How much revenue does a tech that a company is making available for free (as in beer) generate?
I'll give you a hint: The same amount as they would make from opening the source.
If Java were open sourced, Sun would still be able to retain the copyright and sell their "Java Enterprise System" as a product. Java development would gain the benefit of more coders working on the project, Sun would likely retain the "upstream developer" mantle to direct the project, and they would not be losing any revenue stream as they already make the SDK and JRE available for free (as in beer).
Yeah, the cards are all in their deck, and unfortunately they are already giving them out for nothing in exchange. Community development would at leasdt be an opportunity for the Java users to give something back, and that is what appears to be missing from Sun's current Java plan.
I beleive the point that Darnok is making is that replacing the musician's live performance with an automated playback reduces the feedback between cast and orchestra, in a sense you are reducing the performance to a static, dead tthing, you may as well just watch the video.
Plays, includuing musicals, are not the same as movies, and new arrangements of the story, changed dialogue, different emphesis are not only expected between one cast and another, but also happen during the production run. In musicals, the orchestra is not simply providing a soundtrack, but is part of the cast, a non-verbal equivalent of the "chorus" part in greek tragedy, that provides a necessary element of added meaning (logos), characterization (ethos), and emotion (pathos) to the performances of the actors on the stage. The orchestra rehearses with the cast, provides feedback to directly and through their music, and thus is an integral part of keeping the live performance a "live" thing. Replacing the orchestra with automation will limit the possible range of what the production can express, and brings the production one step closer to being McTheatre.
Of course, since damn thing is almost indistinguishable from an ALW production, "Les Miz" is almost as close to McTheatre as one can get.
Solar distillation is becoming the prefered method for producing ethanol in third world countries. There's no reason that tech can't be used here as well.
Hell, I'm pretty sure that most of my dad's cousins still have an "ethanol plant" hidden back behind the barn.
what you'll make your fertilizer from
spent mash, corn waste, hay. Feed it to the "fertilizer plant", get bacon whenever you "upgrade" the factory.
how you'll get your ethanol to your hydrogen plant all without using any fossil fuels...
RTFA. The unit does that for you.
Ethanol can be produced from agricultural by-products as well (such as corn-cobs and stalks, rice and wheat straw, etc.), not just whole grain. Alongside renewable natural gas, this technology could reduce farm waste and agicultural surplus problems, reduce America's dependance on fossil fuels, help balance the trade deficit, and help family owned farms stay in business while reducing the cost of energy for the end user. All good things, IMHO.
A lot of people will be crying at the demise of the oil import giants, but I am certainly not one of them.
what happens if a multinational corporation keeps information gathered in your country in a different country?
I would assume that they'll either pay massive fines and stop violating the law or cease doing business in Canada.
It would be nice to see such an act passed here in the US, but I doubt it will happen. Not only are the large companies too powerful, most of the citizens would rather toady up to Mr. Megacorp than ask their legislators to protect our privacy rights.
Well, a lot of this stuff just happened to be written by people who work at NASA. They're not necessarily programs that NASA is using.
I guess NASA developed the Beowulf cluster for the fun of it. It's not like they need supercomputing for anything they do there. Here's a search for linux at NASA's website. Most of what they do there needs a real OS, and Linux is probably the most feature rich OS that fits that description.
Nasa seemed happy releasing code under the GPL for quite some time, and I find it odd that that is changing now.
Ever use a network card under Linux, much of the networking code came from NASA (mostly from Donald Becker).
Still dreaming about that Beowulf cluster? That also came out of NASA.
Perhaps the lawyers felt left out, so they're trying to do thier part and look useful. Why would NASA find that a license that has served them well for years needs replacing? Any lawyers opine on the new license yet?
If you lived in a small, isolated, town, the shopkeepers there would know far more about you than these corporations will ever be able to milk from audit trails.
If you lived in a small, isolated, town, you would likely know as much about the shopkeeper as he knows about you.
And having lived in a small, but not so isolated town, I can say there is a much higher level of comfort and trust when you've known the local "Dusty Roads" storekeeper as your best friend's granddad than when the salesclone at Prada in SF knows what you bought last week in NY.
I wonder how long it will be before the Department of Homeland Security is given access to all of these records. You can never bee too sure if that guy buying stockings is really a transvestite! He just might be a terrorist looking for a more stylish mask!
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Disney bought go.com back when go.com was known as infoseek and was one of the more tolerable search engines around at the time. Pretty much killed infoseek by changing the business model from providing search services to being a web portal company, and go.com has been surviving on Disney subsidies ever since.
Many people work their entire lives in their profession and never earn more than $45k/year.
