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Senate Report Shows Russia Used Social Media To Support Trump In 2016 (bbc.co.uk)
AmiMoJo shares a report from the BBC: Russia used every major social media platform to influence the 2016 US election, the report claims. New research says YouTube, Tumblr, Instagram and PayPal -- as well as Facebook and Twitter -- were leveraged to spread propaganda. Its authors criticize the "belated and uncoordinated response" by tech firms. It is the first analysis of millions of social media posts provided by Twitter, Google and Facebook to the Senate Intelligence Committee. Russia adapted techniques from digital marketing to target audiences across multiple channels, with a particular focus on targeting conservatives with posts on immigration, race, and gun rights. There were also efforts to undermine the voting power of left-leaning African-American citizens, by spreading misinformation about the electoral process.
"What is clear is that all of the messaging clearly sought to benefit the Republican Party -- and specifically Donald Trump," the report says. "Trump is mentioned most in campaigns targeting conservatives and right-wing voters, where the messaging encouraged these groups to support his campaign. The main groups that could challenge Trump were then provided messaging that sought to confuse, distract and ultimately discourage members from voting."
"What is clear is that all of the messaging clearly sought to benefit the Republican Party -- and specifically Donald Trump," the report says. "Trump is mentioned most in campaigns targeting conservatives and right-wing voters, where the messaging encouraged these groups to support his campaign. The main groups that could challenge Trump were then provided messaging that sought to confuse, distract and ultimately discourage members from voting."
I swear, I've never seen such a longrunning and ineffective damage control campaign for a losing candidate. Is this a sign they really are going to run her again in 2020?
Where's the Russians posting claims they only spent $50,000 on it?
JEB would have won in 2016 if not for Russia!
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A Russian never showed up at my house and forced me to vote for Trump.
Shut the fuck up about Russia or I will vote for Trump in 2020 just to piss off the people that write these fucking stupid useless stories.
...we can't just drop the Soviet Union, err Russia from routing tables.
Fake news...
yes, Clinton could have won if she'd just taken Trump seriously. Also if she took notice of how badly beaten up the working class was. Her solution to everything was more education. For a woman who'd spent her entire life living large off the fruits of her education that makes sense. She's a classic left wing, elitest do gooder: she can't understand why folks don't just reach out their hands for all the money out there when it's all so easy. She's literally unable to comprehend that it's not so easy for most of us.
But all that said:
1. She still won the popular vote.
2. She lost by a razor thin margin. So thin that all she needed was to focus a bit more on the rust belt but...
3. By the same token that razor thin margin means that stuff that ordinarily shouldn't have mattered, mattered.
TL;DR; I think Clinton could have won if she tried harder, but I don't think she'd have lost without Russian interference and that last minute Oct surprise from Comey pushing Trump over the edge.
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The only people I hear bring her up are Republicans who keep going "Lock Her Up". Whether Trump worked Russia seems important because, you know, if he keeps working with Russia, that's really bad.
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no matter what he does or says or what comes out. Hell, he's mad that he took Pence as his VP because it turns out the Evangelicals will support him no matter what. These same Evangelicals just elected a dead pimp
To me the Russian interference is like a vial of blood in a shark pool. It didn't take much, but without the vial there wouldn't have been a frenzy. And we shouldn't be surprised. Vlad Putin's specialty was information warfare for Christ's sake. It's not like we weren't warned. He saw a weakness (Hilary) and exploited it to weaken us further.
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All this "news" makes me think the Democrats are a bunch of losers who cannot accept that they LOST BECAUSE THEIR CANDIDATE DID NOT APPEAL TO THE MAINSTREAM AMERICAN.
Honestly, seconds after that Crazy Clinton Cunt used the word "deplorables", I knew who was going to LOSE the election.
You see, people don't like being called "deplorable" by some nasty dried-up post-menopausal CUNT who cares less about the average American than an exterminator cares about a cockroach.
Fuck Hillary Clinton - I hope she gets cancer and that she suffers horribly. And fuck her used-car salesman husband too. They are scum.
The deep state Clinton and Soros machine is ramping up lies and hoaxis for anti-Russia propaganda to try to start civil war. Real Americans like I and you are smart and dont fall for simple propaganda to make friendly, helpful Russia a enemy.
Did the Russians interfere?
Yes? DUH?
Now. Did they connive WITH Trump to do it?
