I don't think "spontaneous intelligence" was what they were trying to communicate. I believe that the amount of processing power to simulate both the speed and complexity of a human mind is what they were talking about.
Thank you for enlightening us with your witty reply.
Only the fact that if I went in and said that they need to provide backdoors to all of the bank's encryption schemes, this wouldn't get 5 minutes on the hill. There would be chaos.
The fact that you post this, and the fact that it gets moderated to +5, indicates the shallowness of the thinking on this subject.
Yes, and so does your reply. Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles.
Try not to stall your brain next time, eh?
Moderators: You can downgrade this as flamebait, because it is, kinda. Besides, it is a response to a zero scored comment.
I wonder if this technology could be used to create a solid state engine. If you think about it, when you burn fuel in your engine, you're turning the heat energy into horsepower, which is what this material is doing.
My first car had an 81 horsepower engine (at the wheels). I wonder if you can move enough heat energy with this stuff to power a small car?
Alternatively, last week my Saturn blew up because of a sensor fault in the radiator. I cracked a head, torched a few hoses and quite a few other parts got messed up. The repair was close to $2000 to get it back on the road (I only owe $2600 on it). I wonder if this material could be used to cool an engine. What if you were to coat the engine block with this stuff? Could you just run an electric fan across the engine when it got too warm? That would save coolant, a radiator, hoses, a water pump etc! Maybe Porsche could make a smoking air cooled engine again. Maybe the classic Beetle would make a revival!
This would put SCSI on the skids. Right now SCSI is the only really fast interface commonly available between devices, but it's cost has kept it from becoming the standard. But if you could just plug in a fiber connection, you'd be rocking. Another thought is that fiber network cards wouldn't be far away. It'd be cool to buy a LinkSys Fiberboard at CompUSA for 30 bucks and be able to network all of your computers in house that way. Of course wireless technology is already pushing the limit farther.
Also, Time magazine reported last year about this, and they pointed out that the kind of speed offered by fiber is the only real bottleneck to creating a truly self aware computer. They also mentioned that MIT was working on a Laser circuit, where logic is figured out by the paths of a laser moving through space.
The only real application of this at the current time is in device to device communications. We'd have to rework all silicon chips to use the new protocols.
Another problem is that we'd still have the silicon-to-light translation bottleneck. i.e. and electrical signal from a pin on a chip needs to be converted to laserlight somehow. To make this truly work, you'd need a chip that reponds via light, and I haven't seen any IC's that communicate via light yet. Of course, I doubt that they are very far around the corner.
I think some of us tech geeks ought to go to Capitol Hill and point out that "Secure" websites also use encryption. That banks transfer funds through encrypted channels, etc etc etc...
Isn't it strange how "Encryption" is bad, but "Secure" is good despite the fact that they are the exact same thing? Criminals encrypt their transmissions but Bankers make "secure transmissions"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this anticompetitive? Compared to a lot of the other stuff that's been flinging through the courts, I believe this takes the cake.
This would be like saying to all Saturn car owners that even though you used to be able to use Shell, Exxon, Mobil and other gasolines, now you can only use Saturn brand gasoline, and explaining that the reason is to prevent pollution.
I do agree with the point that they are the biggest spam and virus generators on the planet.
How can you call it a cat if it doesn't do things characteristic of most cats? Namely:
Raising it's butt when you scratch it
Getting up and walking out of the room for absolutely no apparent reason.
Scratching the bejeezus out of your hand when you scratch it's belly.
Playing "Turdball" across your living room.
Laying down on your newspaper when you're reading it.
And most imporantly:
Pushing it's butt in your face so you can smell it.
On the other hand, they definately have the "ignore you" down pat. Perhaps it shouldn't be named "NeCoRo" and instead be called "Necro." It's a bit more fitting.
I've messed around with A.L.I.C.E's web interface a couple of months ago and was wholly unimpressed. Frankly, it seemed a little bit like a jacked up ELIZA program. I thought the language and context identification algorithms were outstanding, but it didn't have enough background information to create or express an opinion. To pass the turing test, I think it would need to be able to recognize metaphors and figure context and be able to provide commentary. Also, I think something like Alice ought to be able to recognize sarcasm and jokes.
