Even when a pundit seems to have a point, it immediately looses credibility as soon as the inevitible political cheap shot is thrown in.
This is what made Katz' last article so disturbing. 5,000 dead, and he's railing on "old media" and taking cheap shots at Bush.
This is a problem inherant in OS advocacy as well: Good ideas get lost because some pedantic or childish taunt thrown into the whole to make it seem less serious.
I posted this in the last thread on this subject of proposed encroachements on civil liberties, but it becomes even more timely after the report of the first murder of an Arab-American in the wake of the terrorist act:
The biggest threat we face right now is the civil rights of Americans of Arab descent in the United States.
One of the goals of the terrorist activities is to make the Western Democracies strike out against Arabs and make it a clear us vs. them scenario by which they can gain more support in the Middle East.
By using deep cover agents, they have made a real step towards that goal. Now every Arab in the United States can be considered a potential suspect. Anti-Arab sentiment and violence is already on a serious rise as it is.
And either through violence, or harassment, or over-scrutinization by the count-ordered emergency measures, it is going to be a very hard time for this portion of the US population. The footage from Chicago, for example, was just chilling.
We all need to remember that we are Americans, and as Americans, we are all the targets of this terrorism. The suicide bombers did not check to see if there were any Muslims in the WTC before they attacked it. We are all in this together, and the worst--and most likely--thing we can do to help them win is turn on ourselves.
Two of the largest ISPs in the country executing court-backed survalence orders while not installing Carnivore is not the largest threat to civil liberties right now.
The biggest threat we face right now is the civil rights of Americans of Arab descent in the United States.
One of the goals of the terrorist activities is to make the Western Democracies strike out against Arabs and make it a clear us vs. them scenario by which they can gain more support in the Middle East.
By using deep cover agents, they have made a real step towards that goal. Now every Arab in the United States can be considered a potential suspect. Anti-Arab sentiment and violence is already on a serious rise as it is.
And either through violence, or harassment, or over-scrutinization by the count-ordered emergency measures above, it is going to be a very hard time for this portion of the US population. The footage from Chicago, for example, was just chilling.
We all need to remember that we are Americans, and as Americans, we are all the targets of this terrorism. The suicide bombers did not check to see if there were any Muslims in the WTC before they attacked it. We are all in this together, and the worst--and most likel--thing we can do to help them win is turn on ourselves.
b) actually engage the Arab world in something other than warfare.
Although US foreign policy has certainly played a key role is being targetted by terror groups, consider two things:
1) Unless we are at active warfare with the state of Isreal, there will be right-wing Islamic groups ready to die to kill us.
2) We are currently being targetted by the most extensive terrorist campaign against our country in history because of arguably one of our most positive foreign policy action in the Middle East in the recent past. Because the United States-led coalition kept the citizens of two strongly Islamic countries from slaughter by a military dictatorship that has practiced religious persecution and execution of Islamic minorities, a citizen of one of the protected countries is using the fortune that we saved to kill our people.
How about the cold, dead fingers of the victims of terror, who aren't involved at all in your rhetorical exercise, and probably never heard of these programs, but the terrorist community that killed them might have?
I'm not saying I agree with this, but this rhetoric is distasteful, especially throwing around death analogies when you know perfectly well you wouldn't stand to be inconvenienced, let alone injured, let alone killed, for the software in question.
Okay. I'm stumped. Please explain how something that had not been moderated at all can be over-rated?
For all of your railing about the old media, they are delivering difficult news in a professional fashion.
You, however, are using the greatest terrorist action in history to grind your well-worn axe against old media and take cheap shots at the president.
The last thing in the world we need now is pointless editorializing by the media--and believe me, I including you in that group in the loosest possible fashion--and definately not to advance personal agendas. This has to be a time for unity, not pathetic personal squabbles.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Normally, you are just a misinformed, unedited blowhard. Now you are despicable.
They can have my copies of (OpenSSL|OpenSSH|gpg|etc.) when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
How about the cold, dead fingers of the victims of terror, who aren't involved at all in your rhetorical exercise, and probably never heard of these programs, but the terrorist community that killed them might have?
