I didn't find Zimbra difficult to install. I set it up for a client using CentOS 5. Google for CentOS 5 instructions and follow them. The most difficult part of installing Zimbra is figuring out split DNS if you are behind a firewall.
My normal mail setup is Qmail using Bill Shupp's toaster instructions. No calendar there.
Scalix on the otherhand, is the only failed OpenSource project I've done. It was easy enough to setup, but mail delivery was not reliable. After one week live, we backed down to the previous solution.
The only real problem using Zimbra for calendaring, is that it is Web based (slow). At least that is true of the community/open source version.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Web browsing is nearly unuseable on my Nokia 9300 with Opera Mini. I want a nice phone with terminal, bash, vim, links, and pine! Wait, Putty (ssh, works so I guess I have all the above. I just need glasses to see the little screen.
Most systems and designs really suck for seniors. Small fonts, confusing UI and way too many options. I am thinking of experimenting with KDE stripped down and in Kiosk mode. MC
If you want the option to be very aggressive about spam control, TMDA (Tagged Message Delivery Agent) is a challenge based tool that requires a sender to confirm their sending address before the incoming message is delivered.
I haven't made up my mind concerning GPL3, but Microsoft's war against it is nearly enough to sway me towards GPL3. Microsoft is using cross licensing agreements, and attempting to herd Free Software into a commercial vendor only arena (Novell). Once there, they can compete with and or kill it using the usual dirty tricks. So if the question is "Where do you want to go today"? The answer is somewhere free of Microsoft. MC
For my laptop (IBM X-31) I have to agree. I had WPA working with Kubuntu three versions ago, then the next version came out and it was broken/hasle. I switched to SuSe 10.1 and everything, EVERYTHING worked. Suspend, WPA, videos, sound. I just wish Novell wouldn't be so cozy/stupid with Microsoft. But for my laptop OpenSuSe is the bee's knees. IMHO, with KDE SuSe is slicker than Windows or OSX as a productivity workstation.
My last two laptops were an Apple powerPC ibook and then an IBM X-31 Thinkpad. From that prospective, here is my opinion on future laptops. From the Thinkpad: 1) make it at least as tough and durable, 2) make it at least as Linux compatible, 3) please give me a nub not a pad for mouseing (sic) (or both). From the iBook: 1) keep the bottom as smooth as possible, 2)slot loading optical disks should rule in laptops 3) not black 4) cables on back and one side, opposite of optical drive 5) style is your friend, 6)sleep with a breathing LED. In general I want 6 hour battery life, at least sub 5 pound weight, work (wireless with WPA, sound, and suspend/sleep) with Ubuntu/Debian, CentOS/RedHat and Suse Linux straight from the install DVDs, , two power supplies (home and travel), and please price it at a $1000 or less.
PS What I didn't like from the Thinkpad 1) black, 2) rough slots and crap on bottom 3) no optical drive built in, from the Apple, 1) not durable (two hard drives died in first year), 2) ONE BUTTON scroll pad 3)not much choice on Linux distros and at the time, no drivers for wireless. 3)Apple fanatics.
I use a ThinkPlus USB Keyboard with UltraNav (pointer nub and scroll pad). Google it. About a hundred bucks in the US. I have had carpel tunnel release surgery which didn't do much. Using the mouse aggravates my stress injury more than keyboard typing. Unfortunately I still have to deal with all those other peoples computers in my line of work.
What would they bring to the table? What we they cost. We they stay around long term?
What my server distro needs: 1) strong community support 2) strong security, automatic patch management 3) long term stability - three years minimum of patch support 4) a workable Samba package with ldap integrated from the package install 5) a workable, virtual domain capable, with easy administration, IMAP, webmail, ldap, and etc, email package with packaged *version* updates to at least clam for virus protection.
These are the server capabilities I look for when I roll out a remote office. Once these servers are setup, they are mostly ignored for years. I want to install and setup automatic patching and trust the distro to not break and stay secure.
The closest I can come to that now is with Redhat Enterprise or CentOS. To get the clam updates I have to add Dag Wieers' apt/yum repository. The packaged email and LDAP support doesn't meet the easily to setup or admin stipulation. Finally Redhat is too expensive and CentOS community support people are liable to try to run the life of one of my customers who accidentally asks them for help.
My hope is that Debian or maybe Ubuntu eventually fills this niche.