At some point in the very near future, the wireless capabilites will outstrip the wired capabilites. Right now, the fastest single hard connection to a computer that I'm aware of is Gigabit Ethernet.
This is some very cool stuff. Of course, I am reminded of a joke related to this:
Joe, the world's leading Cyberneticist boards a plane bound for Athens, Greece. This flight is the maiden flight of American Airline's first totally automated flight.
As he walks to his seat, he is greeted by a slick looking robotic flight attendant of his design. After sitting down, another attendant of the same design brings him a scotch and water (just the way he likes it) and says in a tinny voice "Good Morning Dr. Davidson, I hope you enjoy the flight."
Settling back in his seat with his drink in hand, he thinks about the many thousands of hours he has put into the autonomic systems that entirely control this plane.
As he goes to give his empty glass back to the robotic attendant, the plane pushes back from the gate. After a short while, he hears a much smoother robotic voice come over the intercom; "Good Morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to American Airlines Flight 1644 from Los Angeles to Boston. This will be a 2 1/2 hour flight. We at American Arlines would like to take a moment and point out that this is the first trip made completely under the control of the latest IBM 36000 Autonomic Robotic Piloting Computer. Every aspect of this flight, from the attendants serving you drinks to myself, the pilot, have been developed with safety in mind."
As the flight trundles down the runway, picking up speed, the voice continues on; "So you can sit back, relax and enjoy the flight, secure in the knowledge that absolutely nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong......"
Seriously, we're not very far from this. Flights routinely take off and land with only the most minor human intervention, and cars are being developed which use visual cues to pilot themselves down the road (a company in Australia has converted a Humvee for a test bed).
This is a pretty typical negotiation technique. Ask for the moon if all you want is a picture of the moon. Fight like hell for the moon, and when someone offers you a photo, look glum and get exactly what you wanted.
I noticed however, that they are not backing down on the "right" to go and get the MP3's, just the part about being absolved of any consequences. They still want into your computer files.
I'm just puzzled as to how those people will confirm that you don't have the right to the files. I have about 2000 Mp3's on my computer that I ripped off of my CD's. I have the right to them, they DON'T have the right to delete them..
But I'm an easy guy, I really don't have a problem with this.
HEY! RIAA!! I've Got 2000 MP3's that you can delete! Come and Get Em!! My IP address is 127.0.0.1!
SNL did a thing about this one time. They had Caller ID Blocker Blocker(tm). This device unblocks the Caller ID of the person who called you, even if they have their caller ID blocked. I thought it was pretty funny, but then my local phone system allowed me to block calls without caller id. That was spooky. It works pretty well, but now my Grandmother needs to dial *2 before dialing my phone number to call me.
It would be far more useful to me if telemarketers had an ACTUAL ID to go with the phone number. What I mean is, I get an ID that says "UKNOWN 555-234-5678" on my caller ID. If that ID was useful, it would be more helpful.
I'd like to see:
"Unsolicited Call From A Charity Who Snail Mailed You A Mailer Last Week That You Ignored And They're Hoping You'll Change Your Mind But We Both Know You Won't But We Still Have To Put The Call Through Because We Make Money That Way.... Sorry - Pac Bell, 800-2GO-AWAY" but they probably would need a caller ID box with 1024x768 resolution
The thing that irritates me the most is that the article doesn't say what part of the lottery might be illegal. I'd also be interested to know if NeuLevel is allowed to take more entries for the domain names.
What I mean is, if I've applied for ldopa.biz with two other people, and the lottery has been stopped, what happens to my request? What if someone else wants to register it now? Can they register it, or is it taken, even though it isn't yet taken.
Also, how is a lottery illegal, but bidding for a domain name isn't? I can buy ldopa1's-house-of-smackdown.com and auction it off on Ebay if I want to.
"This is a major new recognition of the social value of free software and open source."
I hadn't even heard of the Takeda Prize until this article. If someone like me, who it very up to date on technology doesn't have the slightest clue about what the Takeda Prize means, or what it would be for, how can you call it major recognition? If nobody knows about it, it isn't major. There aren't exactly a half-billion people rearranging their dinner schedules to catch the Takeda Prize.