Yes, but the people refered to in the grandparent post are lucky to be making $20,000.00 a year, and I personally know many highly skilled, highlty educated folk who would love to get a $45,000.00 a year job.
It was the assholes who were being payed the six figure salary (and those who were paying them) that spoiled the pot in this case and attracted the "money set" to tech jobs in the first place, often replacing those who have the aptitude and the nknow-how with those who have the connections.
It wasn't the techies who were coming up with the asininely stupid "get-rich-quick" business plans in the first place, but they sure are the ones paying for it now. Case in point, ArsDigita, a company that was profitable from the start, but failed after the venture capitalists came in to "help". I'm sure that there's otheer examples of how the business community screwed promising young companies out of a future, but this one is a prime example of how the venture-capital scam was not a crime on the part of the techies, but rather on the part of a business culture that wanted "in" on this "internet thing" when they had very little understanding of how any of it works and even less interest in what the implications of the internet are for businesses who wish to ply thier trade there.
You are assuming either that there will be as many higher paying jobs made available, or that you will be one of the winners in the outsourcing lottery.
I hope you've got the right family and friends who can hand you that high-paying gig, as that's one drawing that everyone knows is fixed.
which is what.htaccess is for, but I guess you've never configured a webserver.
There's a lot of this going around lately, whether we're talking webservers or configuring sendmail: a lot of folks with their shiny new CS degrees telling the rest of us that our tools are broken and asking us to trust Mr. Bill to set us straight. I'd be a lot more confident with their advice if they would at least give the impression that they had ever configured the tools they are so ready to throw aside the tools they say are broken.
I seem to recall in the past that Creative Commons had some problems with the GPL and its ilk in the past due to its somewhat viral nature.
Hmmm...
I seemto recall that the only propblem the Creative Commons people had with the GPL was that it was to specific to acheive what they were attempting to acheive. Which is why the Creative Commons does not promote only a single license, but a full spectrum of licenses that are only as limiting or as "viral" as the copyright holder whishes them to be. There is a Creative Commons "Share Alike" license that is very much similar to the GPL.
Why not use an existing and available metadata standard, such as the jpeg2000 metadata standard, or the EXIF standard that embeds the metadata into the image file?
These standards are already available, are already being used in cameras and imaging software, and are documented well enough that support can be implemented into your open-source imagebrowser or other app. There is no reason to add (now redundant) metadata layer to the filesystem or image database when the required metadata is already included in the image file itself in a easy to extract manner.
Perhaps Microsoft is working within the existing standards while selling it as their own creation. If they are, it would not be the first time, and that would still be much more desirable than if they were rolling their own non-compatible, propietary standard.
Are for the time being usually kids just looking for a little attention.
The ones who get interviewed for the annual "virus underground" stories certainly are, but the rest are usually kids (and adults) who like seeing if something will work. We probably never even notice thweir work, as it usually is designed to not draw attention to itself, and has no payload other than for tracking its progress.
They're the computer geek version of the guys who soup up cars,
No, the computer geek version of the motorheads are the overclockers.
or join the varsity team.
msce.
the rest of your post is just alarmist BS, much like the crap being spread shortly after the AT&T crash of 1990. Keep spreading that shit and the same folk who brought us the patriot act will be collecting fees for your CS license and checking your background for your clearance to use a compiler.
to you for explaining, but no thanks to the guys who have proposed this.
Now every bit of speech would be subject to an ecconomic means test. The wealthier folk could simply bar those lesswealthy from communicating with them (even in an emergency) by setting their level much higher. I would assume that most people would want their level for a particular sender to at least match the level that person would require of him.
It is as if the economics of advertising and political patronage is invading private communication. Is this an attempt at enforcing a class system? or are the proposers claiming that a class system is necessary in order to solve the spam problem.
I actually got to work on reverse-engineering computer viruses for an antivirus effort, and I remember this one computer virus - the Frodo virus.
Have you ever found an example of this virus that wrote the boot sector correctly? As far as I know, all documented versions of the virus write the boot sector incorrectly and cause a hang before the message is displayed.
Because a user can easily generate a seperate keypair for each "identity he uses online, his anonymity would not be harmed, and the signing the email would still assure arecipient that the email did in fact come from the user who claimed to have sent it (even if that userid is a fictitious construct). As for the web of trust, I know that I can sign qtp's key to assure that thiose who trust my key know that I have identified qtp's key as belonging to him.
PKI is, IMHO, the correct way to solve the sender verification problem but there has been difficulty in getting it adopted for wide usage, and in creating interfaces that remove some of the difficulties for newer users.
