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Best Leatherman-Style Multitool?

An anonymous reader asks: "I'm in the market for a Leatherman style multitool, but some new players have come to the table in the past few years, and I've heard a couple of anecdotes that Leatherman might have been eclipsed. So, I'm asking Slashdot for lots of anecdotes; what are your experiences with your multitool? What's the best one you've seen or used? Have you ever broken one? Do the tools wiggle around after a lot of use? Those are some general questions, but there are two specific ones. First, does the knife blade lock? The quickest way to hurt fingers is using a folding knife when a fixed blade is the right tool, but you can't carry a fixed blade knife into many places. The second question is, how long is the main knife blade? You can't carry a folding knife with tool long of a blade, either (unfortunately). Thanks for any and all help!"

200 comments

  1. Leatherman by GlL · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have the leatherman Pulse. It comes with a locking mechanism that holds a fully extended tool in place. I have had it for a year so far and the tools aren't loose.

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    1. Re:Leatherman by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      I have a Leatherman PST-something. It has locking tools. It takes a bit to snap them out of the lock and close them.

      The body folds open and you select the tool of choice. For most of the tools you can close it back up with the tool extended so they don't snap shut on you and cause oh-so-painful hurting.

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    2. Re:Leatherman by xanderwilson · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll second that. Two years, same experience. Locking blade makes it safer and as far as I remember it's identical to my previous plain-old Leatherman.

      Got to REI or some other sports store and try out all the brands you can find. Different strokes and all of that.

      Alex.

    3. Re:Leatherman by Gontrand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've got an original Leatherman PST, bought in an army surplus about 15 years ago... Long before multi-tools were in vogue like they are now. I can't believe the multitude of models they have these days. All those fancy names... Funny how they manage to make anything "marketable" nowadays... After all, a multi-tool is a pair of foldable pliers with a couple of blades and a screwdriver! And what's with all those colored handles? No marketing fuss needed! Give me plain old MILSPEC stainless steel!!!

    4. Re:Leatherman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh huh he said "tool"

    5. Re:Leatherman by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

      As a non North American, your post reads as hilariously suggestive. I love it. Leatherman Pulse "fully extended tool" Oh man. And your tool isn't loose? God bless whoever makes this multifunctional tool.

  2. Gerber? by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've heard good things about Gerber Multi-tools. A friend of mine has one.

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    1. Re:Gerber? by orangesquid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes---they're very durable. I have a multi-plier that I got secondhand. Pretty easy to use, nice little belt-loop carrying case, does a zillion things, and the metal hasn't worn down at all.

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    2. Re:Gerber? by chicken_moo · · Score: 1

      Gerber is an excellent alternative to Leatherman. Very similar features, plus the pliers slide out, rather than having to flip the handles around like the Leatherman tools.

    3. Re:Gerber? by HTMLSpinnr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've carried the same Gerber (MultiPlier 600 Pro Scout Needle nose) on my belt for over 5 years now. In it's life, I've managed to snap a portion of the smallest screwdriver, and nick the wire cutter blade on the pliars to the point where it doesn't open freely. The belt case is worn, the velcro is disintegrating and the case is wearing a hole through the bottom. The inside is coming apart.

      However, I still use it almost daily, and only remove it where it's not allowed (theme parks, flights, etc.).

      I considered sending it in for repair, but the "warranty" stipulations require a proof of purchase, which I never had as it was a gift. I'm sure a Dremel w/ a file tip could repair the cutter to a usable state, and the small screwdriver still works okay, albeit a bit crooked and jagged.

      Will it stand up to anything? No. But do they last? I'd say so.

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    4. Re:Gerber? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've had my Gerber Multi-Plier for about 8 years now. Very happy with it; I did manage to break the tip off the serrated knife blade. Mine's old enough that the blades/tools don't lock, but newer models do. The one-handed plier-opening thing (you sort of flick your wrist and the pliers mechanism slides out the the handle) is very handy, you can be holding something with one hand and draw, deploy, and use the pliers with the other.

      When I get some money to play with later this year, I'll probably by a new upgraded Gerber amd keep the old one in the car.

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    5. Re:Gerber? by jbrader · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gerber is a great company and I've liked every knife I've bought from them (and it's been several). So when I was in the Navy I decided to buy one of thier multitoolts rather than a leatherman and the salt air started rusting it within a few days. This happened to all the other sailors I knew that had other models also.

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    6. Re:Gerber? by pqdave · · Score: 1

      Gerber is of variable quality. I've 2 of the smallest/cheapest Gerbers (Scissors, no file, single knife blade), and I'm happy with them. Somewhere I've got an old bigger one with non-locking bits, a file and 2 knife blades (and an added glass cutter for the job I had at the time) and although I'd rather it locked, it's quality was good. However my experience with the bigger, more tools and more expensive Gerbers hasn't been as good. The file on those is about a half step up from a fingernail file and the phillips bit is brittle and weak--These can be ID'd by the shaft being an X cross section rather than solid square.

    7. Re:Gerber? by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1

      When you say "other models", do you mean other models of Gerber knives/tools, or do you mean other brands of multi-tools from Leatherman(TM), etc.?

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    8. Re:Gerber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only remove it where it's not allowed (theme parks, flights, etc.).

      Theme parks? You can't bring pliers into a theme park? Did some congresscritter pass a new law when I wasn't watching?

    9. Re:Gerber? by jbrader · · Score: 1

      other gerber tools

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    10. Re:Gerber? by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 1

      Yep, have to agree with the Gerber. I carried one for 6 years with the Fire Department. The biggest advantage is that you can open it with one hand by just snapping it out. Very durable whether cutting a rope or a car battery cable.

    11. Re:Gerber? by HTMLSpinnr · · Score: 1

      Knife blades are considered a weapon at just about any length now-a-days. I've gotten through a couple times, but if they see it on your belt, they make you ditch it.

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    12. Re:Gerber? by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      This is entirely to be expected. If you plan to use a tool at sea, then you need one designed for marine use.

      All these tools will be made out of Carbon Steel, which is the best material to make tools out of. A marine tool will use stainless instead, making it less good a tool but corrosion resistant.

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    13. Re:Gerber? by jbrader · · Score: 1

      If you look closely you'l notice gerber tools (those ones anyway) are marked stainless.

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  3. Squirt and Juice by lathama · · Score: 3, Informative

    Both the Leatherman Squirt and Juice are great. I would suggest testing the phillips driver on any multitool first as some are different. The Squirt has a flat phillips that actually works, a little strange but it does work. I also keep a Gerber multitool in the back pack. The Gerber is nice and locks closed or open. I don't care for the size but the pliers are a little better because you can spread apart things that the leatherman can't. Overall I would say that with the low prices on most multitools it is worth while to have multiple of them, one in the truck, one in the apparment, etc....

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    1. Re:Squirt and Juice by LazyBoy · · Score: 1
      I carry the Juice C2. Large enough to have real pliers, small enough to fit in the watch pocket of my jeans. No locking blade though.

      Great if you don't want to wear your multitool on your belt.

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    2. Re:Squirt and Juice by tonsofpcs · · Score: 1

      The Squirt EL [RadioShack -- $40] is very nice and pocket sized, the difference between it and the normal Squirt is that it has plyer/wire-strippers/cutters in the normal plyer -OR- cutter spot.

  4. Cybertool 41 by Shadow_139 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Best version and about half the price is the Victorinox Cybertool 41

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/3653/

    Plus it take full size Hex/Torx heads... And good and solidly mad with lifetime warranty.

    Or if you want one to beat a users head-in for disturbing your /. reading, try the Victorinox Swiss Champ XLT

    http://www.swissknifeshop.co.uk/swisschampxlt.html /
    1. Re:Cybertool 41 by Jaeger · · Score: 1
      I second that. I've had one for three years and I love it.

      I still need to get tamper-resistant Torx bits for it, though. :)

    2. Re:Cybertool 41 by phil+reed · · Score: 1

      I just replaced my Leatherman PST2 (owned about 5 years) with a Victorinox Swisstool CX Plus. Definite improvement.

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  5. Leatherman vs Gerber by Bourbon+Man · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had a Leatherman for several years and somehow lost it. Shortly afterwards I was in a situation where I needed a multitool *now* and the only one I could find on short notice was a Gerber. I like the Gerber better, mainly because the blades are on the inside of the fold, and that makes the grip more comfortable. The saw blade is nothing more than a standard jigsaw blade, thus you can change it out with any jigsaw blade from any hardware store for any purpose you need it for. The knife blade is a nice combination of smooth and serrated for fine cutting or box ripping, and it has all the quality of Gerber's famous line of knives.

    1. Re:Leatherman vs Gerber by ub3r · · Score: 2, Informative

      I second the gerber recomendation for the same reasons above. However i think that it is up to you to shop around and check out the ones you like, play with them a little before you decide which one to buy. I have been using gerber knifes for years and stand by them.

    2. Re:Leatherman vs Gerber by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can second the Gerber recomendation.

      My favorite feature is the one-handed opening. Basicly, you flick your wrist and the pliers drop out.

      As for the blades inside, the serrated knife is my fave. In my cable plant, people were incredulous that I could go through 200-pair cable with a Gerber. Furthermore, I added that I could do it faster than the actual ratcheting cutter designed to go through 200-pair cable. I picked up the cable (about 4" thick) and started sawing. Took less than 30 seconds to go through.

      A soft touch on the pliers will act as the best wire stripper ever.

      The flat-bladed knife cuts through the shielding on fiber-optic cable with ease.

      The best thing of all is that the tool can be completely disassembled in about 10 minutes and everything but the springs can go into the dishwasher. Add a bit of WD-40 when you put it back together and the damn thing looks and works better than new.

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    3. Re:Leatherman vs Gerber by Murphy+Murph · · Score: 1

      What I like about the Gerber line over the Leatherman line is the pliers. Gerber's "flick-out" pliers can be used to apply spreading force as well as squeezing force. Leatherman's "unfolding" style pliers can only be used to apply squeezing force.

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    4. Re:Leatherman vs Gerber by Domini · · Score: 1

      The Victorynox also has the blades on the inside... but the one I have is too heavy. Like Swiss tools better than American... less hype.

      But that said, the Leatherman Micra and wave are pretty cool.

      But then again, the most important purpose for a tool in my country is for self-defence.... does that count?

      So I carry a 'Cold Steel' Vaquero (medium size). I needed something with a silver blade and looks mean (for law purposes)

    5. Re:Leatherman vs Gerber by Rolan · · Score: 1

      Some leatherman knives have their blades on the inside as well. The leatherman clip I carry does.

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  6. Leatherman Wave by Vertigo01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work as a professional theatre technician. My multi-tool is my life, literally, and it gets used and abused on a daily basis.

    I've had a Leatherman Wave since they first came out (I was told by the guy at the store that I was the first person to buy one) and have NEVER had a problem with it. It's not super-heavy-duty. You can't use the knife-blade as a chisel. You can't exert > 40 or 50 lbs of torque pressure on the tool. Having said that, if you need a specialized tool, then you need a specialized tool. Don't try and do it with a multi-tool.

