What do you think of Open Source ? Bad because there is nothing left to put on your warez website ? Or good because this has the same goal as software piracy : allowing people to use softwares for free (though I might be missing the point of piracy) ?
How sad. Thank you for taking the time to precise that, but quite frankly, I can't help thinking that these reasonings are not what will help Linux to improve its UI.
Obviously, the Kompany is one of the few business-oriented software developpers for Linux (as opposed to fully OpenSource developpers). Now it seems to me that it is like working in a proprietary way and trying to sell products to free software "extremists". The most interested people in Zaurus must be the linux community, are they going to accept a Windows-oriented platform ?
Last point: isn't there any copyright on this, or did The Kompany pay a lot of money to Microsoft to get their UI, icons and all ?
That's a pity that the Kompany cannot even develop its own look and feel. People tired of windows ME & co, who will buy this, will be quite disappointed to get linux with a windowsish style, won't they ?
They were *shot* at the same time, but this is just production. They have post-production afterwards (inc. soundtrack, SFX, screenplay, re-shooting of some scenes, etc). Maybe it takes them less than a year to do that, but the three movies *weren't* finished when FOTR was released !
Just read some interviews (Peter Jackson, Ian Mc Kellen, Howard Shore) to see that they are still working on it. They are not waiting in some Jackson's drawyer:)
The task is gigantic, and post-prod is a huge task, that's why they can't just finished all at the same time. Money is involved, but would just not be possible anyway.
Need a proof? http://www.soundtrack.net/features/article /?id=89 When do you start on the second film, The Two Towers?
Well, work has already begun on the film - they're editing it and putting it together now. [...] Now I'm looking to take a break from Middle Earth - but I'll be right back there with The Two Towers next year! ( Howard Shore, 11/20/2001 )
So yes, they must have begun Two Towers post-prod quite early, but they obviously haven't finished all the episodes yet.
I'm one of those guys who is buying a DVD player partly because of the LOTR DVD, who spends some time reading a Quenya (elvish) course. But I suppose the question concerns most of us.
Who the hell would like to view an unfinished, probably mostly-SFX-free, score-free, unperfect version of the Two Towers ?
I want to watch it in the better conditions possible, not a shitty tiny pre-alpha version. I would watch that even if I was forced to. This is just ridiculous.
Cinema is art. You don't steal somebody's unfinished painting just to have a peak at it before anybody else, do you ? Let's wait for the final, fully worked movie. That's what we are wainting for.
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Yep, I use a non-NT based Windows : win98.
Since I only use it as a game platform, I don't need any other version. Now as a most-of-the-time linux user (little time to play:-/), the IE crashes are mostly reported by friends, which have different windows versions.
Just ask some friend of yours about what they think about IE stability...
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Yeah Opera is nice, though not OSS. If you want some light browser, why not try w3m (really useful, actually).:)
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I'm really amazed to see the popularity of Netscape, especially version 4.* and especially for the "newbie internet users". The fact is, ISP often offer a free CD containing MS IE5 and NN4.7. Right.
I was a NN user two years ago, when I had no alternative. Today, let's face it : NN4.* is crap. I mean IE is not the best browser for specs compliance, and crashes quite often. But NN4.* doesn't even support CSS1, which is really a shame if we plan to use HTML4.01 Strict. Opera is quite a good, rapid, nice browser, but since the free version has a banner and since it's not on the ISP CDs, it will never make it amongst beginners.
[ right, you'll have noticed that I only speak about windows, since any normal linux user will use a recent Mozilla (or galeon & co) or Konqueror. I'm talking about people who don't even know what a setup.exe is. ]
So the problem is : I've never seen any ISP shipping its CD with a NN >4 browser. Since NN6 is such a sloooow program, it's not much of a surprise, I agree. We'll see what NN7 will change in this business.
However, the fact is : many internet users are beginners, and many beginners use the browser they were given in the first place (IE5 or NN, maybe they prefer NN because of its mail client which is less effective in virus auto-install). What's wrong with that ?
NN4 *is* deprecated. I mean it doesn't support recent standards. So if you are a webmaster, and that you or your customers want the majority of the people to be able to view your website, you have no choice but make your HTML code NN4 compliant. And to some extent, recent-standards-non-compliant.
I wouldn't be whinning about that here if my customer didn't make me recode his website to make it NN4 compliant (wow, great creepy code with tables, frames, and all).
A solution would be for the ISP to *stop* distributing this old NN version with their CDs. Mozilla is mature enough to replace it, isn't it ? Or even a recent NN version...
Let's hope ISP will wake up, eventually, and update their CDs so that we'll finally be able to use the new possibilities the W3C has been working on for two years...
