The UDDA doesn't jettison the cardiopulmonary standard, however. Instead, it holds that death occurs whenever either standard (whichever applies first) is met
From your own references. Again - the cardiopulmonary standard is no palpable pulse, no measurable blood pressure. Which ever comes FIRST. Cardiopulmonary death USUALLY precedes neurologic death, except in trauma and cerebro-vascular accidents. So my point still stands. Also note that your own references use the term "irreversible" death. Which implies there is such a thing as "reversible" death.
There are other definitions of death - and neurological death is very useful since it permits us to keep cadavers on life support for donation. You can have a heart-beat without a brain, and people need to understand that their loved one is never coming back, even if we can keep the "body" alive for 5 years.
However - extreme examples (the rare case of hypothermia) aside you will NOT have brain activity without a heart-beat, if this has been absent more than 10 mins or so). Also it is convenient to consider lack of a pulse or heart activity as death - this is where the obligation for medical care stops - for example in terminal patients, and other patients with "DNR" (do not resuscitate) orders. A physician then has to take a decision and/or perform a medical act to revive this person. The success rate is only about 70% UNDER THE BEST CONDITIONS. Unlike on tv, where everyone is magically reanimated, it's not that easy to "bring someone back".
Therefore it's not as simple as wikipedia would have you believe. We physicians are going to hold on to the absence of cardiovascular activity as one of the indicators of death for a long time. Otherwise it won't be long before we start getting sued by family members for NOT being able to reanimate people.
Oh, and another thing I forgot - you are foolish enough to make up your own definition of death in order to justify your own "information", while completely ignoring testimony of two people who have ACTUALLY been clinically dead?
Why the FUCK should we believe you? How many times have YOU died to get this "information"? You're just another attention whore with a "pet theory".
It sounds like you weren't dead in any medical or scientific sense, just that your heart had stopped.
If the heart stops, it means you're dead. In both a medical and scientific sense. I should know. I'm a doctor.
Now there's a question of REVERSIBLE death, and IRREVERSIBLE death. You're only LEGALLY dead when you are irreversibly dead. However if your patient has no pulse and no blood pressure, he's dead. So move your ass if you don't want him to STAY dead.
My point is this: when I was "dead," I never "left my body," I never saw myself and the doctors in the hospital from "above," I never experienced anything. It was like a light-switch was simply flipped.
Having done a ventricular fibrillation for a couple minutes and being "clinically dead", then reanimated - I completely agree with you. All that tunnel stuff is just sensationalist bullshit, like aliens, and all the other crap the media likes to feed to gullible women.
I "died" in mid sentence. I was reanimated and completely disoriented for a minute - feeling very peaceful and detached as everyone was working my code call, then memory came flooding back - right, I had gone to the ER with chest pain, oh shit - what just happened... etc.
The "light switch" analogy is one I used myself. When it's off, you don't notice ANYTHING. Welcome to oblivion.
I bet the Chinese are happy. Because after all, the US can barely keep its space shuttle flying, while the Chinese are planning a manned moon mission. They need these suits a lot more.
Yes, call me a troll. After all, US foreign policy has done so much for world peace in the past few years. Those billions were well spent, boys./sarcasm
you would then have all these people getting upset over people smoking it instead of using it for fuel.
But like, chill out, man. I mean, who needs to drive to work after smoking one of these, man? I use less fuel by staying at home. Hemp is a win.... god I am hungry
YOU should be the one to decide if your OS phones home, if it stores every keystroke you ever made, if it keeps copies of all the files you ever had, etc.
Just like a bad doctor who decides for his patient, Microsoft has decided to take choice away from the user. The only choice you are limited to now if you don't want the OS to do this is to choose another OS.
Wow, does he really have nothing better to do with his time? Hell, for half what he is making I'll sit around and post random disparaging remarks on blogs all day.
Thank you for that comment "antifoidulus", and please remember Mr. President you have a meeting this afternoon with the Secretary of Defense, followed by the National Security Team.
How many planets are out there? Infinite. There can be only a finite amount of life supporting planets.
Just because I feel like nit-picking. If you have an infinite number of planets, you also have an infinite number of planets that support life. Only this is a smaller "infinite" number.
if there's a penny to be had, you can guarantee they will stoop as low as they have to to pick it up. After all, recording music is SO damned expensive. I mean, the recording studio ALONE costs nearly $50,000 a DAY (yeah right)
In the end, I apologize to Coldplay, Radiohead, The Beta Band, The Turin Brakes, The Beatles, The Doves and all the other bands we blatantly abused to slightly increase the sales at a small fledgling establishment.
Bands which, when they were just starting, also blatantly abused THEIR predecessors...
Sarcasm aside: pot, meet kettle.
Only now you can't do it any more. YOU are a criminal (or soon will be!). THEY weren't.
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The UDDA doesn't jettison the cardiopulmonary standard, however. Instead, it holds that death occurs whenever either standard (whichever applies first) is met
From your own references. Again - the cardiopulmonary standard is no palpable pulse, no measurable blood pressure. Which ever comes FIRST. Cardiopulmonary death USUALLY precedes neurologic death, except in trauma and cerebro-vascular accidents. So my point still stands. Also note that your own references use the term "irreversible" death. Which implies there is such a thing as "reversible" death.
An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions
what does this mean, if not a lack of heartbeat? Don't read only what you want to read.
There are other definitions of death - and neurological death is very useful since it permits us to keep cadavers on life support for donation. You can have a heart-beat without a brain, and people need to understand that their loved one is never coming back, even if we can keep the "body" alive for 5 years.