Other issues leaning heavily against your argument would be that you have posed a false analogy, as it is difficult to make a case for filesharing being as harmful to individuals and society as rampand addictive drug use, and that the actual harm to the members of the RIAA is difficult to calculate, because you cannot say how many of the downloaders are actually using the service to test drive music before buying (in which case filesharing is acting as advertising for the RIAA members products), or how many copies of a particular song has been downloaded (I doubt the RIAA has actually researched the logs of every kazaa/morpheus install prosecuted for this statistic).
There is nothing stopping them from being responsible for the content - they could require shareable files to be hashed and verified before they could be shared.
Which would require centralized control, be rather expensive, and would completely change the nature of the P2P network. One of the beauties of P2P is the lack of centralized control, and to change that would introduce the possibility of censorship, not only for eliminating copyrighted material, but for eliminating dissent in some of the more oppressive countries. P2P is not necessarily limited to music (I have downloaded various text-files from the gnutella network) and a raid such as this is simply intimidation, and very likely a reaction to the way the court case in the US seems to be heading (see above link).
The only reason that WHOIS data is public in the first place is that when ICANN was being set up the competing registrars insisted that the rules should allow them to see Network solution's customer list so they could spam them with transfer offers.
Actually, the only reason the whois data is publicly available is because it lways has been, even when it was hosted by DARPA, and it used to contain a lot more info than just domain reg stuff, such as email to realworld name, what domains were registered to specific person and other useful tidbits that we can no longer access. It was something of a nationwide, geek only telephone and email directory. The client back when you started wasn't called whois, it was called NICname, but it's still the same database, just stripped down and moved about.
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Money talks...
You left out the part that applies to your post.
How much revenue does a tech that a company is making available for free (as in beer) generate?
I'll give you a hint: The same amount as they would make from opening the source.
If Java were open sourced, Sun would still be able to retain the copyright and sell their "Java Enterprise System" as a product. Java development would gain the benefit of more coders working on the project, Sun would likely retain the "upstream developer" mantle to direct the project, and they would not be losing any revenue stream as they already make the SDK and JRE available for free (as in beer).
Yeah, the cards are all in their deck, and unfortunately they are already giving them out for nothing in exchange. Community development would at leasdt be an opportunity for the Java users to give something back, and that is what appears to be missing from Sun's current Java plan.
why do we need words like bad and evil when good- and good-- will work just fine?
I think the proper NewSpeak terms are "!good" and "++!good".
I beleive the point that Darnok is making is that replacing the musician's live performance with an automated playback reduces the feedback between cast and orchestra, in a sense you are reducing the performance to a static, dead tthing, you may as well just watch the video.
Plays, includuing musicals, are not the same as movies, and new arrangements of the story, changed dialogue, different emphesis are not only expected between one cast and another, but also happen during the production run. In musicals, the orchestra is not simply providing a soundtrack, but is part of the cast, a non-verbal equivalent of the "chorus" part in greek tragedy, that provides a necessary element of added meaning (logos), characterization (ethos), and emotion (pathos) to the performances of the actors on the stage. The orchestra rehearses with the cast, provides feedback to directly and through their music, and thus is an integral part of keeping the live performance a "live" thing. Replacing the orchestra with automation will limit the possible range of what the production can express, and brings the production one step closer to being McTheatre.
Of course, since damn thing is almost indistinguishable from an ALW production, "Les Miz" is almost as close to McTheatre as one can get.
Solar distillation is becoming the prefered method for producing ethanol in third world countries. There's no reason that tech can't be used here as well.
transport it to the ethanol plant
Hell, I'm pretty sure that most of my dad's cousins still have an "ethanol plant" hidden back behind the barn.
what you'll make your fertilizer from
spent mash, corn waste, hay. Feed it to the "fertilizer plant", get bacon whenever you "upgrade" the factory.
how you'll get your ethanol to your hydrogen plant all without using any fossil fuels...
RTFA. The unit does that for you.
Ethanol can be produced from agricultural by-products as well (such as corn-cobs and stalks, rice and wheat straw, etc.), not just whole grain. Alongside renewable natural gas, this technology could reduce farm waste and agicultural surplus problems, reduce America's dependance on fossil fuels, help balance the trade deficit, and help family owned farms stay in business while reducing the cost of energy for the end user. All good things, IMHO.
A lot of people will be crying at the demise of the oil import giants, but I am certainly not one of them.
what happens if a multinational corporation keeps information gathered in your country in a different country?
I would assume that they'll either pay massive fines and stop violating the law or cease doing business in Canada.