Actually, I find this really silly. mp3 are *compressed* music files right ? Then ogg is *another* format. This means you have a double loss of quality, which is not much of a good idea...
I'd rather rip my CD's in ogg and keep my good old 14 Go of MP3 in their original format. This is already lossy enough !
That's sad and true. However, I can quote Jabber as a slightly different IM, OpenSource and nice, though compatible with ICQ, MSN & co. Or OpenOffice compatibility means it has to open MS Office files. It doesn't mean it has to have exactly the same look and feel and interface...
I think one of the main issues about this "let's make an OSS alternative to X" (where X is a univerally used proprietary software) race is that we feel obliged to make a clone, if possible as good as the original, sometimes better.
I agree that this allows people to come from the windows world, and not be completely lost in new GUI and stuff. Evolution really looks like Outlook, Mozilla really looks like IE, OpenOffice really looks like MS Office, etc. Yeah there are skins and all, but if you think about it, it's really close interface.
Now, besides the easier migration issue, why just copy an existing software ? Yes, the original works, why change ? I'm glad some people *don't* think this way otherwise we wouldn't have evolved a bit !
I'm not saying we shouldn't have our own free software instead of using M$ or anybody else's. But I'm wondering whether there is room for some innovation out there ? I mean, I'd be really curious to see the ration free-copy/new-software. Just think about the number of ICQ clones.
To me, it sounds really like the video game industry, just harvesting games which have worked and not even thinking about innovation (How many doom-like for one Myst?). Is business slightly coming into the OSS world ? I don't think so though, I think it just has something to do with innovation, and real thinkin about our needs.
Let's think about the reason why we use software rather than just blindly make our version of the original one. This is more a process of reflexion than coding (coding will have it's time afterwards), but it really seems to be a small part in most software creation.
Instead of building our copy and say "Hey, look, this new feature is great and is not available on the original program!", we maybe should rethink the way the program works, what he does, and how it's used, instead.
I prefer a software which uses a new, optimized and interesting approach to its goal than a simple clone of the base program, even if the former lacks a few features. And this goes for any kind of program, obviously.
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It was not kind of you to give such a spoiler about the next episode !
- rescue magically disappeared partitions on a win-only system (a friend of mine just used it for this purpose, please no reply about the uselessness of a win-only system)
- show a friend that, yes, Linux works on their computer, and, actually, works really fine (if they have enough RAM though). Might be a good thing to give them this CD and let them play a bit with it (they won't screw up anything), and if they are interested, they're ready for the next step (removing windows and putting a nice linux instead:) ) !
OMG, in Switzerland it's $30 (new movies) ! Now if they still don't understand why we all like DivX...
But the "plenty of stuff = additionnal value" idea is really a good point, though they often use it to justify a even higher price...
Oh and nobody would mind if they stopped the multiple-super-extra-version stuff (I don't want to buy three times the same movie to have 3 minutes extra footage).
I think that, above all, it's a matter of respecting the customers and providing them with what they want "and more". Stop thinking about how you'll fool the customers to make more money.
Just give them what they want, they'll buy it, you'll get the money. It's just that simple.
Actually, many writers *did* write this way. Emile Zola didn't know the end of most of his books while starting to write them.
I think this is just another way to see litterature. It's not gonna be plot-oriented (f.i. Hyperion), but it's much more impulsive. You follow some people lives and see what happens. This can make good books too, although I prefer a good plot (strictly personal).
The main interest in this engine is, I think, the editing mode. It's simply amazing. Anytime you want while in game (I suppose not during a deathmatch though), you just press E and enter the editing mode.
You can raise/lower small cubes (or group of cubes) with the mouse scroller, etc. Everything can be built this way. It's both easy and powerful, requires no compilation (press E again and play) and works really well !
The graphics are far from ugly, I'd say the game is rather pretty. It works well under linux, which is a good thing too.
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You're right, my question was not clear. Anyway, Free Software are free like free beer, but this is just a consequence, not the main purpose.
What do you think of Open Source ? Bad because there is nothing left to put on your warez website ? Or good because this has the same goal as software piracy : allowing people to use softwares for free (though I might be missing the point of piracy) ?
How sad. Thank you for taking the time to precise that, but quite frankly, I can't help thinking that these reasonings are not what will help Linux to improve its UI.
Obviously, the Kompany is one of the few business-oriented software developpers for Linux (as opposed to fully OpenSource developpers). Now it seems to me that it is like working in a proprietary way and trying to sell products to free software "extremists". The most interested people in Zaurus must be the linux community, are they going to accept a Windows-oriented platform ?
