knocked you to a lower rung on the totem pole.
Let people bitch about stupid users with other priorities -- it's been the only compensation for the working poor since we've had classes. The cooks gossip in the kitchen, the maids whisper about what was on the bed sheets. Life goes on.
The other way to see this is; how is it possible that they can bill companies and track usage if they can't know who is calling?
The companies obviously get paid and if someone were getting calls through without them knowing where to charge it would be shut down overnight.
Like other's have said; just charge a fine -- or yes, allow a charge back on unwanted calls.
We could also reserve a penny fee on all emails, and it's waived if someone wanted the email. Junk email only works in massive bulk because it costs zero but wastes everyone else's time. It would not exist if everyone had to pony up a penny.
Rather, he's (probably) complaining the people get together to bash coal and oil interests through the (ab)use of air pollution/global warming alarmism.
This seems like the comment of a normal human citizen and not a person who is paid to defend Big Carbon. /s
It's a bunch of people getting together to bash coal and oil interests again with the thin veneer of air pollution concerns on top of global warming alarmism.
Please tattoo "global warming alarmism" on your chest so people can recognize where you stood in 2018. It's like complaining that a fire alarm goes off when there is smoke, and the fire department reacts to "alarmism". Alarms are supposed to be annoying so you get off your ass and do something before you get killed. Shocker, right?
The conservatives bash violent criminals all the time -- yet here we are with a system that kills millions each year. It's OK because it's the course of business? When we compare externalized costs like pollution when evaluating alternative energy versus fossil fuels, it means that fossil fuels are far more expensive than they are presented. If we are going to be using alternative energy anyway -- then investing more money in it will help us get on that path quicker. Fewer deaths. Less carbon. Win - Win.
Now the only argument is economic -- but really, alternative energy decentralizes production and most of the money goes into the local economy -- so the "cost" again has a different impact. It's almost like a public works project.
Really, the people behind the fools who are against alternative energy either profit from carbon fuels or want to keep the teeming masses from having a share of the pie. Big plants that use coal or nuclear fuel keep fewer people with more money. That's what they really care about. Misery and suffering are tools to get the power they want. Let's stop kidding ourselves that the other side on this Global Warming / Alternative Energy debate is intellectually honest or even has the best interest of PEOPLE in mind. They cold give a rats ass if people die from smog in China and India. If they aren't clueless -- they are about as evil as you can get.
Sure, maybe there is a reduction in pollution -- but a lot of people are dying. More than we protect with our military. We spend a lot on anti terror efforts but using coal alone kills tens of thousands in the USA each year. But somehow, we treat it as urgent if someone comes here with a bomb and kills a dozen -- how dare they! Allowing polluters that extra output of pollution so they make a buck is tantamount to a license to kill. We are OK with a bomb a day being set off with the death toll -- as long as it isn't done by a bomb.
And I know some will callously say; "But we need fewer people on the planet." Well, nothing increases the birth rate more than strife and high mortality. If you want to lower the population on the planet, push for higher wages and women's rights. Nothing decreases births more than women in control of their lady parts and a living wage.
You get 'em!
I'm sick and tired of arguing about whether pollution is good or not. Or that we have to do something about climate change and the acidification of the ocean. Or that we need to increase minimum wage or that the wage gap is dangerously high for a continued Democracy. It's painfully obvious where the facts and the truth lies and we have nitwits who make it a challenge of faith to disingenuously argue on behalf of polluters and the rich.
Are they just here to wear us out? When Captain Planet was battling evil doers -- he didn't have to contend with a cheer-leading squad as well. Are we dealing with brain damaged people or are they just in love with anarchy and secretly see themselves as surviving a zombie apocalypse to be left to mate with all the fertile women? WTF indeed.
I use FireFox. I only use chrome to interact with Google services and to pretend I am squeaky clean as I assume absolutely everyone on the planet will see what I'm doing that is interested in paying for that knowledge.
My own horrible, prejudiced opinion is that the entire class of job filled by MBAs is a cancerous tumor. It's what's wrong with America. It's how we've forced Business to make profit at all cost and maximize shareholder value. So the MBA is the expert at squeezing the providers, stiffing anyone they can on deals, screwing the employees and outsourcing them whenever possible or creating a virtual company with permanent part-timers like AT&T who compete with India for wages.
