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Bootable Linux Demo Distro - Knoppix

ts writes "Newsforge has an article about using Linux to recover Windows partitions. The interesting part is not only the article, but also the comment about Knoppix a Live-on-CD distribution of Linux. I just downloaded it and it booted from CD on a Shuttle Spacewalker SS25. AMAZING. Even the audio works. Have any /. users found interesting uses for this distro?" I've been looking for exactly this to use in demonstrations. Perfect.

212 comments

  1. Friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a better way to prove linux and it's abilitys then to show them on thier own system? My only concern is the limitedness of the size of the Distro, but that be coming from experience with bloated Distros

  2. Slackware: Been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slackware, has a complete bootable distro at least
    since 1995....

  3. No Pix? by oever · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well no, lots of pix. These are the specs of this Debian based distro:

    * Linux-Kernel 2.4.x
    * KDE V3.0.2 as the standard desktop with K Office and the Konqueror WWW-browser konqueror
    * X Multimedia System (xmms) an MPEG-video, MP3, Ogg Vorbis Audio player and xine
    * Internet connection software kppp,pppoeconf (DSL) and isdn-config
    * Gnu Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) Version 1.2
    * utilities for data recovery and system repairs, even for other operating systems
    * network and security analysis tools for network administrators
    * OpenOffice(TM), the GPL-developed version of the well-known StarOffice(TM) office suite
    * many programming languages, development tools (including kdevelop) and libraries for developers
    * in total more than 900 installed software packages with over 2000 executable user programs, utilities, and games

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    1. Re:No Pix? by drfreak · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think it's redhat based. The website describes installing
      software via rpm and using kudzu to autodetect hardware.

    2. Re:No Pix? by mutende · · Score: 2
      Actually, I think it's redhat based.

      However, the website also states that:

      The following Highlights are available in version 3.1 of this Debian-based (www.debian.org) CD:

      A case of schizophrenia, perhaps?

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    3. Re:No Pix? by Rufus211 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      except that it most definetly is Debian based.
      Debian Planet article blockquoth:
      Based on Debian woody 3.0, Knoppix 3.1 has KDE 3.02, OpenOffice.org 1.0, Gimp 1.2 and kernel 2.4.
      also check out the packages.txt (seems to be /.'d by now):
      Gew?nscht=Unbekannt Installieren R Entfernen P S?ubern Halten
      | Status Nicht Installiert Config U Entpackt Fehlgeschl. Konf. Halb install.
      |/ Fehler? (keiner) Halten R Neuinst. notw X=beides (Status, Fehler: GRO? schlecht)
      ||/ Name Version Beschreibung
      +++--
      [...]
      yeah, it's in german (and I had to mutilate it to get it past the junk filter...blah), but look familiar? Exact output from `dpkg -l`
    4. Re:No Pix? by gTsiros · · Score: 1

      I thought it was "Graphic" image manipulation program...

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    5. Re:No Pix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You thought wrong.

    6. Re:No Pix? by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      This may sound a silly question, I ask it genuinely.

      {{{
      16 MB of RAM for text mode, at least 96 MB for graphics mode with KDE
      }}}

      !!!!

      Does it really take 96MB to have KDE up and running? WHY?

      My Linux setup has 48MB RAM, and I run the much maligned bloatware _emacs_ in X, and I can happily edit 10MB text files without hitting swap.

      What does KDE do with that extra 48M that I'm not doing without it?

      YAWIAR.

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    7. Re:No Pix? by jmayer · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's for systems where you do not assign any swapspace on disk. Remove the swap line from your /etc/fstab, reboot and viola - no more kde :-)
      The essence is: without swap, virtual mem == real mem.

    8. Re:No Pix? by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      So it swears a lot, then?

      Thank you for your useful contribution to this discussion. Take of your pathetic AC mask next time, child.

      YAWIAR

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    9. Re:No Pix? by egreB · · Score: 1

      I presume you wrote in irony, here.. Why on earth is this an un-useful contribution to the discussion? I was interested both facts, that this CD neede 96MB RAM to run KDE, and this guy ran his home computer with 48MB RAM. It's a question, and a reply. None were directly off-topic.. So why would he put on an AC mask?

    10. Re:No Pix? by egreB · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a similar distribution, called Demolinux (http://www.demolinux.org). It's been around for a while. There's no spec list on the site (though I browsed it quickly), but I remember it includes kernel 2.2, KDE 2.x, X on different drivers, a nice boot-up logo, loads of software (like xmms, xine, StarOffice, GIMP, etc, etc). On the News-page it states that the current release even has KDE 3.

      I use demolinux for showing off Linux to people, mostly at school. My sysadmin was mighty impressed (-8

      I talked to one guy, and he used Demolinux for cracking - he said it was ideal for booting up a computer in a Windows-based corporation, and his traces would be more difficult to find.. (-8

    11. Re:No Pix? by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      All I learned from the reply is, assuming the replier uses KDE, that KDE seems to make you disfunctional, give you a hair-trigger, and Tourette's syndrome.

      I refuse to believe that's actually the correct answer to my original question, as they don't address utilisation of RAM.

      YAWIAR.

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    12. Re:No Pix? by TRyanC · · Score: 2, Informative

      egreB is reading at a threshold greater than -1, and didn't see the anonymous flamebait that "You're All Wrong" was responding to, which said something to the effect of "it needs the extra RAM to run a modern desktop, cuntbag". Not a very useful response.

      Now, getting back to the question, I assume it uses some of the RAM to make a /var and/or /tmp ramdisk, which isn't necessary on a read/write hard drive based system (such as your 48 MB machine).

    13. Re:No Pix? by dougmc · · Score: 2

      As far as bloatware goes, emacs is no longer even close to the top. Netscape, Mozilla, KDE, gnome, X itself, etc all have it beat in terms of memory consumption by a large margin.

    14. Re:No Pix? by spencerogden · · Score: 1

      What kind of images are not Graphic? That would be a little redundant, no?

    15. Re:No Pix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      disk images?

    16. Re:No Pix? by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 2

      What a perfect opportunity for an ASCII goatse pic!

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    17. Re:No Pix? by jx100 · · Score: 1

      I dunno, the goatse pic's awfully graphic...

  4. Another Just Like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At my uni they also use a bootable linux distro called ADOIS. Cant find a link for it but thats what its called

    1. Re:Another Just Like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is the Adios Boot CD, its a similar project, check it out.

    2. Re:Another Just Like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      1. Option 1 allows you to run Linux entirely from RAM disk and CDROM. It first copies /var to a 16MB ramdisk and all other files remain on CDROM (/var includes /tmp, /etc, / home, /root, and /usr/local). This is the only option that will work if you only have an NTFS filesystem.
        1. Option 2 allows you to save configuration files, create users and build executable files in /usr/local/bin, but you can't install RPMs into /usr. It copies /var to a file inside the windows FAT partition the first time and mounts it each subsequent time you boot the CDROM (It also allows user to allocate 64MB to 512MB of FAT disk space for the /var and SWAP file). Option 3 allows you to install CDROM image onto the FAT filesystem. Copies CDROM to windows FAT partition the first time and then runs from the FAT file image on each subsequent boot (allocation of 1GB FAT file). Only requires CDROM to boot image on FAT filesystem (or boot diskette).
  5. I found an interesting use for this distro... by screenbert · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Have any /. users found interesting uses for this distro?"

    Yes I used the diskette to prop my table leg up. I was able to replace the AOL CD I was using.

    Seriously though it could have problems with varying types of file systems. For instance the guy said he used it with ME, not with Windows 2K which uses NTFS. And of course microsoft decided to come out with encryption in W2K so those files would pretty much be lost if you had that setup. Why not just create a recovery CD? If it's FAT there are a lot of ways to boot to it. Just my .02 cents worth.

    1. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by kevinqtipreedy · · Score: 1

      i have actualy used this at work. i started a job at this place and they had a computer with a lot of important information on it. the person who used it quit and always logged on as administrator on windows2k. i booted off of this cd, got an xterm and it even mounted the ntfs partition automatically. i just ftped what they needed to the file server.

    2. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by allanj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      First a (minor) correction - W2K allows you to use NTFS. It's not mandatory, you know.

      Most of the W2K installations *I* consider to be wise have a small boot partition for W2K (~4 Gigs - W2K and Windows apps are bootdisk space hogs [sigh]) which uses FAT, just so that any disk-analyzer can find out what's wrong with it THIS time. Then put all data and programs on a secondary NTFS partition, which can be accessed when you've either

      1. rescued the FAT boot partition
      2. Re-installed W2K
      The last option is rarely needed for an average user (they do it anyway, though), but for a developer (like myself) it's necessary with intervals of ~6 months - sigh (but that's due to DLL bloat, most of the time). If the NTFS one fails (rather unlikely barring physical disk damage) you can repair it using any of the tools already available for that job. I never ever had to repair anything running on NTFS, though. Solid as rock.

      This approach has saved my a** more than a few times...

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    3. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by rakslice · · Score: 2

      >>And of course microsoft decided to come out with encryption in W2K so those files would pretty much be lost if you had that setup.

