Except for the fact that low pressure sodium gives off this horrid yellow light that is impossible to see any color whatsoever in. Not only is it limited application for this reason, but not being able to see color is something people associate with low light conditions. So you have an area that's very well lit, in theory, yet people think it is very dimly lit.
The only upside to low pressure sodium is being able to throw the lamps into a 55 gallon drum that's half full with water, breaking them on the edge of the barrel, and watching the sodium burn in the barrel.
I hate to say you're wrong, but you are. Gas ionisation and LEDs do share uses, electric signs and accent lighting. In the old days, all the channel letters used neon or argon/mercury tubes. Now we're seeing a change to LEDs because they're more efficient and a supposed lower TCO.
Unfortunatly, this is not true.
Neon (for your red colors), and argon/mercury(for your blues/whites/everything else) is on average 50% brighter than your standard LED illuminated channel letter. Standard illumination being your minimum amount of lighting for an even lighting thru the body of the letter. In order to achieve the same brightness for the LED letters, you need to consume 30% more power than with neon.
For argon/mercury, the numbers are even more against LEDs. You're talking about 45% more power. Red is the only color with any sort of efficiency compared to gas tube lighting. As for white, you can forget it for now.
As far as the life expectancy, they can warranty them from here to the moon, but a warranty is only as good as the company that stands behind it. I'm currently dealing with a situation where we're replacing Sloan LEDs in a number of locations because of early failure(approx 3000 hours of use). GE Tetra LEDs seem to hold up fairly well. There are other LED manufacturers that we're having trouble with, but Sloan is the only one that comes to mind. While they honor the warranties, they're only for parts, not the service calls that we go out on.
A properly installed gas tube sign will need a transformer replaced every 10 years or so. Total cost, $250 including labor. From what I'm seeing with LEDs right now, you have to replace the entire system every 10 years, total cost, about $750.
These numbers are based on one set of raceway mounted channel letters, with serifs, 15" overall height, that read "FOO"
LEDs may indeed be the future. Unfortunatly, not the near future. They have a long way to go before they are ready for production.
Disclaimer: I am a sign guy. I've worked both in the office and the field. I know this shit inside and out.
No. If you can't imagine the use for more processing power and why there is the drive that perpetuates Moore's Law, perhaps you've forgotten about Gates's Law.
The problem isn't RFID, or red light cameras, or government agencies using computers.
The problem is the laws. Speeding is something that 90% of the population does and yet it is illegal. Even the lawmakers break this law. Red lights are often timed in the most stupid ways with sensors that don't often work. There are a few in my town that I end up running on a regular basis. And what exactly IS the issue with parking the "wrong" way on a two way street? It's not like two cars can get by at the same time anyway so people are going slow and expecting cars to come out of anywhere and everywhere(sometimes you have to duck down the left hand side to let someone else thru on my street). Are all of these crimes because they're dangerous, or are these crimes because "there should be a law against that"?
Parking meters and tolls are self-perpetuating situations. It costs too much to remove the toll booths so we have to keep charging tolls. Adding the amount in toll profit/meter profit to the gas tax or the income tax would make alot more sense and also lead to a more efficient government. Instead of paying tollners and meter maids these people can become productive members of society.
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You're saying that the only way people know that people don't type in every web address is because of pages that show the referring url? Or are you saying that bots look for urls that are on a page and try and post into forms on that page?
Or are you saying that referring is evil in and of itself and search engines should be banned?
Yes, because security thru obsucrity is always the way to go. Let's not fix the real problem here, but let's hide the goddamn information so that only the really l33t spammers can figure it out.
While we're at it, let's not post bugs either. Someone might exploit bugs in software to their advantage.
I know I'm coming in late on this, but hey, it's an idea that's been kicking about in my head for quite some time
You have a SLA battery bank, ok, 1.2v between each of the cells. Your charging mechanism puts out 24 volts, so you have 20 SLA cells in series.
Follow me so far?
You need 6v, 9v, 4v, and 12v.
For 6v you tap off of 5 of the cells for 9v you tap off of . . . hrmm, 8 cells gives you 9.6, so you waste some current there or overvolt the eq. 4 volts much the same. Except you can choose to run at 3.6 instead.. 12 volts needs 10 cells.
It's the same principal as a multi-tap transformer. You just have to watch the grounds(if any) because you have a maximum potential of 24 volts.
IANAEE, IHNTTB4(I am not an electrical engineer, I have not tried this before)
On the plus side, if the power goes out, your system still works.