Last point: isn't there any copyright on this, or did The Kompany pay a lot of money to Microsoft to get their UI, icons and all ?
Some icons on the screenshot quoted above are just windows ones. I don't know of any Windows icon in KDE/Gnome.
I meant http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/content/png/tkcPl ayer-MediaLibrary.png, of course ...
A PDA running linux ? great !
c Pl ayer-MediaLibrary.png
Now when you look at the screenshots, it *really* looks like they are trying to make it look like Windows XP.
http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/content/png/tk
That's a pity that the Kompany cannot even develop its own look and feel. People tired of windows ME & co, who will buy this, will be quite disappointed to get linux with a windowsish style, won't they ?
That's what I kept saying until I read the first book ;)
I'm sorry but Napster & Kazaa can be used to trade illegal files (some are legal, I know).
Google is not illegal, it's just a search engine.
Nope.
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They were *shot* at the same time, but this is just production. They have post-production afterwards (inc. soundtrack, SFX, screenplay, re-shooting of some scenes, etc). Maybe it takes them less than a year to do that, but the three movies *weren't* finished when FOTR was released !
Just read some interviews (Peter Jackson, Ian Mc Kellen, Howard Shore) to see that they are still working on it. They are not waiting in some Jackson's drawyer
The task is gigantic, and post-prod is a huge task, that's why they can't just finished all at the same time. Money is involved, but would just not be possible anyway.
Need a proof?
http://www.soundtrack.net/features/articl
When do you start on the second film, The Two Towers?
Well, work has already begun on the film - they're editing it and putting it together now. [...] Now I'm looking to take a break from Middle Earth - but I'll be right back there with The Two Towers next year!
( Howard Shore, 11/20/2001 )
So yes, they must have begun Two Towers post-prod quite early, but they obviously haven't finished all the episodes yet.
I'm one of those guys who is buying a DVD player partly because of the LOTR DVD, who spends some time reading a Quenya (elvish) course. But I suppose the question concerns most of us.
Who the hell would like to view an unfinished, probably mostly-SFX-free, score-free, unperfect version of the Two Towers ?
I want to watch it in the better conditions possible, not a shitty tiny pre-alpha version. I would watch that even if I was forced to. This is just ridiculous.
Cinema is art. You don't steal somebody's unfinished painting just to have a peak at it before anybody else, do you ? Let's wait for the final, fully worked movie. That's what we are wainting for.
Yep, I use a non-NT based Windows : win98.
:-/), the IE crashes are mostly reported by friends, which have different windows versions.
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Since I only use it as a game platform, I don't need any other version. Now as a most-of-the-time linux user (little time to play
Just ask some friend of yours about what they think about IE stability
Yeah Opera is nice, though not OSS. If you want some light browser, why not try w3m (really useful, actually). :)
I'm really amazed to see the popularity of Netscape, especially version 4.* and especially for the "newbie internet users". The fact is, ISP often offer a free CD containing MS IE5 and NN4.7. Right.
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I was a NN user two years ago, when I had no alternative. Today, let's face it : NN4.* is crap. I mean IE is not the best browser for specs compliance, and crashes quite often. But NN4.* doesn't even support CSS1, which is really a shame if we plan to use HTML4.01 Strict. Opera is quite a good, rapid, nice browser, but since the free version has a banner and since it's not on the ISP CDs, it will never make it amongst beginners.
[ right, you'll have noticed that I only speak about windows, since any normal linux user will use a recent Mozilla (or galeon & co) or Konqueror. I'm talking about people who don't even know what a setup.exe is. ]
So the problem is : I've never seen any ISP shipping its CD with a NN >4 browser. Since NN6 is such a sloooow program, it's not much of a surprise, I agree. We'll see what NN7 will change in this business.
However, the fact is : many internet users are beginners, and many beginners use the browser they were given in the first place (IE5 or NN, maybe they prefer NN because of its mail client which is less effective in virus auto-install). What's wrong with that ?
NN4 *is* deprecated. I mean it doesn't support recent standards. So if you are a webmaster, and that you or your customers want the majority of the people to be able to view your website, you have no choice but make your HTML code NN4 compliant. And to some extent, recent-standards-non-compliant.
I wouldn't be whinning about that here if my customer didn't make me recode his website to make it NN4 compliant (wow, great creepy code with tables, frames, and all).