    The wave get's my vote, hands down.

    1. Re:Leatherman Wave by Door-opening+Fascist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Send it in for repairs. They've got a 25-year warranty that should cover that kind of damage.

    2. Re:Leatherman Wave by n1ywb · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I love my Leatherman Wave. I use it on a near daily basis. I can really crank on the pliars without gouging my hands. It's very good for stripping wire, which I do a lot. And it will cut pretty heavy guage steel wire, I've even cut through barbed wire with it (don't ask). I hate flying because I can't carry it on. Living in Vermont I've seen a lot of different multitools, and the Wave is still my first choice.

      I did break it once, but I was absolutely abusing it. I grabbed something with the tips of the pliars and tried to twist it, and neatly snapped one of the tines off. I sent it in to Leatherman and they send me a brandy new one a week later, which they really didn't have to do since the only way to break it like that is through foolishness. Actually the new one is slightly improved from my older model of Wave, better detents on the blades and pliars. I noticed it wasn't made in the USA though, which I was slightly disappointed about, but I suppose it's hard to profitably make anything in the USA anymore. Or maybe it's only the replacements that aren't made the USA, that could be.

      But the bottom line is that the wave kicks ass and is the best by far, IMO.

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    3. Re:Leatherman Wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's great, maybe you can use it to carve away the extra apostrophe that worked its way into "gets" up there.

    4. Re:Leatherman Wave by jerde · · Score: 1

      I buy myself a new Leatherman Wave every year or two. It's my present to myself. The joy of having a brand-new one more than justifies the cost.

      Truly a day does not go by that I don't draw my leatherman for something. I'm hard enough on them that I do gradually wear them out in some way or another. I keep the old ones around, though, and more than once I've been grateful to fall back on an old one when I temporarily misplace my current one.

      I'm definitely less of a man without my Wave. :)

      - Peter

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    5. Re:Leatherman Wave by The+FooMiester · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the problem is then you have to do without your Leatherman for two weeks. Two weeks with a broken tool is better than two weeks with no tool!

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    6. Re:Leatherman Wave by Baldrash · · Score: 1

      I got the newest model of the Wave as a Christmas gift. After a couple months of almost daily use, I have to say it's a beautiful thing. It basically precludes any need for me to bring regular tools to college.

      All the blades are on the inside of the handle when the pliers are out, so you don't have anything poking you in the hand. Everything opens and closes incredibly smoothly, as well. The range of stuff included on it is definitely sufficient for basic utility work, and it's tough enough to stand up to rough use. And you can buy extra bits if you need a size that isn't covered by the ones included.

      Definitely gets my mark of approval.

    7. Re:Leatherman Wave by Jethro · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. I got my brother a Wave for his borthday a few years ago, and got jealous enough to get one for myself a week later (;

      Barb-wire? That's easy. I vut through one of those computer-lock-cable-thinggies. We were at a trade-show and someone lost the key...

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    8. Re:Leatherman Wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use my Leatherman Wave almost every single day. I haven't compared it to other brands because I've never needed to. Mine was given to me as a birthday present over four years ago, and has always been reliable. I have a larger toolkit that I can use for specialized tasks, but for everyday tinkering, the Wave is usually all I ever need.

    9. Re:Leatherman Wave by Door-opening+Fascist · · Score: 1

      I keep a spare around for just that reason. It's kind of pricey, but worth it.

    10. Re:Leatherman Wave by The+FooMiester · · Score: 1

      I might need to do that. I broke the tip on the pliers of my super tool. That was 4 years ago.

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    11. Re:Leatherman Wave by plover · · Score: 1
      Agreed. I broke the tip off my Wave's pliers under similar circumstances, but the piece I was twisting was a rubber shock cord down a small hole in a tent pole. I didn't think that pinching rubber counted as abuse.

      The only problem I had with getting service was trying to find a week where I could live without it. I ended up delaying it so long that at Christmas my wife just bought me a second tool. They repaired/replaced my old tool within a week. Now I have a backup that I keep in my truck.

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  7. Leatherman Wave by yyttrrre · · Score: 1

    I thought the leatherman wave was a neat tool, until I managed to break the tip off of one side of the plyers. I've worn out a few pairs of swiss army knives, they get loose and start opening up in your pocket. Guess im not much of a fan of multi-tools. They usually wind up breaking.

  8. SOG PowerLock by Skorgu · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was looking at leatherman-type tools last year and came to the conclusion that the SOG PowerLock (S60) is the one to get. Its not quite as ergonomic as the new Leatherman Waves but its insanely tough. All the tools lock and the main pliars have a nifty gear reduction on them that makes hanging onto things much easier. Mine cost about $60 and hasn't left my belt since.

    1. Re:SOG PowerLock by Raleel · · Score: 1

      funny, my experience was the opposite. I snapped the philips head off my SOG.

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    2. Re:SOG PowerLock by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. I've used Gerber, Victorinox, SOG, and Leatherman tools, but SOG is the one I have come back to. I purchased one of their multitools years and years ago, and it has lasted forever. I finally stopped carrying it and bought a new one because the really old ones did not have locking blades, a feature I really wanted, for obvious reasons. Aside from being sturdy and well, made, the SOG multitools provide a slight mechanical advantage to the pliers through some robust gearing. They also have swappable blades, with a variety of SOG and third party packages. I was originally turned on to these tools by some Explosives Ordinance Disposal guys (back in day), who loved the blasting cap crimper, and tamping tool options. I was also intrigued to discover a set of lockpicks available for it. I wholly recommend SOG multitools as a great, customizable, unkillable multi-purpose tool.

  9. Know your knife laws by eengstro · · Score: 5, Informative

    Make sure you know the knife laws for your locality. You might not think of a Leatherman as a weapon, but the local police may disagree--especially around schools and colleges. Here are some useful links:
    http://www.thehighroad.org/library/blades/knifelaw s.html
    http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm

    California-specific laws:
    http://www.equalccw.com/knifelaw.html

    Always keep in mind that info on the Internet may be wrong or out of date, so take with appropriate seasonings.

    Eric

    1. Re:Know your knife laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      know your stars
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      eengstro likes to eat raw seal eggs

      know your stars
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    2. Re:Know your knife laws by RedLeg · · Score: 1

      Someone mod parent up....

      Seriously, if you travel via air, none of these work. If you travel, you are going to have to pack everything tool-wise, since nothing is allowed in your pockets anymore. Given that, Jensen is your friend.... That being said, there's nothing wrong with Craftsman. Visit your local Sears, and assemble a small kit. Consider including a 1/4" ratchet, sockets, and some pliers. I'd recommend a small set of vice-grip needlenose, a set of straight and curved needlenose w/ wirecutters, and a small set of snap ring pliers. A versatile bit-driver and a set of bits (flat, crosstip, hex, torx, security....) rounds it out. Not much you CAN'T work on give this, and it will all fit in a shaving kit.

      For the nit-pickers, yes, I know that the TSA list specifics on exactly what is and is not allowed. Having printed the list out in preparation, and shown it to the agent at security, I still lost. My recommendation: give money to the EFF and don't piss on superman's cape in the mean time. John Gilmore is my hero.

      No links to the above, other than Pseudo-Google.

    3. Re:Know your knife laws by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      I would think that the knife laws do not apply to workers. After all, do you see the police arresting chefs or rading Wal-Mart?

      No! The law was intended to apply as a secondary charge in cases where a criminal was being detained. "I'm gonna pat you down now. Will I find anything?" Boom, a knife. Automatic 24-hours in jail while they investigate other charges.

      Kind of an "Atlas Shrugged" situation where they know you are acting in an illegal manner...It's what they want and need.

      If a cop overlooks an obvious infraction of the law in one case and tries to enforce it in another, your lawyer could (pardon the pun) cut him to shreds.

      In addition to that, the Constitution gives you the right to bear arms. Knives are arms. As long as it's being worn on the holster on your belt, it's not concealed.

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    4. Re:Know your knife laws by peter+hoffman · · Score: 1

      Wow, some states are nuts! Gun control is bad enough but "knife control"? I'm just glad I live in SC where you can apparently carry any knife, any way you like, the way a free citizen should be able.

      It reminds me of a camping trip my friends and I took while teenagers in the early 1970s. We went for a walk at about 2:00 a.m. and eventually found ourselves on a two lane highway. After a while a sheriff's patrol drove by and stopped us. We were all carrying at least 12" sheath knives plus pocket knives (hey, what's a boy without a good knife?) - one was a switchblade (a US Air Force survival knife). The cop just looked us and our knives over and then let us go on.

      The 70s were good compared to today when carrying a lighter onto an airplane is going to be a crime in a few weeks.

      The War on Drugs (aka "Prohibition II") "cut the balls off" this country and the War on Terror is going kill it. The people responsible aren't the GOP or the Dems, they are the "GOPDems", thus named because they are the two faces of the same group of people.

    5. Re:Know your knife laws by WoodenRobot · · Score: 1
      The 70s were good compared to today when carrying a lighter onto an airplane is going to be a crime in a few weeks.

      It's interesting that knives and lighters are both banned on planes, but buying a big bottle of wine or spirits in the duty-free shops and then taking it onto the plane in your hand-luggage is completely fine.

      A broken bottle (and one full of alcohol too) makes an excellent weapon. Something like high strength vodka could be used to make a rudimentary Molotov cocktail - although maybe not if lighters are banned. Of course they'll never ban bottles on planes. Not for safety reasons, of course, but because the drinks industry would go ape.

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    6. Re:Know your knife laws by hughk · · Score: 1
      Good point about air-travel. I used to always carry a Swiss-Army knife with me (more compact), but can't unless I'm checking now.

      OTOH, ThinkGeek has this little toy. I guess that will get through most security checks on a bunch of keys.

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    7. Re:Know your knife laws by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Who needs a lighter?

      Most Planes have local power sockets for passengers.

      Get a power adaptor for your laptop for the plane. If your careful you can strip out a small section of the power cord for each conductor. Wrap in tape. plug in the adaptor, and bring the two striped sections together near your molotov wick. Spark'em baby.

      You don' need fire, you need creative thought.

      In the words of my Generation MacGyver it.

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    8. Re:Know your knife laws by peter+hoffman · · Score: 1

      Exactly! And when one realizes how ridiculous the claimed reason for such a ban is, one has to wonder what the real reason is. It quickly becomes apparent the only possible reason is to tighten the screws on the population and get them more conditioned to unquestioningly doing what they are told by the government.

      In the next election we need to vote against every single incumbent in every office, regardless of how good we think they may be (everyone always thinks the problem lies with the other guy's candidate). Next time a message has to be sent that no elected official can assume re-election when the government is on the course it is on.

    9. Re:Know your knife laws by GeckoX · · Score: 1

      Don't know how the laws are where you're from, but in Canada the laws surround concealment of a weapon.