Here, let me show you, since you haven't read the article that you posted:
There were 1.8 million persons who were marginally attached to the labor force in January, about unchanged from a year earlier. (Data are not seasonally adjusted.) These individuals wanted and were available to work and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed, however, because they did not actively search for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. The number of discouraged workers, at 515,000 in January, was slightly higher than a year earlier. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, were not currently looking for work specfically because they believed no jobs were available for them. The other 1.3 million marginally attached had not searched for work for reasons such as school or family responsibilities.
I believe when they say "Looking for work" they mean "sending out resumes/applications". At least that's what they told me when I was on unemployment in PA. Anyone who's been unemployed for longer than 2 weeks knows that you can't just go out and "find a job" like people suggest. Jobs that pay any sort of living wage are few and far between. And if you're in IT, good luck finding something remotely in your field.
I think I ran the numbers once before and figured out if you doubled the salary of orange pickers the price of an orange might go up 2 cents. The rest of the cost is markup, transportation, equipment, and land.
Coal is much dirtier. There has been more radioactivity released into the atmosphere from coal than all nuclear disasters combined. People think coal is all carbon and sulpher. They need to think again.
Capital response, indeed. I commend you for sticking to the issue at hand and forming an intelligent reply. Now I'll reply to the message completely out of order.
Yes, people who think that double negatives are in some way illogical are very irritating.
I don't think they're not logical in the least! Double negatives are not always an ungood thing. People just need to learn to not use them when they don't mean to.
good reasons to speak standard English sometimes, but this doesn't mean it's OK to sneer at people who speak other varieties for being stupid or uneducated or whatever. This kind of predjudice shouldn't be more acceptable than any other kind.
I think "predjudice" is a word that is shifting in meaning and leaving a hole in the language as it does. How else does one describe their default feelings towards something? Predjudice is not always a bad thing.
I reserve the right to be predjudiced against anyone who has to repeat their point 3 times for me to understand it. I further reserve the right to be predjudiced towards people with plesant attitudes.
The standard response of, "well that's just how the world works, if you don't speak standard English you must be an idiot"
That's not the case, but I think some people harbor inner feelings like that(many the same people who think that "predjudice" is a bad word). If you don't speak standard English, don't be upset when you have to rephrase things. Language does evolve, and what's nonstandard today becomes tommorow's standard.
People usually have plenty of other ways to prove their stupidity to me. Some of them even speak perfect English!
On the topic of Dialect
It is of course non-standard (insofar as there is a definition of standard English), but there's no reason to use terms like "improper" or "incorrect". Other dialects are not in any way inferior.
I never said the word "improper" as far as dialect was concerned. I merely stated "Dialect cannot be considered proper english". Perhaps I should have said "Dialect cannot be considered Proper English. I also did not favor one dialect over another, hence the word "other" in your reply leaves some question, as in "other than which".
On the difference between dialect, slang, and bad English
These are political issues. Your distinction between a dialect and "bad" language has no linguistic basis. It's just snobbery.
Perhaps if the world were perfect your statement would be correct. I just want to know what dialect "You want no come in?" would fall under. I think that people, even linguists, recognize that some people fail to speak the language with any sort of pattern that can be seen in others, or even charted at all. I would consider such English bad, or broken.
Slang has and always will be the common tongue of the lower class. That is its definition. Once a word is picked up by the upper class it is no longer slang. Again, the language evolves. Note that "lower class" does not always mean poor. Many criminals are lower class yet have quite a bit of money. Class is in how one presents themself.
. . . serves to uphold a system of linguistic snobbery which is completely unjustifiable. We could teach schoolchildren standard English without making them feel inferior for speaking their own variety.
When I'm up in a crane and radioing the operator, I want to be able to communicate effectively with him or her with ease. When I'm explaining an electrical circut to someone, or where holes need to be dug or concrete needs to be poured, I don't want there to be a barrier of "not being made inferior" between us. You cannot communicate with people you do not speak the language of. Language is more than an identity of who someone is. Language is a tool that betters humanity. Because of that, children need to be taught Standard English.
There's a difference between accent and dialect, first of all, and I don't think you understand them.
Accent is a drift in the pronunciation.
Dialect tends to bend the meanings of words.
Dialect cannot be considered proper english due to the fact that it isn't widespread(usu. local) and confusion is likely to exist due to conflicting meanings. If I'd told you to "Rush the growler" would you have any idea what I was talking about?
Would you
Pet the dog? Fill the pail with beer? Get a sandwich?
Yes, the answer is fully accessable on Google. But do you have google at your fingertips at every conversation? Would you even think to look at google if someone had posed that to you in an email?