I'm not saying I agree with this, but this rhetoric is distasteful, especially throwing around death analogies when you know perfectly well you wouldn't stand to be inconvenienced, let alone injured, let alone killed, for the software in question.
I'm so glad there's something my pasty ass can do besides give money to the Red Cross at Amazon. (Can't give blood. Too much time in England as a carnivore.)
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One of most horrible things I heard about was all the employees in wheelchairs who were trapped outside the stairscases unable to decend.
There needs to be some emergency provision for this.
They have also started reporting that the plane that went down in PA was retaken by the passengers. A cell phone call from a man to his wife said that they knew the terrorists were going to do something with the plane and that they knew they would probably die and were going to attack the terrorists anyway.
NBC just broadcast newly discovered footage from a fire prevention video that they were filming near the WTC right when the first plane hit. It is entirely new footage of the first plane hitting.
I can't help but think the fireman in the video was probably one of the first on the scene and one of the casualties.
NBC just reported this as well. They apparently are in the basement of the towers.
Dear god.
I'm not sure if this is good or not. I hope it can help some people get saved, but I can't imagine the heart-rendering experience of listening to a man die in rubble over the phone.
I commute in from New Jersey. I apparently had the "luck" to be one of the last people to get on a PATH train into NYC. The first plane had just hit when I got on the train, and the WTC PATH line was closed. Originally, I thought it was just some little piper or something. People were joking about it.
When I got off the train, the second plane hit. I was looking straight down 6th and saw it all. By the time I got to work in Chelsea, the first tower collapsed, and then the second. As many people had said, it was just like a movie.
It was insanely surreal. I went from shock, to calling everyone in the world I knew and people who might need to check up on people. I managed to get out of dodge when the commercial boat lines opened up to emergency traffic.
A friend of mine was sleeping over at his girlfriend's house last night. Because of that, he was going to take the Newark to WTC train. At the last minute, he switched over to a 33rd St. train. He would have been going to WTC right when the first plane hit.
I'm not the best friend of police, but dozens of cops lost their lives today trying to save people's lives, not to mention the hundreds of firemen. I hope and pray for all of them.
Recent news reports are saying that the State Department intercepted communications from bid Laden's group about the attack. If it is true, I hope to god every last one of them is executed.
Actually, what I ment by them losing out, is losing out on my sale.
This has been my point since I started: Your sale doesn't matter. They will get sales, and much more sales, through carpet-bombing. That is what works. That is why it will never be a moderate amount of targeted advertising. It is in their best interest to get the most advertising to the most people, and if they can fake tailor it to you, that's fine, but your sale doesn't matter. The percentage sales they would get from doing advertising "by the rules" would not be the same as doing it en masse.
But when the messages start piling up, for things I'm not interested in, then they just all get deleted, and the e-tailor looses out.
No, the e-tailor doesn't.
The more carpet-bombing they do, the more return they get, with a near-zero investment. And the more info they have, the more they can do it and make it look like they're not doing it.
This is proven Internet marketing practice. Do you know why every half-wit and his brother spams? Because people make it profitable for them to do so. "Legitimate" Internet companies have to play a closer line, but it all works out to the more they send out, the more they get back in. Period.
You want to chill your very soul? Read a marketing trade mag. I think that would change your mind pretty quick.
Personally, if companies can direct moderate amounts...
Stop right there, because that's your answer. It will never be moderate. As soon as they can, it is in the marketers best interest to get as much advertising to you as they can in the shortest amount of time, and the more they know, the more they will.
It is sad, but in the future, we'll probably look back fondly on things like PeoplePC which gave only one advertiser the keys to the car...
While you do have a point, I think there is a general gain of freedom in that you at least can know everything about, and even contribute directly to, the software that you use, even if you are compelled to use it.
It has more to do with legal standards on what is acceptable. For instance many indian tribes are allowed to use payote. But it also has to do with a community
standard on what should be allowed to be done.
My understanding is also that the church would have to have a precident to it. So a church that was created right after the DMCA was written specifically to
override the DMCA wouldn't work at all. However, the catholics have a long established tradition of the sacrament. If memory serves many people in the 60s tried
to argue that they couldn't be drafted because of a freedom of religion (they started a religion to avoid the draft). The courts held that one couldn't merely start a
relegion to avoid a law.
