My bad on sending a current up the line. The interupt make a hell of a lot more sense. Thanks for the info.
I think you mispoke (since you obviusly no what you are talking about.) The Switch generates the dial tone, ring (sends the ringing voltage i think), busy signal--not the phone, that is unless it is ISDN then the phone generates everything. The switch also recieves the dialed digit tones. Something call....what for it...a tone decoder (tm) decodes the the tones.
Actually a rotary phone does not use timing what so ever. The turning of the dial creates a current that is sent up the line. 4 pulses sent for the number 4 and so on. Grabbing the dial and forcing it back to the starting place still sends the correct amount of digits. If you notice when you force a dial on a rotary phone you can only force it so much. The resistance that exist for the whatever mechanics make the current do not allow you to turn it back as fast as you can.
I am sorry but your story is more myth than fact.
Evidence is another reply posted where you can dial a number by clicking the hook over and over again. When you pick up the phone a current is sent up the line to the central office, because you completed a circuit by picking up the phone. The central office provides power down the line as a sort of status check for when you go off hook, hence if you try to lick a phone line you will get a shock. The point being that since you can dial a number by hanging up repeatedly you could not possibly do so in perfect time, therefore timing has nothing to do with it.
The switches that first used pulse dialing were not smart enough the handle timing. Current digital switch that use touch tone don't even use time, they use, that's right, TONES. Two actually per digit.
Imagine the keypad on your phone as a tic tac toe board. Across the top you have three tones (can't remember the freq.) and down the side you have four. The combination of two tones make a digit where they intersect.
Calls used to be switch through the network strictly by the tones. But here comes WOZ (and others) and he figures out how to take advantage of that fact and creates the blue box. Phone companies smartened up and create the SS7 network. Once your tones/digits hit you host office they are removed from the line and you call is setup by a seperate network of routers, switchs, and databased to get you to your destination. If all is clear and your call can complete (lines not busy, trunk facilities available) the switch between caller and callee are nailed up and the call is connected. This is out of band signaling. Cool stuff.
The databases are also what provide 1-800/900 service (dial an 800 number and the DB converts it to an actual POTS number XXX-XXX-XXXX), caller id, local number portability (same as 800 conversion), some verisons of remote call fowarding, and host of other cool things.
Neo makes the choice that will cause the Matrix to fall and kill the entire human population, including Zion.
If Neo chose the door to HIS right (the left of the screen from the Architects perspective) then Zion would fall, the Matrix would RESET and NEO could choose 23 people (17 female and 6 male) to join him in making the new ZION and start the whole damn thing over again (the seventh Matrix/Zion).
If Neo chose the door to HIS left (the right side of the screen from the Architects perspective), then he could save Trinity but it would cause a feed back in the Matrix destroying it and killing every human plugged in. Also the sentinals would still destroy Zion.
Neo made the choice to save Trinity therefore condeming the entire human race (Matrix plugies and Zionites), but he knows there is something he can do. For one he can affect the sentinals in the real world (is it really the real world? hmmm). And two why would he make that choice and then admit that there was nothing he could do (in response to Morpheus asking what had happened, that Neo was a piece of the CONTROL just like everything else, Oracle, Crazy French Guy, etc.)
I guess we will have to wait and see how they FIX the Matrix so that the entire human race doesn't die.
Or maybe the Woz Brothers agree with many that the human race's worst enemy is itself and they will let it happen. Time will tell
Actually, a tone-customer is paying for a pusle-customer to be able to use the phone.
The current switching equipment handels tone cheaper then pulse. In the new equipment it costs more to interpet pulse functionality than tone. Pulse was used in analog switches and is not needed at all in digital switches. A pulse needs to be recorded and converted to tones for the switch to understand the number dialing.
I just wasted 98% of my brain cells trying to figure out what your parentathese and acromyns mean. Then the last 2% trying to sift through the RFC to confirm your statement.
Known mostly as the domain for non-commercial organisations,.org is the Internet's fifth largest top-level domain, with more than 2.4 million registered domain names worldwide.
So Slashdot is Non-Commercial? I don't know. Is non-commercial the same as non-profit, is/. non-profit?
How strict are they about that. You would think that they would be but I have not heard. Slashdot used to be free/non-ads (except for the one at the top) but now there is an add on every comment page unless you pay. Is that non-commercial?
The Scott-Amundsen base is only currently accessible by air, which places limits on cargo and relies on good weather. The road could be open to heavy traffic for up to 100 days a year during the austral summer.