I don't have much need for free email, but I do have a gmail account. The one thing I hate is no folders. I also was looking at picasa for photo management for my wife. Again not very folder friendly. Tags maybe the trendy thing, but I like physical organization.
I appreciate Google letting you use pop3 to download your email and letting you change the reply to address. Having used both squirrelmail on my own server, gmail and the Zimbra demo server, web mail, ajax or straight seems destined to be slow and clunky.
Ok I can't resist. The answer is yes, Linux does have something like Windows update, but better. I admin both Linux and Windows Servers and Linux wins this one for me. Windows primary Update flaw is the insistence on reboot after many of the updates. This is a result of Windows design. Most of the time that isn't too bad, but occassionally it doesn't come back up. Bad for servers. The secondary flaw is occasionally the Windows packages break things. RHEL, CentOS ect. use up2date which hasn't ever caused me a problem. Mostly I use CentOS and cron.daily yum to update. I also have Debian and Ubuntu updating with cron.daily apt-get update apt-get upgrade. Again Linux doesn't automatically reboot after updates and rarely need to. The only situation requiring a reboot on a Linux server is replacing the kernel. As pointed out by others, your Linux distro will update everything installed with it's package system, your Windows server updates only the core OS. If you manage a lot of servers scattered in a lot of locations, Linux is much easier in this and virtually all other respects. I was a MCSE before I learning Linux and still setup and admin both. I very much prefer Linux.
Literally, I suppose the BSD style license is more free. However that "extra" freedom lets people lock up their use of the community's code. That is why Apple chose it. I prefer the GPL. It is a pragmatic choice for me that happens to ring true. The words used may be slogans and rhetoric to you, but after 25 years in this field, they are real and meaningful to me.
I have dabbled with FreeBSD. I loved the ports system and could live with their license. However, I don't really consider OSX to be the same. It is more like Kerberos under Windows. Something open that has been extended in a proprietary way, so that it is no longer really open.
I *did* run Ubuntu on my iBook. I also used Fink and ran KDE under OSX. That was pretty lame. I also lived with OSX natively for seven months. For *me* Linux was more comfortable and easier to use and I could control the user interface and use OpenOffice easily with it. If my community developed OS goes a direction I disagree with, I can fork it. Using a corporate developed OS you follow their roadmap.
Neither Apple nor Broadcom cared enough for me as a user to unlock their hardware for use under alternative OSes. The IBM laptop is open enough that I can use every hardware feature under Linux. The Apple wasn't that useful.
I didn't buy a Thinkpad X31 to play games. What kind of games do you think would run on such a laptop? You must be "touched" to say that. I also have never use wine.
So nice *fake* Aristotle style troll, but your response is not helpful to me. I am not impressed.
I answered the parent posts question about whether the wireless hardware support and battery life on an iBook was the same under Linux as OSX. The answer was no. You answered nothing.
I had a 1Ghz iBook. It had great battery life under OSX (4.5 hours). It had about half that under Ubuntu. Granted the Ubuntu wasn't tweeked. Of course, the wireless also didn't work under Ubuntu and the one button track pad sucked under Ubuntu. It also ate hard drives (three in seven months). I finally decided to give it to one of my ipod owning kids and bought another Thinkpad (X-31). It runs Ununtu fine, with about the same 3.5 hours of battery life under X crap P as under wonderful Ubuntu. The wireless works under Ubuntu and I love the Thinkpad trackpoint. So much for my Mac experiment. However, I do love Apples design of hardware (not counting one button pointers). The Thinkpad seems so industrial compared to the iBook. I miss the white case, smooth bottom and the iBook had the best keyboard of any laptop I have ever owned. I wish I could combine Thinkpad and iBook in to one uber laptop. I wouldn't mind a Mac mini or G5 as a desktop, but I wouldn't be running OSX. Michael
I bought a iBook and lived with it for seven months (three hard drives). I've replaced it with a X-31 Thinkpad running Ubuntu. There were some cool things about OSX, but basically I don't get the hype. Plus OSX is another proprietary OS where you as the end user are locked into and at the mercy of a corporation. Not for me. Freedom is important.
I sysadmin Linux and w2k servers for a living. Plus babysit an awful hodgepodge of Windows desktops. I have at my desk w2k and ubuntu with KVM switch and my laptop is an iBook running OSX. Granted OSX handles wireless the best, but I certainly don't feel the most productive using it. In fact it is the most irritating to me. Otherwise it is a toss up between w2k and ubuntu, but if I had to have just one, it would certainly be Linux.