      You're more than welcome to play Crocodile Dundee, as long as the knife and sheath are in plain sight. Hide it however and it's a concealed weapon which is very much illegal.

      Oh, and butterfly and switchblade knives are always illegal, concealed or not.

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    10. Re:Know your knife laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I guess that will get through most security checks on a bunch of keys.

      Maybe with a brand-new minimum-wage TSA goon. Anyone who's been trained for more than an hour can spot a key-knife. I rather don't recommend trying to "sneak" it or anything else through.

    11. Re:Know your knife laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Of course they'll never ban bottles on planes. Not for safety reasons, of course, but because the drinks industry would go ape.

      Your attempt to make a molotov cocktail with a miniature plastic bottle of absolut would be ... amusing. Well, I'd still tackle your ass, but amusing in retrospect. They don't serve bacardi 151 on planes, so I don't think you're going to find much that's flammable. Besides, that stuff burns so cool, it won't burn even slightly damp skin.

    12. Re:Know your knife laws by WoodenRobot · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I was thinking of the larger, glass bottles which are usually found for sale in the airport's shopping area, but I suppose for the terrorist with a budget, those little bottles would have to do. Perfume might actually be a much better idea, having a greater percentage of alcohol in it.

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    13. Re:Know your knife laws by harrkev · · Score: 1
      Oh, and butterfly and switchblade knives are always illegal, concealed or not.

      <sarcasm>
      Makes sense. Wounds from butterfly knives always bleed more.
      </sarcasm>

      That type of law makes absolutely no sense at all. In the right hands, a kitchen knife is just as dangerous as a switchblade. If somebody asked me if I would prefer to be cut by a 4" fixed-blade knife, or a 4" butterfly knife, I would ask "what difference would that make to me?"
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    14. Re:Know your knife laws by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 1

      This is a great series of links. Does anyone have ones for International law? I'd love to carry my Leatherman around Sweden this year, but after Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh was stabbed in that department store a few years back, I don't know how paranoid they are.

    15. Re:Know your knife laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's interesting that knives and lighters are both banned on planes, but buying a big bottle of wine or spirits in the duty-free shops and then taking it onto the plane in your hand-luggage is completely fine.

      These objects are banned to make the flying public feel safer. I seen no other reason for the ban.

    16. Re:Know your knife laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Swedish and I can confirm that it is illegal to carry knife or other dangerous weapons in public. The exception is of course if you use the knife in your work. This said, you can probably safely carry your knife without being harrassed as long as you don't act threatening.

      Anna Lindh was stabbed September 10th and died from the wounds on September 11th 2003.

    17. Re:Know your knife laws by greenhide · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on. You throw a set of keys and your wallet and your coat in a tray, you really think the guy behind the monitor is examining each and every set of keys that rolls by?

      In truth, airport security is a joke. I've taken carryon bags with penknifes in them (not on purpose; just forgot that I hadn't moved it to my checked baggage) and on September 14th (yes, just after the big September 11th) I flew back with *explosives* in my bag (just fireworks really, but none-the-less). They were in a paper bag inside my backpack and despite the fact that I was one of those lucky few who was taken aside and had my bag "searched", they totally missed them. Keep in mind in both cases these were accidentally in my luggage; I'm no terrorist.

      Airport security is there for one reason only. To make people who are chickenshit less scared about getting on a plane because they think that preventing "weapons" (such as the file in a nail clipper) from getting on a plane is how you make a plane safe. The truth is, people are smarter now about what to do when someone tries to start something on a plane. If I got on the plane with an Uzi hidden down the side of my leg, I still wouldn't make it to the cockpit no matter what.

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    18. Re:Know your knife laws by el_gordo101 · · Score: 1

      Or, use matches (which are still legal). But hey, is you want to hack up the power source, go for it...

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    19. Re:Know your knife laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it looks so damned scary when they open em! Dont you know thats what makes knives dangerous? For the children!

    20. Re:Know your knife laws by 6th+time+lucky · · Score: 1

      ok you have the spark, but that bottle of vodka is no use to you. You need around 75% alcohol (151 proof) to actually burn, and that sort of *flammable liquid* is just as banned as a lighter.

      Note to others, do *not* try to drink Bacardi 151 proof straight up.

    21. Re:Know your knife laws by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      I don't take tools with me when I travel by plane any more. Instead, at each office I work in, I go out and buy a few cheap, basic tools - a Stanley Knife (what do americans call these? Box cutter?), a couple of screwdrivers, pair of pliers etc.

      I put em in a cardboard box and hide them in the server room. Cheap and nasty but they'll open a PC or a packing case, or strip a wire.

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    22. Re:Know your knife laws by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      A quick google (disclaimer: GINAL) suggests carry of folders is allowed if you have a good reason and are discrete; automatics are banned; customs can take anything they decide is "dangerous" from you as you enter.

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    23. Re:Know your knife laws by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      I have one of those, it is pretty nice.

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    24. Re:Know your knife laws by hughk · · Score: 1

      Does it really look like a key without detailed examination? I guess it would under X-rays.

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    25. Re:Know your knife laws by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you have a couple of keys and put in the middle, it will blend right in. It is about as long as my car key, so it is a bit longer than a dead bolt key. And an even closer look will show a screwdriver and bottle cap opener. One has to pretty much open it to realize there is also a knife blade.

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  10. Take me out to the ball game. by dauthur · · Score: 1

    The best is a Leatherman. It's as simple as that. Filled with more American classic-ness than Apple pie or hotdogs. The amount of different kind of Leathermen there are out there are ridiculous, and I'm sure you can find a high quality one for a decent price.

  11. Leatherman wave, blade length etc. by cypherz · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Leatherman Wave tool is very nice. Specs from the Leatherman web site
    http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/wave-(200 4)/default.asp

    Length: 4 in. / 10 cm closed -- 6.3 in / 16 cm open
    Weight: 8.5 ounces / 264 grams
    Materials: 100% stainless steel (Optimum grade hardness for each tool/blade)

    There are two blades, one serrated and one plain. The blade length isn't described, so I measured my Wave. The length of each blade is approximately 3 inches. The sharpened portion of both blades is 2.5 inches.

    I've had mine for a while, so far it had been a wonderful tool. Each tool/blade locks open, making it fairly safe to use. My Wave tool rides in the knife pocket of my Maxpedition Versipack
    http://www.maxpedition.com/product/product_vp_fatb oy_s.htm

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    1. Re:Leatherman wave, blade length etc. by Zackbass · · Score: 1

      I've found the Wave to be by far the best tool of them all, and I've tried a good selction of multitools (10+).

      The most important things about it are:
      It's small enough to carry in dress the pockets of pants or work pants along with the wallet and cell phone
      All the blade tools are easily accessible from the outside
      It's got normal and serrated blades that lock and a wood saw
      Very solid and ergonomic construction (the plier handles are rounded and don't pinch)
      Doesn't take as long as others to break in

      It is the tool to have when you can only have one tool (except for a toolroom lathe, but you usually don't have one when you need it :P).

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    2. Re:Leatherman wave, blade length etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went through a period where I did a lot of box ripping with my Wave. And the serrated blade is still sharp. It's a winner.

    3. Re:Leatherman wave, blade length etc. by Dausha · · Score: 1

      "Length: 4 in. / 10 cm closed -- 6.3 in / 16 cm open"

      . . . that's not a knife. This is a knife . . . .

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    4. Re:Leatherman wave, blade length etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Length: 4 in. / 10 cm closed -- 6.3 in / 16 cm open"

      . . . that's not a knife. This is a knife . . . .


      Mind you, there are only three uses where long blade is better than short: skinning dead animals, cutting meat, and being a macho idiot.

      In all other uses shorter is better.

    5. Re:Leatherman wave, blade length etc. by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      http://www.maxpedition.com/product/versipack/0408_ fatboy_stype/0408g_03.jpg

      that is one seriously dorky looking bag.

    6. Re:Leatherman wave, blade length etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Increase your kn1fe lengih n0w!

      Guarenteed 12 inch3s in just 1 month.

  12. Homeland Security by gavinjolly · · Score: 0, Troll

    Please stay where you are sir. As have requested information on a knife that could possible be concealed and thus, used inappropriately, we feel you are a threat to the National Security of the good old USA (The land of the free).

    We have tracked you to your PC and thus to your address. Once again, please stay inside your mothers basement as 4 agents from Homeland Security have been dispached.

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  13. Victorinox by Scarabaeus · · Score: 1

    From the maker of the swiss army knife: SwissTool

    Very good product, better than the Leatherman.

  14. Depends on what you're doing by Clueless+Moron · · Score: 4, Informative
    I've got an old Leatherman, a Gerber, and a Toolzall Pro Electrical.

    The Gerber came with a nifty screwdriver bit collection, has a nifty one-handed opening action for the pliers, but the steel sucks: It's soft and rusts badly. I consider it an "urban survival tool", because it's good for typical city situations.

    The Leatherman is much better steel, is a bit more awkward, but you're less likely to pinch your skin when the pliers slip. This is your rural puppy. Water won't bother it so much.

    The Toolzall is designed for electrical work. Damn, but it's nice. Excellent steel, all the blades lock, superb wirestrippers, rock solid. It's all I carry for electrical work.

    Then there's knives with USB drives in them and computer case drivers, and so on, but I've never tried them. Really, you just have to figure out what you're after and look for that. Just pay attention to the steel: good steel doesn't bend like plastic.

    1. Re:Depends on what you're doing by Zackbass · · Score: 1

      I absolutely love my Toolzall Electrical, whenever I'm doing any kind of electrical work I keep it on me. I tried to find another one to give as a gift, but it seems they are now discontinued for some reason. Does anyone know of something comparable with the wire strippers and the like?

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    2. Re:Depends on what you're doing by draziw · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://froogle.google.com/ searching for "Toolzall Electrical"

      http://www.all-discount-appliances.com/item/9605 45
      Crescent Toolzall Pro Multipurpose Tool $34.99 + $2.99 for shipping. (It is with overstock.com (you can go there direct and search for toolzall and it will come up.) - I've bought from overstock before and was happy with what I got.

    3. Re:Depends on what you're doing by Zackbass · · Score: 1

      That's not the one though. The electrical version had wire sprippers which really made the tool.

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    4. Re:Depends on what you're doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Gerber came with a nifty screwdriver bit collection...but the steel sucks....The Leatherman is much better steel....

      Keep in mind that there is always a tradeoff between corrosion resistance and steel hardness. Affordable stainless steel does not make a particularly good knife blade. On the other hand it is virtually maintenance free. A carbon steel can be much harder and provide a longer lasting sharp edge but you'll have to clean it, oil it, and dry it after it gets wet. A good choice is a hardened stainless steel with a relatively high carbon content. Just don't expect to be able to prise on a knife blade (the hardening process will make it brittle) or to leave the blades moist (the carbon content will result in rust).