So the road is also limited. And what kind of cargo can a Snow Cat carry that a plain can not? Not much I would think.
The polar base plans three return journeys each summer, says Spindler. The annual capacity of the route would be about a million litres of fuel - roughly the capacity of three Hercules transporter planes that currently supply the base.
So any number of road trips will get 1 Mill Liters of fuel that would take just 3 flights. Sounds more expensive to send by land, especially since you can only travel 1/3 of the time a year. What about the rest of the year.
Yeh great idea, use and EMP to piss off your nuclear enemies by destroying all there electronic. They get pissed but do not have an EMP weapon to destroy our equipment. What do they do...they blow up a nulcear weapon in the upper atmosphere creating there own EMP, destroying some of our electronics and polluting the atmosphere to boot.
That's a great idea.
At least with conventional weapons the equal response doesn't give the whole population cancer. And since we are relativley safe from conventional attack that's okay.
I see an issue here that is similar to all of the problem people have with Windows.
IMO, there are 3 distinct pieces to a computer. The Hardware, OS and Software. We all hate M$ because they Have crappy software that only runs on Windows and they force good companies to develop software for there OS, which alot of people don't like. That would be fine if there was an alternative OS to use with the same software.
Similarly If you use Linux/Unix software you can only use it on Linux/Unix.
What I see as the next revolution is some sort of Stanard Interface between OS and Software. This would allow for new companies to startup that create OS's by the handful allowing for more competetion, profit and cheaper prices which all fuel innovation.
This is similar to Java, but Jave fixed this with a compiler solutions.
Maybe some sort of OS/Software interface Object can be created to make the connection. That way you choose the best OS and the best software you want.
The capacity of a single layer single sided DVD is approx. 4.5GB. A dual layer disk (you know if it is because when watching movie there is a slight pause as the laser changes layers) is approx. 9GB. A Dual layer Dual Sided disk is approx. 18GB. BLue Laser is the future and can store alot more.
5.1 Surround Sound takes up a lot of space on the DVD. If you use regular 2.0 surround and maybe a little lower bit rate on the video you should have no problem fit on a 5BG Card.
A lot of movies are on Single Layered Single Sided Disks. Check the cheap DVDs that have Standard and Widescreen versions, one on each side. They are most likely Single Layered, Dual Sided. Dual, Dual are very rare (to my knowledge). So if a movie can fit on a 4.5GB DVD it probably can fit on a 5GB Card. But again Bit rate/transfer rate can cause a problem.
HDTV is no forcing customer to by new TVs, its forcing customer to by HDTV tuners. I would assume that the tuners would still have an analog output for those millions of people who can not afford HDTV Tvs.
So with HDTV (atleast for a few years) Tivo and other analog recording PVRs will work just fine. The only problem is that the signal will be back to analog. This may be a moot point because market share of HDTV TVs is not going to surge in the near future or for the first few years of required HDTV signaling.
Ok look at it this way. The article stated that "That is the long-standing purpose of antitrust laws. In this case, the FCC has the power to force the cable and phone companies to open their lines--for a reasonable price, of course--to the competing Internet providers trying to enter the high-speed market." Ok reasonably priced means, in the case of broadband from telco, less than it cost to buy and install the equipment. So the telephone company spends X amount of money to buy and install DSL equipment and must lease that equipment to a competitor for less than X. Also the telco must maintain the equipment. That is a huge loss for the company. Remember this is a business. The companies will not invest in a product that will cause them to loose money. If the margin is to small and profit is to low the share holders will freak. The equipment is available for telco to supply DSL to everyone not just those that are with in 3,000 feet of the central office. The problem is if they install the equipment now they will take a loss by being forced to lease the equipment to a competitor for less. Maybe deregulation will fix that.
This is also the reason why prices are high. It costs alot of money to maintain the small amount of equipment that is available for the telco to use now. So if they could expand the network to allow more to customer to get DSL the margin will increase (or decrease not sure the correct saying) and they can provide the service cheaper. Basic economics here, the more product you can produce the cheaper you can sell it for because your overall profit will still be higher.
Ok another statment "But it's a major problem for broadband, which transmits huge bundles of information and can be greatly slowed down by copper wires." Wrong again. Yes the amount of information is more but not that much. The encoding technique that is used is very similar to that of ISDN (and is actually better) and ISDN has and still does work quite well. A user has a dedicated line back the office in there town. Once in the Central Office the DSL is sent out on an ATM network which is mostly transmitted along fiber.