      Well, files might not be accessible from linux while encrypted, but you could just turn the encryption off before toasting Windows...

    4. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by spacefrog · · Score: 2

      And of course microsoft decided to come out with encryption in W2K so those files would pretty much be lost

      NTFS encryption is an option that can be set on a volume/folder/file basis. You have to manually turn it on, so it's not like "oh this is a win2k box, this means all the files are encrypted and we are screwed".

      On another note, you don't lose the encrypted files as long as you back up the encryption key (not hard). Using the file system encryption without backing this up is very irresponsible since a dead installation, system drive failure, etc will cause these files to be lost.

      You act like file-system encryption is a bad thing. Oh wait, it's something from Microsoft and this is slashdot... never mind.

    5. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      I've been looking at this for a couple of weeks. Didn't try it on a 2k box, but it works just fine on 98se, ME, and XP Pro. Mounts the drives just fine. The WINE had problems running XP executables, but the 98se exe's worked fine. I even had the Starcraft map editor running in it no problems. Only problem I ran into was on one machine I had no sound,which had an SB16 ISA card, so I thought that was a little odd. Other than that, it works like a hot damn. I ran off copies for my parents to use to boot their computers in case Windows goes out to lunch on them (which happens, and they wait a month for me to visit and fix it) and they need to access the web. We're also looking at using it to replace a company's desktop OS with, as it does everything. We just need to modify it to accept a few presets and everything should be golden.

    6. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? You idiot, the _SYSTEM_ is supposed to be in NTFS. It's not like NTFS is new and untested or something. They've been using it since NT. There are plenty of tools for NTFS, if you don't know them, it just goes to show what an idiot you are.

      I mean who the fuck still uses FAT? No ACL! Kinda allows any users to fuck up the system?

      Dude, you don't know jack shit about windows NT line of OS.

    7. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by ax_42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      For the simple reason that you can have the Knoppix CD along in your backpack and you have a complete, useable Linux system along. While this will not allow you to fix every possible problem (it can't repair fried CPUs, for example), it is a lot more useful than a DOS boot disk.
      For a rescue CD that fits on the small CDRs (of which I ALWAYS have a copy with me) check Timo's Rescue CD. (Not my project, but I'm a fan). Plus, you can really show off Linux - pop it in the CD drive, boot it up, listen to the oohs and aahs. ax

    8. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by platypus · · Score: 2

      We have a similiar problem here (testing CD-ROMs, therefore we need any combination of e.g. winxx+servicepackyy+internetexplorerzz+with/withou t quicktime installed)
      What I did was setting up a seperate linux partition and a boot-menu, allowing you to restore previously done disk images of the systems. Much faster than reinstalling and _guarantees_ the exact same configuration you started this.
      Wouldn't that make your job easier (the 6 month reinstall cycle)?

    9. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by allanj · · Score: 2

      It would indeed - except the problem is that I don't want the exact same configuration 6 months later. New versions of half the applications, new much-needed Service Packs from M$ and so on. That said, I usually have IT service from my company put an image on the machine when needed, but I find that I use as much time upgrading/installing my apps as I would installing it all in the first place. But your idea is interesting if I make regular images of my *own* W2K installation though - maybe I should give it a try...

      Besides, having Linux on it is ALWAYS desirable :-)

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    10. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      Who still uses FAT?
      Some of us old farts that don't like losing everything on our systems when Microsoft Windows goes bump in the night.

    11. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by platypus · · Score: 2

      But your idea is interesting if I make regular images of my *own* W2K installation though - maybe I should give it a try...

      That was indeed what I meant, images of the original install was the right thing in our case, it is clealry not in yours.
      With a little scripting&boot manager magic + perhaps wake-on-lan one can even do scheduled nightly images.
      Add to that netcat+dd for windows (look on google for it, there's a standalone version), and it might really be possible to that on a live system (this is dangerous though, I assume) over the net.

      But what might be nice could be nightly differential backups, but since we have no use for that, I didn't try this.
      It might come in handy for you, though. See for instance Easy Automated Snapshot-Style Backups with Linux and Rsync.
      Sound neat.

    12. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by platypus · · Score: 1

      Scratch the last, I thought this were another side (which I don't find atm).
      What I was on to was to make daily images, but to just store the differential between a "master" and the daily state.
      I'm quite sure I've seen an open source way to do that.

    13. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by Zapdos · · Score: 2

      A little short sighted today? You can use dd to move your encrypted file system. You can use the network tools to verify your network. You can verify your hardware to be functional. Sound works with the cd, but not with windows. You can do so many diffrent things, if you choose to.

    14. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by inquisitor · · Score: 1

      Actually, FAT's more likely to lose your data; it's not the best filesystem in the world. And that, of course, is why NTFS (a fully journaled filesystem since Win2K) is there, and also why

      [inq@aragorn ~]> whereis mount_ntfs
      mount_ntfs: /sbin/mount_ntfs /usr/share/man/man8/mount_ntfs.8.gz /usr/src/sbin/mount_ntfs


      While I'm using FreeBSD, there's an NTFS mount under Linux too (if you compiled your kernel right); like FreeBSD's, it's just fine for data recovery. Reads my Win2K and XP NTFS partitions just fine. Of course, I've never had to recover off any of my NTFS partitions... my Win98 FAT partition is another matter.

    15. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by egreB · · Score: 1

      Well, I use FAT. Not for W2K, though. Win98 is the Windows distribution of choice, due to the one program that needs Windows (Adobe Premiere, and no, it does not run under Wine). Win98 is a little less bloated than the NT-based variants, and is easier on drivers, especially for old devices. It has happend twice that I've lost information from FAT (which is quite buggy) when Windows went bump into the night. But hey, that's what backups are for, right? And I keep all my important stuff on the ext2/3-partitions..

    16. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by roybadami · · Score: 1
      Most of the W2K installations *I* consider to be wise have a small boot partition for W2K (~4 Gigs - W2K and Windows apps are bootdisk space hogs [sigh]) which uses FAT, just so that any disk-analyzer can find out what's wrong with it THIS time.

      Except that by doing this you

      • Lose all security on your system as the OS install directory won't support file permissions, and
      • Make it far more likely that you'll need to use that disk-analyzer, since you've just rejected a modern journalling filesystem in favour of the simplistic design used by DOS twenty years ago

      IMHO, all wise Windows 2000 installations are NTFS-only. If I need to recover something from the disk, I'd use a bootable linux distribution.

      Personally I use Tom's Root and Boot, a complete linux distribution on a single floppy, but I've been meaning to give Knoppix a try...

    17. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by Tim+Browse · · Score: 2
      On another note, you don't lose the encrypted files as long as you back up the encryption key (not hard). Using the file system encryption without backing this up is very irresponsible since a dead installation, system drive failure, etc will cause these files to be lost.

      That is true, but I'd hardly call it irresponsible. Win2k/XP does not warn you about this at all when you encrypt a file.

      I used encryption on a couple of files, and then my Windows install died so I had to reinstall.

      It was only after I had done this that I realised I couldn't get my files back - basically the only way to get them back was to go back in time and archive the encryption info before my installataion failed.

      I guess it's kind of obvious when you think about it, but it would be really great if MS popped up a little dialog about this the first time you ever encrypt a file.

      I wonder how many people have files encrypted on an NTFS volume, and don't realise how easy it is to lose that data. Luckily for me, I had backups of the files in question.

      I just checked the help in Windows XP, and it certainly doesn't make this problem clear, even if you go looking for it. If you happen to know what a 'designated Recovery Agent' is, then you might find the information, but it's by no means obvious.

      Tim

    18. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by spacefrog · · Score: 2

      You are absolutely correct, there should be a friendly warning.

      I learned this lesson the hard way a few months ago when I upgraded my development box from 2000 Server to XP Pro a few months back. Since it won't let you do that as an upgrade and all I had on my C: drive was my Windows installation, I didn't think twice before telling it to just reformat the C drive....

      Bybye porn collection

    19. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh, who cares about your STUPID windows bullshit? Do I? No. Thank You.

    20. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by konmaskisin · · Score: 2
      And of course microsoft decided to come out with encryption in W2K ...

      Man, with an encryption layer NTFS must be even more blazing fast than the last time I checked. ...

    21. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by leighklotz · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I once had an NTFS partition go south because of a disk driver/chipset problem. NT refused to touch it (refused to mount it because it had errors; various utilities gave up). So I took the disk out and stuck it in a RedHat system, but I had to recompile the kernel to turn on NTFS reading. It worked great -- I was able to recover various important files. Of course, I had to reboot a lot, because once I touched a bad part, it would hang.

    22. Re:I found an interesting use for this distro... by allanj · · Score: 2

      I was under the impression that NTFS filesystems were readonly under Linux. This may be an outdated view of things, in which case you can just disregard the rest of this post, and *PLEASE* point me to wherever I can download full NTFS support for Linux.