Evidence (or lack thereof) says "no".
But, in the most charitable gimme to the Never-Trumpers, the answer is "we don't know (AND NEITHER DO YOU!)".
As such. It's nothing more than a teaching moment.
So, to all of those who've welded their asses to the "Impeach Impeach Impeach" train that's going "Trump woke up this morning! IMPEACH HIM NOW!" "Trump tweeted something I don't like! IMPEACH HIM NOW!" "Trump exists! IMPEACH HIM NOW!"?
Take a fucking chill pill. Because your crazy fucking behavior is destroying the Democratic Party and is going to keep the man in office until 2024.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The number of Europeans I saw on twitter bad mouthing Trump was far more than the number of Russians I saw supporting him
Didn't vote for Trump. Hearing "trump trump trump" from the left has been constant and pathetic. Worse than having trump as president. As a result, I would never listen to them. Never vote for anything they want.
Is the goal to make everyone hate them and what they stand for? Because it's working.
Why is this here?
Good thing we have the senate to be the global social media police.
https://www.washingtontimes.co...
British ex-spy Christopher Steele, who wrote the Democrat-financed anti-Trump dossier, said in a court case that he was hired by a Democratic law firm in preparation for Hillary Clinton challenging the results of the 2016 presidential election.
He said the law firm Perkins Coie wanted to be in a position to contest the results based on evidence he unearthed on the Trump campaign conspiring with Moscow on election interference.
The disinformation produced by Russians does not exceed the disinformation produced by Americans.
Consider the topic of preferential treatment for Hispanics.
Preferential treatment includes affirmative action (AA). It is gross discrimination against Americans of European or Asian ancestry.
The elites in the mainstream media claim that AA does not discriminate against Europeans and Asians. Yet, the statistical data clearly shows that, due to AA, an Asian (or European) must score roughly 300 points higher than a Hispanic, on the Scholastic Aptitude Test, in order for the admissions committee (of Princeton University) to give the Asian (or European) equal consideration with the Hispanic.
Most Americans of Asian ancestry are aware of this disinformation produced by the elites in the media. Most Americans of Asian ancestry condemn this disinformation.
"'[Affirmative action] offends me,' [Yukong] Zhao continued, telling me he believes Chinese-Americans have faced far more discrimination than Latinos. 'Why [do] Hispanics ... get higher preference than Chinese-Americans, or Japanese-Americans?'" (Zhao was interviewed for a report published by BuzzFeed News.)
I swear, I've never seen such a longrunning and ineffective damage control campaign for a losing candidate.
Yes, Trump is a losing candidate, and is so desperate to defend himself that he can't even admit how much of sellout he is, or how incompetent his own defenders are.
Even this week, he can't explain why his "best people" murdered a 7 year old girl who they claimed was a terrorist.
Yeah, low energy lowT cucked Jeb.
Druggie Kids
Illegal Alien Wife.
Calls not prosecuting illegal immigration an act of love.
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Loser candidate, just like Beta O'Cuck
Where is the source for this? The Data? There were millions of post analyzed but no mention of how many, how they were identified as Russian, How they determined Republican support. This is just flame bait, by the British. Maybe they are interfering?
When Obama started using data mining to target voters with tailored messages, it was smart.
When Trump did the same, it was unfair.
When Russia played that game, it was unacceptable.
And when Israel our Saudi Arabia pour money to influence elections, it is not worth a paper.
The reason they supported Trump is not that they wanted him to win. In fact, they thought that he would lose. And in losing they wanted to bring America to its knees by people crying foul and voting doesn't work. Democracy is dead. A divided America is the only object Russia has. History has shown that Russia has been aligned with the Democrat party, not the Republican party. Just look at who a Commie votes for. A Republican, conservative who is more patriotic, strong nationality, or a Democrat liberal, anything goes, no laws, no morals.
Which party will destroy Democracy and capitalism is a no brainer. Democrats want the government to be more like socialism and communism. The government must decide for people what is good, not God, religion, or the those with individual rights. That's not what socialism/communism, and the Democrat party want.
I wish other countries had the balls to step up and attack our government.