What they are saying (although it is misleading) is that and pre-installed copy of the OS can not be used on another computer. They are not saying that the computer can not be used with out the original OS, the original OS can not be used with out the computer. They are making a statment for no reason (other than to mislead). The school is not in the position to have a copy of pre-installed software with out the computer. Why the hell would I donate my OEM copy of Win 98. I am not that mean. The schools ARE in the position to receive a computer with no OS.
So why did they make this statement. To confuse and being just a pain in the a$$ as they always have been. Thanks you very much
This bill will help in the delivery of Broadband to everyone. It will allow the big Bells to invest more in their network to expanding it therefore allowing for more service providers and more broadband connections.
The Big Bells are constantly bending over for the smaller companies, being forced to provide cheaper access rates in turn allowing the leaser to sell service cheaper directly completing with Big Guy. New York has lowered the maximum that Verizon can charge a local provider for access to their network. This in turn causes that company to compete directly with Verizon using Verizon's own network. Next it causes Verizon to not want to invest in the infrastructure of that part of the network. Why should they build up the network only to have it stolen from them for pennies. This in turn causes degredation of serice in the area in turn causing more maintenance in turn cause a higher phone. Are you telling me like that.
WOW, That was interesting. You need to chill bro. Everyone grieves and moves on in there own way. For you to judge the way people are acting after this tradegy (and to evidently get pissed about it) is as bad as the terrorists who thought America is evil because of the way we live and go about our lives. Sit down, relax, and worry about yourself and your family now, not total strangers.
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Even if it was just 1%, that's 10 Million viewers. That's a rating worth having.
Amazing...Just as fast as Goodle hit 8 Billion, Slashdot duped the story. Subscribers will see it two to three stories about this one.
My bad on sending a current up the line. The interupt make a hell of a lot more sense. Thanks for the info.
I think you mispoke (since you obviusly no what you are talking about.) The Switch generates the dial tone, ring (sends the ringing voltage i think), busy signal--not the phone, that is unless it is ISDN then the phone generates everything. The switch also recieves the dialed digit tones. Something call....what for it...a tone decoder (tm) decodes the the tones.
Actually a rotary phone does not use timing what so ever. The turning of the dial creates a current that is sent up the line. 4 pulses sent for the number 4 and so on. Grabbing the dial and forcing it back to the starting place still sends the correct amount of digits. If you notice when you force a dial on a rotary phone you can only force it so much. The resistance that exist for the whatever mechanics make the current do not allow you to turn it back as fast as you can.
I am sorry but your story is more myth than fact.
Evidence is another reply posted where you can dial a number by clicking the hook over and over again. When you pick up the phone a current is sent up the line to the central office, because you completed a circuit by picking up the phone. The central office provides power down the line as a sort of status check for when you go off hook, hence if you try to lick a phone line you will get a shock. The point being that since you can dial a number by hanging up repeatedly you could not possibly do so in perfect time, therefore timing has nothing to do with it.
The switches that first used pulse dialing were not smart enough the handle timing. Current digital switch that use touch tone don't even use time, they use, that's right, TONES. Two actually per digit.
Imagine the keypad on your phone as a tic tac toe board. Across the top you have three tones (can't remember the freq.) and down the side you have four. The combination of two tones make a digit where they intersect.
Calls used to be switch through the network strictly by the tones. But here comes WOZ (and others) and he figures out how to take advantage of that fact and creates the blue box. Phone companies smartened up and create the SS7 network. Once your tones/digits hit you host office they are removed from the line and you call is setup by a seperate network of routers, switchs, and databased to get you to your destination. If all is clear and your call can complete (lines not busy, trunk facilities available) the switch between caller and callee are nailed up and the call is connected. This is out of band signaling. Cool stuff.
The databases are also what provide 1-800/900 service (dial an 800 number and the DB converts it to an actual POTS number XXX-XXX-XXXX), caller id, local number portability (same as 800 conversion), some verisons of remote call fowarding, and host of other cool things.
Fun with phones. Back to work.
No he didn't. 3 x -1 = -3 not -1.
But I would assume that the 3n+1 problem only works for positive numbers.
Have they band Stargate. That show is pure blasfamy (sp?) on there ancient Gods.
Neo makes the choice that will cause the Matrix to fall and kill the entire human population, including Zion.
If Neo chose the door to HIS right (the left of the screen from the Architects perspective) then Zion would fall, the Matrix would RESET and NEO could choose 23 people (17 female and 6 male) to join him in making the new ZION and start the whole damn thing over again (the seventh Matrix/Zion).