I personally found SysV style of init trivial to learn. I admin quite a few RedHat systems. RedHat's documentation is decent, but to really learn, read.
Probably even better advice is to buddy up. It is much easier to learn with a partner. MC
Seriously, I suggest you start with FreeBSD. They have the best documentation plus Absolute BSD is an incredible book. After you work through the BSD documentation you can learn whatever Linux you prefer.
In the beginning there is so much to learn. I was where you are in 1999. As a Windows head, you will need to learn and understand the directory structure, the history of Unix/Linux and the philosophy of Unix.
It takes a 6 months to a year to get your bearings and five years to get good at it. But your are about to learn more than you ever expected about Networking and guts of computing.
I admin six servers plus three workstations. All the servers were RedHat 7.3 and the workstations were RedHat 9. I am switching the mail/web servers to FreeBSD 4.9. I am switching the workstations to Debian and FreeBSD. The Samba servers are staying on Redhat 7.3 for now. They are inside firewalls and so are relatively safe. I will probably move them to Debian later. Like many folks here, I "grew up" on Redhat starting with 5.2. I paid for a half a dozen up2date subscriptions for the last couple of years, and bought most releases. I'll be darned if I am going to use a version of Linux with a license that says they can come and audit my sites. That seems totally counter to Free software. Nor do I feel any need to be their beta testers with Fedora. I really don't want to deal with any more "commercial" distros after RedHat and Caldera! Sorry Suse and Mandrake, but I've been burned twice. I am debating whether or really when to sell my RedHat stock.
I've been doing this for 20 years. I installed a couple hundred Novell LANs from 1985 till 1995. I certified and became a CNE. As Novell grew, they lost sight of those of us who installed and took care of their customers. I moved on to Microsoft. From 1995 till 1999, I installed a couple hundred more NT networks. I certified, and became a MCSE. I grew to despise MS and their arrogance. They treated they vendors and customers with little respect. I moved on to Linux. I have installed around 20 RH servers. I have my customers buy $60 up2date subscriptions and boxed sets. Red Hat has now become so arrogant I think I will sell my stock and move my customers and allegiance to Debian.
My question is do you think you can grow the company without the support of the thousands of network engineers, sysadmins, technicians and enthusiasts who advise the customers?
I have moved over to Mozilla browsing and Mozilla mail on Linux from IE and Mozilla browsing and Eudora mail on w2k Pro.
On the browser, the only thing I miss from the IE days is the ability to send a link to the desktop. I sure don't miss the pop ups and I love tabs.
On the email, Mozilla is as good or better than Eudora at arranging folders and filtering. It does IMAP very well and the filters work pretty well. One thing I don't like, is when I cut and paste, if I don't put a to: address in first, the paste goes in the address box.
Baysian filters on 1.3 only partly work for me (it marks, but fail to move or delete). My manual filtering (read and then run filters to move) works great. Rearranging my mail folders is "dolt" simple. I started with Mozilla on w2k and it was nice to move the same setup over to RH9.
I used Mozilla mail to "import" my email archive from 1996 on, to my IMAP server.
I prefer Mozilla to Evolution (or Kmail). But I wouldn't mind having Evolutions v-folders. Since I use IMAP, I have Evolution set to pull the mail offline as a backup to the server. But I do all my reading and filtering in Mozilla.
I would love to be able to filter a subject to send (bounce) an email to a list of receipents, sort of a mail-list from the client thing. I have ezmlm but would like to show clients how to setup a small mail list using Mozilla. Anyone know how to do this with Mozilla, or Eudora or Outlook Express?
Again, I think the critics of Mozilla mail haven't really tried it since the Netscape 4.7 days.
I find the combination of IMAP, squirrelmail and Mozilla to be powerful and they are improving rapidly. I am starting to evangilize Mozilla's use to my customer base.
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I didn't find Zimbra difficult to install. I set it up for a client using CentOS 5. Google for CentOS 5 instructions and follow them. The most difficult part of installing Zimbra is figuring out split DNS if you are behind a firewall.
My normal mail setup is Qmail using Bill Shupp's toaster instructions. No calendar there.
Scalix on the otherhand, is the only failed OpenSource project I've done. It was easy enough to setup, but mail delivery was not reliable. After one week live, we backed down to the previous solution.