      You are absolutely correct that I trade the robustness of NTFS for the quite primitive FAT by doing so. I knew that too. I fully understand that this will increase the chances of me having to take action, and it does mean that in actual fact. However, the tradeoff is - in MY opinion - justified since I can not easily repair an NTFS partition. Extract stuff, perhaps (see the first paragraph) - but not repair. *I* need repairing far more than I need extraction on my boot drive, since it doesn't (by definition) contain my actual work. I wouldn't trust a FAT system to hold my own work - NTFS for that job. But I much prefer frequent easy repairs to my bootdrive, rather than difficult (or almost impossible) repairs infrequently. Whatever can get me up and running again without having to reinstall everything is a Good Thing. God, how I HATE the Windows registry.

      The suggestion by platypus in reply to my post looks promising, since it will probably allow me to use NTFS (which I much prefer) *and* allow easy recovery. If I can get some more diskspace, I'll probably do it like platypus described.

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  6. Forensics and network trouble shooting by wavelet · · Score: 3, Informative

    We've used this distro for forensics and network trouble shooting.

    Because its on a CDR we know the tools are safe. We use dd to image a drive off via the network (piped to netcat/cryptcat), firewire, another drive etc etc... just add a few scripts to do some MD5 hashing an away you go.

    It would make network trouble shooting tool as well because you have your network tools, tcpdump, etherreal, etc to check out the network on any users desktop or laptop. You don't have to lug aroung your linux laptop.

    1. Re:Forensics and network trouble shooting by rakslice · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >>Because its on a CDR we know the tools are safe.

      Huh? What does it being on a CDR have to do with whether or not you can use it to modify the HD contents?

    2. Re:Forensics and network trouble shooting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forensics: The shit has already hit the fan and you don't want to touch it because you would ruin the great picture. For this kind of situation you want trusted ("safe") tools which do not modify HD contents.

    3. Re:Forensics and network trouble shooting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The utilities are read-only, so they can't be modified. It's the same with the kernel. You can run pretty much any program in this environment even if it's hooked up to the Internet and not have to worry about files being modified on the CD (unless you're running CD-RW, of course -- there are even certain drives that say they're read-only that can modify CD-RWs by tweaking the frequency of the read-only laser to be a write-only laser through a Linux module).

      Just be careful to set the 'hidden' flag on any partitions on the HDD to make sure unknown binaries can't see them.

    4. Re:Forensics and network trouble shooting by barc0001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>Because its on a CDR we know the tools are safe.

      >Huh? What does it being on a CDR have to do with whether or not you can use it to modify the HD contents?

      I think he means that because it runs off a CDR, you know it won't be tainted in the case of a breakin or a virus/worm running around screwing things up.

    5. Re:Forensics and network trouble shooting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Because its on a CDR we know the tools are safe.

      > Huh? What does it being on a CDR have to do with whether or not you can use it to modify the HD contents?

      If that was an "insightful" comment I truly am ready to die 'cos then I'd have seen it all.

    6. Re:Forensics and network trouble shooting by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      Trying to recover stuff from a disk with a bad sector at the start of \WINNT, I've had Microsoft Windows NT "helpfully" destroy the directory.

    7. Re:Forensics and network trouble shooting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5w33t !!

      where does one get the module?
      i'd love to have a cd-rw for the price of cd-drive :)

      AC

  7. this story was already told by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People commented about knoppix back when the story about the freebsd live on cd distro was talked about. Jeezuz how many f'ing repeats does slashdot have to do?

  8. Seti@home by Perdo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Full bootable Linux w/seti@home using my username. Perfect for every public machine I find that has network access w/dhcp enabled.

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    1. Re:Seti@home by pdbogen · · Score: 1

      That's cheating. The spirit of Seti@Home is to find aliens, or something. So, it's helpful. However, I don't think it's ethical for one to extend your scores using other peoples' computers. Make a generic account for that purpose, or else hereafter be labelled Bob. Yes, Bob.

    2. Re:Seti@home by Perdo · · Score: 2

      I don't want to be labeled Bob so I'll let you in on a secret:

      I'm downloading the Knoppix english version right now. It will take me a while to understand enough about Linux to create a bootable Seti distro that will work on any machine I put it in.

      It's purpose will be to boot linux/seti on my many machines without altering their existing OS installations/software suits.

      A freaky neat disk would be able to boot both x86 and PPC.

      Key words: I own every machine I run Seti on.

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    3. Re:Seti@home by pdbogen · · Score: 1

      This is the last post I'll make about this. However, "Perfect for every public machine I find that has network access w/dhcp enabled." -- Public machines generally aren't publicly owned.

  9. Well i did it several times.. by floydman · · Score: 1

    Well i did it several times, and i used redhat in the process, compile kernel to read NTFS and FAT32 volumes, and reboot, and voila, u can restore ur windows partition.

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    1. Re:Well i did it several times.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never tried compiling with NTFS write support. I've always been scared to (that DANGEROUS warning frightened me off). How "dangerous" is enabling NTFS write support?

    2. Re:Well i did it several times.. by floydman · · Score: 1

      Actually i never had the guts to try and actually write neither...

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    3. Re:Well i did it several times.. by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      IIRC, it (NTFS write) can be done with some GOTCHAs.
      Read The Fine Manual.
      There's something you need to do, with the shutdown sequence I think, or you WILL wreck things.

  10. SuperRescue by XNormal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Take a look at H. Peter Anvin's SuperRescue - it's a full Red Hat system on a floppy. It uses zisofs compression to fit it all on a single CD.

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    1. Re:SuperRescue by ElMiguel · · Score: 3, Funny
      it's a full Red Hat system on a floppy

      On a floppy? He must be using lzip.

    2. Re:SuperRescue by *xpenguin* · · Score: 1

      Why is every comment that mentions lzip moderated as funny?

    3. Re:SuperRescue by spudnic · · Score: 2

      From the site:

      What is lzip?
      Glad you asked. Lzip is an advanced file compression utility that generates smaller file sizes than either gzip or bzip2, and does so much faster. Lzip can achieve these goals because it it based on a so-called "lossy" compression scheme (most other utilties make use of slower, less efficient "lossless" compression). For more information, you can consult the Frequently Asked Questions list. Or, you can dive right in, grab the 1.0 tarball and start reducing your bloated files down to 10%, 15%, in some cases 0% of their original size!

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    4. Re:SuperRescue by *xpenguin* · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but now everyday I can find a comment that mentions lzip and gets modded up. If you download the "source code" you'll find that the "binary" is actually a picture of a monkey. (if i remember it right)

    5. Re:SuperRescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, xp. It's because the moderators are retarded motherfondlers on crack. I feel your pain, being the only other person who is a freak of "Bloody%20Bastard".

  11. Re:Linux Supports Terrorism: Here's The Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    July 13 was a saturday... You know the damn politicians would not be working on saturday.

  12. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't give a shit about any of this. Besides, I pronounce it Lie-nicks anyway.

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good on ya. That's the correct way to pronounce it. However, if I said it that way at a LUG meeting people would think I'm wierd.

    2. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with ya', my brother. Screw the LUGs.

    3. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Screw the LUGs

      Ob. Screw those LUG nuts...

  13. weird I read the same article and saw the same by dcstimm · · Score: 1

    weird I read the same article and saw the same comment. I didnt download it though.. Tell me how it is! looks cool.

  14. hmmm by dotgod · · Score: 1

    back in the day when pc's started coming standard with HD's, everyone was like "cool, now we don't need to boot from a disk" Isn't it odd that we're now back to being impressed by an OS that can be booted from a removable medium?

    1. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but how many pc's "back in the day" could be booted from a removable medium with as much functionality?

  15. Rescue is not the only use!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm involved in a HMI lab where we develop user interfaces ( GUI, hardware, ... ) in conjunction with the users ( navy submariners ). Being separated by 4000km we use an in house distribution similar to this ( inspired by linux from scratch ) to run our prototypes on there PCs and, via video conference, discuss the prototype.

    Just boot off the CD straight into the prototype, linux installation not needed, and when finished hit the reset button and remove the CD.

  16. Re:hmmm -but which is odder by vik · · Score: 2

    Is it odder that Linux boots of a CD, or that Windows does not?

    Vik :v)

  17. Distro for mum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How about this.

    Customize for your mother, put in all her ISP setup details, configure the desktop for web browsing and email, allow her to print email,pictures.

    Make it simple for her to use.

    I haven't done this yet, but when I get some time.

    1. Re:Distro for mum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless mom refuses to give up AOL.

  18. What about SuSE? by Mr.+Pibb · · Score: 2, Informative

    My (IBM Deskstar) hd died the week before finals last year. Luckily, I had ordered a free SuSE 7.2 LivEval CD (not sure if it's still offered). StarOffice, as well as Mozilla and Konqueror were all I needed to get my work done (and ftp my files off my comp). My K7V Dragon's onboard LAN and Sound were supported right off the bat, and I didn't have to have the 100mb of swap space on my HD it wanted for it to work well. You can get the ISO from here
    Thanks, SuSE!