Also note that dialect is first a regional thing, secondly a class thing. It isn't an all-encompassing concept; not everything that doesn't fall into standard english is a dialect, there's also the concepts of "slang" and "bad".
Why do I get the feeling that you're speaking of people who refuse to understand "bad" english and take it as what it means rather than what you think it means (the phrase "don't need no" comes to mind), rather than what the OP was saying.
BTW, I found the OP's message a bit cumbersome. I think I grokked it after reading it several times.
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I actually do something very similar. I email the following accounts:
My trucks belong to me. If you want to work for me, you'll drive them where I tell you to. I don't mind if you get a pack of cigarettes when you stop for fuel in the morning, or if you grab lunch somewhere reasonable on the way to the afternoon job.
But don't let me catch you sleeping on the side of the road somewhere, or hanging out at a buddy's house at the end of the day to waste the last half hour. You'll come back to the shop, and load up for tomorrow's work. Do you understand?
We'll work together as long as it's profitable. You need to go out and do the jobs, I need to set them up. How would you feel if I decided to not get any sales, and tomorrow you didn't have a job? Well, that's what it's like when you go and goof off on me. I can't pay people to not make me money. If I don't make money, I can't pay you.
Aren't there more black-box ways of determining whether I've done my job without gathering exraneous information that invades my privacy? I see problems with the Big Brother approach as not dealing with root cause.
How better to figure out where someone is at a given time than a GPS unit that phones home? What other black-box solution do you suggest? Alot of them are already carrying the hardware needed to impliment this(nextel phones do it for one).
Invades YOUR privacy? How about protecting the owner of the company's assets?
Instead of enacting policy that cripples everyone else
How does a black box in a truck, or a cellphone that you carry anyway cripple anyone? Or did I just get trolled
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That's also the "per sheet" limit. You can have multiple sheets and ref them with a simple 'sheetname'!cell
That's only because they were looking for a compromise.
i.e. a situation in which nobody is happy.
No. It's not THAT far! It's only about 26 miles!
Except for the fact that low pressure sodium gives off this horrid yellow light that is impossible to see any color whatsoever in. Not only is it limited application for this reason, but not being able to see color is something people associate with low light conditions. So you have an area that's very well lit, in theory, yet people think it is very dimly lit.
The only upside to low pressure sodium is being able to throw the lamps into a 55 gallon drum that's half full with water, breaking them on the edge of the barrel, and watching the sodium burn in the barrel.
I hate to say you're wrong, but you are. Gas ionisation and LEDs do share uses, electric signs and accent lighting. In the old days, all the channel letters used neon or argon/mercury tubes. Now we're seeing a change to LEDs because they're more efficient and a supposed lower TCO.
Unfortunatly, this is not true.
Neon (for your red colors), and argon/mercury(for your blues/whites/everything else) is on average 50% brighter than your standard LED illuminated channel letter. Standard illumination being your minimum amount of lighting for an even lighting thru the body of the letter. In order to achieve the same brightness for the LED letters, you need to consume 30% more power than with neon.
For argon/mercury, the numbers are even more against LEDs. You're talking about 45% more power. Red is the only color with any sort of efficiency compared to gas tube lighting. As for white, you can forget it for now.
As far as the life expectancy, they can warranty them from here to the moon, but a warranty is only as good as the company that stands behind it. I'm currently dealing with a situation where we're replacing Sloan LEDs in a number of locations because of early failure(approx 3000 hours of use). GE Tetra LEDs seem to hold up fairly well. There are other LED manufacturers that we're having trouble with, but Sloan is the only one that comes to mind. While they honor the warranties, they're only for parts, not the service calls that we go out on.
A properly installed gas tube sign will need a transformer replaced every 10 years or so. Total cost, $250 including labor. From what I'm seeing with LEDs right now, you have to replace the entire system every 10 years, total cost, about $750.
These numbers are based on one set of raceway mounted channel letters, with serifs, 15" overall height, that read "FOO"
LEDs may indeed be the future. Unfortunatly, not the near future. They have a long way to go before they are ready for production.
Disclaimer: I am a sign guy. I've worked both in the office and the field. I know this shit inside and out.
No. If you can't imagine the use for more processing power and why there is the drive that perpetuates Moore's Law, perhaps you've forgotten about Gates's Law.
Real men don't need markings on their keboards. They paint their keyboards some neutral color so the quiche eaters stay away from their machines.
My car gets 27 hectares to one liter of kerosene!
The problem isn't RFID, or red light cameras, or government agencies using computers.