    5. Re:Depends on what you're doing by tsstahl · · Score: 1

      Search results: Sorry, "toolzall" returned no matches. We did find matches for "dolzall". :(

    6. Re:Depends on what you're doing by goldfndr · · Score: 1

      try "toolzall electrician" (not "electrical")

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  15. leatherman schrade by idantiva · · Score: 1

    Several years ago I used to have Schrade multi-function tool, but lost it at an RC flying field. That company seems to have been recently acquired. About a year ago I got a Leatherman Super Tool 200, which I prefer because of the more comfurtable handle design. The mechanism for unlocking blades is easy and effective. Incidentally, I've had a strong appreciation for multi-tools since boy scouts, and I find a sense of manly pride in using a good knife. Be sure you get a good sheath to show it off on your belt!

  16. Gerber Custom by DarkRyder · · Score: 1

    Regrettably, my personal favorite multitool is no longer produced (that I am aware). Gerber, for a time, produced a set of tools similar (as I recall) to their "600 series" but for which you could choose the type of head (standard pliers, needle-nose, rounded, etc.), which tool package to install in each arm, and of course the all-important finish color.

    I myself have a stylish dark blue tool with a 3-inch blade, dual-"grit" (don't know the proper term) metal file and three sizes of slot screwdrivers (one of which is a bottle opener) on one side and scissors, lanyard ring, can opener, and a phillips screwdriver (a real one, to which can be mounted and adaptor to standard 3/16" bits) on the other.

    Easily the best tool I have ever used. I've had it for a few years now and there is almost no skewing on the hinge (though I've been careful not to put much pressure on it; no cause to be careless) and the locks still work perfectly (each tool simply pulls out but locks in place, even the head). Regrettably, the finish is starting to wear in "high-use" areas, but no hint of corrosion is detectable even there.

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    1. Re:Gerber Custom by way2trivial · · Score: 1
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  17. Kershaw K-A100 by Jim+Morash · · Score: 1

    I have this tool, bought it from McMaster-Carr, item #5102A2. It has vice-grip style locking pliers - they're great to have available. Also a one-hand-openable knife blade, philips + flat screwdriver, file, saw, bottle opener. Nice solid stainless steel. It's big and heavy, though.

  18. Leatherman Charge by Spider+Man · · Score: 1

    I just got one of these for Christmas and boy is this thing handy. This is basicly the Leatherman Wave upgraded with several features. A special bit style screwdriver, Titanium alloy handle, 154CM blade metal, pocket clip, and locking mini tools.

    I haven't looked back at my Gerber or Spyderco multi-tools since.

    http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/charge-Ti /default.asp

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  19. Gerber all the way... by NRP128 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've carried Gerber blades almost exclusively for 5 years now. I have a Leatherman, one of the originals, and hate it. i *had* a Gerber Sport Multiplier but it has gone missing. Hopefully i will find it by summer when i need it most. I have a full size set to replace it if it doesn't turn up, but the sports are a little more compact, lighter, and just as robust. all the tools lock with the best locking method i've seen on any mutlitool yet, it holds the blade with no worries, yet can be disengaged even if you're wearing gloves (very important since i wear gloves quite a bit at work). the scissors on it are invaluable, they make quick use of zip ties, and the screwdrivers have bailed me out several times. If i don't find the sport by summer i may have to go buy another, the larger version is heavier and more gangly to me, plus it lacks the scissors. Mine got a daily bath and wipe down with lubricant and never jammed, it just became part of my morning routine when i got to the shop, but in a less dirty enviroment you could get away with oiling once a week.

    no matter what you end up with, they're just like any other good tool, if you want it to last you have to take care of it. not using it for a crowbar and oiling is a good start. Get a good can of high quality lubricant, youhave to watch WD-40 because it will gum up, and some of those silicon lubricants do the same. once a week just get an old rag, take the tool outside, spray it down with the oil then wipe off excess with the rag, work each tool and the pliers a few times to work the oil in and dirt out, wipe it down again, replace in sheath.

  20. Both. by Zapman · · Score: 1

    The best advice is to go to a store, and try them. The one you're more comfortable with is the safer knife. This is pretty much universal in knives, from multi-tools, to wood carving, to kitchen. If you're comfortable with it, you'll use it more, and more safely.

    That said, I've had more experience with Leatherman's products. The 'SuperTool' is nice, but the 'Wave' is greatly improved: rounded handles, blades available on the outside (one handed). Both of these offer locking blades.

    Gerber is very nice too. If you need one handed access to plyers more than anything else, then they're the clear winner (though I can one hand the leatherman butterfly knife style).

    For years, you've had a duality between gerber and leatherman, but recently some newcomers have entered. There's a new Titanium leatherman that's expensive, looks cool, and I have not had the oppertunity to handle. Vitronox (sp) (makers of swiss army knives) has a multitool out that has some good reviews as well.

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  21. Older Sideclip by GreyedOut · · Score: 1

    I have a Leatherman Sideclip which is no longer made. The pliers did break on me once, but Leatherman replaced it under warrantee without incident if I remember right.

    I would recommend getting a locking blade if possible. A blade that can move is very annoying.

    1. Re:Older Sideclip by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      I would recommend getting a locking blade if possible. A blade that can move is very annoying.


      My partially missing thumb pad and I second that. Boy did that bleed.


    2. Re:Older Sideclip by marcelmouse · · Score: 1

      mod parent up.

      hey, it's funny AND informative!

      seriously, this is the first mention I've seen of safety in a knife-devoted thread. If what you're doing is setting dip switches, clipping wire, and smoking joints, the knife is not an issue. however, if you were going to use that knife to, oh, I don't know, CUT SOMETHING, and perhaps you were intending to cut something more than once, then for all our sakes, get a locking blade!

      Sorry to hear about yr. thumb, guy. I myself have a secret hidden scar, but it's in a place that... er... well, I don't use it as often as you use your thumb.

    3. Re:Older Sideclip by hotspotbloc · · Score: 1
      The Sideclip is a great tool. When I found out they cancelled it I bought two extra (for the future). In a way it has been replaced with the Kick and optional clip. A good replacement for a great tool. I still like the simplicity of the Sideclip though. Overall the Sideclip is a great tool for the technically inclined.

      GreyedOut is right about the blade. It's almost caught me a few times. Be careful.

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  22. Multitool? Bah by Chunky+Kibbles · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Overall, I've discovered that I don't actually want, or need, a multitool.

    I have a single knife, a Kershaw Avalanche partially serrated. Overall, I find that I simply don't want, or have a use for, all the other bits & bobs you find on a multitool.

    If you want a simple knife with a little more capability, then get a balisong [aka a butterfly knife]. Learn a couple decent opening/closing moves with it, and you can then use it for all the other things you don't normally do with a simple knife. It makes a great lever [the Spyderco Spyderfly is most of 6" long, closed], clamp/gripper [by opening it, then squeezing the handles around whatever it is, with varying leverage]...

    Gary (-;

    1. Re:Multitool? Bah by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      But does it have a ruler on it?

      Oddly, out of all the tools on my fiance's leatherman, I find him whipping it out to measure things the most often.

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    2. Re:Multitool? Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No... no, it's just too easy. I'll just let this one go.

    3. Re:Multitool? Bah by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      Amazing, I came this close to posting that exact same response to the first post in this whole discussion. I think this entire story is too easy.

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    4. Re:Multitool? Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you have any concerns about legality, don't get a butterfly knife. There are a bunch of random places where they are against the law (California springs immediately to mind), especially if you put it in your pocket (thereby making it a concealed weapon).

      The bigger the knife, generally, the more the cops will want to kneel on your back and ask awkward questions.

    5. Re:Multitool? Bah by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      Can we therefore assume that he only needs to measure things that are 4 inches or shorter?

    6. Re:Multitool? Bah by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's the nice thing about the leatherman - it unfolds to give a ruler that's a full 9" long.

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    7. Re:Multitool? Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that's the nice thing about the leatherman - it unfolds to give a ruler that's a full 9" long

      Nice of him to think of you with his tools.

  23. SeberTech M4 SeberTool by loddington · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looking for a mini keyring tool that does just about everything and has locking blades. The SeberTech M4 SeberTool is great.

    I own a couple of them and have had them for 3 years so far. The fit in your wallet or coin pocket. I buy one for each of my staff and have been known to give them to friends for christmas.

    I buy mine at Fry's http://shop4.outpost.com/product/2522351 but you can find them elsewhere.

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    1. Re:SeberTech M4 SeberTool by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      seconded. there's horses for courses: i've tried just about all the multitools out there, and if it doesn't fit on my keyring, it's not always with me. having an M4 or leatherman squirt with pliers option in my keyring has got me out of a few holes, whilst my huge (for an office environment) leatherman wave sits at home in a drawer. having said that, being found in a comms cupboard wildly slashing CAT5 with the wave serated 4" blade during a frustrated rewiring clearout *has* stopped people asking me dumb questions...!

    2. Re:SeberTech M4 SeberTool by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I have one I bought at Sears, but I can't tell if they still sell them. It had the craftsman name on it so it has a lifetime warranty. It also came with a nice plastic cover that slips over it when it's on my keyring. Keeps out the pocket lint that killed my last few keyring knives.

  24. I need a multitool! by fm6 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Shortly afterwards I was in a situation where I needed a multitool *now*...
    I'm trying to imagine a situation where you have to have a multitool and nothing else. I mean, a multitool doesn't do anything unique, it just does it in a small (and rather clumsy) package.
    1. Re:I need a multitool! by DavidTC · · Score: 3, Informative
      Maybe he was about to be stranded on a desert island with only one item.

      Me, I don't know what all the fuss is about. I just carry a standard cheap-ass pocket knife, got it for two dollars at a dollar store. It's got scissors, a saw blade, a very useful hole punch, and a whole lot of things I rarely need. Once in a while, I break the blade, usually doing something I shouldn't have been doing with a knife blade, and I go buy another one for two dollars. I have it as a keychain, along with a triple A powered flashlight.

      Plyers, you ask? I carry a pair of actual plyers in my car instead of the crappy things in a multitool.

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    2. Re:I need a multitool! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      Indeed - I'm one of those people who hates having too much stuff rattling around in pockets, so I keep a minimal toolkit in the car. (Too comprehensive a kit is just bait for thieves.)

      But my recommendation for anybody who wants pliers is that they get a pair of long-nosed vice-grips (also known to English speakers as mole-grips): preferably the Irwin tools, as substitutes (in my experience) don't last the distance.

    3. Re:I need a multitool! by harrkev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Need plyers? You have two choices:

      1) Reach to your belt and pull out something that, while not being perfect, is quite functional.

      2) Leave whatever building you are working in, and go out to your car to get pliers.

      Replace "plyers" with "screwdriver," lather ,rinse, repeat.

      Multi-tools are certainly not perfect, but they are useful enough to carry -- just for the convenience factor of NOT having to go all the way out to the car. I have carried my Wave for over three years, and I love it.