    1. Re:What about SuSE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SuSE live evaluation CDs are available even before the corresponding installable version hits the ftp servers. SuSE uses them to advertise their product. BUT: SuSE live eval CDs write to the HD if they find "free" space. A filesystem container is created on DOS partitions and mounted as rw-storage. They do this so you don't have to go through hoops to save your configuration, but it also means that the SuSE live eval CDs are almost unusable for saving data from damaged filesystems, recovering deleted files and analysing compromised systems.

    2. Re:What about SuSE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct that SuSE Live-eval is less useful for system recovery due to it's desire to write to an available drive, but when used for it's intended purpose it is impressive.

      For system recovery, I have been experimenting with Demolinux 3.0 (downloaded from www.linuxiso.org). It works well for recovering EXT2 based systems and allows me to read/write tarfiles to an NFS exported filesystem. The only problem I have had has been the need to download the mkdev.ida script for creating the devices for a cpqarray driver.

  19. Some more "LiveCD" Distros... by Critical_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some more linux live cd distros:

    * DemoLinux - http://www.demolinux.org/
    Dedicated to bootable Linux CD distributions.

    * LNX-BBC - http://www.lnx-bbc.org/
    Business Card Sized Open-Source Bootable CD.

    * Mondo Restore/Rescue Utility - http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/
    Use a live bootable Linux CD for your system backups and recovery.

    * Linux - Live on CD - http://www.ocslink.com/~blunier/
    Linux - Live on CD. Hard disk not required

    * Dyne Bolic - http://lab.dyne.org/DyneBolic/
    Complete GNU/Linux operating system working without the need for any hard-disk.

    * Diskless Nodes - http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Diskless-HOWTO-3.htm l
    Includes information on creating your own live CD.

    * Virtual Linux - http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-linux
    Bootable Mandrake Linux distribution with 1.6 gigs worth of tools and toys on a single CD.

    FreeBSD LiveCD -- http://livecd.sourceforge.net/

    NetBSD LiveCD -- http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#live-cd

    1. Re:Some more "LiveCD" Distros... by HeUnique · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      This reminds me a question:

      Does anyone knows a backup tool (for CD-R, not tape) that can incremental backup? mindi/mondo combo is good - until you need incremental backup, my Linux partitions are 40 GB and I cannot afford tape right now. full backup with CD-R is ok for first full backup, but each week a full set of CD-R's?

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    2. Re:Some more "LiveCD" Distros... by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

      If you mean which of these don't need to write to the hard drive in order to run, The answer is all of them.
      But one of the advantages of these is that they can write to the HD for rescue repair work, or, at least in the case of Mondo, for restoring a backup.
      Russ

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    3. Re:Some more "LiveCD" Distros... by IDkrysez · · Score: 3, Informative
      Don't forget PLAC, the Portable Linux Auditing CD, which is very cool: Project Homepage... be sure to check out the design, they use a compressed system image on the CD, to fit a 200+ meg image into ~50megs! Tight.

      And the tools it comes with are designed for recovery and forensics, not demonstrating your sound and video cards.... so beware and enjoy!! The partitions are mounted read-only by default, for instance, and there are tools for undeleting files as well as for copying all data to a network-mounted filesystem, includes nfs samba ssh etc ;^]

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    4. Re:Some more "LiveCD" Distros... by Rob-G · · Score: 1

      I bought the Slackware 7 package made by Walnut Creek and it includes a ready to boot Slackware installation on one of the CDs.
      That was in November 1999. I assume they still do that.

      I used it a lot to fix MS-Windows installations that wouldn't boot anymore, or to backup windows installations over the network.
      I also used it to partition new drives so I could reserve space for a future Linux installation etc.
      It will even run XWindows without doing any configuration, but I didn't use that much.

    5. Re:Some more "LiveCD" Distros... by JHelgie · · Score: 1

      SuSE

    6. Re:Some more "LiveCD" Distros... by Arandir · · Score: 3, Funny

      They still do. That some Slashdot editor thinks live CDs are amazing new things does not negate the fact that live CDs have been around for years.

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  20. Re:hmmm -but which is odder by domninus.DDR · · Score: 1

    I know its not an OS, but the win xp cd does come with a decent recovery console.

  21. Re:hmmm -but which is odder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never tried it, but if you can boot DOS and Windows Setup off a CD, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to boot Windows 9x. You would just have to be a little creative (perhaps use a RAM Disk for anything that had to be written). It wouldn't be practical or useful for anything, but I think it's definatly possible

  22. Re:Slackware: Been there, done that by OSX+ROOT · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mac's have booted off the cd before this, just hold down the c key, no need for a boot floppy or changing BIOS. it just works.

  23. The most convincing Linux Evangelizer by rickymoz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When talking of Linux, a lot of people think it is still like DOS. When I tell them to boot the computer and in the meantime inserted Knoppix, they go like "wow! that's Linux?!?!" Usually the boot takes 3 minutes and I guarantee them I don't change anything on their disk. Telling them that they have 8000 USD value software on this disk and show them things like OpenOffice.org, Mozilla, The GIMP, KOffice, the games, they can't utter a sound.

    Even me, when I discover a new Knoppix CD, I cannot believe my eyes: every latest version is on it and it's running rock solid.

    1. Re:The most convincing Linux Evangelizer by feldsteins · · Score: 2

      they go like "wow! that's Linux?!?!"

      "Like, It has windows and menus and everything!" People who are that easily impressed by an operating system aren't the best case studies of the mind-blowing advancements in UI that Linux brings to the world of computing. Heh.

      Telling them that they have 8000 USD value software on this disk and show them things like OpenOffice.org, Mozilla, The GIMP, KOffice, the games, they can't utter a sound.

      Neither can I after reading the above. Suggesting that those half-dozen pieces of open source software are in some meaningful way "worth $8000" is bordering on the ridiculous. I thin what you mean to say is that they might adequately substitute for $8000 of commercial software. I would be quick to add that more often than not they don't. Hell if more than a few people agreed with you then Adobe, for example, would go out of business for lack of sales in the Photoshop department. Everyone would be downloading GIMP. Follow me? Most people don't find them adequate substitutes.

      This kind of breathless Linux advocacy is almost as bad as what one can often find on Macintosh discussion sites. In either case it doesn't do anyone any favors.

      That reminds me of one other thing about the original post. "AMAZING." What is amazing? Booting a functional OS off a CD? Shit, I've been doing that for years and years on Macintoshes. I even have 50 little boxes at work that have no hard drives, just boot Linux off the CD and serve as email / browsing stations for students in the university coffee shops. I'm not seeing anything amazing here. "Even the audio works." (insert gasps of amazement here.)

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    2. Re:The most convincing Linux Evangelizer by Mark+Hood · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm not seeing anything amazing here. "Even the audio works." (insert gasps of amazement here.)

      Having used Linux since 1.x days, on a variety of nasty, obsolete, and far-too-new hardware, I'm gasping in amazement.
      I never got sound working :)

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    3. Re:The most convincing Linux Evangelizer by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 1

      People who are that easily impressed by an operating system aren't the best case studies of the mind-blowing advancements in UI that Linux brings to the world of computing.

      Linux is hardly the leader in UI advancements. It's good for a lot of things, but the UI isn't much better than windows or a mac. While I know that MS didn't come up with the ideas themselves, they did get them in their products quickly. Linux is good at copying the innovators in UI, but isn't the leader by any means.

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    4. Re:The most convincing Linux Evangelizer by feldsteins · · Score: 2

      I was being sarcastic! :)

      the UI isn't much better than windows or a mac

      You're kidding me, right? "Isn't much better"?? It's quite obviously inferior to both. Yes, even Windows.

      I think this is mainly the case because good UI sometimes means taking away someone's ability to do something. Infinite choice on how to make something happen isn't always condusive to good UI. Linux users and developers (and there's hardly a difference) are not big on taking away someones ability to do something. This is primarily why I predict that when someone does make a distro with a good UI it will be universally hated by the existing Linux community. We'll see in time if I'm right.

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  24. Re:Linux Supports Terrorism: Here's The Proof by rakslice · · Score: 2

    Rofl... This is some press release with all the opium references replaced with mentions of open source software, right? =)

    Source code: The opiate of the people (the geeky ones, at any rate)

  25. Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... how celebrated booting off a CD is. Macs have been doing it for YEARs. Big whoop. ^_^ Okay, so with OS X install CDS, that did change, unfortunately. Hopefully Apple with fix that with the release of Jaguar.

    1. Re:Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bootable Linux install cd's, or even whole "mini" systems aren't anything new either, those too have been around for YEARS.

      But this is slashdot, you know.

  26. No Big Deal by archnerd · · Score: 5, Informative
    Linux Boot CD are not difficult to write. Here's how you can write your own in a few hours:

    1. Compile the system. There's a fanastic guide at linuxfromscratch.org.
    2. Set the fstab up to place all read-write hierarchies on a tmpfs filesystem. This include tmp, var, and portions of etc. Have copies of the initial state of thse filesystems in a separate directory on the CD and set the bootscripts up to untar them at bootup.
    3. Compile a highly compatible kernel. Basically, enable most things that cannot be compiled as modules and compile all modules.
    4. Use devfs with compatibility links. it cuts down on confusion as to what devices exist.
    5. Create an ISO of the filesystem, being sure to enable all options required for bootable CDs.
    6. Install lilo into the boot sector of the ISO.
    7. Burn the CD.
    8. Reboot and pray.