By the way, the mormon church gave up pologomy of their own accord before even joining the union. It's not a matter of the law telling them not to. - AC post above
This was informative, and I didn't have mod points, and just wanted to make sure it got read.
In most cases (in America), you cannot break the law in the name of religion. Aztecs cannot sacrifice people, Mormons can't practice polygamy, White Power churches cannot lynch people and violate civil rights, Branch Davidians couldn't violate gun laws and practice statutory rape (depending on who you believe).
However, there are a lot of exceptions, mostly cultural. Amish are except from certain mandatory schooling laws. Native tribes are excempt from prohibitions against hunting endangered animals. Underage Cattholics can drink alcohol as part of services.
The rulings just said that the identities (if knowable) of the posters need not be revealed. It does not say that the posts themselves shouldn't or couldn't be removed.
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Even when a pundit seems to have a point, it immediately looses credibility as soon as the inevitible political cheap shot is thrown in.
This is what made Katz' last article so disturbing. 5,000 dead, and he's railing on "old media" and taking cheap shots at Bush.
This is a problem inherant in OS advocacy as well: Good ideas get lost because some pedantic or childish taunt thrown into the whole to make it seem less serious.
The biggest threat we face right now is the civil rights of Americans of Arab descent in the United States.
One of the goals of the terrorist activities is to make the Western Democracies strike out against Arabs and make it a clear us vs. them scenario by which they can gain more support in the Middle East.
By using deep cover agents, they have made a real step towards that goal. Now every Arab in the United States can be considered a potential suspect. Anti-Arab sentiment and violence is already on a serious rise as it is.
And either through violence, or harassment, or over-scrutinization by the count-ordered emergency measures, it is going to be a very hard time for this portion of the US population. The footage from Chicago, for example, was just chilling.
We all need to remember that we are Americans, and as Americans, we are all the targets of this terrorism. The suicide bombers did not check to see if there were any Muslims in the WTC before they attacked it. We are all in this together, and the worst--and most likely--thing we can do to help them win is turn on ourselves.
The biggest threat we face right now is the civil rights of Americans of Arab descent in the United States.
One of the goals of the terrorist activities is to make the Western Democracies strike out against Arabs and make it a clear us vs. them scenario by which they can gain more support in the Middle East.
By using deep cover agents, they have made a real step towards that goal. Now every Arab in the United States can be considered a potential suspect. Anti-Arab sentiment and violence is already on a serious rise as it is.
And either through violence, or harassment, or over-scrutinization by the count-ordered emergency measures above, it is going to be a very hard time for this portion of the US population. The footage from Chicago, for example, was just chilling.
We all need to remember that we are Americans, and as Americans, we are all the targets of this terrorism. The suicide bombers did not check to see if there were any Muslims in the WTC before they attacked it. We are all in this together, and the worst--and most likel--thing we can do to help them win is turn on ourselves.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-09 -14
Although US foreign policy has certainly played a key role is being targetted by terror groups, consider two things:
1) Unless we are at active warfare with the state of Isreal, there will be right-wing Islamic groups ready to die to kill us.
2) We are currently being targetted by the most extensive terrorist campaign against our country in history because of arguably one of our most positive foreign policy action in the Middle East in the recent past. Because the United States-led coalition kept the citizens of two strongly Islamic countries from slaughter by a military dictatorship that has practiced religious persecution and execution of Islamic minorities, a citizen of one of the protected countries is using the fortune that we saved to kill our people.
I defy you to apply logic to any of it.
I'm not saying I agree with this, but this rhetoric is distasteful, especially throwing around death analogies when you know perfectly well you wouldn't stand to be inconvenienced, let alone injured, let alone killed, for the software in question.
Okay. I'm stumped. Please explain how something that had not been moderated at all can be over-rated?
You, however, are using the greatest terrorist action in history to grind your well-worn axe against old media and take cheap shots at the president.
The last thing in the world we need now is pointless editorializing by the media--and believe me, I including you in that group in the loosest possible fashion--and definately not to advance personal agendas. This has to be a time for unity, not pathetic personal squabbles.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Normally, you are just a misinformed, unedited blowhard. Now you are despicable.