Just because you believe Clinton fucked up. Yeah, she fucked up. But, that doesn't mean Russia isn't responsible for the feather that broke the camel's back. And we never want to accept that, regardless of who we were for.
than logically, undermining a sitting president that has done nothing that is proven beyond attacking Russian interests and allies once they assumed office is playing right in Russia's hands. Even if you dislike the President, having so little that you have to resort to linking him banging an American hooker to your Russian collusion investigation is pretty thin as far as evidence goes and precisely the type of chaos a foreign agent would love. The media obviously knows this, but they don't care, because in truth they couldn't give two toots about Russia, and wouldn't mind if Hillary turned out to be a Kremlin designed cyborg.
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The americans created a software environment that allows people to influence the views and votes of others. Then they complain when someone else uses it for that purpose.
What have I missed? Was it just that it was being used by the wrong sort of people?
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
I am inclining more and more to believe this whole thing is a giant HOAX that needs constant injection of fresh 'news' to keep it boiling...
A 538 poll showed both Clinton and Trump were considered unlikeable with highest ratings since 1980. We had a situation of two unelectable candidates as the only choices
> Russia funded every divisive movement they could. Black Lives Matter, Muslims for Hillary, etc. Their purpose is psy ops to sow derision in the populace - the same purpose they've had when they've done the exact same thing for the past 75 years. We do the same.
Exactly. Russia is trying to beat the US, not Clinton. They want us fighting with each other instead of beating them at whatever. We just got new confirmation that Russia was running Black Lives Matter ads. Whatever gets Americans fighting Americans, whatever divides us.
> It had zero impact in the election's outcome though. This is all about providing an excuse for Clinton's loss to make her 2020 run more palatable.
Clinton was a really bad candidate, with terrible poll numbers. Of the six "finalists" for the Republican nomination, five of the six beat Clinton in the polls. Only one, Donald Trump, could lose to Clinton, according to polling during the primaries. Trump was also a pretty crappy candidate - the only one who didn't poll better than Clinton during the primaries.
I think the Russian ads probably did what they were designed to do and not much else - they made the election period more partisan, encouraged us to be even less unified, and probably didn't materially affect the election, but there's no way to be 100% sure of what would have happened if things had been different. Wen might have even had a more moderate, less polarizing candidate win. Doubtful though.
But apparently everyone forgets the Russian trolls were trolling both sides.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Perfect example of disinfo from someone who doubtless posted lots of "SHE'LL START A WAR WITH RUSIIA" trolls in October/November 2016.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
1. She still won the popular vote.
There is no "popular vote" for the US President. Please refer to the Constitution if you are confused about the process the US uses to elect the President. I'm sure there is a Wikipedia page about it if the old words are hard.
2. She lost by a razor thin margin.
"She won ... she lost ...". What?
Trump won the electoral college 304-227. That's not "razor thin".
I think Clinton could have won if she tried harder, but I don't think she'd have lost without Russian interference
Do you have evidence that any Russians voted illegally in the 2016 Presidential election? That would be a good argument for voter ID, you know.
You do realize that lots of non-US people tried to exert influence in US elections, don't you? And we've tried to influence other country's elections. It's a tempest in a teapot trying to justify what obviously couldn't happen but did.
Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate and open. You can see it with your own eyes.... It has nothing to do with espionage.
I know that intelligence gathering looks more romantic.... That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first one being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism....
The result? The result you can see ... the people who graduated in the 60's, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and educational systems. You are stuck with them. You can't get through to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.
In other words [for] these people the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another 15 or 20 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.
Question "And yet these people who have been programmed and as you say [are] in place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept - these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country?"
Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock when they will see in [the] future what the beautiful society of EQUALITY and social justice means in practice, obviously they will revolt. They will be very unhappy [and] frustrated people, and Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously they will join the [ranks] of dissenters; dissidents. Unlike the present United States there will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America. [Now] you can get popular like Daniel Elsburg and filthy rich like Jane Fonda for being a dissident [and] for criticizing your Pentagon. In [the] future these people will simply be [he makes a squishy noise] squashed like cockroaches for criticizing the government. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful [and] noble ideas of EQUALITY. This they don't understand and it will be the greatest shock for them, of course.
The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A pers
it's more like saying:
"I wouldn't have died from the hangnail if my immune system wasn't weakened by lead poisoning and constant illness from the bullet wound I got 30 years ago"
Like I said, Hillary had a _lot_ of baggage, much of it manufactured by a multi-million dollar right wing apparatus that saw she was getting ready to run for president and so came at her like a ton of bricks. Now, as a presidential candidate it was her responsibility to defuse those attacks (as opposed to throwing fire on them like she did with that Benghazi silliness). But again, we're being hopelessly naive if we don't acknowledge the effect Russia had.