    1. Re:No Big Deal by Mr.+Mosty-Toasty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is a big deal if you do it like Klaus Knopper, the author, did it: He uses cloop to transparently decompress the CD-ROM image. Thus he can stuff 1.8GB on a 700MB disk.

    2. Re:No Big Deal by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Funny
      1. Compile the system. There's a fanastic guide at linuxfromscratch.org [linuxfromscratch.org].
      2. Set the fstab up to place all read-write hierarchies on a tmpfs filesystem. This include tmp, var, and portions of etc. Have copies of the initial state of thse filesystems in a separate directory on the CD and set the bootscripts up to untar them at bootup.
      3. Compile a highly compatible kernel. Basically, enable most things that cannot be compiled as modules and compile all modules.
      4. Use devfs with compatibility links. it cuts down on confusion as to what devices exist.
      5. Create an ISO of the filesystem, being sure to enable all options required for bootable CDs.
      6. Install lilo into the boot sector of the ISO.
      7. Burn the CD.
      8. Reboot and pray.
      9. ???
      10. Profit
    3. Re:No Big Deal by Bandito · · Score: 1

      I realize that I'm going to be modded down for posting this, but I just wanted to say, THANK YOU. I don't understand the big deal with this story. Anyone with a reasonable understanding of Linux and some spare time can set this up. I did it about nine months ago and even got so far as to have the CDROM drive detected automatically so that it needed be specified by lilo.

      If anyone's incredibly interested, I can send along the extra scripts that I wrote to search for the CD and do the initial copy from the CD to a tmpfs.

      Finally see a few replies down to you where someone connected this story to one a few days ago and added steps 9 and 10 to your instructions. :)

    4. Re:No Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compression wouldn't be so critical if he did it in English...

    5. Re:No Big Deal by DogOfKnowledge · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's that much of a big deal. What's a big deal is getting it all to work together. I boot my gentoo system with an initrd that would fit on a floppy (an emergency bootdisk), yet has busybox and a few other goodies...

      Plus, with enough ram, I'd prefer at the very least some decent tools preloaded to tmpfs on boot, in case the CD drive stops working -- that's where the compression through cloop falls apart.

      Speaking of gentoo, does anyone know of a gentoo bootable cd? I think I know how to do that... Of course, you'd compile everything before you put it to cd, and remove all the static libs, sort of a boot cd kit...

    6. Re:No Big Deal by bogeskov · · Score: 0
      > He uses cloop [knopper.net] to transparently decompress the CD-ROM image.
      What is wrong with the zisofs from the 2.4.* (I don't remember when it arrived).
      from: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Configure.help

      CONFIG_ZISOFS
      This is a Linux-specific extension to RockRidge which lets you store
      data in compressed form on a CD-ROM and have it transparently
      decompressed when the CD-ROM is accessed. See
      <http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/fs/zisofs/> for the tools
      necessary to create such a filesystem. Say Y here if you want to be
      able to read such compressed CD-ROMs.

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  27. Timo's Rescue Cd Creation Set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Timos Rescue CD

    This probably isn't as well suited for a super demo, but you can get the source, tweak it up as you want, and burn. Though the prebuilt iso is great as is for a rescue disk if you aren't into customizing it. Optionally the whole thing will load into RAM, freeing up the CD drive, say for if you've got data on CD that you want to access as well.

  28. Re:Slackware: Been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and Yaggdrasil had one back in 1994. It also worked, but was dog slow. Yggdrasil also had kludge that allowed use of MS-DOS cd-rom drivers inside linux in case of you had one that's not supported under linux.

  29. Re:Mod Parent down by FrostedChaos · · Score: 1
    Who said he was interested in ACL? For all you know, he might be the only user on his computer.

    It's quite common these days, you know. They call them "Personal Computers."

    As for whether FAT or NTFS is easier to fix, I have no idea. I use Debian, myself. But I can see why the parent poster might want to use FAT (which has been around a lot longer, and might have more tools available to fix it.) Remember that this is not linux, and new software for him to use might cost money.

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  30. perfect for showing win users it's their fault by Sankt_Nelson · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are runnning a Network in a large Student Apartment House, with about 500 PCs connected.
    Whenever someone starts shouting: "Hey my network doesn't function and it's all your fault!"
    You just go there, pop the knoppix CD into the drive, surf to slashdot, download some mp3s and tell him: "Nope, it's yours."

    You would not believe in how many ways you can misconfigure a personal firewall!

  31. our rescue disk by jsse · · Score: 3, Informative

    for our windows OSs is actually a Linux boot disk with parted

    (any major distro has parted) parted can copy, resize, move etc. partitions like a command line Partition Magic.

    Can't resize NTFS though, but we can still move it with dd.

    1. Re:our rescue disk by egghat · · Score: 1

      Yepp. And then add a user friendly HD backup programm to CD for all partitions types (this means scriptable for me --> I script it for my parents and they simply have to press
      a) for daily incremental backup to CD/RW
      b) for weekly full backup to CD/RW
      c) for full ghost like backup to CD once in a while).

      Most of the tools are there, but Mondi (and most other Linux on a CD Projects) miss NTFS access.

      Killer app IMHO, if you want to show people how useful Linux is nowadays.

      Bye egghat.

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    2. Re:our rescue disk by mikefoley · · Score: 2

      At the risk of losing karma for sounding like a dork, do you have these scripts available? I'd like to do the same for my neices and nephews and my Mom's SO. They don't grok command line.

      thanks,

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    3. Re:our rescue disk by egghat · · Score: 1

      Nope.

      If you don't need *all* of these features, Mondy/Mindi may be a good place to start looking. At last time I checked, it missed NTFS support and therefore is unusable for WinXP backups.

      Bye egghat.

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  32. FreeBSDToGo by zanzar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've created a piece of software which makes it rather trivial to create custom bootable FreeBSD CDs. With a little work, it could be used to make a bootable CD with the same functionality as Knoppix. Sadly, I have yet to write any documentation, and the code is in a fairly early stage. Feel free to check it out.

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  33. Knoppix for training purposes by kubla2000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oxford University is setting up Linux training courses. We're assuming that those on the course have little or no experience of Linux. We're using Knoppix for the course because it comes with the basic software that a user will need to learn and become familiar with the OS and it lets them take the CD home or to their office and play with it while making no permanent changes to their precious systems.

    My own project is run entirely on Open Source Software and it is my belief that spending public funds on licenses for office suites, web browsers, email clients, databases and webservers is money poorly spent. It seems that others in the university agree. A medium sized project can save thousands of (dollars, euros or pounds) by setting up staff with the basic tools for their tasks on an Open Source platform. Those thousands of pounds can often mean the project can bring in another researcher / investigator / clerical assistant.

    Getting fellow academics and their students to dip their toes into the Open Source Gnu/Linux waters through a bootable CD like Knoppix is very easy to do. We'll see how these training courses go but I'm hopeful that we'll see more projects migrating at least some of their staff from Microsoft to Gnu/Linux

    1. Re:Knoppix for training purposes by tgibson · · Score: 1

      "Getting fellow academics and their students to dip their toes into the Open Source Gnu/Linux waters through a bootable CD like Knoppix is very easy to do."

      I'll second this. Most students at the university where I teach programming classes are Windows savvy and Linux ignorant. Making them use Linux for the assignments is much less painful if you can offer them a home solution that doesn't require repartitioning their Windows drive (i.e. Knoppix).

      It also had a nice side effect. After trying out Knoppix for a few weeks, many asked for a full distro that they could load on their machines.

    2. Re:Knoppix for training purposes by frovingslosh · · Score: 2
      We're using Knoppix....

      Can you give me any info on how you burnt this to get a bootable copy? I downloaded KNOPPIX_V3.1-06-08-2002-EN.iso and burnt it on a Win98 system with EZCD Creator 4. But when I tried to boot it, the CD wasn't recognized as bootable, and when I booted into Windows, Win98 was very upset by whatever it saw on the CD when it tried to open it for the "my computer" window. I already downloaded, burnt and booted ISO images of Virtual Linux and Demo Linux, so it's not like I'm making a novice mistake or just can't boot a CD. I looked at it with IsoBuster and IsoBuster reports that it doesn't like the ISO image at all. Thinking I had a bad download I got another copy from a different mirror site, and found I had perfect byte by byte match to my original file. I then downloaded 2 copies of the older KNOPPIX_V3.1-04-08-2002-EN.iso with the same results. How are you burning your copies???

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  34. Mini-CD linux demo distribution by faqer · · Score: 1

    Did any of you heard about a demo distribution which fits on a 180MB Mini-CD disk ?

    That would be nice to carry everywhere a small disk with linux :)

    1. Re:Mini-CD linux demo distribution by Kredal · · Score: 5, Informative
      This is what you want...

      Linuxcare Bootable Toolbox

      It will fit on one of those oddly cut business card sized CDs, so will of course fit on a 3 inch CD. Enjoy!