The only real problem using Zimbra for calendaring, is that it is Web based (slow). At least that is true of the community/open source version.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Web browsing is nearly unuseable on my Nokia 9300 with Opera Mini. I want a nice phone with terminal, bash, vim, links, and pine! Wait, Putty (ssh, works so I guess I have all the above. I just need glasses to see the little screen.
Most systems and designs really suck for seniors. Small fonts, confusing UI and way too many options. I am thinking of experimenting with KDE stripped down and in Kiosk mode.
MC
That is covered in the FAQ. http://wiki.tmda.net/TmdaFaq#head-ee35633e2369946d a0d2496b4600b7411ec8be50
Spam is the problem.
If you want the option to be very aggressive about spam control, TMDA (Tagged Message Delivery Agent) is a challenge based tool that requires a sender to confirm their sending address before the incoming message is delivered.
So maybe TMDA is the answer.
I haven't made up my mind concerning GPL3, but Microsoft's war against it is nearly enough to sway me towards GPL3. Microsoft is using cross licensing agreements, and attempting to herd Free Software into a commercial vendor only arena (Novell). Once there, they can compete with and or kill it using the usual dirty tricks. So if the question is "Where do you want to go today"? The answer is somewhere free of Microsoft.
MC
For my laptop (IBM X-31) I have to agree. I had WPA working with Kubuntu three versions ago, then the next version came out and it was broken/hasle. I switched to SuSe 10.1 and everything, EVERYTHING worked. Suspend, WPA, videos, sound. I just wish Novell wouldn't be so cozy/stupid with Microsoft. But for my laptop OpenSuSe is the bee's knees. IMHO, with KDE SuSe is slicker than Windows or OSX as a productivity workstation.
My last two laptops were an Apple powerPC ibook and then an IBM X-31 Thinkpad. From that prospective, here is my opinion on future laptops. From the Thinkpad: 1) make it at least as tough and durable, 2) make it at least as Linux compatible, 3) please give me a nub not a pad for mouseing (sic) (or both). From the iBook: 1) keep the bottom as smooth as possible, 2)slot loading optical disks should rule in laptops 3) not black 4) cables on back and one side, opposite of optical drive 5) style is your friend, 6)sleep with a breathing LED. In general I want 6 hour battery life, at least sub 5 pound weight, work (wireless with WPA, sound, and suspend/sleep) with Ubuntu/Debian, CentOS/RedHat and Suse Linux straight from the install DVDs, , two power supplies (home and travel), and please price it at a $1000 or less.
PS What I didn't like from the Thinkpad 1) black, 2) rough slots and crap on bottom 3) no optical drive built in, from the Apple, 1) not durable (two hard drives died in first year), 2) ONE BUTTON scroll pad 3)not much choice on Linux distros and at the time, no drivers for wireless. 3)Apple fanatics.
I use a ThinkPlus USB Keyboard with UltraNav (pointer nub and scroll pad). Google it. About a hundred bucks in the US. I have had carpel tunnel release surgery which didn't do much. Using the mouse aggravates my stress injury more than keyboard typing. Unfortunately I still have to deal with all those other peoples computers in my line of work.
Sorry for that first line. I guess you really should hit the Preview button. Make it:
What would they bring to the table? What would it cost. Would they stay around long term?
Somebody please moderate me down.
What would they bring to the table? What we they cost. We they stay around long term?
What my server distro needs: 1) strong community support 2) strong security, automatic patch management 3) long term stability - three years minimum of patch support 4) a workable Samba package with ldap integrated from the package install 5) a workable, virtual domain capable, with easy administration, IMAP, webmail, ldap, and etc, email package with packaged *version* updates to at least clam for virus protection.
These are the server capabilities I look for when I roll out a remote office. Once these servers are setup, they are mostly ignored for years. I want to install and setup automatic patching and trust the distro to not break and stay secure.
The closest I can come to that now is with Redhat Enterprise or CentOS. To get the clam updates I have to add Dag Wieers' apt/yum repository. The packaged email and LDAP support doesn't meet the easily to setup or admin stipulation. Finally Redhat is too expensive and CentOS community support people are liable to try to run the life of one of my customers who accidentally asks them for help.
My hope is that Debian or maybe Ubuntu eventually fills this niche.