Trump represents a breakdown of every single sane process our civilization has. I don't mean that as hyperbole. _Everything_ had to go wrong to make something as disastrous as Trump happen. The real question is will we put the breaks on it in 2 years? Trump's by himself limited in the damage he can do (though his two SCOTUS nominees are going to wreck some havoc on our few remaining protections against mega-corps). The real problem is that he's encouraged the working class to turn away from solid policy and into Demagoguery like "Build the Wall!" as a solution to their problems. If that keeps up it'll end like it always does with oppressed minorities. We'll start by kicking the Hispanics out at the barrel of gun, follow it up by enslaving the blacks again and probably finish where the Nazis left off (hello there, Godwin).
If all of this sounds too far fetched, keep in mind that Climate change is going to start making water, and by extension food, scarce in about 20-30 years. The American working class are riled up by some moderately poor working conditions. When they don't have enough to eat all hell will break lose.
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It's embarrassing to Trump that the Russians very clearly considered him to be worse for the US national interest than Clinton (which is really saying a lot), but that's a long way from a crime.
Though actual crimes wouldn't surprise me in any way.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com...
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if you don't like me, i'm a russian. if you don't agree with me, you're a russian.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486
Find a candidate that is healthy and fit.
Make sure they can give a speech that is filled with election winning ideas.
Have experts map out the actual "states" needed to win an election.
Got in person each state needed and give a great speech that is well liked by people in that state.
Talk about jobs, local issues, some past connection with that state. Be happy and smile.
Dont bring the same negative speech to each state and then go full negative about the state you are in.
The locals who have to "vote" later kind of notice what is been said about them in person. They like happy words and political leaders who can give a "great" speech.
A healthy, charming person with a winning message with new ideas and something "good" to say. In every state they have to win.
Stamina, charm and the ability to have real time local knowledge.
Have the "winning" political team ready to support the events in each and every state.
People in that state who can get people out to vote in that state.
Lots of people on each side of the USA do not will US election count. Many other states are needed to add up to "win".
No "Russians" needed.
A much better quality of political advice and the ability to stay "healthy" and "talk" to normal people will be noticed by all voters all over the USA.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Do you think it was only the Russians messing with usa elections?
Americans bend over and take it from CNN, Foxnews, NYT, Breitbart, WSJ, etc. and nobody cries election meddling but as soon as Russians weigh in on US politics everybody acts like controlling people's thoughts is bad.
1) While we can quantify the number of posts, likes, views, and shares of Russian content, we can't quantify how many people had their mind changed, how many people voted that wouldn't have, or how many people didn't vote that would have.
2) If we are going to criticize Russia for influencing the election, shouldn't we also criticize all of our in-house propaganda?
Personally, it was Wikileaks (has any of it been denied or disproved?), Hillary emails (lack of transparency/cooperation), Hillary herself, and DNC shenanigans that turned me off. No Russian meddling required.
I see two possible directions the democrats can take:
1) Blame the Russians and run with the same losing message
2) Blame the losing message and modify it
Something tells me they won't choose option 2.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486
07/16/2018 12:07 PM EDT Updated 07/16/2018 03:08 PM EDT
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday he wanted President Donald Trump to win the 2016 election because he believed Trump's policies would be more friendly to the Kremlin.
"Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.-Russia relationship back to normal,” Putin said, standing alongside Trump at a joint news conference.
Putin was asked whether he directed any of his officials to help Trump’s presidential campaign, but Putin appeared to sidestep that part of the question.
Why was it wrong for Russia to try to influence the election in 2016? The reason I arrive at is because Russians aren't allowed to vote in our election, so it's wrong for them to try to influence it.
But by that same reasoning, isn't it also wrong for the two political parties to influence elections for Senators and Congresscritters by shifting money to candidate's campaign that has been raised outside the state or district the candidate is running in? After all, that's money donated by someone who can't vote in that election being used to try to influence it.
So if you carry this outrage over Russian interference to its logical conclusion, you end up with a ban on political parties' unrestricted use of donations. No using money raised in New York to try to influence a Congressional race in Arizona. Money raised in New York has to be used in New York. Only money raised in that Arizona congressional district can be used to influence the race there.