If Neo chose the door to HIS left (the right side of the screen from the Architects perspective), then he could save Trinity but it would cause a feed back in the Matrix destroying it and killing every human plugged in. Also the sentinals would still destroy Zion.
Neo made the choice to save Trinity therefore condeming the entire human race (Matrix plugies and Zionites), but he knows there is something he can do. For one he can affect the sentinals in the real world (is it really the real world? hmmm). And two why would he make that choice and then admit that there was nothing he could do (in response to Morpheus asking what had happened, that Neo was a piece of the CONTROL just like everything else, Oracle, Crazy French Guy, etc.)
I guess we will have to wait and see how they FIX the Matrix so that the entire human race doesn't die.
Or maybe the Woz Brothers agree with many that the human race's worst enemy is itself and they will let it happen. Time will tell
Actually, a tone-customer is paying for a pusle-customer to be able to use the phone.
The current switching equipment handels tone cheaper then pulse. In the new equipment it costs more to interpet pulse functionality than tone. Pulse was used in analog switches and is not needed at all in digital switches. A pulse needs to be recorded and converted to tones for the switch to understand the number dialing.
I was commenting in general not specifically about the Columnbia incident.
I was replying to the statement about what good it would be to check the underside of the shuttle after launch if you can't do anything about it.
What about the ISS. They have plenty of food and shuttles can dock with that.
1. Transfer the crew and experiments,
2. Crew hangs out for a little while
3. Send another shuttle, and bring 'em home.
Easy as 1,2,3?... nah but possible
Thanks for the info. Now if I could ever MOD I would +1 Informative your ass. But alas I am non-moderatable. What a world.
I just wasted 98% of my brain cells trying to figure out what your parentathese and acromyns mean. Then the last 2% trying to sift through the RFC to confirm your statement.
I have just crashed with 0% brain matter left.
Known mostly as the domain for non-commercial organisations, .org is the Internet's fifth largest top-level domain, with more than 2.4 million registered domain names worldwide.
/. non-profit?
So Slashdot is Non-Commercial? I don't know. Is non-commercial the same as non-profit, is
How strict are they about that. You would think that they would be but I have not heard. Slashdot used to be free/non-ads (except for the one at the top) but now there is an add on every comment page unless you pay. Is that non-commercial?
If the First 98% are unnecessary and the last 2% are unnecessary as well...that's 100%...
That means that you just explained and wished for the Internet to go away...
or...you some how figured out how an end user can magically come up with the IP for a Host name from thin air. Go You. Your a Millionaire.
The Scott-Amundsen base is only currently accessible by air, which places limits on cargo and relies on good weather. The road could be open to heavy traffic for up to 100 days a year during the austral summer.
So the road is also limited. And what kind of cargo can a Snow Cat carry that a plain can not? Not much I would think.
The polar base plans three return journeys each summer, says Spindler. The annual capacity of the route would be about a million litres of fuel - roughly the capacity of three Hercules transporter planes that currently supply the base.
So any number of road trips will get 1 Mill Liters of fuel that would take just 3 flights. Sounds more expensive to send by land, especially since you can only travel 1/3 of the time a year. What about the rest of the year.
Yeh great idea, use and EMP to piss off your nuclear enemies by destroying all there electronic. They get pissed but do not have an EMP weapon to destroy our equipment. What do they do...they blow up a nulcear weapon in the upper atmosphere creating there own EMP, destroying some of our electronics and polluting the atmosphere to boot.
That's a great idea.
At least with conventional weapons the equal response doesn't give the whole population cancer. And since we are relativley safe from conventional attack that's okay.
IMHO
I see an issue here that is similar to all of the problem people have with Windows.
IMO, there are 3 distinct pieces to a computer. The Hardware, OS and Software. We all hate M$ because they Have crappy software that only runs on Windows and they force good companies to develop software for there OS, which alot of people don't like. That would be fine if there was an alternative OS to use with the same software.
Similarly If you use Linux/Unix software you can only use it on Linux/Unix.
What I see as the next revolution is some sort of Stanard Interface between OS and Software. This would allow for new companies to startup that create OS's by the handful allowing for more competetion, profit and cheaper prices which all fuel innovation.
This is similar to Java, but Jave fixed this with a compiler solutions.
Maybe some sort of OS/Software interface Object can be created to make the connection. That way you choose the best OS and the best software you want.