How about the cold, dead fingers of the victims of terror, who aren't involved at all in your rhetorical exercise, and probably never heard of these programs, but the terrorist community that killed them might have?
I'm not saying I agree with this, but this rhetoric is distasteful, especially throwing around death analogies when you know perfectly well you wouldn't stand to be inconvenienced, let alone injured, let alone killed, for the software in question.
I'm so glad there's something my pasty ass can do besides give money to the Red Cross at Amazon. (Can't give blood. Too much time in England as a carnivore.)
There needs to be some emergency provision for this.
Aparently, they were successful.
May whoever's in charge give them peace.
I can't help but think the fireman in the video was probably one of the first on the scene and one of the casualties.
Dear god.
I'm not sure if this is good or not. I hope it can help some people get saved, but I can't imagine the heart-rendering experience of listening to a man die in rubble over the phone.
When I got off the train, the second plane hit. I was looking straight down 6th and saw it all. By the time I got to work in Chelsea, the first tower collapsed, and then the second. As many people had said, it was just like a movie.
It was insanely surreal. I went from shock, to calling everyone in the world I knew and people who might need to check up on people. I managed to get out of dodge when the commercial boat lines opened up to emergency traffic.
A friend of mine was sleeping over at his girlfriend's house last night. Because of that, he was going to take the Newark to WTC train. At the last minute, he switched over to a 33rd St. train. He would have been going to WTC right when the first plane hit.
I'm not the best friend of police, but dozens of cops lost their lives today trying to save people's lives, not to mention the hundreds of firemen. I hope and pray for all of them.
Recent news reports are saying that the State Department intercepted communications from bid Laden's group about the attack. If it is true, I hope to god every last one of them is executed.
I'm all for live and let live, but I want whoever is responsible whiped from the earth.
This has been my point since I started: Your sale doesn't matter. They will get sales, and much more sales, through carpet-bombing. That is what works. That is why it will never be a moderate amount of targeted advertising. It is in their best interest to get the most advertising to the most people, and if they can fake tailor it to you, that's fine, but your sale doesn't matter. The percentage sales they would get from doing advertising "by the rules" would not be the same as doing it en masse.
So they won't.
No, the e-tailor doesn't.
The more carpet-bombing they do, the more return they get, with a near-zero investment. And the more info they have, the more they can do it and make it look like they're not doing it.
This is proven Internet marketing practice. Do you know why every half-wit and his brother spams? Because people make it profitable for them to do so. "Legitimate" Internet companies have to play a closer line, but it all works out to the more they send out, the more they get back in. Period.
You want to chill your very soul? Read a marketing trade mag. I think that would change your mind pretty quick.
Stop right there, because that's your answer. It will never be moderate. As soon as they can, it is in the marketers best interest to get as much advertising to you as they can in the shortest amount of time, and the more they know, the more they will.
It is sad, but in the future, we'll probably look back fondly on things like PeoplePC which gave only one advertiser the keys to the car...
You've got to be kidding.
Anyone reading Slashdot that hasn't learned to manage their email by now is probably a lost cause.
My understanding is also that the church would have to have a precident to it. So a church that was created right after the DMCA was written specifically to override the DMCA wouldn't work at all. However, the catholics have a long established tradition of the sacrament. If memory serves many people in the 60s tried to argue that they couldn't be drafted because of a freedom of religion (they started a religion to avoid the draft). The courts held that one couldn't merely start a relegion to avoid a law.
By the way, the mormon church gave up pologomy of their own accord before even joining the union. It's not a matter of the law telling them not to. - AC post above
This was informative, and I didn't have mod points, and just wanted to make sure it got read.
In most cases (in America), you cannot break the law in the name of religion. Aztecs cannot sacrifice people, Mormons can't practice polygamy, White Power churches cannot lynch people and violate civil rights, Branch Davidians couldn't violate gun laws and practice statutory rape (depending on who you believe).
However, there are a lot of exceptions, mostly cultural. Amish are except from certain mandatory schooling laws. Native tribes are excempt from prohibitions against hunting endangered animals. Underage Cattholics can drink alcohol as part of services.
Of course, there'll be no money to win from MP3.com's corpse.