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    4. Re:I need a multitool! by fm6 · · Score: 1
      Multi-tools are certainly not perfect, but they are useful enough to carry -- just for the convenience factor of NOT having to go all the way out to the car.
      I can certainly see that some people would rather have a multitool than a whole box of tools. What I fail to grasp is that anybody has to have a multitool. That toolbox might be a lot less convenient, but it will do the job.
    5. Re:I need a multitool! by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      the Util-key I find to be quite useful to carry around on my key chain. I used to carry around a mini-swiss army knife but that was to bulky once I got a keyless remote for my car. It is perfect for those times when I need to tighted one screw or open a box. I have a couple of multi-tools but never carry them. I find if I need a pliers or something I will use a real tool from my toolbox.

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  25. Depends on the job... by OneFix · · Score: 1

    Do the tools wiggle around after a lot of use?
    Not if you buy from a company that has been making good knives for a long time...

    Victorinox is probably the right company to stay with...They are one of only 2 companies that make genuine swiss army knives (Wenger is the other)...They have a good selection of tools...their Spirit is a good choice for a general multitool...

    I personally own a CyberTool (according to Victorinox, official equipment for NASA space shuttle crews)...but I carry a Signature....

    The real answer is to pick the right tool for the job...if you want something you plan to carry with you all the time, go for one of the pocket tools...if you are going to be doing lots of computer work with it, you may want to go with the CyberTool...if you want something to stick in a backpack, then a multitool is probably a good choice...but remember to choose a tool from someone that's been doing high quality knives for a long time...

  26. Gerber Multitool. by bryanp · · Score: 1

    I was given a Gerber Multitool (the needlenose variety) for Christmas in 1995. 9 years later I still carry it. The way it slides open allows the blades to be on the inside. It also means you can lock the knife blade open so that you can't fold it down on your hand.

    The only reason I've considered upgrading is that mine is an early model with a flaw that has long since been corrected. The early models folded together completely when used as pliers, which meant that if you slipped you could pinch yourself badly. I've done it. A couple of years after mine came out they modified the design so that the handles don't quote close together completely when used as pliers. Problem solved.

    There are also "expansion" kits that let you add on to the functionality.

    In short, it has served me well.

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  27. What I want is a tool that... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...tells me if I'm in range of a wireless network, tells me if there is activity on an ethernet network, provides 1GB of storage via USB, tells me if a serial port is working, functions as a logic probe and multimeter and provides a 3V and 5V power supply (not high current, just enough to provide input to a logic gate) and fits in my pocket. If there's room it'd be nice if it were a wireless gateway and serial over bluteooth dongle. In other words, I want a Leatherman for the early part of the 21st century, not some medieval hacking and slashing tool.

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    1. Re:What I want is a tool that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called a "PDA with 1GB Compact Flash"

    2. Re:What I want is a tool that... by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      Spoken like someone who's never been camping.

      Myself I have a Gerber Multitool that I like a LOT. I use it when I'm out camping, out 4-wheeling with my buddies (you'd be surprised how often stuff falls off when you've just driven through a creek and leapt the poor bugger 3 feet in the air when you didn't realize how steep the side of the creek was!) and when flying. Yes, I said when flying.

      At least once my Gerber has been of great value in-flight when I realized that a screw holding the seat rail in place was loose enough that I was concerned about the rail breaking. Whip out the Gerber and tighten it down (while maintaining straight-and-level of course)... problem solved and reported as a squawk to the FBO when I returned. For anyone who's NOT been in a Cessna, this can be DANGEROUS... a guy was recently killed when his seat released and slid back causing him to lose control of the plane on final. Ick!

    3. Re:What I want is a tool that... by webhat · · Score: 1

      I actually saw some Victorinox Swiss Army Knife with 256 Mb USB storage at the CeBIT last year, as giveaways, I didn't get one sadly... :(

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  28. Get a Leatherman Micra, too by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No matter what multitool you decide on, I'd reccomend also getting a Leatherman Micra tool. It's a mini-leatherman, works as a keychain. I'm the kind of person who hates having unneccesary crap in their pockets, but the Micra is useful enough that it's more than worth the 1 x 6.5 x 2 cm it takes up in my pocket. I have one of those handy keychain seperators, for times I need the micra for more than a few seconds, to get my bulk of my keys off. The lot of it collapses into a nice ball that takes up little space in my pocket, alongside my wallet. It has the majority of tools I need as a desktop maint/support guy at a library. The only time I have to go back to my desk to get my full toolkit is when I need my 8" long phillips bit to get somewhere annoying. Unlike my Swiss Army Knife (closest current model seems to be the Herc), the scizzors is still fully springy, even after sitting in my pocket for 3 years (4 now?) and getting a fair bit of use. You'd be surprised how often you need to clip a coupon out of a flier found at the grocery store, left in a cart, or need a pseudo-phillips screwdriver. I really love this lil guy.

    Beyond that... I prefer a regular, original Leatherman. If I were to buy a new tool today, I may consider one of the other Leathermans, perhaps one geared toward tech stuff, be it a Leatherman or otherwise, but I'm in no need to replace this one.

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    1. Re:Get a Leatherman Micra, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be careful not to cut yourself on the overlapping blades of the Leatherman Micra. The designers overlooked how sharp blade tips can be when closing the tool, causing the sharp-pointy-tips to pass each other. So, instead of having the rounded curve of the back of each blade on the outside, they automatically invert inwards so that the tool is smaller when folded. Ouch!

    2. Re:Get a Leatherman Micra, too by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      I second this. I had one i used *EVERYDAY* as a sysadmin for years ... until my bitch of a g/f stole it :)

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    3. Re:Get a Leatherman Micra, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I've been carrying mine for years. At some point I separated it from my keychain, so I just carry it loose. I even built my last two PCs with the flat Phillips.

    4. Re:Get a Leatherman Micra, too by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

      Gotta love the flat Phillips; probably more universally suitable than your average single-size full screwdriver.

      The scissors are nice but easily abused. Mine are looking pretty ragged and don't cut paper very well at all anymore. Of course, I've used it to cut small branches.

      I've also found you can get a bad pinch from the back hinge end. And the keychain pseudo-tool can get in the way of other tools on that end.

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    5. Re:Get a Leatherman Micra, too by captaincucumber · · Score: 1

      The scissors on my micra stopped working properly because the spring got gummed-up (not because the blades dulled - they didn't)

      Anyway, I discovered a trick for cleaning out all the gunk. It fixed the scissors, and made the micra look like new. Soak the thing in bleach for about an hour.

      Also, advice to potential micra buyers - only buy the steel colored ones. the other colors are painted on, and that paint chips off, leaving you with a shitty looking micra.

    6. Re:Get a Leatherman Micra, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have had a micra and a leatherman wave for about 4-5 years. i use my micra on a daily basis, much more than the wave, mainly because i know the micra is always in my pocket. the scissors are much better than anything you will find in a small multi-tool, and comes in incredibly handy (you never know when a cute girl will have a loose thread hanging off her blouse). i don't see how i would get by without it.

  29. Read Doug Ritter's reviews by gkuz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before buying anything in this arena, you really owe it to yourself to spend some time perusing Doug Ritter's Equipped to Survive site. Honest, objective reviews of all the hardware. I'm not affiliated with him in any way.

    1. Re:Read Doug Ritter's reviews by Jethro · · Score: 1

      ...ironic that his website is apparently not equipped to survive (:

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    2. Re:Read Doug Ritter's reviews by gkuz · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? Loads perfectly fine for me at 1236 EST on 3/2/05. I've never had a problem with them.

    3. Re:Read Doug Ritter's reviews by Jethro · · Score: 1

      I'm getting nothing...

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  30. Aristotle? by Bombcar · · Score: 1

    What was it Aristotle had to say about tools designed for more than one purpose?

  31. Classic Leatherman by douthitb · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have to go with the classic Leatherman. I have had mine since I was 10 years old, and it still works great. Other than getting the knife blade sharpened here and there, I have not had any problems with it in 13 years, and I have put it through considerable abuse.

    I understand your desire to have a locking mechanism for the blade. That being the case, the Leatherman Wave would be a good fit. It's very similar to the classic Leatherman in terms of quality and function, and the blade lock is a nice touch.

    1. Re:Classic Leatherman by Thu25245 · · Score: 1

      I can also sympathize with the need for a locking blade, and the Leatherman PST and PSTII don't have one.

      However, so long as you always fold a classic Leatherman's handle completely before using the blad (As opposed to keeping the pliers exposed) the blade will never collapse onto your exposed fingers (It will be blocked by the other half of the handle, which will prevent it from cutting your hand.)

  32. Leatherman Super Tool by Fritzed · · Score: 1

    I have a regular old Leatherman Super Tool. I take it with me everywhere and use it all the time. The blades lock and are thicker than on many other multi-tools. It's just a great tool.

    -> Fritz

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  33. Get a multi-tool and a real knife. by pi_rules · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gerber, Victorinox, Leatherman, SOG - whatever floats your boat for the multi-tool.

    However, if your primary concern is one that has a locking knife blade just get a knife to compliment the package. I find knives on pocket tools clumsy and of dubious quality/utility. I don't like fumbling around with my Victorinox when I just want to quick cut something, so I carry a CRKT M16-14M. I've had a few CRKT knives in my posession and have found that they take a nice edge, keep that edge, are ambidexterous, and of fairly good quality for what you're paying.

    A good folder with a thumb-stud for easy opening and a locking blade means that you're knife can be out and ready in just a couple seconds, vs however long it takes you to unfold a Leatherman. You can deploy, use, unlock, and clip them back onto your belt with a single hand and that's handy if you ask me. Comes in handy at work, and makes it easier and cleaner to open packages, snipping a cable tie, or stirring my tea.

    While not of concern in your post, this also makes them a last-ditch self defense weapon. Not a very good one... but if you don't have a gun on ya, it's better than nothing!

    Personally I wish somebody made a multi-tool that didn't waste space with knives in them.

    Oh, and don't discount the idea of a neck knife! That would be a knife you hang around your neck with a sheath, the handle pointing toward your abodomen. Depending on your attire they can be very comfortable to wear and nobody knows its there... less stuff hanging off your belt too. However, I've found producing a fixed blade knife from under your shirt at a moment's notice tends to freak people out. Some also come with a sheath that could alternatively be mounted to your belt for extra flexibility (ie: You're out in the woods, you can keep your every day knife with you but in a bit more accessible manner).

    Most importantly, if you're using it for a knife most of the time, a real knife is more comfortable than a multi-tool -- which means better control overall.

    I'd recomment Knife Country USA if you want to buy online. No special reason, but the prices are competitive and the owner knows the subject matter if you have any questions about this or that. Also, a very friendly guy. I found his booth at the local gun show and use him for my online purchases.

    1. Re:Get a multi-tool and a real knife. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. I can't recommend a Buck Hunter folding lockback enough. It does everything and takes waaay more abuse than it deserves. I think you can even get them at Walmart.