It would be nice to see such an act passed here in the US, but I doubt it will happen. Not only are the large companies too powerful, most of the citizens would rather toady up to Mr. Megacorp than ask their legislators to protect our privacy rights.
Well, a lot of this stuff just happened to be written by people who work at NASA. They're not necessarily programs that NASA is using.
I guess NASA developed the Beowulf cluster for the fun of it. It's not like they need supercomputing for anything they do there. Here's a search for linux at NASA's website. Most of what they do there needs a real OS, and Linux is probably the most feature rich OS that fits that description.
Nasa seemed happy releasing code under the GPL for quite some time, and I find it odd that that is changing now.
Ever use a network card under Linux, much of the networking code came from NASA (mostly from Donald Becker).
Still dreaming about that Beowulf cluster? That also came out of NASA.
Perhaps the lawyers felt left out, so they're trying to do thier part and look useful. Why would NASA find that a license that has served them well for years needs replacing? Any lawyers opine on the new license yet?
It has happened before, in the Inslaw/Promis Software Affair.
Oh yeah, that was a propietary app. Guess there's no security there either.
If you lived in a small, isolated, town, the shopkeepers there would know far more about you than these corporations will ever be able to milk from audit trails.
If you lived in a small, isolated, town, you would likely know as much about the shopkeeper as he knows about you.
And having lived in a small, but not so isolated town, I can say there is a much higher level of comfort and trust when you've known the local "Dusty Roads" storekeeper as your best friend's granddad than when the salesclone at Prada in SF knows what you bought last week in NY.
I wonder how long it will be before the Department of Homeland Security is given access to all of these records. You can never bee too sure if that guy buying stockings is really a transvestite! He just might be a terrorist looking for a more stylish mask!
South Park?
Gotta keep the spin "Easy enough for *her*, so you can certainly handle it."
That's clearly the wrong spin to get the men to willingly try Linux, you need to chalenge the (most often misplaced) confidence in male superiority.
"It was easy for *her*, but some of you may run into difficulties. Just ask *her* for a little help."
As a male, I can safely say that no such chalenge can ever go unanswered, even if we know that the fix is already in.
Disney owns go.com.
Disney bought go.com back when go.com was known as infoseek and was one of the more tolerable search engines around at the time. Pretty much killed infoseek by changing the business model from providing search services to being a web portal company, and go.com has been surviving on Disney subsidies ever since.
Many people work their entire lives in their profession and never earn more than $45k/year.
Yes, but the people refered to in the grandparent post are lucky to be making $20,000.00 a year, and I personally know many highly skilled, highlty educated folk who would love to get a $45,000.00 a year job.
It was the assholes who were being payed the six figure salary (and those who were paying them) that spoiled the pot in this case and attracted the "money set" to tech jobs in the first place, often replacing those who have the aptitude and the nknow-how with those who have the connections.
It wasn't the techies who were coming up with the asininely stupid "get-rich-quick" business plans in the first place, but they sure are the ones paying for it now. Case in point, ArsDigita, a company that was profitable from the start, but failed after the venture capitalists came in to "help". I'm sure that there's otheer examples of how the business community screwed promising young companies out of a future, but this one is a prime example of how the venture-capital scam was not a crime on the part of the techies, but rather on the part of a business culture that wanted "in" on this "internet thing" when they had very little understanding of how any of it works and even less interest in what the implications of the internet are for businesses who wish to ply thier trade there.
You are assuming either that there will be as many higher paying jobs made available, or that you will be one of the winners in the outsourcing lottery.
I hope you've got the right family and friends who can hand you that high-paying gig, as that's one drawing that everyone knows is fixed.
which is what .htaccess is for, but I guess you've never configured a webserver.
There's a lot of this going around lately, whether we're talking webservers or configuring sendmail: a lot of folks with their shiny new CS degrees telling the rest of us that our tools are broken and asking us to trust Mr. Bill to set us straight. I'd be a lot more confident with their advice if they would at least give the impression that they had ever configured the tools they are so ready to throw aside the tools they say are broken.
Can I copy and paste between apps now?
That's funny, highlighting the desired text, then middle clicking on the destination always seems to work for me.
It's a good thing I do all my editing at home, as it never seems to work quite so smoothly in Windows.
and I'm not even using Gnome (or KDE).
I seem to recall in the past that Creative Commons had some problems with the GPL and its ilk in the past due to its somewhat viral nature.
Hmmm...
I seemto recall that the only propblem the Creative Commons people had with the GPL was that it was to specific to acheive what they were attempting to acheive. Which is why the Creative Commons does not promote only a single license, but a full spectrum of licenses that are only as limiting or as "viral" as the copyright holder whishes them to be. There is a Creative Commons "Share Alike" license that is very much similar to the GPL.