The problem is the laws. Speeding is something that 90% of the population does and yet it is illegal. Even the lawmakers break this law. Red lights are often timed in the most stupid ways with sensors that don't often work. There are a few in my town that I end up running on a regular basis. And what exactly IS the issue with parking the "wrong" way on a two way street? It's not like two cars can get by at the same time anyway so people are going slow and expecting cars to come out of anywhere and everywhere(sometimes you have to duck down the left hand side to let someone else thru on my street). Are all of these crimes because they're dangerous, or are these crimes because "there should be a law against that"?
Parking meters and tolls are self-perpetuating situations. It costs too much to remove the toll booths so we have to keep charging tolls. Adding the amount in toll profit/meter profit to the gas tax or the income tax would make alot more sense and also lead to a more efficient government. Instead of paying tollners and meter maids these people can become productive members of society.
(something important seems to be missing from your ... like the body or the subject!)
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I hear you there. I got promoted from tech to management. Is that respect or disrespect?
Wait a minute.
You're saying that the only way people know that people don't type in every web address is because of pages that show the referring url? Or are you saying that bots look for urls that are on a page and try and post into forms on that page?
Or are you saying that referring is evil in and of itself and search engines should be banned?
Yes, because security thru obsucrity is always the way to go. Let's not fix the real problem here, but let's hide the goddamn information so that only the really l33t spammers can figure it out.
While we're at it, let's not post bugs either. Someone might exploit bugs in software to their advantage.
I know I'm coming in late on this, but hey, it's an idea that's been kicking about in my head for quite some time
You have a SLA battery bank, ok, 1.2v between each of the cells. Your charging mechanism puts out 24 volts, so you have 20 SLA cells in series.
Follow me so far?
You need 6v, 9v, 4v, and 12v.
For 6v you tap off of 5 of the cells
for 9v you tap off of . . . hrmm, 8 cells gives you 9.6, so you waste some current there or overvolt the eq.
4 volts much the same. Except you can choose to run at 3.6 instead..
12 volts needs 10 cells.
It's the same principal as a multi-tap transformer. You just have to watch the grounds(if any) because you have a maximum potential of 24 volts.
IANAEE, IHNTTB4(I am not an electrical engineer, I have not tried this before)
On the plus side, if the power goes out, your system still works.
I might need to do that. I broke the tip on the pliers of my super tool. That was 4 years ago.
Yes, but the problem is then you have to do without your Leatherman for two weeks. Two weeks with a broken tool is better than two weeks with no tool!
Here, let me show you, since you haven't read the article that you posted:
There were 1.8 million persons who were marginally attached to the labor force in January, about unchanged from a year earlier. (Data are not seasonally adjusted.) These individuals wanted and were available to work and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed, however, because they did not actively search for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. The number of discouraged workers, at 515,000 in January, was slightly higher than a year earlier. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, were not currently looking for work specfically because they believed no jobs were available for them. The other 1.3 million marginally attached had not searched for work for reasons such as school or family responsibilities.
I believe when they say "Looking for work" they mean "sending out resumes/applications". At least that's what they told me when I was on unemployment in PA. Anyone who's been unemployed for longer than 2 weeks knows that you can't just go out and "find a job" like people suggest. Jobs that pay any sort of living wage are few and far between. And if you're in IT, good luck finding something remotely in your field.
I think I ran the numbers once before and figured out if you doubled the salary of orange pickers the price of an orange might go up 2 cents. The rest of the cost is markup, transportation, equipment, and land.
Coal is much dirtier. There has been more radioactivity released into the atmosphere from coal than all nuclear disasters combined. People think coal is all carbon and sulpher. They need to think again.
Capital response, indeed. I commend you for sticking to the issue at hand and forming an intelligent reply. Now I'll reply to the message completely out of order.
Yes, people who think that double negatives are in some way illogical are very irritating.
I don't think they're not logical in the least! Double negatives are not always an ungood thing. People just need to learn to not use them when they don't mean to.
good reasons to speak standard English sometimes, but this doesn't mean it's OK to sneer at people who speak other varieties for being stupid or uneducated or whatever. This kind of predjudice shouldn't be more acceptable than any other kind.
I think "predjudice" is a word that is shifting in meaning and leaving a hole in the language as it does. How else does one describe their default feelings towards something? Predjudice is not always a bad thing.
I reserve the right to be predjudiced against anyone who has to repeat their point 3 times for me to understand it. I further reserve the right to be predjudiced towards people with plesant attitudes.