The capacity of a single layer single sided DVD is approx. 4.5GB. A dual layer disk (you know if it is because when watching movie there is a slight pause as the laser changes layers) is approx. 9GB. A Dual layer Dual Sided disk is approx. 18GB. BLue Laser is the future and can store alot more.
5.1 Surround Sound takes up a lot of space on the DVD. If you use regular 2.0 surround and maybe a little lower bit rate on the video you should have no problem fit on a 5BG Card.
A lot of movies are on Single Layered Single Sided Disks. Check the cheap DVDs that have Standard and Widescreen versions, one on each side. They are most likely Single Layered, Dual Sided. Dual, Dual are very rare (to my knowledge). So if a movie can fit on a 4.5GB DVD it probably can fit on a 5GB Card. But again Bit rate/transfer rate can cause a problem.
Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
HDTV is no forcing customer to by new TVs, its forcing customer to by HDTV tuners. I would assume that the tuners would still have an analog output for those millions of people who can not afford HDTV Tvs.
So with HDTV (atleast for a few years) Tivo and other analog recording PVRs will work just fine. The only problem is that the signal will be back to analog. This may be a moot point because market share of HDTV TVs is not going to surge in the near future or for the first few years of required HDTV signaling.
Disclaimer - As I understand it.
Actually The the actuall saying on all the posters and stuff is
"A Generation's Final Journey BEGINS" The ambiguity (sp?) lends to goin either way.
Ok look at it this way. The article stated that "That is the long-standing purpose of antitrust laws. In this case, the FCC has the power to force the cable and phone companies to open their lines--for a reasonable price, of course--to the competing Internet providers trying to enter the high-speed market." Ok reasonably priced means, in the case of broadband from telco, less than it cost to buy and install the equipment. So the telephone company spends X amount of money to buy and install DSL equipment and must lease that equipment to a competitor for less than X. Also the telco must maintain the equipment. That is a huge loss for the company. Remember this is a business. The companies will not invest in a product that will cause them to loose money. If the margin is to small and profit is to low the share holders will freak. The equipment is available for telco to supply DSL to everyone not just those that are with in 3,000 feet of the central office. The problem is if they install the equipment now they will take a loss by being forced to lease the equipment to a competitor for less. Maybe deregulation will fix that.
This is also the reason why prices are high. It costs alot of money to maintain the small amount of equipment that is available for the telco to use now. So if they could expand the network to allow more to customer to get DSL the margin will increase (or decrease not sure the correct saying) and they can provide the service cheaper. Basic economics here, the more product you can produce the cheaper you can sell it for because your overall profit will still be higher.
Ok another statment "But it's a major problem for broadband, which transmits huge bundles of information and can be greatly slowed down by copper wires." Wrong again. Yes the amount of information is more but not that much. The encoding technique that is used is very similar to that of ISDN (and is actually better) and ISDN has and still does work quite well. A user has a dedicated line back the office in there town. Once in the Central Office the DSL is sent out on an ATM network which is mostly transmitted along fiber.
This author needs to do a little more research.
What they are saying (although it is misleading) is that and pre-installed copy of the OS can not be used on another computer. They are not saying that the computer can not be used with out the original OS, the original OS can not be used with out the computer. They are making a statment for no reason (other than to mislead). The school is not in the position to have a copy of pre-installed software with out the computer. Why the hell would I donate my OEM copy of Win 98. I am not that mean. The schools ARE in the position to receive a computer with no OS.
So why did they make this statement. To confuse and being just a pain in the a$$ as they always have been. Thanks you very much
This bill will help in the delivery of Broadband to everyone. It will allow the big Bells to invest more in their network to expanding it therefore allowing for more service providers and more broadband connections.
The Big Bells are constantly bending over for the smaller companies, being forced to provide cheaper access rates in turn allowing the leaser to sell service cheaper directly completing with Big Guy. New York has lowered the maximum that Verizon can charge a local provider for access to their network. This in turn causes that company to compete directly with Verizon using Verizon's own network. Next it causes Verizon to not want to invest in the infrastructure of that part of the network. Why should they build up the network only to have it stolen from them for pennies. This in turn causes degredation of serice in the area in turn causing more maintenance in turn cause a higher phone. Are you telling me like that.
WOW, That was interesting. You need to chill bro. Everyone grieves and moves on in there own way. For you to judge the way people are acting after this tradegy (and to evidently get pissed about it) is as bad as the terrorists who thought America is evil because of the way we live and go about our lives. Sit down, relax, and worry about yourself and your family now, not total strangers.
Because Paramount own the Star Trek Franchise and UPN