Which leads me to another point; This is the first annual Takeda Prize. Again, I ask, how is this "major recognition"? This isn't the Nobel Prize, which is 100 years old and internationally recognized. This isn't even the Pulitzer Prize, which ANYONE can enter.
Yes, I realize that the Nobel Prize was once new, and it takes time. I just don't see it as major recognition.
BTW: I won this year's First Annual Nimrod Prize for Outstanding Slashdot Commentary. This is a major new recognition of the social value of LDOPA1's digital literature.
See my point?
Moderators: This isn't Flamebait, it's textual criticism. There is a difference.
BTW: I reported on this three days ago, and the article was rejected.
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So how does it make a test case of any kind? The point if Intenet2 is to be more secure. If it's not tried against the very things it's supposed to protect against, then how can you tell it works?
I read an article in Wired a while back that the folks over at MIT's "Oxygen" project are working on a way to use these phones as a type of realtime cursor. They say that with an electronic compass and GPS (military grade), you would be able to point your phone at a building and the phone could tell you information about the building. The example they cited was a restaurant where the phone gave you the menu for the restaurant from out in the street, and offered you the chance to make a reservation. I thought it was pretty cool.
Of course, if I think about it hard, maybe that isn't such a great idea. I can just picture what the cell phone would say about my house in five years:
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Not a bad idea, on the face of it. But what if the test case fails?
If the test case proves woefully inadequate, then the secrets of our Government will be in the hands of a bunch of l33t 12 y34r-0|d H4X0Rz!
Seriously, why would the Govt want to do that? They'll keep everything hush-hush until someone invents something better. I understand that a bunch of MIT folks developed a system that can recreate a computer screen from over 100 ft from the computer without wires just by decoding the electromagnetic pulses from the monitor.
Of course, that means the NSA now has copies of my spam.
The internet is based on ARPAnet..
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If my memory serves me right, the Internet is the bigger grandson of ARPAnet, which was originally developed for secure voice and teletype transmissions.
I say "Bring it on!" Not for a hacking standpoint, because really, what's the point? I think that GOVNET will eventually become another arm of the Internet eventually. It only makes sense that at least one department (Office of Homeland Security comes to mind) will want a direct link to the Internet to make work easier, and then another and then another, and finally, the GOVNET will just be another section of the internet, the same way WAIS and GOPHER are today. I wouldn't worry.
BTW, my thought that ARPAnet was the start of it all is sort of correct. You can check it all out right here.
Wow, you really are a risk-taker! You'd be willing to risk some arbitrary points given to you by people you've never met and never will meet, in a silly little popularity contest masquerading as a news and discussion website, just to stand up for what you believe in? Man, you are a true hero, the likes of which are too few in this world.
Thank You! Somebody finally got my point. Posting as an AC to save karma is stupid.
Hmmm... Maybe leave the office with the rest of the UN folks? Or perhaps at least get away from Taliban assets? Those are just 2 options. Remember, the U.N. told all of the U.N. personnel to go home.
You're right, they were Afghans. I misheard when I was listening to NPR, and Yahoo News wasn't specific.
That doesn't blow away my argument. They were there by choice, regardless of nationality. The rest of the UN offices had been evacuated, and they chose to stay. If ANYONE is to blame, it would be the UN.
Is this a fair thing to do? It seems to me that it is trying to trick customers into evaluating the processors more fairly.
Sure it's fair, I just think it's a bad idea. This ties AMD's entire branding effort to whatever Intel does. In other words, if Intel were to take the same tack, in five years we could end up with the "Intel Plentidum XXP++ 1800+++ Equiv4" and all of a sudden, the Cyrus Logic 2.5 GHz chip will look great despite the fact that the latest P7 (or whatever) is running in the 15 GHz range.
If we were to do this with political candidates, our ballot would look like:
Slashdot Mirror
I don't think "spontaneous intelligence" was what they were trying to communicate. I believe that the amount of processing power to simulate both the speed and complexity of a human mind is what they were talking about.
Thank you for enlightening us with your witty reply.