Somehow I suspect the political parties aren't going to see it that way. And their stance is going to be that it's wrong for other people to try to influence races they can't vote in, but it's OK for them to do it.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486
07/16/2018 12:07 PM EDT Updated 07/16/2018 03:08 PM EDT
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday he wanted President Donald Trump to win the 2016 election because he believed Trump's policies would be more friendly to the Kremlin.
"Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.-Russia relationship back to normal,” Putin said, standing alongside Trump at a joint news conference.
Putin was asked whether he directed any of his officials to help Trump’s presidential campaign, but Putin appeared to sidestep that part of the question.
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Maybe you can read it the third and fourth time I say it:
>> Only one, Donald Trump, could lose to Clinton, according to polling during the primaries. Trump was also a pretty crappy candidate - the only one who didn't poll better than Clinton during the primaries.
"Oh that's bullshit, Clinton polled better than Trump", you say. Which is exactly what I said - twice. Derp derp indeed.
As I said, during the primary season (February and March), Ted Cruz beat into by 3-5% in the RCP average.
Marco Rubio had her beat 47% to 43%
https://www.realclearpolitics....
Kasich beat Clinton 48% to 41% - a whopping 7.4% lead
https://www.realclearpolitics....
Again, (for the fifth time) Republicans chose the only candidate who had a shot at losing to Clinton.
You're all going to the gulag for being a dumbass.
Nazi homosexual recruiter RAY MORRIS pushing debunked Nazi propaganda even after corrected, #ROPE
Distraction away from the contents of Hillary's emails.
Considering how she was caught on video making statements that retaliating with nuclear attacks is proportional response to being cyberattacked, he didn't need to post anything that Hillary herself didn't already fart out her mouth.
On a side note, Hillary propped up the current Myanmar government and she was the diplomatic face behind the current country for a decade on all news outlets and documentation, the government currently genociding and kicking out the Rohingya Muslims, and USA of course is completely unwilling to intervene or talk about it. What witty comments do you have regarding this matter my dumb friend?
That is the weirdest non-sequitur I've ever heard.
Don't reduce this to a "Hillary vs Trump" fight. The Russians influenced more than the last American elections: for instance, they facilitated Brexit in Britain, and supported Salvini in Italy. I don't think you should reduce the problem to a "Hillary vs Trump" fight. The problem is people being convinced by incendiary propaganda on social networks, and the control of this mechanism by malicious actors. And in this case it was the Russians, but in the future it could very well be others to take advantage of it.
Everyone not retarded was scared shitless of Hillary ending up in the White house!
The strategy only has to be sufficient to tilt the scales by a few % to significant impact on the outcome. And clearly it worked.
Funnily enough I suspect it worked TOO well as far as Trump was concerned. He was using the campaign for the free publicity, hoping to return to private business afterwards. By winning he invited investigations on himself, his family and his corrupt cronies. Almost certainly he is an unindicted co-conspirator on the Stormy Daniels stuff, and we still have the Russian investigation, emoluements, and 2 years of congressional subpoenas into his taxes and other dealings to look forward to. What fun.
Hillary Clinton spent nearly 2 billion dollars to Trump's approx $600 Million, and some of the money she spent was laundered through the Democrat-hack lawfirm Perkins Coie as "legal fees" to a British spy named Steele who bought anti-Trump propaganda from Russia in the form of the so-called "Steele dossier" which was funneled into the FBI and used without validation to get warrants to spy on Trump's campaign, effectively bringing the CIA and FBI into the election on Hillary's side...... but we're supposed to imagine that a few thousand dollars worth of clumbsy Facebook ads swung the election to trump.
yup.
that makes sense all right.
It gets worse when you pay attention to two facts:
[1] The Russians also spent money against Trump (they wanted chaos in US politics, which all our mainstream media and the Democrats are now complicit in providing for two whole years)
[2] The US Senate contains a number of "Never Trump" establishment Republicans. Guys like Flake and Sasse despise Trump as much as Hillary does.
The American people need to wake up and realize that, like him or hate him, Trump has totally freaked-out the uni-party in Washington DC and if they manage to nullify him in one way or another they will have effectively blocked any future outsider from ever being elected. These freakish career double-speaking globalist elitists will close all the loopholes Trump got in through, and will intimidate funders from contributing to, and compaign workers from working for, any future outsider candidate. This nation has endured far worse than Trump and will survive him - he's certainly NOT Hitler as some Democrats and even a few Democrats insisted he would be. The big question is: Do we let the uni-party destroy the idea of equal justice in America as they feverishly work to knock him out and lock things down so they never lose control again?