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    2. Re:Mini-CD linux demo distribution by faqer · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about a 180MB sized iso diribution. Linuxcare is for recovery as http://www.hrlug.org/cddistro.html says. And I don't wanna spend time customizing it to fill the 180MB. Any other 50/180MB live distributions ?

    3. Re:Mini-CD linux demo distribution by mr3038 · · Score: 1
      so will of course fit on a 3 inch CD

      Do you also use 85mm floppy disks with the Lehnux operating system? There isn't such thing as a 3 inch CD. CDs come with the diameter of 12 or 8 cm and the credit card sized things only have some pieces cut off and can contain roughly 50MB. You know, that never-heard-of SI measurement called centimeter.

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    4. Re:Mini-CD linux demo distribution by roybadami · · Score: 1

      There isn't such thing as a 3 inch CD. CDs come with the diameter of 12 or 8 cm

      And 8 cm is approximately 3 in (just over three and one eighth of an inch, in fact).

    5. Re:Mini-CD linux demo distribution by roybadami · · Score: 1

      Do you also use 85mm floppy disks with the Lehnux operating system?

      Actually, I'd be rather surprized if the formal specifications for floppy disks were in anything other than milimetres...

  35. Yup. by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

    I've been playing with this for a bit, its coolish. It set up a working X environment alot quicker than I think I ever will be able to.

    And now the handful of mirrors are going to be permanently slashdotted... :-\

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  36. SuSE? by haukex · · Score: 1

    Call me ignorant but I don't see how this is any different from SuSE's Live Eval CD's... they've been around for years...

    1. Re:SuSE? by DoctorFrog · · Score: 2
      I won't call you ignorant, but there is a difference! The SuSE Live Eval requires some access to the hard drive - not much, but some.

      If your HD crashes and you can't replace it for a while you will not be able to run SuSE Live Eval, but you will be able to run Knoppix.

    2. Re:SuSE? by Kasperle · · Score: 1

      Well, IIRC the Knoppix CD started off as a LinuxTag project. It is not created by some Company trying to make you buy their Linux Distribution.
      Another thing: I think new versions of the Knoppix CD are released more frequently than SuSE Live Eval CDs.

    3. Re:SuSE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what's the big deal with SuSE's Live Eval CD's? Yggdrasil was doing this before SuSE ever existed.

  37. recursive post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  38. sorry to be anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see that a lot of people here use linux and know a lot about setting it up. I am however curious about what most linux distributions are used for. Is it mostly philosophy, or is linux a better programming env or what. If you are just getting e-mail or whatever and spend most of the day maintaining the system the main attraction has to be philosophical...

  39. Demo by kasperd · · Score: 1

    Nice with a demo bootable straight off the CD and no need for using the HD. This can be used to show all this Window$ users, what Linux is without having them repartitioning their harddisk.

    But there is a drawback. The CD is not a writable media, so the only writable storage this distribution has is RAM. This is bound to increase the need for RAM to more than what is the case with a HD install. Another problem is the performance, a CD is not as fast as a HD. The performance is going to be better on a HD. Some of the performance decrease can be circumvented by copying stuff to RAM, but this would increase the RAM usage and boot time. And probably you'd rather have the kernels caching handle this anyway.

    No matter how they do it, we will have people trying this CD and saying: "Linux boots slower than the OS on my HD, Linux requires more ram than the OS on my HD, and Linux generally perform poor compared to the OS on my HD."

    Some people might understand this, if the system on boot tells the user about this fact, but not everybody is going to understand it.

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    Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
    1. Re:Demo by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2
      No matter how they do it, we will have people trying this CD and saying: "Linux boots slower than the OS on my HD, Linux requires more ram than the OS on my HD, and Linux generally perform poor compared to the OS on my HD."

      The SuSE Live CD tells the user about slow bootup when starting. Also, it creates a couple of files on c:\ (they can be deleted afterwards) that contains your home directory and a swap file, so they don't have to worry about it using up all the RAM and they can even save documents with it! SuSE definately has this done very slickly indeed.

  40. Useful for workstations by fluedke · · Score: 1

    I am using the "Superrescue" Distribution which is also a CD-Distri in my company when I need to start up another Linux workstation, so I do not need to delete those wondonze stuff nor do I need to install a complete Linux on a computer I am using only once a month. The distri is a little slow in the first boot-up but it also brings Gnome and KDE with most programs. And when that's not enough you can just use it for a "diskless" workstation.

    I found the "Superrescue" here: http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/superrescue/v2/

  41. anyone else see the security issues here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im no expert, but couldn't you throw this into almost any pc and go through all the files on the hard disk, erase or copy anyhting you wanted, remove the disk, and bugger off without a trace?

    1. Re:anyone else see the security issues here? by MrDBCooper · · Score: 1

      Well, duh, there's no security except physical one.

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    2. Re:anyone else see the security issues here? by P-Nuts · · Score: 1

      If someone didn't want you to do that on a PC, then they could always disable CD (and floppy) booting in the BIOS, and then set a BIOS password. Voila, now the machine only boots from the hard disk.

      Of course, a really determined person could rest the BIOS, but they'd probably get noticed when they took the case apart to do so.

  42. I don't think you need to be anonymous by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

    ...to ask that question. But you will get a better response if you ask in a forum where it's not off topic. I think Ask Slahdot is a better bet. Give it a try there, I think it could genreate some good discussion. Russ

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  43. Political Success by senfman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some of my friends at the Socialdemocratic Party of Germany (it's the party of our current Chancellor) started with Knoppix as their first Linux distribution and are really happy with it.
    They were especially happy, that they didn't have to install anything. After seeing and using Knoppix this people are usually less preoccupied towards Linux, which is quite important, since the German government wants to force the use of Open Source Software.

  44. Re:hmmm -but which is odder by eggz128 · · Score: 1

    Theres a cut down version of Windows XP that [url=http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/s a/sam/winPe.asp]does[/url]. Of course it's incumbered with all sorts of restrictions IIRC, like rebooting every 24 hours or so.

  45. Re:hmmm -but which is odder by eggz128 · · Score: 1

    Dammnit, that was supposed to be this. Forgot where I was there for a minute.

  46. bulging eyes... by 4im · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... is what I got out of the instructor at the MS Active Directory course, when I just booted a Knoppix CD instead of the W2K Server on the harddisk.

    He ended up admitting that it was quite nice, and that indeed he and his colleagues were experimenting with RedHat... I wonder how long they'll remain MS Certified Training Center ;-)

  47. Use: recovery & demo by theefer · · Score: 1

    I think the two main use of Knoppix are :

    - rescue magically disappeared partitions on a win-only system (a friend of mine just used it for this purpose, please no reply about the uselessness of a win-only system)

    - show a friend that, yes, Linux works on their computer, and, actually, works really fine (if they have enough RAM though). Might be a good thing to give them this CD and let them play a bit with it (they won't screw up anything), and if they are interested, they're ready for the next step (removing windows and putting a nice linux instead :) ) !

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  48. Will d/l the thing and compare to my rescue FLOPPY by tulare · · Score: 2

    I have in my more or less constant posession an old AOL 3.0 floppy disk which has a working copy of something called tomsrtbt, which I have used countless times to rescue garbled Windoze partitions. 'Course, it can't handle NTFS, but networking support is amazing, and I have found it makes the world of difference for tasks like recovering from a screwed up Ghost client install, for instance. And the date thing is fun :)
    It will be nice to have something which is, ahem, more full-featured - many of my users get nervous when there isn't eye candy to look at.

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  49. impress your friends! by benson+hedges · · Score: 3, Interesting

    while the idea of using a boot-from-cd-distro would never appear to me, knoppix is unbeatable when it comes to "initiating the non-believers." I have seen knoppix detect and support some very weird hardware configurations, including but not limited to tv/radio cards, webcams, exotic soundcards and pcmcia cards, without asking for information or requiring a kernel update. so, the next time J. Random Linuxdisser talks about how no Hardware is supported, the installation is painful or whatever, invest the 30 cents for a CD-R and give him Knoppix. As of today, I got 3 people to convert from Windows to Linux with this nifty distro. Maybe they should rename it "Gateway Distro" ? :)

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  50. re:anyone see security issues? by one_red_god · · Score: 1

    Security is always relative. All the networking software and firewalls in the world won't stop me simply walking off with the whole box :)

  51. Doing partition to partition backups... by ctar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having fucked up my Linux box way too many times, I got in the habit of completely backing up my entire stable system onto a spare drive or partition. I found Knoppix, and now use it to do this. (I can still surf and listen to MP3's while doing a cp -a from one ro mounted partition to a rw paritition) It was really amazing. I got KDE up, network connection up, and listening to MP3's w/ XMMS within 2 minutes of booting. (I only had to make a minor change to XF86Config)

    Also, some of my colleagues go out to customesr sites and need some sort of net analyzer, but don't have sniffer. Booting into Knoppix and using ethereal is a great alternative!