Only the fact that if I went in and said that they need to provide backdoors to all of the bank's encryption schemes, this wouldn't get 5 minutes on the hill. There would be chaos.
The fact that you post this, and the fact that it gets moderated to +5, indicates the shallowness of the thinking on this subject.
Yes, and so does your reply. Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles.
Try not to stall your brain next time, eh?
Moderators: You can downgrade this as flamebait, because it is, kinda. Besides, it is a response to a zero scored comment.
I wonder if this technology could be used to create a solid state engine. If you think about it, when you burn fuel in your engine, you're turning the heat energy into horsepower, which is what this material is doing.
My first car had an 81 horsepower engine (at the wheels). I wonder if you can move enough heat energy with this stuff to power a small car?
Alternatively, last week my Saturn blew up because of a sensor fault in the radiator. I cracked a head, torched a few hoses and quite a few other parts got messed up. The repair was close to $2000 to get it back on the road (I only owe $2600 on it). I wonder if this material could be used to cool an engine. What if you were to coat the engine block with this stuff? Could you just run an electric fan across the engine when it got too warm? That would save coolant, a radiator, hoses, a water pump etc! Maybe Porsche could make a smoking air cooled engine again. Maybe the classic Beetle would make a revival!
This would put SCSI on the skids. Right now SCSI is the only really fast interface commonly available between devices, but it's cost has kept it from becoming the standard. But if you could just plug in a fiber connection, you'd be rocking. Another thought is that fiber network cards wouldn't be far away. It'd be cool to buy a LinkSys Fiberboard at CompUSA for 30 bucks and be able to network all of your computers in house that way. Of course wireless technology is already pushing the limit farther.
Also, Time magazine reported last year about this, and they pointed out that the kind of speed offered by fiber is the only real bottleneck to creating a truly self aware computer. They also mentioned that MIT was working on a Laser circuit, where logic is figured out by the paths of a laser moving through space.
The only real application of this at the current time is in device to device communications. We'd have to rework all silicon chips to use the new protocols.
Another problem is that we'd still have the silicon-to-light translation bottleneck. i.e. and electrical signal from a pin on a chip needs to be converted to laserlight somehow. To make this truly work, you'd need a chip that reponds via light, and I haven't seen any IC's that communicate via light yet. Of course, I doubt that they are very far around the corner.
I think some of us tech geeks ought to go to Capitol Hill and point out that "Secure" websites also use encryption. That banks transfer funds through encrypted channels, etc etc etc...
Isn't it strange how "Encryption" is bad, but "Secure" is good despite the fact that they are the exact same thing? Criminals encrypt their transmissions but Bankers make "secure transmissions"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this anticompetitive? Compared to a lot of the other stuff that's been flinging through the courts, I believe this takes the cake.
This would be like saying to all Saturn car owners that even though you used to be able to use Shell, Exxon, Mobil and other gasolines, now you can only use Saturn brand gasoline, and explaining that the reason is to prevent pollution.
I do agree with the point that they are the biggest spam and virus generators on the planet.
Raising it's butt when you scratch it
Getting up and walking out of the room for absolutely no apparent reason.
Scratching the bejeezus out of your hand when you scratch it's belly.
Playing "Turdball" across your living room.
Laying down on your newspaper when you're reading it.
And most imporantly:
Pushing it's butt in your face so you can smell it.
On the other hand, they definately have the "ignore you" down pat. Perhaps it shouldn't be named "NeCoRo" and instead be called "Necro." It's a bit more fitting.
Really?
I've messed around with A.L.I.C.E's web interface a couple of months ago and was wholly unimpressed. Frankly, it seemed a little bit like a jacked up ELIZA program. I thought the language and context identification algorithms were outstanding, but it didn't have enough background information to create or express an opinion. To pass the turing test, I think it would need to be able to recognize metaphors and figure context and be able to provide commentary. Also, I think something like Alice ought to be able to recognize sarcasm and jokes.
Just my two cents.
At some point in the very near future, the wireless capabilites will outstrip the wired capabilites. Right now, the fastest single hard connection to a computer that I'm aware of is Gigabit Ethernet.