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    2. Re:Get a multi-tool and a real knife. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      For a general purpose knife, I like the folding utiltiy knives that have popped up lateley. Their cheap and the blades are replacable so I don't have to worry about what I'm cutting with it.

  34. Important point: Tools on inside of handle? by chl · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I prefer it when I can access the blades, screw drivers, saws etc. without having to unfold the whole device. In fact, this was a major deal breaker with the Leathermans (Leathermen?) for me.

    Victorinox got it right on their series of SwissTools. On the one I have, all the tools lock into place, the whole thing is quite sturdy, but the wire cutting part of the main tool can only cut very small things.

    chl

    1. Re:Important point: Tools on inside of handle? by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

      I second the recommendation on the SwissTool- all the tools lock, and it has a decent "lock" on the pliers portion (A spring and a flat) which is better than the "friction" lock I've seen on plenty of the other tools available. Another big plus- it has a smooth edged blade and a serrated blade. I've had one for six years, and been very impressed.

  35. Leatherman Supertool by Ratbert42 · · Score: 1

    I've carried a Leatherman Supertool for about 8 years now and haven't found anything that makes me really want to replace it. Better wire stripping is about the only thing I really long for. I did a little surgery on my Supertool case and it also holds a 1-AAA MagLite and a tiny Victorinox swiss army knife (scissors, tweezers, toothpick). I also carry a PocketWrench II behind my Supertool, which gives me a solid pry-bar and a second wrench when I need it. I always carry a primary knife (unless I have to go through a security checkpoint that day) like a Spyderco Delica or a larger Benchmade liner-lock.

  36. Gerber by Yonder+Way · · Score: 1

    Gerber makes some mean multitools, every bit as tough as the original Leatherman (maybe more so) and without the political contribution baggage that goes with buying a Leatherman.

    1. Re:Gerber by Quill_28 · · Score: 1

      What political baggage is that?

    2. Re:Gerber by Yonder+Way · · Score: 1

      If you are a supporter of the DNC it won't bother you. Leatherman contributed a lot of money to John Kerry and other Democrat politicians. I'd rather they just dropped the price of the tool, made no contribution to any politicians, and let me as an individual decide who to give it to.

    3. Re:Gerber by ormark · · Score: 1

      Actually not true. From what I've seen/heard, the head of the company let it be know he intended to vote for Kerry/Edwards, but there was no financial contribution from him or his company.

    4. Re:Gerber by Yonder+Way · · Score: 1

      It's quite true. I sent an email to Leatherman protesting the news of their contribution and support, and got an email back from Mr Tim Leatherman himself standing behind his actions.

      There are now many gun owners and outdoorsmen in this country who refuse to buy leatherman products anymore (including me) and will recommend alternatives that are often superior anyway, such as Gerber's multitools.

    5. Re:Gerber by ormark · · Score: 1

      It appears to me you may have misinterpreted what Mr. Leatherman's actions were. On http://ondogriver.net/bullspeak/archives/2004/11/1 7/a-letter-from-a-citizen-mr-leatherman/ I located the following: "I did endorse Kerry/Edwards. However, the endorsement was personal. No corporate money (or personal either, for that matter), was contributed to any candidate, any party, PAC, or any political entity what-so-ever."

  37. Wenger, et al. by Kris_J · · Score: 1

    I have this Wenger "tool chest", and apart from needing a long screwdriver to mount a Zalman heatsink, I just assembled a PC from scratch with it. I also carry a Tool Logic T1 Series Business Card in my wallet and a SwissMemory USB Victorinox with my car keys. I have this Hammer multitool in the car. Cars need more tough love than PCs ^_^

  38. Multi-tool + a good knife by Exocet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just as in Linux, the best tool is not always a "does-everything" tool.

    I have a Leatherman Micra that has the bare essentials: scissors, small and big flatheads. There's also a "philips" (flathead with tapered head). Plus it has a bottle opener. The knife blade on it sucks.

    I have a couple of dedicated knives, however - Benchmade Knife Company's 3550SBK (switchblade) and the 42S (butterfly). Sure, they're expensive, but buying cheap crap is stupid. :)

    PS: I work for Benchmade, but I owned their product long before I ever got a job there. :)

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    1. Re:Multi-tool + a good knife by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I also highly recommend the Spyderco Delica as an excellent general-purpose knife. They cut anything, and are a little less likely to raise eyebrows than a switchblade or butterfly. I agree with your assessment, though. I love my Leatherman Wave, but the knife is just so-so. It's certainly better than nothing, but severely outclassed by any dedicated blade.

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    2. Re:Multi-tool + a good knife by Exocet · · Score: 1

      For a cuts anything - and will last a lifetime - I suggest Benchmade's 556S or 555S. Yes, a switchblade or butterfly knife will raise eyebrows - and occasionally hands. Not around my office, of course. :)

      PS: Butterfly's are probably illegal in Canada and California. Switchblades are probably illegal everywhere - except Oregon. The exception is if you can prove you're law enforcement or active duty military. Benchmade only sells where we are sure our knives are legal or to whom we are sure can legally own one of our knives.

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  39. Schrade by imacpro · · Score: 1

    Look up Schrade. They have a good multitool line-up. I had one for a couple of years (got taken by airport security), and it was incredibly durable. The blades and screwdrivers all locked, and the tools open out the side so you don't have to worry about opening the pliers handles to get to the tools.

  40. Leatherman Squirt p4 by chriso11 · · Score: 1

    While it would be neat to be able to carry a full-sized leatherman everywhere I go, the leatherman squirt p4 is the way to go. You won't wear holes in your pocket, or need to get a bat utility belt after adding on a cell-phone belt clip. Plus, it does 80% of what you need a full-sized leatherman for. Finally, the knife is wicked sharp.

    Of course, this is for office/suburban duty. If you are out in the wilderness or in a workshop, there are a host of more appropriate tools.

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  41. Gerber for me by BakaBaka · · Score: 1

    I keep a Gerber Multi-Plier in my purse, a $9 knockoff in the car, and Leatherman Waves at the barn, in the garage, in the office, and in the kitchen. Various ancient Boy Scout and Swiss Army knives are scattered throughout the house. For ease of use, I prefer the Gerber (I think it's a 600 Sport?). It's got screwdrivers, retractable pliers, tiny Fiskars scissors, etc. Those little fold-out scissors are great, and don't come apart like those in Swiss Army-type utility knives. It's easy to open and close, and I never risk cutting my fingers off while trying to fold it (unlike the Leatherman). I like the nylon pouch with the belt loop - it's great for working on scaffolding or overhead grids where tool safety is an issue. Its main drawback is the softness of the cutting edges of the wire cutters in the pliers. Coat hanger wire nicked them, and now they don't work as well. For generic work where I don't want to lug a lot of tools around, it's great, but I usually bring a pair of linesman's pliers if there are metal rods or heavy wires to cut. I like the plastic buttons, but wouldn't use it while welding or soldering for fear they might melt. The various Leatherman tools are sturdier and don't nick as easily, but are harder on the hands. I usually wear gloves when using them because the tools are on the outside when the pliers are in use. I have a hard time getting the knives back in the handle, especially on newer tools. I've seen some older tools lose their locking action and fold in while the knife was in use. A Wave can easily cut barbed wire, saw through rope or branches, or loosen screws. The needlenose models are effective for holding pieces during quick solder jobs, and they're all-metal. The leather pouches that come with some models are just for storage - they don't have hooks or belt loops. My dad's Boy Scout knife served me well until I coughed up the money for the Gerber. The $9 Leatherman knockoff is a sad little thing used only when I'm too lazy to get the proper tool and no-one is there to see my shame. Swiss Army knives and their clones are good for opening boxes, but they don't sit well in my hands, and it's hard to actually use them. I avoid tools with corkscrews, toothpicks, tweezers, and other silly stuff. The toothpicks and tweezers generally get lost, and I haven't used a corkscrew in years. I look for well-made cutter/pliers, good folding action, two or three knives and screwdrivers, and maybe a rasp. I actually do have the proper tools for most applications, but it's handy to have a multi-tool in my pocket just in case.

  42. Juice S2 by simplypeachy · · Score: 1

    I've had a Juice S2 for years now and it's still in brill condition and is used often.

    The main blade does not lock and is 6cm long. All of the tools in it are very well manufactured and still open, close and "click" into place perfectly as if it were new.

    The four screwdrivers that come with it are almost always the right size and the pliers/wirecutters do a great job.

    Even the scissors work!

    HTH

  43. Universal Fixing Tool by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

    Length: 4 in. / 10 cm closed -- 6.3 in / 16 cm open
    Weight: 8.5 ounces / 264 grams
    Materials: 100% stainless steel (Optimum grade hardness for each tool/blade)


    Sounds far too complicated when compared with my standard-issue Universal Fixing Tool. Works on everything, from delicate computer equipment to petrol engines.

    Yup, it's a large, stout hammer... ;-)

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    1. Re:Universal Fixing Tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but with as much stuff being imported from overseas (assuming your in the US) I've found it very dificult to even find a metric hammer here .... ;-)

  44. Leatherman NEW Wave. by Ch_Omega · · Score: 2, Informative

    I got myself the New Model Leatherman Wave at the moment it came out, and can't be happier. It has 2 large knives, saw, file, 2 bits-holders(which includes two two-sided bits, additional bits are available from Leatherman), scissors, Large flat screwdriver(phillips-screwdrivers in two sizes in the included bits), can opener, better ruler, etc.

    You can also get a 21 piece bit-kit for it, which is great for technicians(check the link, and scroll down.). It also appears that it's has a lower price than the titanium Leatherman models, while having the same amount of tools. The reason, ofcourse, is that it's steel, and therefore somewhat heavier.

    I have used mine extensivly, both at work, and at canoe-trips into the wildernes, and just love it. All the tools and knives are locking, and the whole thong is just dandy. :)

    1. Re:Leatherman NEW Wave. by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

      ....and the whole thong is just dandy. :)

      I guess this is what you get when you're surfing porn while writing Slashdot comments.

      I did ofcourse mean that the whole THING is dandy. :)

    2. Re:Leatherman NEW Wave. by harrkev · · Score: 2, Informative

      I recommend the older version of the Wave. Do you really need a whole rack of bits hanging off of your belt? The only down side of the old Wave is that it only has one size phillips bit, but that bit fits most thing just fine (just not the really small phillips screws).

      The newer Waves DO have some nicer main blades, but the scissors are worse, and I do not like havinge to carry extra bits just to use a screwdriver.

      But, in the end, there is not one-size-fits-all solution. Stick with the reputable brands (Leatherman, Gerber, Buck, etc.) Decide what features that you need, and how much weight that you are willing to carry. The old Wave is near-perfect for my needs, but may not be for yours.

      And if it costs less than $25, it is junk. It will break, and let you down when you need it the most. Quality is worth paying for.