Thank you Russians for exposing how completely brainwashed and bias our left leaning "journalists" are. You provided a needed counterweight to help balance the scales.
Now you can go home. Now that we are aware of how biased our media is, we will now be vigilant.
And by the way, I know many people, including dyed in the wool Democrats, who would have voted for anyone rather than HRC.
No big press coverage as Obama flagrantly attempted to manipulate the Israeli election.
Where was this Dick when Russia invaded the Ukraine.
Nothing about Clinton's Pay to Play with the Saudi's and Defense Industry, not to mention handing the Russians a Uranium deal.
Honestly, if Clinton had won, there probably would have been blood in the streets.
Nobody seemed to care the Obama and Clinton "Triggered" and "Offended" the rather Meek and Civil masses.
Beginning to feel less Civil.... Triggered....
> 1. She still won the popular vote.
Clinton did not win "the popular vote", because there was no popular vote.
There was only an electoral vote. And people may or may not vote differently based on the type of vote.
Some people lived in a very "red" or "blue" state, so perhaps they stayed home, because it did not make a difference. Or perhaps they voted for Johnson because they knew it did not make a difference in said red or blue state.
Or perhaps they lived in a "swing state" and were unsure, so they voted one way to "help the cause", where in a popular vote they may have voted differently.
The only way to know who would have one a popular vote is to have a popular vote, which we did not have.
this is not a senate report, it's a study from oxford; a second study was prepared by columbia
The Clinton campaign admitted that early in the top primary process, they had identified Trump as the candidate they most wanted to run against, so where they were able they promoted him too.
Are we considering that as pernicious as "Russian interference".
-Styopa
It is surprising the number of people that think that she is somehow "Intelligent".
She time and again shows how sedentary her mind has become.
Blackberry's and the use of FedEx to transport encrypted State data illustrates what kind of mentally deficient person you are dealing with here.
All this crap about Russia distracts from the fact that the US President is elected by an antiquated system of electoral collage voting which is free to - and does - ignore the voting pattern of the actual people. THAT'S what got Trump in, not some ineffective echo-chamber adverts from some Russians aimed at half-wits.
No one who got less votes than their opponent is a legitimate president.
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
What is the fuss about? America screws with all elections all over the world.
So Russian rich fucks bought media campains, so what?
Laughably bad.
Maybe the Russians believed the American leftists (after all, they have such a long, long love relationship with each other) about how supposedly ineffective and awful Trump would be.
Wait is this the one where Russia spent $4k on ads or something else super trivial that seems like it's main goal is to attract suspension?
Having read hillary and podestas emails before they were a topic in the msm, i have to say this is a pretty brilliant conclusion: Nothing new going on, and its probably more mark zuckerbergs fault than anyone. Trump didnt order the hacking or releasing of the emails, and he also didnt tell podesta and hillary to be criminals and slime balls. What is meuller doing again now? Committing more crimes? Yep.
I find it fascinating that smart tech people actually believe that some on-line ads and social media troll farms could actually swing an election.
I spend a fair amount of time in rural areas of the country where people are not attached to a computer 12 hours a day. Those people work in the field and are not staring at computer monitors all day. They see very few on-line ads and have little interaction with people via social media. These people also vote in large numbers.
The internet has a way of making viewpoints on either side of an argument seem far more popular than they really are. To many of us that work with technology all day it is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the on-line world represents the world in its entirety. It does not.
If you really believe that Russia, China or Iran can influence 350 million people by running a small troll farm or buying a few hundred thousand dollars worth of ads, you really need to use a different lens to view the world.
The world is much bigger than the internet or social media. If you view the world solely through that lens you are missing quite a lot of the rest of the world.
Does anybody really believe this anti-Russia US propaganda? Russia the boogie-man.
There's this:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/techwatch/corinne-weaver/2018/12/17/google-funded-liberal-study-saying-russia-aided-gop-online
Further to ask, is, is there a correlation between the periods of massive growth of the social media platforms, their huge jump in share price, and the registrations of millions of fake accounts laying dormant ready to roll?
In which case they've all been built on a lie and that is the real truth here the likes of facebook/twitter etc's share price made them complicit in the action.