Why not use an existing and available metadata standard, such as the jpeg2000 metadata standard, or the EXIF standard that embeds the metadata into the image file?
These standards are already available, are already being used in cameras and imaging software,
and are documented well enough that support can be implemented into your open-source imagebrowser or other app. There is no reason to add (now redundant) metadata layer to the filesystem or image database when the required metadata is already included in the image file itself in a easy to extract manner.
There are some interesting and informative articles pertaining to image metadata located at the TASI website and an article about accessing jpeg metadata using java (not really java specific) over at Sun's Java site.
Perhaps Microsoft is working within the existing standards while selling it as their own creation. If they are, it would not be the first time, and that would still be much more desirable than if they were rolling their own non-compatible, propietary standard.
Are for the time being usually kids just looking for a little attention.
The ones who get interviewed for the annual "virus underground" stories certainly are, but the rest are usually kids (and adults) who like seeing if something will work. We probably never even notice thweir work, as it usually is designed to not draw attention to itself, and has no payload other than for tracking its progress.
They're the computer geek version of the guys who soup up cars,
No, the computer geek version of the motorheads are the overclockers.
or join the varsity team.
msce.
the rest of your post is just alarmist BS, much like the crap being spread shortly after the AT&T crash of 1990. Keep spreading that shit and the same folk who brought us the patriot act will be collecting fees for your CS license and checking your background for your clearance to use a compiler.
to you for explaining, but no thanks to the guys who have proposed this.
Now every bit of speech would be subject to an ecconomic means test. The wealthier folk could simply bar those lesswealthy from communicating with them (even in an emergency) by setting their level much higher. I would assume that most people would want their level for a particular sender to at least match the level that person would require of him.
It is as if the economics of advertising and political patronage is invading private communication. Is this an attempt at enforcing a class system? or are the proposers claiming that a class system is necessary in order to solve the spam problem.
I actually got to work on reverse-engineering computer viruses for an antivirus effort, and I remember this one computer virus - the Frodo virus.
Have you ever found an example of this virus that wrote the boot sector correctly? As far as I know, all documented versions of the virus write the boot sector incorrectly and cause a hang before the message is displayed.
Because a user can easily generate a seperate keypair for each "identity he uses online, his anonymity would not be harmed, and the signing the email would still assure arecipient that the email did in fact come from the user who claimed to have sent it (even if that userid is a fictitious construct). As for the web of trust, I know that I can sign qtp's key to assure that thiose who trust my key know that I have identified qtp's key as belonging to him.
PKI is, IMHO, the correct way to solve the sender verification problem but there has been difficulty in getting it adopted for wide usage, and in creating interfaces that remove some of the difficulties for newer users.
ASAICT, the actual figure is closer to 90%, at least this is what was conceded by RIAA lawyers in the US case and was discussed here on /. some hours ago.
Other issues leaning heavily against your argument would be that you have posed a false analogy, as it is difficult to make a case for filesharing being as harmful to individuals and society as rampand addictive drug use, and that the actual harm to the members of the RIAA is difficult to calculate, because you cannot say how many of the downloaders are actually using the service to test drive music before buying (in which case filesharing is acting as advertising for the RIAA members products), or how many copies of a particular song has been downloaded (I doubt the RIAA has actually researched the logs of every kazaa/morpheus install prosecuted for this statistic).
There is nothing stopping them from being responsible for the content - they could require shareable files to be hashed and verified before they could be shared.
Which would require centralized control, be rather expensive, and would completely change the nature of the P2P network. One of the beauties of P2P is the lack of centralized control, and to change that would introduce the possibility of censorship, not only for eliminating copyrighted material, but for eliminating dissent in some of the more oppressive countries. P2P is not necessarily limited to music (I have downloaded various text-files from the gnutella network) and a raid such as this is simply intimidation, and very likely a reaction to the way the court case in the US seems to be heading (see above link).
The only reason that WHOIS data is public in the first place is that when ICANN was being set up the competing registrars insisted that the rules should allow them to see Network solution's customer list so they could spam them with transfer offers.
Actually, the only reason the whois data is publicly available is because it lways has been, even when it was hosted by DARPA, and it used to contain a lot more info than just domain reg stuff, such as email to realworld name, what domains were registered to specific person and other useful tidbits that we can no longer access. It was something of a nationwide, geek only telephone and email directory. The client back when you started wasn't called whois, it was called NICname, but it's still the same database, just stripped down and moved about.