I don't blame MBAs. How could I turn down a 6 figure salary? "You want me to be cancer, OK, I'll be cancer."
We have to re-write the rules we have on commerce in this country, and the length of time stocks are held, and perhaps more employee ownership. But basically, you should assume as soon as a company starts loading up on MBAs, it's going to become another parasitic non-innovator trying to capitalize, marginalize and leverage -- and that is where dreams go to die.
People don't fanboy Samsung products. They just use them.
That's one of the better slogans I've heard from a Samsung fanboi.
I think you managed to insult everyone; SJW, Incels, Star Wars fans, the media, the government,... so very American. I have to say it seems unlikely with this level of outrage that you could be Russian. I figure you must be an unpaid American troll.
I was really hoping we could come together as a nation in shared pain and camaraderie over how awful The Last Jedi was. I mean, if you had a SECRET PLAN to solve everything by using FTL as a weapon -- that apparently nobody tried before -- the entire movie was just everyone going on misadventures because they didn't believe you had a SECRET PLAN. And the prior movie was reduced to Luke Skywalker throwing a light saber into the ocean.
But no, now I can't blame the movie and bond with fellow Americans because of the damn Ruskies!
I think what the Russian trolls want is for every poorly written movie to blame Russian trolls so that nobody will ever think it's Russian Trolls because so many people are crying wolf.
Thanks Disney! I'm sure the Kremlin was trying to tear apart the country over your awful movie.
pretty silly, especially if you get a degree in Iranian History or Women's Studies at a private university for $60,000.
Your anecdote covers .01% of the degrees. Most people are studying very common things. Trying to make practical choices within the bounds of their skill set. Kudos to you for being a GA Tech Grad. You will probably make one third the amount that someone with school connections and a C in Business Administration is going to make -- you know, your boss. You may have the math and programming chops to make a good living like a few other people -- or you could end up in tech support in a few years because everyone took your advice to be a CISCO CCNA for $400.
So what do we do with the other 98% of the people? Are you and your boss going to spend all your money on police so the rabble do not kidnap your kids? And are you going to be politically active and prevent tech jobs from leaving the country, or someone from another country taking your job for half the money?
It's more fun to laugh at them for picking the wrong career or stock investment.
80 to 2300? Are we sure we can call this a Dwarf Planet and not just a Huge Comet? I'm sure there is a typo in there somewhere. Or this planet got knocked out of orbit. I can't imagine it lasting from the creation of the solar system with such an eccentric orbit.
Can the feminists and the anti-feminists get sent to an island to NOT BREED and just glare at each other for decades? Thanks, asking for a friend.
Is there something worse that hackers could do that isn't a data mining product that Facebook is selling their customers?
Save a lot of time and hassle crossing over lands patrolled by trolls and nazguls by just jumping on the giant eagle and heading for the volcano. I know you will miss a lot of opportunity to grow as a person by nearly killing yourself walking without food or fighting talking spiders -- but hey, you won't have to live with the persistent whisper of Microsoft tempting you with upgrades until the day you die -- so it kind of evens out.
The entire concept came out of the Heritage Foundation think tank -- so the ACA is hardly a liberal concept. It's an insurance policy to insure insurance companies so that they might insure the people they can't make a profit on.
>The problem is the federal government is NOT the proper place for such social experiments.
Yeah, because they do this for 1/2 to 1/4th the price we do and take care of everyone in most every civilized country on the planet.
"Experimental phase" for the free market, rape and pillage the sick system we have is over and it's a failed product.
Yeah, I was wondering about the use of "two factor authentication" when you already handed over all your information.
Other than as a last-ditch backup, I have no need for cloud-based anything. And if you are doing everything browser-based, then why not get a tablet and add a keyboard and just borrow real computers and login to this browser computing world? It seems like going back to the terminal model like in the1980s.
I mean, it's good if browsers and these thin clients are good enough to do what you want to do. It just feels like a loss of control for me and not the computing "experience". I suppose for a lot of people this would be fine. I just worry about the long-term effects of computing as a service and everything in a cloud where the EULA can be updated and changed at any time and if anyone hacks all that or subpoena's it, you might get an apology letter.