    I intend to make copies and give them as gifts to colleagues who are on the fence about linux...

  52. good for notebooks by perplex79 · · Score: 1

    I occasionally use Knoppix to do work on a notebook that's not mine and has only Windows 98 (pre-)installed on its small HD. It works remarkably well and I just need to keep some config scripts on the HD (ie for LAN setup).

  53. Knoppix is great. by perlyking · · Score: 2

    I have tried v 3.0 (3.1 is out now) and its amazing, boot up and a minute or two later you have a full, good looking gui and all the tools you can think of including things like open office (who needs lindows with its poo assortment of progs). A few minutes after that I was browsing the web using mozilla, playing my mp3s from a shared samba drive on my dedicated linux box and checking my email.
    Tried it on a 256MB comp too and it ran fine there too, impressive considering it has no virtual ram and has to store tmp files on a ramdisk.
    now all I need is a 35MB linux cd to fit these 35MB business card sized cd's I bought, all the rescue disc type distros seem designed for 50MB ones.

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  54. Novell Netware Disk Imaging by RyuMaou · · Score: 1

    Well, okay, Novell uses their own version of a Linux kernel, but they've been doing it for more than a year. It's part of their ZENWorks for Desktops package. It makes a bootable Linux partition that will boot to the network and allow the ZENWorks imaging server to force disk images down to the desktop from the network.

    *sigh* Time to evangelize a little....
    I don't see many people talking about Novell here, or anywhere else, these days and it's a real shame. They pioneered the PC-based local-area-network market! Okay, sure, Xerox was working on the idea first, but Novell actually made some headway with it. *They* are the company that Micro$oft had to beat for years and years. In my opinion, Novell still has a better product than Micro$oft. (Never mind the fact that I'm Novell certified!) And, like I said, Novell has been using Linux boot partitions for way more than a year in corporate environments.
    Good luck, Novell. I hope you make a comeback soon.

    Thanks,
    Jim

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    1. Re:Novell Netware Disk Imaging by davidstrauss · · Score: 1

      Novell is a company composed of has-beens. They fail to create products that respond to customer demands for better features and still think they can get away with having only Java support on their servers. All they do is whine about Microsoft blocking their way when they could easily integrate and imporve upon the work of Samba. I can't tell you how much better our network has run since using properly-configured Windows 2000 servers with Active Directory instead of NetWare's pathetic attempt at client integration/control. Even totally non-Microsoft software has issues with NetWare: PageMaker on Windows 2000 won't link objects on NetWare shares. We have a fully Windows client base. If you don't, just run a *BSD server for the compatibility with Apple, Windows, and *NIX systems. Directory services can be implemented many ways, and that's Novell's only advantage over free software. I'm not certified by either company, so I have no incentive do bend the truth. P.S. Novell saying it's the leader in "Net Business Solutions" is like Compaq saying it's the leader vendor in iPaqs. If you define a category for yourself to the exclusion of all others, you will be the best at it.

    2. Re:Novell Netware Disk Imaging by thehunger · · Score: 1

      Wake up!
      NetWare has native support for CIFS, NFS and AFP file system protocols in addition to it's own NCP. That means you can access NetWare servers without a Novell client. It also supports WebDav and http. It can use eDirectory or domains for authentication. The server can be managed through a browser.

      Obviously you haven't payed attention in class. What? You thought just because -you- had some issues once Novell would never improve?

      Novell as a company has changed too, you know.
      It delivers cross-platform products and services, and Linux is one of the platforms it considers strategic. The others are Windows NT/2K/XP, Solaris, Aix.
      The company has embraced open source software and has ported Apache, Tomcat, Perl. PHP, MySQL and even JBOSS are in the works.

      You obviously dont know what you're talking about but unfortunately you're not unique. Novell isn't a has-been, it's a strong survivor after the dot.com fallout and coming back. The Net Business Solutions tagline might sound stupid to you but that's because you have no clue what Novell is about these days and what they deliver (some 150+ products in addition to NetWare). Again - you're not unique.
      I'll agree that Novell sucks at marketing. Not as bad as a few years ago, but they still suck.

      Oh, and yes I work for the company.
      Yes I love it. Yes I'm biased.
      No, it doesn't change the fact that you didn't know what you were talking about. You're still clueless.

  55. The ol' slash & burn solution... by erik_fredricks · · Score: 1

    I once had my house hit by lightning, which fried the Windows box upstairs. Motherboard and power supply were toast. The owner decided it'd be cheaper just to buy a new computer (it was one of those emachines things), but wanted to recover the data from the hard drive, if possible.

    I opened the case to my Suse box, plugged up the drive, added a line to fstab and rebooted. I was able to mount the drive, pull the data off, and burn it to a cd. The whole process took, oh, forty minutes.

    That's another, albeit more painful way, to do recovery, but it works. Last time I checked, Windows won't even acknowledge the existence of ext2 or similar filesystems...
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  56. Is there anything like this for PowerPC? by hysterion · · Score: 2

    Linux, NetBSD, Darwin, either would be great. (Or would the need for open firmware / bootX / yaboot prevent such a thing?)

  57. ot cheap ide disk? by gimpboy · · Score: 1

    hey.

    have you considered a cheap ide disk for backups? a 40gig drive would cost you about $70.

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    -- john
  58. nice distro ... and nice slides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, it's a nice distro. But he also made some very nice slides. They look great in Acrobat Reader, with the effects and navigation. Anybody out there who know how he did this ?

    Maybe i can finnaly trash PowerPoint!

    1. Re:nice distro ... and nice slides by knopper · · Score: 1

      pdflatex and hyperref.sty plus some own macros.

      Regards
      -KK

    2. Re:nice distro ... and nice slides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is also possible for you to use scribus, which also is available from the Knoppix CD...

      Scribus is an upcoming DTP-Publishibng program for Linux, which also supports navigation, ...

      cu

      Fabian

  59. Re:Slackware: Been there, done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A.C ---
    Carefull your showing your age :)

  60. All this means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is that the x86 hardware and firmware environments have converged enough to enable an ability that Mac OS has had ever since it was available on CD-ROM (the mid-1990s or so).

    Quite an achievement, considering the chaos and legacy hardware prevalent in the market.

  61. Using Knoppix Right Now.... by JayAndSilentBob · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After reading about it on Slashdot, I downloaded Knoppix 3.1 (I love my Cable Modem), disabled my hard drives in BIOS and booted it. Here I am, 10 minutes later. This is a truly amazing peice of software. I just might take it to Best Buy or a computer lab at the local community college to get some weird reactions. Convertomg people to Linux by abandoning CD-R's in public computers just might work. The only problem that I ran into was having to reset the H-Size scaling for my LCD panel. But all-in-all, an EXCELLENT package.

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  62. What's the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Live CD-ROM linuxes have been around for ages.
    I distictly recall that when I around 1995 got into Linux, there was a live cd-rom slackware available. It even had a sort-of delta-filesystem that allowed you to make changes to CD-ROM contents (it just saved the parts you had changed into a harddisk file, or something)

    Same goes for rescuedisks in general. They've been there since the beginning. Lots of people make them. Heck, I even I've made a few customized rescuedisks for systems with non-standard filesystems.

    I won't even comment on autodetecting hardware. Ever since PCI bus came, every device tells it's ID and it's then trivial to load the correct module. I doubt that the latest kernel with fully loaded set of modules would take even 4MBs of space.

    OTOH, making something as complex as KDE3 on live cdrom system is something new. If I were to boot my computer, I could try knoppix to check out KDE3.

    Next step, ditch the CDs and set up PXE/Etherboot + nfsroot system. Then it's just plug'n'play. Or even boot-over-wavelan.. Then you won't even need to plug it. :-)

  63. A good way by bobbinFrapples · · Score: 1

    to take advantage of cheap net applicance devices that you can get to boot off external CD.

  64. RIP by captfi · · Score: 1

    I don't use this one but I do use RIP (can't think of URL). The funny thing is I use RIP to install Windows XP embedded on to systems because MS doesn't ship a tool to do it (simply that is). The great thing about RIP (and probably the distro in question) is that you can get it to boot from the network. So I can bulk install XPe on to machines as well :)

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  65. Re:Will d/l the thing and compare to my rescue FLO by AYeomans · · Score: 1
    I think TomsRtBt can handle NTFS, but you have to insmod it first.

    And my floppy disk was previously labelled "Windows NT Recovery Disk" which seemed too appropriate to change!

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  66. Re:hmmm -but which is odder by dougmc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here's some instructions for making a bootable Windows 98 cd. This doesn't boot you into DOS -- it boots you into Windows, with the GUI, registry, etc. all up and working. And it all works off the cd.

    Haven't had a need to try it myself, but if you need it, you can find the instructions here.

  67. Giving talks by KjetilK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, I thought about this a couple of months ago. The use I thought about is this:

    I create a presentation with KPresenter, Impress or something similar. I burn the presentation onto a CD together with a live Linux distro. Many good auditoria have a good projector, but connected to a windoze computer. So I pop the CD in the PC, boot it on Linux and give my talk.