This is some very cool stuff. Of course, I am reminded of a joke related to this:
Joe, the world's leading Cyberneticist boards a plane bound for Athens, Greece. This flight is the maiden flight of American Airline's first totally automated flight.
As he walks to his seat, he is greeted by a slick looking robotic flight attendant of his design. After sitting down, another attendant of the same design brings him a scotch and water (just the way he likes it) and says in a tinny voice "Good Morning Dr. Davidson, I hope you enjoy the flight."
Settling back in his seat with his drink in hand, he thinks about the many thousands of hours he has put into the autonomic systems that entirely control this plane.
As he goes to give his empty glass back to the robotic attendant, the plane pushes back from the gate. After a short while, he hears a much smoother robotic voice come over the intercom; "Good Morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to American Airlines Flight 1644 from Los Angeles to Boston. This will be a 2 1/2 hour flight. We at American Arlines would like to take a moment and point out that this is the first trip made completely under the control of the latest IBM 36000 Autonomic Robotic Piloting Computer. Every aspect of this flight, from the attendants serving you drinks to myself, the pilot, have been developed with safety in mind."
As the flight trundles down the runway, picking up speed, the voice continues on; "So you can sit back, relax and enjoy the flight, secure in the knowledge that absolutely nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong......"
Seriously, we're not very far from this. Flights routinely take off and land with only the most minor human intervention, and cars are being developed which use visual cues to pilot themselves down the road (a company in Australia has converted a Humvee for a test bed).
This is a pretty typical negotiation technique. Ask for the moon if all you want is a picture of the moon. Fight like hell for the moon, and when someone offers you a photo, look glum and get exactly what you wanted.
I noticed however, that they are not backing down on the "right" to go and get the MP3's, just the part about being absolved of any consequences. They still want into your computer files.
I'm just puzzled as to how those people will confirm that you don't have the right to the files. I have about 2000 Mp3's on my computer that I ripped off of my CD's. I have the right to them, they DON'T have the right to delete them..
But I'm an easy guy, I really don't have a problem with this.
HEY! RIAA!! I've Got 2000 MP3's that you can delete! Come and Get Em!! My IP address is 127.0.0.1!
SNL did a thing about this one time. They had Caller ID Blocker Blocker(tm). This device unblocks the Caller ID of the person who called you, even if they have their caller ID blocked. I thought it was pretty funny, but then my local phone system allowed me to block calls without caller id. That was spooky. It works pretty well, but now my Grandmother needs to dial *2 before dialing my phone number to call me.
It would be far more useful to me if telemarketers had an ACTUAL ID to go with the phone number. What I mean is, I get an ID that says "UKNOWN 555-234-5678" on my caller ID. If that ID was useful, it would be more helpful.
I'd like to see:
"Unsolicited Call From A Charity Who Snail Mailed You A Mailer Last Week That You Ignored And They're Hoping You'll Change Your Mind But We Both Know You Won't But We Still Have To Put The Call Through Because We Make Money That Way.... Sorry - Pac Bell, 800-2GO-AWAY" but they probably would need a caller ID box with 1024x768 resolution
Did I mention that the Nimrod Prize for Outstanding Slashdot Commentary is $60,000,000,000,000,000 US?
:)
The thing that irritates me the most is that the article doesn't say what part of the lottery might be illegal. I'd also be interested to know if NeuLevel is allowed to take more entries for the domain names.
What I mean is, if I've applied for ldopa.biz with two other people, and the lottery has been stopped, what happens to my request? What if someone else wants to register it now? Can they register it, or is it taken, even though it isn't yet taken.
Also, how is a lottery illegal, but bidding for a domain name isn't? I can buy ldopa1's-house-of-smackdown.com and auction it off on Ebay if I want to.
"This is a major new recognition of the social value of free software and open source."
I hadn't even heard of the Takeda Prize until this article. If someone like me, who it very up to date on technology doesn't have the slightest clue about what the Takeda Prize means, or what it would be for, how can you call it major recognition? If nobody knows about it, it isn't major. There aren't exactly a half-billion people rearranging their dinner schedules to catch the Takeda Prize.
Which leads me to another point; This is the first annual Takeda Prize. Again, I ask, how is this "major recognition"? This isn't the Nobel Prize, which is 100 years old and internationally recognized. This isn't even the Pulitzer Prize, which ANYONE can enter.