The standard response of, "well that's just how the world works, if you don't speak standard English you must be an idiot"
That's not the case, but I think some people harbor inner feelings like that(many the same people who think that "predjudice" is a bad word). If you don't speak standard English, don't be upset when you have to rephrase things. Language does evolve, and what's nonstandard today becomes tommorow's standard.
People usually have plenty of other ways to prove their stupidity to me. Some of them even speak perfect English!
On the topic of Dialect
It is of course non-standard (insofar as there is a definition of standard English), but there's no reason to use terms like "improper" or "incorrect". Other dialects are not in any way inferior.
I never said the word "improper" as far as dialect was concerned. I merely stated "Dialect cannot be considered proper english". Perhaps I should have said "Dialect cannot be considered Proper English. I also did not favor one dialect over another, hence the word "other" in your reply leaves some question, as in "other than which".
On the difference between dialect, slang, and bad English
These are political issues. Your distinction between a dialect and "bad" language has no linguistic basis. It's just snobbery.
Perhaps if the world were perfect your statement would be correct. I just want to know what dialect "You want no come in?" would fall under. I think that people, even linguists, recognize that some people fail to speak the language with any sort of pattern that can be seen in others, or even charted at all. I would consider such English bad, or broken.
Slang has and always will be the common tongue of the lower class. That is its definition. Once a word is picked up by the upper class it is no longer slang. Again, the language evolves. Note that "lower class" does not always mean poor. Many criminals are lower class yet have quite a bit of money. Class is in how one presents themself.
. . . serves to uphold a system of linguistic snobbery which is completely unjustifiable. We could teach schoolchildren standard English without making them feel inferior for speaking their own variety.
When I'm up in a crane and radioing the operator, I want to be able to communicate effectively with him or her with ease. When I'm explaining an electrical circut to someone, or where holes need to be dug or concrete needs to be poured, I don't want there to be a barrier of "not being made inferior" between us. You cannot communicate with people you do not speak the language of. Language is more than an identity of who someone is. Language is a tool that betters humanity. Because of that, children need to be taught Standard English.
There's a difference between accent and dialect, first of all, and I don't think you understand them.
Accent is a drift in the pronunciation.
Dialect tends to bend the meanings of words.
Dialect cannot be considered proper english due to the fact that it isn't widespread(usu. local) and confusion is likely to exist due to conflicting meanings. If I'd told you to "Rush the growler" would you have any idea what I was talking about?
Would you
Pet the dog?
Fill the pail with beer?
Get a sandwich?
Yes, the answer is fully accessable on Google. But do you have google at your fingertips at every conversation? Would you even think to look at google if someone had posed that to you in an email?
Also note that dialect is first a regional thing, secondly a class thing. It isn't an all-encompassing concept; not everything that doesn't fall into standard english is a dialect, there's also the concepts of "slang" and "bad".
Why do I get the feeling that you're speaking of people who refuse to understand "bad" english and take it as what it means rather than what you think it means (the phrase "don't need no" comes to mind), rather than what the OP was saying.
BTW, I found the OP's message a bit cumbersome. I think I grokked it after reading it several times.
I actually do something very similar. I email the following accounts:
abuse, admin, customerservice, help, helpdesk, sales, service, support, tech, techsupport, and root.
I figure one of those has to be checked by someone who cares.
Ohh, and I forward the entire message.
No, but how about this:
My trucks belong to me. If you want to work for me, you'll drive them where I tell you to. I don't mind if you get a pack of cigarettes when you stop for fuel in the morning, or if you grab lunch somewhere reasonable on the way to the afternoon job.
But don't let me catch you sleeping on the side of the road somewhere, or hanging out at a buddy's house at the end of the day to waste the last half hour. You'll come back to the shop, and load up for tomorrow's work. Do you understand?
We'll work together as long as it's profitable. You need to go out and do the jobs, I need to set them up. How would you feel if I decided to not get any sales, and tomorrow you didn't have a job? Well, that's what it's like when you go and goof off on me. I can't pay people to not make me money. If I don't make money, I can't pay you.
It's called RESPONSIBILITY.
Aren't there more black-box ways of determining whether I've done my job without gathering exraneous information that invades my privacy? I see problems with the Big Brother approach as not dealing with root cause.
How better to figure out where someone is at a given time than a GPS unit that phones home? What other black-box solution do you suggest? Alot of them are already carrying the hardware needed to impliment this(nextel phones do it for one).
Invades YOUR privacy? How about protecting the owner of the company's assets?
Instead of enacting policy that cripples everyone else
How does a black box in a truck, or a cellphone that you carry anyway cripple anyone? Or did I just get trolled
Email me and we'll talk. I'm always looking for legacy hardware.