I don't have much need for free email, but I do have a gmail account. The one thing I hate is no folders. I also was looking at picasa for photo management for my wife. Again not very folder friendly. Tags maybe the trendy thing, but I like physical organization.
I appreciate Google letting you use pop3 to download your email and letting you change the reply to address. Having used both squirrelmail on my own server, gmail and the Zimbra demo server, web mail, ajax or straight seems destined to be slow and clunky.
Ok I can't resist. The answer is yes, Linux does have something like Windows update, but better. I admin both Linux and Windows Servers and Linux wins this one for me. Windows primary Update flaw is the insistence on reboot after many of the updates. This is a result of Windows design. Most of the time that isn't too bad, but occassionally it doesn't come back up. Bad for servers. The secondary flaw is occasionally the Windows packages break things. RHEL, CentOS ect. use up2date which hasn't ever caused me a problem. Mostly I use CentOS and cron.daily yum to update. I also have Debian and Ubuntu updating with cron.daily apt-get update apt-get upgrade. Again Linux doesn't automatically reboot after updates and rarely need to. The only situation requiring a reboot on a Linux server is replacing the kernel. As pointed out by others, your Linux distro will update everything installed with it's package system, your Windows server updates only the core OS. If you manage a lot of servers scattered in a lot of locations, Linux is much easier in this and virtually all other respects. I was a MCSE before I learning Linux and still setup and admin both. I very much prefer Linux.
My biggest hassel with a Linux on the laptop is wireless support and especially WPA. How is 5.10's support for ipw2200 and WPA_supplicant?
MC
I prefer, an Apple box, runing Ubuntu Linux with a Microsoft mouse and IBM Keyboard. There is everyone happy now?
Literally, I suppose the BSD style license is more free. However that "extra" freedom lets people lock up their use of the community's code. That is why Apple chose it. I prefer the GPL. It is a pragmatic choice for me that happens to ring true. The words used may be slogans and rhetoric to you, but after 25 years in this field, they are real and meaningful to me.
I have dabbled with FreeBSD. I loved the ports system and could live with their license. However, I don't really consider OSX to be the same. It is more like Kerberos under Windows. Something open that has been extended in a proprietary way, so that it is no longer really open.
I *did* run Ubuntu on my iBook. I also used Fink and ran KDE under OSX. That was pretty lame. I also lived with OSX natively for seven months. For *me* Linux was more comfortable and easier to use and I could control the user interface and use OpenOffice easily with it. If my community developed OS goes a direction I disagree with, I can fork it. Using a corporate developed OS you follow their roadmap.
Neither Apple nor Broadcom cared enough for me as a user to unlock their hardware for use under alternative OSes. The IBM laptop is open enough that I can use every hardware feature under Linux. The Apple wasn't that useful.
I didn't buy a Thinkpad X31 to play games. What kind of games do you think would run on such a laptop? You must be "touched" to say that. I also have never use wine.
So nice *fake* Aristotle style troll, but your response is not helpful to me. I am not impressed.
I answered the parent posts question about whether the wireless hardware support and battery life on an iBook was the same under Linux as OSX. The answer was no. You answered nothing.
I had a 1Ghz iBook. It had great battery life under OSX (4.5 hours). It had about half that under Ubuntu. Granted the Ubuntu wasn't tweeked. Of course, the wireless also didn't work under Ubuntu and the one button track pad sucked under Ubuntu. It also ate hard drives (three in seven months). I finally decided to give it to one of my ipod owning kids and bought another Thinkpad (X-31). It runs Ununtu fine, with about the same 3.5 hours of battery life under X crap P as under wonderful Ubuntu. The wireless works under Ubuntu and I love the Thinkpad trackpoint. So much for my Mac experiment. However, I do love Apples design of hardware (not counting one button pointers). The Thinkpad seems so industrial compared to the iBook. I miss the white case, smooth bottom and the iBook had the best keyboard of any laptop I have ever owned. I wish I could combine Thinkpad and iBook in to one uber laptop. I wouldn't mind a Mac mini or G5 as a desktop, but I wouldn't be running OSX.
Michael
I bought a iBook and lived with it for seven months (three hard drives). I've replaced it with a X-31 Thinkpad running Ubuntu. There were some cool things about OSX, but basically I don't get the hype. Plus OSX is another proprietary OS where you as the end user are locked into and at the mercy of a corporation. Not for me. Freedom is important.
