Why is this modded offtopic? The guy just said what everyone else was thinking: "Oh, you mean a net cafe! Why didn't you just say so?"
The article leads off with "...Korean-style cybercafes..." which might make you think that a "PC-baang" is different from a net cafe. But they're not. I've spent years in Korea and the cyber/net cafes there are the same as everywhere else in the world. Crowded, not crowded, cheap, expensive, smoking, not smoking, waitress, no waitress, eating allowed, not allowed...
I don't think there is a v4l driver for this card, unfortunately. Seems like there are a lot of new chipsets out these days without linux support.
I have a wintv-pvr-250 that works perfectly in windows. Great picture at full screen on a 19" monitor. I hardly ever use it though cause I'm lazy to reboot.
I understand that Conexant released the source for a reference driver for this card (why I bought it in the first place) that kind of works. If they went that far I don't understand why they refuse to release the specs to write a real driver for it or write they're own.
And where did you find this out? Point me somewhere that says this? Read the documentation, dont jump to conclusions.
Okay, you should of followed your own advice. This is from an interview with John Manferdelli, general manager of the Windows business unit that is building Palladium.
PressPass: How will Palladium differ from digital rights management (DRM)?
Manferdelli: First off, Palladium will not require DRM, and DRM will not require Palladium. Palladium is a great complementary technology to the DRM solutions of tomorrow, but the two are separate technologies.
Also, after reading all of the official MS "documentation" you should read this reaction from the Register.
Or anyone elses DRM technologies for that matter. The fact is MS is only "opening" up with this licensing deal because they realize they have to if their DRM model is going to make it. Please continue with Mplayer and Xine development WITHOUT any drm implementation. Don't buy music online if DRM is a requisite.
I guess us libertarian geeks will just have to set up our own channels of communications.
Does anyone know if it's feasible to build local wans around the country and then start linking them together to create a "public" internet? I'm thinking about routing in particular. Is there anyone already working on something like this?
If I was Bill Gates I'd make up a phony coporation to release the LinuxGaming Distro with full support for DX8.1. Then after it was the most popular distro out there I'd call a press conference and let everyone know it was really me. Of course I'd lose millions on the distro and place my own monopoly in serious danger but boy would it be funny (if I was Bill).
Imagine if someone invented a device that you could plug into your MPAA-approved-but-we-don't-hate-them-this-week DVD player that would automatically cut out all 'objectionable' content from movies.
Hey, that's a pretty cool idea. You don't have a patent do you?
I want to get a mod chip bought I'm still wary of buying things from online retailers. You'd think that if CompUSA sold them they'd sell one with every Xbox sold. If I had a store I'd do it. I don't see how MS could argue the premise "If I buy hardware I get to do whatever I want with it."
I wish someone in the states would do it, just so they could subpeona Bill Gates in court. "Say Bill, is it okay if I lock my xbox in the closet and never take it out? Well what if I hit it a few times with a 3 lb. sledge? Can I put wheels on it and ride it on the sidewalk? Are you saying that it should be illegal to run Linux on an Xbox? What's that? Linux should be illegal?
I always see posts explaining that Nvidia can't open the source to their drivers because of some proprietary technology they're not at liberty to reveal. I think your explanation is probably more accurate. ATI is not near as good as Nvidia at writing drivers and Nvidia would naturally want to keep it that way.
The only way I see for ATI to strike back would be to open everything, including the tv-out specs.
Hey, read my post again. I said drivers are the only problem I have with linux.
I use linux because I like it. Maybe you use it because of some personal philosophy or a political agenda, it sounds like it.
Question - Is linux an OS or a concept? Maybe you should consider things like who the hell are "you people" and what the hell makes you think you're not one of them? In other words YOU are not on the inside of this "linux" thing so that you get to say things like "you people". It's a group thing, and there is NO demarcation line of inside and outside. Merely going to CompUSA and buying a distro, hell even downloading one for free puts you in the group.
My post is an opinion (maybe a rant, but this isn't a dev mailing list, it's/. for chrissakes). No one has to listen to my opinion, but I get to have one.
FWIW, I don't have something to be mad about, but I do get tired of the linux is a gift attitude. It is NOT as you called it, a hobby O/S. It's a business and people are paid salaries to develop it. Oh, I "get" the linux community, open source community, gift economy whatever concept. But things are different now and there doesn't seem to be enough people (you) who realize it.
Thanks, I have them. btw, a beta for the pvr 250 exists, but not on Hauppauges site. The pvr 250 driver doesn't really work, and that's why I'm learning C, and trying to learn how to use GCC (the 3.2/2.95 thing is complicated for me yet) properly. Maybe in a few years I'll be able to write/help write a driver.
I agree with you on all counts. In fact, that's why I gave away my GeForce card and got a Radeon. I have a 7500 that works perfectly with dri and a 9000 that I'm postive will also work perfectly, one day. But as sure as I am that the open source driver will outperform the binary, I also think that the hardware vendors themselves should support linux and if that means a binary module, well, at least it's something. I hope that linux developers don't take steps to make this more difficult.
There's a poster above who says that if the binary module is not distributed with the kernel then there is no GPL concern. I believe this is true. I also think that there is a bias among some kernel developers against binary drivers. While I understand this attitude, I object to it.
Somehow my point went right over your head didn't it? My post wasn't so much about the radeon 9000 or about the wintv card. Let me try again:
Good luck telling people like Alan Cox that. They could care less about what you think. In fact I'm pretty sure they have never cared for what people like you think. They care about only one thing, and that is pushing out an open source kernel. So far they've done a pretty good job at it IMHO.