However - extreme examples (the rare case of hypothermia) aside you will NOT have brain activity without a heart-beat, if this has been absent more than 10 mins or so). Also it is convenient to consider lack of a pulse or heart activity as death - this is where the obligation for medical care stops - for example in terminal patients, and other patients with "DNR" (do not resuscitate) orders. A physician then has to take a decision and/or perform a medical act to revive this person. The success rate is only about 70% UNDER THE BEST CONDITIONS. Unlike on tv, where everyone is magically reanimated, it's not that easy to "bring someone back".
Therefore it's not as simple as wikipedia would have you believe. We physicians are going to hold on to the absence of cardiovascular activity as one of the indicators of death for a long time. Otherwise it won't be long before we start getting sued by family members for NOT being able to reanimate people.
Do they have to pay this in cash, or can they give the defendant part of a CD? After all, each song is worth $150,000 or so...
Oh, and another thing I forgot - you are foolish enough to make up your own definition of death in order to justify your own "information", while completely ignoring testimony of two people who have ACTUALLY been clinically dead?
Why the FUCK should we believe you? How many times have YOU died to get this "information"? You're just another attention whore with a "pet theory".
It sounds like you weren't dead in any medical or scientific sense, just that your heart had stopped.
If the heart stops, it means you're dead. In both a medical and scientific sense. I should know. I'm a doctor.
Now there's a question of REVERSIBLE death, and IRREVERSIBLE death. You're only LEGALLY dead when you are irreversibly dead. However if your patient has no pulse and no blood pressure, he's dead. So move your ass if you don't want him to STAY dead.
My point is this: when I was "dead," I never "left my body," I never saw myself and the doctors in the hospital from "above," I never experienced anything. It was like a light-switch was simply flipped.
Having done a ventricular fibrillation for a couple minutes and being "clinically dead", then reanimated - I completely agree with you. All that tunnel stuff is just sensationalist bullshit, like aliens, and all the other crap the media likes to feed to gullible women.
I "died" in mid sentence. I was reanimated and completely disoriented for a minute - feeling very peaceful and detached as everyone was working my code call, then memory came flooding back - right, I had gone to the ER with chest pain, oh shit - what just happened... etc.
The "light switch" analogy is one I used myself. When it's off, you don't notice ANYTHING. Welcome to oblivion.
I bet the Chinese are happy. Because after all, the US can barely keep its space shuttle flying, while the Chinese are planning a manned moon mission. They need these suits a lot more.
/sarcasm
Yes, call me a troll. After all, US foreign policy has done so much for world peace in the past few years. Those billions were well spent, boys.
The corruption goes way higher than that. But THAT is a state secret.
you would then have all these people getting upset over people smoking it instead of using it for fuel.
But like, chill out, man. I mean, who needs to drive to work after smoking one of these, man? I use less fuel by staying at home. Hemp is a win.... god I am hungry
I think the issue here is choice.
YOU should be the one to decide if your OS phones home, if it stores every keystroke you ever made, if it keeps copies of all the files you ever had, etc.
Just like a bad doctor who decides for his patient, Microsoft has decided to take choice away from the user. The only choice you are limited to now if you don't want the OS to do this is to choose another OS.
So when is all the MS promotional hype going to be exposed for what it really is, a bunch of contradictory lies.
This was done YEARS ago, yet people keep buying their products.
"stories" that were on CNN 3 days ago
Wow, does he really have nothing better to do with his time? Hell, for half what he is making I'll sit around and post random disparaging remarks on blogs all day.
Thank you for that comment "antifoidulus", and please remember Mr. President you have a meeting this afternoon with the Secretary of Defense, followed by the National Security Team.
I went outside once. It isn't worth it. Stay where you are.
You could have infinite planets, with NOT ONE supporting life
Yes but there is AT LEAST ONE planet that we know about. So it's possible. Keep adding planets and you're bound to hit more.
Still it would be nice to know what that wait limit is, for those of us who don't post all the time
It's around 20 mins for anonymous posts. 2 minutes if you are logged in.
I am sure that there are more but I can't think of any.
In your intestines. This is also not a very "friendly" environment, considering it's full of digestive enzymes. Yet life thrives.
How many planets are out there? Infinite.
There can be only a finite amount of life supporting planets.
Just because I feel like nit-picking. If you have an infinite number of planets, you also have an infinite number of planets that support life. Only this is a smaller "infinite" number.
when can we expect to see Spore?
You sir are the REASON that computer games suck.
Go on, keep buying that EA CRAP. Oh and be sure to buy Spore II and Spore III.
We're stilling waiting for the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery."
IMO that wouldn't mean shit. I personally am waiting for the one that says: "Psychic asked to stop buying lottery tickets".
cute Manhattanites.
WHERE? WHERE?
They don't exist.
if there's a penny to be had, you can guarantee they will stoop as low as they have to to pick it up. After all, recording music is SO damned expensive. I mean, the recording studio ALONE costs nearly $50,000 a DAY (yeah right)
just bring your laptop and download one on their "free" WiFi. Ooops?
In the end, I apologize to Coldplay, Radiohead, The Beta Band, The Turin Brakes, The Beatles, The Doves and all the other bands we blatantly abused to slightly increase the sales at a small fledgling establishment.
Bands which, when they were just starting, also blatantly abused THEIR predecessors...
Sarcasm aside: pot, meet kettle.
Only now you can't do it any more. YOU are a criminal (or soon will be!). THEY weren't.