I sysadmin Linux and w2k servers for a living. Plus babysit an awful hodgepodge of Windows desktops. I have at my desk w2k and ubuntu with KVM switch and my laptop is an iBook running OSX. Granted OSX handles wireless the best, but I certainly don't feel the most productive using it. In fact it is the most irritating to me. Otherwise it is a toss up between w2k and ubuntu, but if I had to have just one, it would certainly be Linux.
A good point but not great.
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I personally found SysV style of init trivial to learn. I admin quite a few RedHat systems. RedHat's documentation is decent, but to really learn, read
Probably even better advice is to buddy up. It is much easier to learn with a partner.
MC
Seriously, I suggest you start with FreeBSD. They have the best documentation plus Absolute BSD is an incredible book. After you work through the BSD documentation you can learn whatever Linux you prefer.
In the beginning there is so much to learn. I was where you are in 1999. As a Windows head, you will need to learn and understand the directory structure, the history of Unix/Linux and the philosophy of Unix.
It takes a 6 months to a year to get your bearings and five years to get good at it. But your are about to learn more than you ever expected about Networking and guts of computing.
It is an exciting journey. Good Luck.
01. ssh
02. su
03. mc
03. lynx
04. google
05. man
06. ifconfig
07. netstat
08. ping
09. history
10. email
I admin six servers plus three workstations. All the servers were RedHat 7.3 and the workstations were RedHat 9. I am switching the mail/web servers to FreeBSD 4.9. I am switching the workstations to Debian and FreeBSD. The Samba servers are staying on Redhat 7.3 for now. They are inside firewalls and so are relatively safe. I will probably move them to Debian later. Like many folks here, I "grew up" on Redhat starting with 5.2. I paid for a half a dozen up2date subscriptions for the last couple of years, and bought most releases. I'll be darned if I am going to use a version of Linux with a license that says they can come and audit my sites. That seems totally counter to Free software. Nor do I feel any need to be their beta testers with Fedora. I really don't want to deal with any more "commercial" distros after RedHat and Caldera! Sorry Suse and Mandrake, but I've been burned twice. I am debating whether or really when to sell my RedHat stock.
I've been doing this for 20 years. I installed a couple hundred Novell LANs from 1985 till 1995. I certified and became a CNE. As Novell grew, they lost sight of those of us who installed and took care of their customers. I moved on to Microsoft. From 1995 till 1999, I installed a couple hundred more NT networks. I certified, and became a MCSE. I grew to despise MS and their arrogance. They treated they vendors and customers with little respect. I moved on to Linux. I have installed around 20 RH servers. I have my customers buy $60 up2date subscriptions and boxed sets. Red Hat has now become so arrogant I think I will sell my stock and move my customers and allegiance to Debian.
My question is do you think you can grow the company without the support of the thousands of network engineers, sysadmins, technicians and enthusiasts who advise the customers?
I have moved over to Mozilla browsing and Mozilla mail on Linux from IE and Mozilla browsing and Eudora mail on w2k Pro.
On the browser, the only thing I miss from the IE days is the ability to send a link to the desktop. I sure don't miss the pop ups and I love tabs.
On the email, Mozilla is as good or better than Eudora at arranging folders and filtering. It does IMAP very well and the filters work pretty well. One thing I don't like, is when I cut and paste, if I don't put a to: address in first, the paste goes in the address box.
Baysian filters on 1.3 only partly work for me (it marks, but fail to move or delete). My manual filtering (read and then run filters to move) works great. Rearranging my mail folders is "dolt" simple. I started with Mozilla on w2k and it was nice to move the same setup over to RH9.
I used Mozilla mail to "import" my email archive from 1996 on, to my IMAP server.
I prefer Mozilla to Evolution (or Kmail). But I wouldn't mind having Evolutions v-folders. Since I use IMAP, I have Evolution set to pull the mail offline as a backup to the server. But I do all my reading and filtering in Mozilla.
I would love to be able to filter a subject to send (bounce) an email to a list of receipents, sort of a mail-list from the client thing. I have ezmlm but would like to show clients how to setup a small mail list using Mozilla. Anyone know how to do this with Mozilla, or Eudora or Outlook Express?
Again, I think the critics of Mozilla mail haven't really tried it since the Netscape 4.7 days.
I find the combination of IMAP, squirrelmail and Mozilla to be powerful and they are improving rapidly. I am starting to evangilize Mozilla's use to my customer base.
MC - Neodigita, Inc.