A solution would be for the ISP to *stop* distributing this old NN version with their CDs. Mozilla is mature enough to replace it, isn't it ? Or even a recent NN version
Let's hope ISP will wake up, eventually, and update their CDs so that we'll finally be able to use the new possibilities the W3C has been working on for two years
I hope you're not amongst the people spitting on the RIAA then ? ;-)
Actually, I find this really silly. ...
mp3 are *compressed* music files right ? Then ogg is *another* format. This means you have a double loss of quality, which is not much of a good idea
I'd rather rip my CD's in ogg and keep my good old 14 Go of MP3 in their original format. This is already lossy enough !
That's sad and true. ...
However, I can quote Jabber as a slightly different IM, OpenSource and nice, though compatible with ICQ, MSN & co. Or OpenOffice compatibility means it has to open MS Office files. It doesn't mean it has to have exactly the same look and feel and interface
I think one of the main issues about this "let's make an OSS alternative to X" (where X is a univerally used proprietary software) race is that we feel obliged to make a clone, if possible as good as the original, sometimes better.
I agree that this allows people to come from the windows world, and not be completely lost in new GUI and stuff. Evolution really looks like Outlook, Mozilla really looks like IE, OpenOffice really looks like MS Office, etc. Yeah there are skins and all, but if you think about it, it's really close interface.
Now, besides the easier migration issue, why just copy an existing software ? Yes, the original works, why change ? I'm glad some people *don't* think this way otherwise we wouldn't have evolved a bit !
I'm not saying we shouldn't have our own free software instead of using M$ or anybody else's. But I'm wondering whether there is room for some innovation out there ? I mean, I'd be really curious to see the ration free-copy/new-software. Just think about the number of ICQ clones.
To me, it sounds really like the video game industry, just harvesting games which have worked and not even thinking about innovation (How many doom-like for one Myst?). Is business slightly coming into the OSS world ? I don't think so though, I think it just has something to do with innovation, and real thinkin about our needs.
Let's think about the reason why we use software rather than just blindly make our version of the original one. This is more a process of reflexion than coding (coding will have it's time afterwards), but it really seems to be a small part in most software creation.
Instead of building our copy and say "Hey, look, this new feature is great and is not available on the original program!", we maybe should rethink the way the program works, what he does, and how it's used, instead.
I prefer a software which uses a new, optimized and interesting approach to its goal than a simple clone of the base program, even if the former lacks a few features. And this goes for any kind of program, obviously.
It was not kind of you to give such a spoiler about the next episode !
I think the two main use of Knoppix are :
:) ) !
- rescue magically disappeared partitions on a win-only system (a friend of mine just used it for this purpose, please no reply about the uselessness of a win-only system)
- show a friend that, yes, Linux works on their computer, and, actually, works really fine (if they have enough RAM though). Might be a good thing to give them this CD and let them play a bit with it (they won't screw up anything), and if they are interested, they're ready for the next step (removing windows and putting a nice linux instead
$10 one DVD ?
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OMG, in Switzerland it's $30 (new movies) ! Now if they still don't understand why we all like DivX
But the "plenty of stuff = additionnal value" idea is really a good point, though they often use it to justify a even higher price
Oh and nobody would mind if they stopped the multiple-super-extra-version stuff (I don't want to buy three times the same movie to have 3 minutes extra footage).
I think that, above all, it's a matter of respecting the customers and providing them with what they want "and more". Stop thinking about how you'll fool the customers to make more money.
Just give them what they want, they'll buy it, you'll get the money. It's just that simple.
Actually, many writers *did* write this way. Emile Zola didn't know the end of most of his books while starting to write them.
I think this is just another way to see litterature. It's not gonna be plot-oriented (f.i. Hyperion), but it's much more impulsive. You follow some people lives and see what happens. This can make good books too, although I prefer a good plot (strictly personal).
The main interest in this engine is, I think, the editing mode. It's simply amazing. Anytime you want while in game (I suppose not during a deathmatch though), you just press E and enter the editing mode.
;-)
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You can raise/lower small cubes (or group of cubes) with the mouse scroller, etc. Everything can be built this way. It's both easy and powerful, requires no compilation (press E again and play) and works really well !
The graphics are far from ugly, I'd say the game is rather pretty. It works well under linux, which is a good thing too.
But you really have to try this editing mode
Let's hope the engine will be open source
Another possibility is to place all your favorite websites in one bookmark folder, and then, just right-click and "Open this folder in tabs".
:)
So you'll have all the news websites in one window, just browse the tabs to view them all !
Galeon's definitely my favourite browser
I'm quite fond of Alice way of dealing with the AI. I think this is the simpler yet most realistic method of faking a conversation yet.
Now, what kind of improvement do you plan for Alice, if any ? Is there a way to improve this reductionism concept to make it even more "real" ?
What's the point in drinking cafeine-free coffee ? How do you code all night long with that ?
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I'd have prefered coffee-free cafeine