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    3. Re:Leatherman NEW Wave. by mr.+methane · · Score: 1

      I've had one of the original "Wave" tools for several years and it, along with my Inova LED flashlight, are the only tools I usually bother to bring with me to do field work.

      The only thing I'm not a big fan of on the new one is the ability to lose parts of it. Not being able to lose the cutter, pliers, screwdriver, is what makes the leatherman so valuable to me.

    4. Re:Leatherman NEW Wave. by plover · · Score: 1
      Agreed. I've had a series of Victorinox Swiss Army knives, but in the last few years I've given them up for the older-style Wave. You can't beat the utility of a pair of pliers and a wire cutter. Plus, I wear it on my belt rather than filling my pockets with the tool.

      For comfort, I strongly recommend the Wave over the older style PST handle. With the Wave, they rolled the corners so that when the tool is opened in the pliers configuration, there are no sharp edges to bite your hand. I can squeeze the handles on the Wave much harder than the handles on the old PSTs.

      But regardless of which tool you choose, be aware that you'll pay for a good one. The cheap ones universally are cheap for a reason. The quality tools will hold their alignment over time, and the springs won't wear.

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    5. Re:Leatherman NEW Wave. by Ch_Omega · · Score: 1

      "The only thing I'm not a big fan of on the new one is the ability to lose parts of it."

      Those parts(the bits, you won't loose any of the other tools, at least not any more than other Leathermen) are easily replaced when you buy the bits-set, and at the same time, the bits-holder lets you expand the functionality of the tool, so for a lot of people the bit's are a good idea.

  45. Leatherman Juice C2 by greenplato · · Score: 1

    I have a Leatherman Juice C2 that I picked up to replace a lost Swiss Army knife. I've had it for two years now and find myself carrying it around more than I had carried my knife.

    pros:
    * red color (I would lose it otherwise)
    * the the assist makes the corkscrew easier to use that any I have used elsewhere
    * high quality (same as any Leatherman or Gerber)
    * good looks
    * not too bulky or heavy (fits in a pocket)

    cons:
    * badly need a locking blade. The shape of the handle and blade make it especially not obvious which side it sharp. I have cut my thumb twice by putting my bracing my thumb on the sharp side and trying to cut with the dull side. I think this is a fatal flaw with the shape of the Juice line
    * Mine does not have a lanyard attachment. Leatherman has fixed this in newer models.
    * If I had to buy it again, I'd get something with scissors.

    1. Re:Leatherman Juice C2 by el_gordo101 · · Score: 1

      con:
      * annoying Flash animation on the Leatherman website

      The damned product link gave me a siezure!

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  46. I like them both... by natron+2.0 · · Score: 1

    I have a leatherman wave and a gerber. I usually keep the leatherman on my belt and the gerber in the glovebox, for those few times I forget the leatherman. I have yet to have a problem with either of them.

  47. Multitool Passes Handcarry Inspection? by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    So I'd like

    1. the most useful multitool, that also
    2. is not so large that it chafes when you carry it, and, that
    3. you can carry onto an airplane without it being considered a lethal weapon
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    1. Re:Multitool Passes Handcarry Inspection? by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, you need a multitool that doesn't have a blade. I've never seen one that I'd consider useful, but that's because I consider a knife to be essential. 8^(

    2. Re:Multitool Passes Handcarry Inspection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Leave anything with that appearance at home. I've seen them confiscate nail files. US Air security: Protecting the world from unwanted manicures.

    3. Re:Multitool Passes Handcarry Inspection? by ormark · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't be able to have a screwdriver on it, either. See www.tsa.gov.

    4. Re:Multitool Passes Handcarry Inspection? by Stanistani · · Score: 1

      Checked tsa.gov's handy PDF on the issue:
      Prohibited as carry-on:
      Axes and Hatchets
      Cattle Prods
      Crowbars
      Hammers
      Drills (including cordless portable power drills)
      Saws (including cordless portable power saws)
      Screwdrivers (except those in eyeglass repair kits)
      Tools (including but not limited to wrenches and pliers)
      Wrenches and Pliers

      The Tools, Wrenches, and Pliers entries just about kill the idea of taking anything useful on a flight.

  48. It's no good if you don't always have it on you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Any of the brand name tools are OK quality wise, a Leatherman has been wearing a hole in my pocket for the last 10+ years. Go to the counter, try all the tools. I like the PST-2 (or something like that, it's not printed on the tool for some reason). Most used are the scissors (frequently on fingernails), ruler, pliers (great potholder on backpacking trips), a very well made Phillips #2 (better than Gerber), diamond file, and the killer app, a mini screwdriver that fits most eyeglasses. Make sure that the dang thing fits in your pocket, or that you will absolutely always wear the stupid holster. This tool does a lot of things OK, but not as good as a specialty tool. It's advantage if always being with you is nul if you leave it on the dresser. If the knife blade does not lock, carry a separate small locking folder.

  49. Leatherman for me by chrysrobyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got a Leatherman for Christmas before I was old enough to appreciate it. I was in awe that my parents bought me a butterfly... pliers? I broke it in High School. Sent it off to be repaired (under 25 year warranty, no receipt, only the knowledge that the product wasn't that old) and it came back fixed, and the handle still had my name engraved on it. Nice service. In Boy Scouts, I learned that the Leatherman was good for whittling, but anything I had to do with the pliers must not involve much force on the handles because they dug into my hands.

    In college, I became a teaching assistant for an electronics course. Lots of proto board work, wires, chips, the like. Needlenose pliers were a must, and the ability to pull them out of my pocket and butterfly my pliers out in less than a second was very timely. I ended up selling about 2 dozen (not direclty, but through telling students where to go purchase a tool like my Geek Tool). As I continued to advance in my own coursework, my rising experience with my Leatherman was a competitive advantage. The other tools were easy to find, but any tool you've used regularly for any length of time will be that comfortable to you. I ended up spraying a bit of Pam (the cooking spray) in the handle to make it open faster and smoother, but getting too much in there makes it close too easily to hold.

    In a senior level course, a buddy of mine whipped out his Leatherman in front of our professor. The professor demanded, "What are you doing?" My buddy responded, "I'm too lazy to walk across the lab and get the public pliers, so I brought my own." To which the obese professor, recovering from a bypass surgery responded, "Get up. WHILE YOU STILL CAN!"

    To summarize: I'm sure just about any tool will be useful for most people who are asking. You will develop a fondness for whatever you get. If you need to apply force, however, carefully consider the Leatherman model. Gerbers are more universally appropriate.

  50. Both... by confused+one · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Leatherman and Gerber make good multitools. I have and still use one of the original Leatherman tools; and, although I broke off the file long ago, it's still tight.

    You can't beat real tools though. My primary toolset came from a combination of the Craftsman and Techni-tool catalogs. I only use the leatherman when in a bind.

  51. Leatherman II by J05H · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've had an original Leatherman (stolen by a hippie) and a Leatherman II for the past 10 years. The L-2 has two blades, many screwdrivers and all that, and mine came in anodized BLACK. It's the only one i've ever seen like that. Only problem after a decade of use is that I snapped the smallest flat-head driver. It mostly gets used for computer and bike repair, and all the tools lock and have no wiggle after intense use. The L-2 at least is heavy enough to open the pliers one-hand, but the little tools require both hands.

    They don't make that model any more, but the new Wave models are the follow-on. Some of them come with replacable screwdriver bits. Not sure about the new ones, but the original Leatherman is milspec, which is part of why they are so sturdy.

    I agree with one of the above posts, too, consider a completely separate knife for your toolkit. Nothing beats a good one-hand, thumbstudded, locking knife. I recommend Benchmade (I've got an Elishowitz StrikerII), CRKT and surprisingly the new Buck knives are pretty nice.

    Josh

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  52. Swiss-Tech is Neat by kentborg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know it isn't what you are asking for, but the little Micro-Tech
    tool made by http://www.swisstechtools.com/ is really neat. It is
    really small, small enough to go in your pocket or on a keyring
    without geeking up. It is a small pliers, slotted screwdriver,
    phillips screwdriver, wire cutter, and small shears. The newer
    Micro-Plus models even have very little slotted and phillips
    screwdrivers.

    Really impressive is that the thing is dang well made: the various
    articulating joints are stronger than I am, and the driver bits stay
    sharp and square.

    Yes, it is no Leatherman, but anyone who is interested in a Leatherman
    probably *also* wants one of these.

    -kb

  53. It does have a large serrated blade. by doorbender · · Score: 1

    Gerber all the way.

    The AC doesn't have one so they have no idea.

    It does have a large serrated blade.

    I bent a few of the hinged type multitools so I went the extra dollar and bought a gerber that was 7 years ago... I have taken it apart a few times to clean in more thoroughly.

    It's stainless Steel too.

    last year i nicked the tip of the blade. but other than that it's still in excellent condition. although the belt case is coming apart.

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    "He's a real midnight golfer"
  54. I carry multiple. by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    I haven't had any problems with my gerbers, but then again, everyone uses them a little bit differently.

    My first 'multitool' was the original Gerber Multitool, annodized black. You can't get it anymore, as the non-locking blades were a problem. [I don't have it, because someone borrowed it, and I never got it back -- but it held up well for many years, even through my time working on a solar car team in college.] It also had the problem that the Philips screwdriver in it was a #2, so it was useless for small screws.

    My next was the SOG Power Pliers. Another nice set, but I did manage to damage the wire cutters (don't try to cut spring steel with 'em -- my own fault, really), and I had changed out some of the components, but I've never seen them offered anywhere other than AAFES, which I don't have access to anymore. I'd say this one held a blade worse than my Gerber. It also doesn't have locking blades, and is a little harder to open one handed. I really like the line cutter though, which I had put in as a replacement. Other issues is that the grip is uncomfortable when trying to use it as pliers. And, it has a #1 Phillips, which is useless on racks, but fine for computer internals. They've fixed my main gripes with the Power Lock [but not the lack of Phillips #2].

    I replaced my original MultiPliers with the MultiPlier 600 -- it's not black (but they do make a black version), but it deals with the locking issues from my original. Other than that, there's not much difference.

    I've used Leatherman, but I didn't see that it was vastly superior to what I already had. I do keep a Leatherman Micra on my keychain. I also have a Leatherman Squirt S4 that I was given as a gift, but it looks like crap when the enamled coating gets knicked up from your keys. (It is, however, easier on your hands, and has a Phillips #1 vs a #2).

    One of my most used tools, though, isn't a knife/plier combo -- it's the Latshaw Pocket Wrench II. It's perfect for tightening down the bolks in a rack. (Especially as the rails for a Sun 220R/420R need you to tighten a nut right where the sides push in, and you can't get a normal wrench in there).

    Anyway, whatever you do -- I'd suggest carrying two, preferably different types, with complimentary tool packages. Sure, sometimes you just need pliers or a screwdriver, but I find that I often need to hold a nut, while turning a screw, and so just having one would be mostly useless.