What the real surprise is not that democracy can be so easily bought, it is that it can be so easily given away for free.
Its not that the USD is going up, it's that every other currency is going down!
I love such logic.
Russia tried to influence a US election. So what? This is standard stuff. Every country tries to protect its interests, and part of this is trying to influence other countries and their governments. News at 11:00.
The US not only meddles in elections; they go farther: the US goes in and overthrows governments they don't like (that's a list of 57 publicly known incidents).
If people want to get upset about something, how about prosecuting Bush and Obama for attacking sovereign countries without a declaration of war? While Trump hasn't ended any wars, at least he hasn't added any new entries to the list...
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They supported Trump, who was expected to lose. Even in the primaries? Why would they support a bad candidate in the primaries? With all the ties that have been uncovered between the Clintons and the Russians, could it be that the Hillary team was coordinating with them to promote Trump over the more traditional candidates?
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Can you explain why else a Russian bank would give Bill a cool half mil for a 20 minute speech?
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Does anyone seriously believe that China, Israel , probably the UK and France and yes the United states don't all try to influence each others elections through a multitude of ways. Why focus on Russia? The only reason I can think of is as an excuse to attack the POTUS. Has anyone even looked for similar activity the previous 2 election cycles?
dont forget plain text email hopping across at least 27 hops without any encryption of said confidential information.
And the Democrats chose the only candidate that could lose to a Republican. The Bush years trashed the economy and we had 8 years of well managed recovery. Jobs still don't pay a living wage for most people -- but that's a bipartisan issue that neither candidate was going to address -- let's be honest.
Whether the election was close or not or the Russians were effective or not does not matter. Nixon broke into the Watergate Hotel because he was paranoid and thought rules didn't apply to him -- it didn't do him much good in the scheme of things. He was impeached because he broke the law and could not be trusted with power.
After the Helsinki summit, is there any doubt that Putin has influence over Trump and that he is compromised? I've seen less cringe with molested alter boys receiving a private confessional.
You know this and I know this. But one side won't admit that they know the truth. Doesn't that bother you in the back of your head -- that you KNOW you are lying to yourself and everyone else? Is it that you don't want to embarrass yourself in front of people you think will hold it over you? How could it be any worse than the current situation? The emperor has no clothes. You are just pretending. And everyone knows you are pretending.
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AmiMoJo is a known troll and the summary doesn't even include a link.
they were environmental initiatives meant to improve air quality. Some of them are better than others (Solar subsidies, alright. Cash for Clunkers? That was just stupid).
It'd be a bit like saying "Why isn't the Democrat's push for Diplomacy in Iran helping the working poor?". Those things have very little to do with each other. I mean, avoiding pointless wars that drain our coffers does, just like the poor breath dirty air. But it's not specifically intended for the poor or even working class except in as much as they are citizens...
For left wing programs that are for the poor, you've got Medicare for All, The Living Wage, Ending the Drug War, shutting down predatory lenders, Wall Street regulation... the list goes on and on. The left do great when it comes to helping the poor... when they're allowed to. Most of the time Goldman Sachs et al shuts them down.
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wow you're fucking stupid and racist and the world is now dumber for you having said all the wrongs you said
Can you explain why else a Russian bank would give Bill a cool half mil for a 20 minute speech?
Because they were really interested in what he'd say.
If you still use Facebook, you are willingly working for Putin. The very fact that your presence increases the network value means that you are providing material support to all the misinformation campaigns, whether you see them or believe them or not.
Currently on slashdot a butt hurt liberal's rant is labelled Score:5 Insightful. What a waste.
Of course we wouldn't all be singing kumbaya, unless Russia caused us to fight amongst ourselves. Russia took advantage of the existing discord by attempting to amplify it. Hitting us where we're weak, so to speak.
I don't suppose we can ever measure exactly how effective their campaign was - and it probably doesn't matter. We do know from history that such tactics are part of a strategy package that has taken down governments in other countries. It seems to me, it's more important to figure out how to work together, to resolve differences instead of scream about them, than to figure out exactly how much of our current problem is due to Russian propaganda.
We *should* acknowledge that they attempt such propaganda to so domestic discord within their rivals, but more importantly let's try to reduce the infighting and make our nation the best it can be.
So you don't know the difference between a counterattack and starting a war. Anything else you'd like to share?
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