Yes, I realize that the Nobel Prize was once new, and it takes time. I just don't see it as major recognition.
BTW: I won this year's First Annual Nimrod Prize for Outstanding Slashdot Commentary. This is a major new recognition of the social value of LDOPA1's digital literature.
See my point?
Moderators: This isn't Flamebait, it's textual criticism. There is a difference.
Linux Devices has the prototype of this watch on their cool embedded linux devices list.
You can check out the link here..
**Karma Killing Whine Alert**
BTW: I reported on this three days ago, and the article was rejected.
**End of Karma Killing Whine Alert**
So how does it make a test case of any kind? The point if Intenet2 is to be more secure. If it's not tried against the very things it's supposed to protect against, then how can you tell it works?
I read an article in Wired a while back that the folks over at MIT's "Oxygen" project are working on a way to use these phones as a type of realtime cursor. They say that with an electronic compass and GPS (military grade), you would be able to point your phone at a building and the phone could tell you information about the building. The example they cited was a restaurant where the phone gave you the menu for the restaurant from out in the street, and offered you the chance to make a reservation. I thought it was pretty cool.
Of course, if I think about it hard, maybe that isn't such a great idea. I can just picture what the cell phone would say about my house in five years:
Address: 1313 Mockingbird Lane
Phone: 699-555-1212
Type: Residence
Owner: LDOPA1
Currently: Masturbating
I don't think I want that to happen...
Not a bad idea, on the face of it. But what if the test case fails?
If the test case proves woefully inadequate, then the secrets of our Government will be in the hands of a bunch of l33t 12 y34r-0|d H4X0Rz!
Seriously, why would the Govt want to do that? They'll keep everything hush-hush until someone invents something better. I understand that a bunch of MIT folks developed a system that can recreate a computer screen from over 100 ft from the computer without wires just by decoding the electromagnetic pulses from the monitor.
Of course, that means the NSA now has copies of my spam.
If my memory serves me right, the Internet is the bigger grandson of ARPAnet, which was originally developed for secure voice and teletype transmissions.
I say "Bring it on!" Not for a hacking standpoint, because really, what's the point? I think that GOVNET will eventually become another arm of the Internet eventually. It only makes sense that at least one department (Office of Homeland Security comes to mind) will want a direct link to the Internet to make work easier, and then another and then another, and finally, the GOVNET will just be another section of the internet, the same way WAIS and GOPHER are today. I wouldn't worry.
BTW, my thought that ARPAnet was the start of it all is sort of correct. You can check it all out right here.
Wow, you really are a risk-taker! You'd be willing to risk some arbitrary points given to you by people you've never met and never will meet, in a silly little popularity contest masquerading as a news and discussion website, just to stand up for what you believe in? Man, you are a true hero, the likes of which are too few in this world.
Thank You! Somebody finally got my point. Posting as an AC to save karma is stupid.
I've BEEN shot at, thank you very much, and yes, God Forbid I'm ever in that situation again.
Hmmm... Maybe leave the office with the rest of the UN folks? Or perhaps at least get away from Taliban assets? Those are just 2 options. Remember, the U.N. told all of the U.N. personnel to go home.
You're right, they were Afghans. I misheard when I was listening to NPR, and Yahoo News wasn't specific.
That doesn't blow away my argument. They were there by choice, regardless of nationality. The rest of the UN offices had been evacuated, and they chose to stay. If ANYONE is to blame, it would be the UN.
Sure it's fair, I just think it's a bad idea. This ties AMD's entire branding effort to whatever Intel does. In other words, if Intel were to take the same tack, in five years we could end up with the "Intel Plentidum XXP++ 1800+++ Equiv4" and all of a sudden, the Cyrus Logic 2.5 GHz chip will look great despite the fact that the latest P7 (or whatever) is running in the 15 GHz range.
If we were to do this with political candidates, our ballot would look like:
George W. Bush (Equivalent to A. Gore)
Al Gore (Equivalent to G. W. Bush)
John McCain (G.W. Bush+)
Ralph Nader (iMac)