    But of course -- I'm mostly just racking equipment, and installing cards and such -- the person who was an electrician, above, most likely needs different gear. [And there are also times when the full fledged item is better -- I keep a screwdriver set in my desk, because it's often faster than using a multitool]

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    1. Re:I carry multiple. by jht · · Score: 1

      I'm a three-Leatherman person myself - I've got the Radio Shack version of the Micra (instead of a scissor, it has a plier/wire stripper) on my keychain, a Wave (my personal favorite) that I keep at my office and take along in my kit when I head to a client and expect a tool to be needed, and I have an old PST 2 that was a groomsmen's gift at a friend's wedding many years ago. That one stays in my car at all times.

      One thing about all the Leatherman tools is that they seem to hold a blade really well. I've chopped through some nasty stuff in particular with my Wave, and it's held up great over the years I've had it so far.

      And I've also got an old Topeak MacGuyver tool that I keep on my bike. Comes in handy at times - it's difficult to use but it's got darn near everything on it and it's lightweight.

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      -- Josh Turiel
      "2. Do not eat iPod Shuffle."
  55. Victorinox SwissTool by isaac338 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a SwissTool that I can't do without. It's sturdy, well built, has tons of different tools, locks on every single tool, and you can get a set of screwdriver bits that fit into the sheath and give you a bunch of different torx and phillips/robertson heads. The biggest benefit is that you can access the blades and such without opening the pliers - that fact alone really aggravates me about the Leatherman multitools.

    Sometimes the single phillips head screwdriver is hard to fit into small places (like inside cases and whatnot), but for most things it's okay. I'd recommend it for sure.

    1. Re:Victorinox SwissTool by Famanoran · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I've had mine for several years now, and it's never broken. The knife is still sharp - without having had to sharpen it. All the tools are in great nick. And you can even fit a pen into the leather carry-case - perfect.

  56. Buck tool by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    it's similar to a leatherman but the handle hinges fold perpendicular to the pliers hinge rather than parallel to the pliers, so if the pliers get stuck on something it is easier to pull them open rather than have the handle start to fold.

    this design also puts the handle-folding tools on the inside of the handle when opened as pliers so they are more comfortable to use when squeezing the pliers.

    http://www.northdoorway.com/farmgarden/buck.htm

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  57. Mod up the nice related link in parent by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    I have the original Maxpedition Fatboy Versipack. Until you've tried one, you can't imagine how wonderful they are. The main pocket is the perfect size for an inch (plus) thick CD wallet. The other pockets and clips can hold 98 percent of everything a tech like me needs to do their job. The other 2 percent sits in the trunk of my car and doesn't get touched for weeks at a time.

    It's not good for paperwork but otherwise I love the thing. Seriously, if you've ever thought about carrying all your stuff in some sort of bag or pouch, this is THE way to go.

  58. Multi-tool, Knife by Skipworthy · · Score: 1

    I *love * the gerber with the pliers that slide out- very slick, and the tool in general is as good as any , really- like someone says- the newer ones have better safetey features, and the metal is a bit soft. But if I could only have one multi-tool for work, I might choose that one. (though,. for what it's worth, I have never been impressed with any 'knife' on those, and any 'specialized' tools- hex, torx whatever- are better carried seperatly...)

    THAT SAID...I carry a leatherman squirt all the time ( its about the size of a zippo, so it doesn't wear a hole in the pocket, and I can even carry it when wearing slacks. When I'm working in jeans, I have a belt-mounted Schrade ( dont know the model) that is rock-solid and as good as having all the tools for real ( the needle-nose pliers are better than the equivalent snap-on model, for example). It's lasted me years, some years of *hard* use. Alongside that, I carry a Gerber Gator- (yes friends, thats a real knife), partially serrated, diamond-sharp, the handle is made of a type of rubber that wont get slippery when wet/greasy. locks hard. also well-used and a *rock*.

    I also usually like to have a small one-handed pocket knife ( with the thumb stud and one handed close,) but cant find one as good as the last one I had which finally wore out.

    fwiw...

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    Skip "Breathe in, breathe out...the rest is easy"
  59. Re:Leatherman Charge (XTi!) by SamHill · · Score: 1

    I bought one of these, too (actually I got the XTi). It's nice -- it fits in my hand, has all the tools I need and a bunch I don't (a saw?), and also has a rescue blade for cutting seat belts and similar things (works great for opening plastic bags).

    I looked at the Gerbers and the SwissTool, and handled a whole bunch of different Leatherman tools first. In the end, this one had the most things that seemed useful.

  60. More support for Gerber by n9hmg · · Score: 1

    Cheaper than an equivalent Leatherman branded device, and it's a knife company. The blade (and other tools) lock securely and are made of VERY good steel. It holds a good edge for a very long time. 5 years now (second one - I lost the first).

  61. Local Radio Shack...don't laugh. by PONA-Boy · · Score: 1

    A number of years ago, when I was an employee of Tandy Corporation and worked in your local Radio Shack store, We sold a simple Victorinox Swiss Army knife at Christmastime. It sold for $10US and was pretty basic:

    1 straight blade
    1 electricians blade
    1 phillips bit riding snugged on the outside
    1 plastic toothpick
    1 metal tweezers ...I bought one and started using it for the normal things that an innovative Radio Shack employee _used_ to do: strip wires, screw/unscrew things, pry stuff apart, and cut things in half. I bought another one because I would forget the knife at home...again for $10US. The electrician's blade alone made it the single best tool I've ever used. I could cut and strip wire and slice open boxes like nobody's business with that thing. We stopped carrying it after the holidays so I bought a few more and have managed to lose all but one of them.

    It was perfect for me...it fit INside my pocket, it was light, it was simple, and it always worked. I abused the hell out of it and I never had a moment's problem with it. That said, I received a gift of the original Leatherman PST one holiday afterwards and used it until the pliers would flip out like a balisong...that's the ONE thing that old Swiss Army knife never had: pliers.

    I've run through two PST's and am on a new WAVE now. It is really slick with the blades OUTside the case now...and they LOCK. Just about everything on the new WAVE is an improvement on the original PST...but it IS bigger.

    What I wouldn't give for another BOX of those little Swiss Army knives!!!

    -PONA-

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  62. My take on my many multi-tools by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1
    I have:
    • Two halves of a Swisstech. (The center joint isn't very strong.)
    • A Leatherman (original), just picked it up last week for $7
    • A Leatherman Squirt P4. I busted half of the file off within a few hours of buying it.
    • A Gerbel legend
    • A Gerber 600
    • I also used to own an original gerber multitool, and a Coleman multitool.

    I rank the Gerbers as the best of any of them. They're built like a tank.
    The original Gerber was the most solid, but they don't make them anymore. It was heavy as hell, but it was like a brick of steel. I used it as a hammer on numerous occasions. Alas, it was stolen.

    The Gerber legend is the best if you're an electronics nut. It's the *only* full-sized multi-tool I've ever seen with spring loaded handles.

    The Gerber 600 is not quite as nice, but still very good. It has the gerber, wrist-flick opening and is reasonably beefy. It's good if you don't want to shell out for a Legend. The blunt-nosed version would make a good bike tool.

    The Coleman tool had two things going for it:
    -Detachable tools from the handle (Need to hold a nut still while turning a philips screw?)
    -The only decent knife blade I've ever seen on a multitool. I general, knife blades on multitools are basically a POS. They're always so thin for their length that it feels like you're going to snap the blade off it you try to do any serious work with it. The Coleman's was double the thickness of any other tool I've seen. Other than that, it mostly sucked.

    My favorite thing about the regular Leatherman is the size/weight. If only my Gerbers were that small. Alas, the handle design makes the pliers cut into your hand WAY too much, making the pliers only useful for half of what you could do if it had better handles.

    Also, I've played with the Leatherman Wave and IMO it's just not a match for the Gerber Legend. The Legend has beefier, spring loaded pliers with tungsten-carbide cutters, and a tungsten-carbide sawblade. The only thing the Wave seems to do better is the file, but I never find myself really needing a diamond file.

    The Squirt P4, is a decent keychain tool, but it's out of its class against any full-sized multitool. Compared to a real multitool, it sucks. Compared to nothing, it's great :)
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  63. Check you local laws first! by biglig2 · · Score: 1

    I cannot emphasise enough the importance of checking local law. In the UK, for example:

    Automatic knives (opened by springs or gravity) and balisongs are illegal to make, carry or sell.
    Anything with a fixed blade, a locking folding blade or a non-locking folding blade more than 3 inches long is illegal to carry in public.

    (In public includes your car and your workplace.)

    Now, there is a defence in law for the illegal to carry category that you need it to do your job, but I'm not going to risk it.

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  64. NetApp Leatherman? by webhat · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if the Multi Tool I got as a gift from Network Appliances was a *real* Letherman, but it was absolutely sweet.

    It had a good knife, ruler, multi-bit screwdriver, pliers and more. The best thing was that it came with a bit so you could open a NetApp box, if you needed to.

    The bad thing was that none of the tools were fixed, which cost me some folds of skin.

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    'I am become Shiva, destroyer of worlds'
  65. Leatherman brand is superior quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought my wife a Leatherman.
    She lives on a tropical island in the Pacific.
    Last visit, I built a dresser for her using no tools other than the leatherman.
    I used it to saw and carve the wood and whittle the pegs. While it's not as pretty as a store bought piece of furniture, it's much nicer than naything Homer Simpson has ever built and fully functional.

    I'm a tightwad and the leatherman was expensive. I have been considering one for myself but can't justify the $ because I just don't NEED that much additional tool in that small a form factor. However, I'm always on the lookout for a clone of similar quality. Please allow me to TESTIFY that there is nothing on the market, 'praise leatherman', that even approaches the quality. By that I mean the spouses leatherman is ready to build another dresser whereas everythign else I've examined would not have made it through the first one.

    Next visit I plan to stay for 6 months and build a sailing canoe using the leatherman. I have no doubt it will be as good as new after the job and ready for another project.

    Oh, it can't be beat for dressing pigs or cleaning fish and I even managed to rebuild a yamaha outboard motor using NO OTHER TOOLS.

    So there you go.

    Don't be a cheapskate. Buy the good stuff. You'll thank me in twenty years when you're still using it.

  66. Leatherman Mini-Tool by kruczkowski · · Score: 1

    Good luck finding it, I bought mine 6 years ago and still have it next to me. It unfolds to a full size plyers and can do almost anything I want. Only downside is that it doen't have a philips head.

    http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/retired -t ools/mini-tool/default.asp

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  67. Leathermans by Mysterea · · Score: 1

    I'm a little late to reply on this, but I have two recommendations, my background is 6 years selling the things and about 10 of use.. The leatherman wave is hands down my favorite 'regular sized' tool, and the leatherman micro is the BEST keychain tool ever. Seriously, don't think you can go without the Micro, as far as usability it has gotten me out of some tight situations.