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  68. Demonstration ... blah !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was demonstrating linux to a friend using virtual linux CD on his Dell Latitude. And it failed in detecting his monitor type... So I tried using the latest SUSE Live CD.. and again the same problem...

    My friend was convinced that he's not yet ready for linux..These Demo CDs should concentrate on things like hardware detection than performance.. me thinks !!!

    1. Re:Demonstration ... blah !!! by knopper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some hardware is NOT auto-detectable at all, so you have to make "sane assumptions", or have a dialog ask you for your graphics card, monitor-type, everything...

      Question: Would the other operating system have auto-detected the correct display modes without you putting in a vendor-supported "driver floppy disk"?

      Regards
      -KK

    2. Re:Demonstration ... blah !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont know about installing other OSs.. the laptop cane preinstalled with XP.. However, my point is this was supposed to be demonstration... and it failed miserably to impress my friend ..

  69. Ooops.... by XNormal · · Score: 1

    I meant a CD, of course.

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  70. RMS oughta be happy with these guys... by smithmc · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...from the front page:

    What is KNOPPIX®?

    KNOPPIX is a bootable CD with a collection of GNU/Linux software...

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    1. Re:RMS oughta be happy with these guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's GNU/KNOPPIX dammit!

  71. Knoppix install script! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Knoppix Install script to install to HD! I haven't tried it! But if they were impressed with the live distro why not make it your own!
    http://mailman.linuxtag.org/pipermail/debian-knopp ix/ 2002-June/000529.html /.

  72. be-happy by psicE · · Score: 2

    This is cool and all, and I'll be downloading it and testing it out soon. But this just goes back to the ultimate boot-from-CD OS: Be.

    Be's installer is very simple; it's reminiscent of the installers for DOS games. When you put a Be boot CD in your drive, it loads up the OS, completely runnable off the CD. (Yes, I know that Be-provided images don't run anything but the Installer, but that's not the point - if you make a custom image, it can run whatever you want.) You go to the Be menu, then Applications, then Installer, select a partition, and go; beyond that, there is absolutely nothing you have to do. Reboot, and you're in BeOS.

    Not only is there no configuration at all (beyond partitions, and even that can be automatic) that you have to do during Install, almost everything is auto-configured after install, too.

    Mandrake may require no more expertise to install than Windows, but Mac OS is quite a bit easier, and Be is even easier than that. Linux should learn from that example.

  73. Yes, this is (-1) Troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    AMAZING. Even the audio works.

    See, even Linux geeks think it's amazing when something actually works without recompiling everything a few times...

  74. Great for Windows-Linux switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone at my work was trying out Knoppix on his Win2k box to see how Linux worked with his various hardware. The beauty part is he didn't have to mess with his Win2k setup, so he could go back to using Windows any time, but it went so smoothly that I don't think he's going to.

    Someone else was kicking around the idea of bringing Knoppix on trips to get around possible (software) keyboard sniffing devices installed on internet cafe machines.

  75. Can this be used as a rescue disk for Linux part.s by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Can this be used as a rescue disk for Linux partitions? When I tried it with DemoLinux, it couldn't see the hard disk, but it would be nice to have a rescue disk that would let one use the graphic tools, instead of trying to fumble at the command line with no man files.

    Of course, I'd prefer if the tools that I used recognized the ext3 file system, but that's no *major* problem.

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  76. Mame on Bootable CD by CitizenFish · · Score: 1

    Looh what I did at http://www.phased.co.uk/xmame

  77. Possible criminal charges !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Realize that there was a case where a Sys Admin for a Public US University was fired, fined and faces possible prison sentence (I think the case is still ongoing) for using the network bandwidth and computer time after hours for seti@home !!

    There was atleast 1 /. article about it sometime within the last year.

  78. Knoppix is Great by xtremex · · Score: 1

    Similar to SUSE on CD but has different software installed. I carry around my Knoppix cd when I have to use an MS workstation. I can't do my job properly on Windows, so without removing windows from the workstation, I can still have my Linux! I've also used Linux on a Live Filesystem to do Windows disk repairs. Especially since most of the Linux on CD distros have memcheck....

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  79. Windows from CD by xtremex · · Score: 1

    You CAN make windows run from CD. I have an article on my site about it.
    Note: Prepare a weekend and expect to make a lot of Coasters. :)

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  80. Re:hmmm -but which is odder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Of course it's incumbered with all sorts of restrictions IIRC, like rebooting every 24 hours or so.

    Nothing new there, I'm running the version of Win98 that has to be rebooted every 24 hours or so - if you're lucky.

  81. you forgot... by dredick · · Score: 1

    9) ? 10) Profit

  82. Using it for POS systems by gregfortune · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just got it setup for a client running Point of Sale systems. Most of their machines are Linux based and our POS software runs just fine, but we haven't ported the printing to Windows yet, so running the software on the Windows machine is not possible.

    When the client is offsite and needs a bunch more computers, we can now just grab a couple of spare Windows boxes, stick a CD in and boot up a fully functional Linux system with our software installed and configured. The process for adding your own software is listed in their English forum and I can help anyone out who's interested. Post a reply here and I'll check when I get back from Reno, NV on the 12th.

  83. WOW!!! it just *works*? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    could not be true, but seems to be. It tested it (shortly) on 3 systems, two "normal" standalone PCs with absolut "default, noname hardware", one has never run any linux at all, and on my notebook (HP Omnibook XE3, running SUSE 7.0 with new kernel & stuff) - it worked everywhere. The sound for the notebook took me about 2 hours when setting up SUSE, and it just *worked* with this CD. Of course nothing to really work with, but a great proof-of-concept, and great to make fast backups on crashed systems, repair configs etc.

    GREAT WORK DONE HERE, MAKE SURE TO CHECK IT OUT!

    *weeping*

  84. Linux compiling by Luke-Jr · · Score: 1

    I found this very useful for cfdisking, formatting, compiling and setting up my new Linux system. Wish it had more different apps such as GNU Nano and MPlayer though... And an option to override the RAM limits (KDE works fine w/ only like 32 MB)

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    1. Re:Linux compiling by Oopsz · · Score: 1

      KDE does work fine w/32 megs, but Knoppix decompresses it's applications on the fly to ramdrive, and the applications need some space in RAM to be decompressed to-- which means knoppix has a higher ram requirement than plain kde installed to your hard drive.

  85. Any HD Free Distributions for Tinfoil Hat people? by the80y · · Score: 1

    I was wondering if there are any distributions available that take a self contained bootable CD like Knoppix and combine the secure/paranoid features like in Tinfoil Hat Linux http://tinfoilhat.cultists.net/

    I would love to have a distro that could be used to securely use networking apps and office tools that has no possibility of leaving a data trail on your computer. Something that only used no HD but could read PGP keys or write encypted data to a or from a Thumbdrive. Thumbdrives have high size to storage ratio and are easily portable and easily hidden or destroyed when necessary.

    I think this would be a good tool to use in places highly succeptable to snooping.

  86. OT: incremental backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im interested in working on something like this and would like to get more information about what youve got in mind. I tried to send you an email, but delivery failed. Could you goto http://rgbrenner.cjb.net/contact.html and send me your current your email address? Thanks. (Posting anonymously because its OT)

  87. Hands-on Linux demo in non-Linux lab by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The Linux Users Group of Davis used DemoLinux CDs to turn a lab full of Win2K PCs into a lab full of live, ready-to-use Linux boxes for an Intro to Linux class we held.

    The 2nd time we did this, we simply used fullscreen VNC. In both cases, the boxes looked like an average Linux box... we just didn't need to do any partitioning or installing or annoy the IT department. :^)

    At the Whole Earth Festival at UC Davis last year, we handed out about 100 DemoLinux discs to passers-by, so they can try Linux out at home without installing anything.

  88. Re:Will d/l the thing and compare to my rescue FLO by ustawas · · Score: 1

    'Course, it can't handle NTFS

    insmod ntfs

  89. I just created a bootable Quake server by gosand · · Score: 2
    I was talking to some ex-coworkers, and we used to play Quake Mega-Team Fortress over lunch at our old company. Luckily, I saved an archive of the server, and wanted to get it back up and running. We even had a map of our office layout, and a couple of other custom maps we created.

    I looked into Knoppix, bt it wasn't as customizable as I wanted. So I used timos rescuecd . It gives you the basic distro, and you can add whatever else you want. I just plopped in the quake directory I had archived, and ran the utility to create the ISO. Now I have a bootable Linux Quake server. All I have to do is boot it up, configure the NIC, and start the server.

    I could have configured the NIC before creating it, but I wanted to keep it generic so other people I know can use it. I know a guy who runs AIX, so he couldn't host the server. Now he can, and we can get the old Quake gang back together.

    I looked into how to create a bootable distro, and it wasn't as straightforward as I had hoped. Sourceforge and freshmeat to the rescue!

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  90. works great here, with "noswap" boot line option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my home computer I had to start with
    knoppix noswap

    Knoppix is beatiful... I'll have to try to create a customized Knoppix boot CD, and try out the floppy disk startup script option, too.