So stop your bitching, Sunny Dubey
First off Alan Cox seems like a pretty decent guy from what I've read and I think he does care what user's think, even one user. Second, the whole point of my post is "I pay, I get to bitch, period." No one has to pay attention to what I say or change their behavior/priorities because of it, but I still get to do it. You need to get the "if it's open source you don't get to complaing about it" idea right out of your head. This is no longer a hobby dude. It's a business. That means customer service issues fucking matter.
When a new product comes out on the market, the box almost always includes a cd with a windows driver on it. That driver is written and supported by the manufacturer of the product.
I love linux but I want so bad to be able to buy the latest neates thing and have it just work right away in linux and not a year later. Right now I have a radeon 9000 pro and a wintv pvr 250 I'm struggling with.
Drivers are the ONLY issue I have with linux and because of that I'm trying to learn C but I have so far to go and in the meantime I have to just be patient and wait for the vendor to produce a driver or for some linux developer go buy the same card I have and make it work. That's all fine and dandy except for this one thing: Some of these kernel developers are PAID to develop the linux kernel. That's right, it's their JOB. Not to show any disrespect to those kind hearted souls who sacrifice their spare time to do a community service, but as an enduser who has paid far far more for linux distro's than I ever would have paid if I was using Windows I have a right to insist on support for ME the end user. I have purchased Redhat 7.1, Mandrake 8.2,9.0 and every Suse since 6.2. It's my opinion that the kernel developer employed by the distro's have an obligation to develop the linux kernel with me in mind. And I want drivers. I don't care if they're GPL or not. I want hardware vendors to write the driver for the hardware they sell and distribute that driver WITH the hardware. And I want that driver to just work. That means the linux kernel must allow it to work. Politics and personal philosophy regarding open source have nothing to do with the discussion. I'm a paying customer and I should be treated that way.
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I once dated a girl that let ed powers cum on her ass. It kind of bothered me.
Sorry, I was just trying to be helpful. If he didn't know that he had the option to restart the xserver instead of rebooting, then why does that seem to offend?
I always that it was interesting that genisis (I think it was genisis) says this:
Genesis, Chapter 6, Verse 3:
"And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."
And in the 60's Leonard Hayflick comes up with the "Hayflick Limit" which basically says that human cells can only replicate so many times so that no matter what you do you can only live to be about 120 years old. Might be just a coincidence but it's still interesting.
Wow, are you wrong. Are you saying that you have some employees who are quite capable of building a computer, installing Win2k, setting up the network, installing all the need apps, getting the printer going, etc., but this same employee isn't capable of doing it with Mandrake or Redhat or SuSE? Or, are you saying that you have some employees that need everything done for them so that they just have to "show up" and get to work?
I (and this is not bullshit) know 11 year old children that can install Linux, OpenOffice, setup the network and the printer, download install AND use blender, mplayer, and wine/with Kazaa. And it's to hard for you? For shame...
Linux has only one shortcoming, and that's drivers.
Personally I think the people who run the sci-fi channel deliberately torpedoed the show.
They run ads for sg-1 everyday. They hardly ever run ads for farscape.
Sg-1 is on for like 16 hours a week. Farscape?
They put farscape in the absolute worst timeslot there is - friday night at 10pm. At that time the world is asleep or well on their way to oblivion.
I recently polled nearly all of my non-geek friends (I'm a commercial fisherman so I have a more than a few) and not a single one of them had ever heard of farscape. But they have all heard of sg-1.
For the commercial though, they should of hired Chiana (gigi edgley), the
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That's the only reason I'm following this story. and now that I've followed it and discovered icculus has a native mohaa client, for that too.
I'm disappointed "day two" didn't even mention the two most important happenings.
Washington has a sales tax. Over 8% I think.
Why buy online and pay tax AND shipping?
Why is this modded offtopic? The guy just said what everyone else was thinking: "Oh, you mean a net cafe! Why didn't you just say so?"
The article leads off with "...Korean-style cybercafes..." which might make you think that a "PC-baang" is different from a net cafe. But they're not. I've spent years in Korea and the cyber/net cafes there are the same as everywhere else in the world. Crowded, not crowded, cheap, expensive, smoking, not smoking, waitress, no waitress, eating allowed, not allowed...
Whatever.
I don't think there is a v4l driver for this card, unfortunately. Seems like there are a lot of new chipsets out these days without linux support.
I have a wintv-pvr-250 that works perfectly in windows. Great picture at full screen on a 19" monitor. I hardly ever use it though cause I'm lazy to reboot.
I understand that Conexant released the source for a reference driver for this card (why I bought it in the first place) that kind of works. If they went that far I don't understand why they refuse to release the specs to write a real driver for it or write they're own.
And where did you find this out? Point me somewhere that says this? Read the documentation, dont jump to conclusions.
Okay, you should of followed your own advice. This is from an interview with John Manferdelli, general manager of the Windows business unit that is building Palladium.
PressPass: How will Palladium differ from digital rights management (DRM)?
Manferdelli: First off, Palladium will not require DRM, and DRM will not require Palladium. Palladium is a great complementary technology to the DRM solutions of tomorrow, but the two are separate technologies.
Also, after reading all of the official MS "documentation" you should read this reaction from the Register.
Or anyone elses DRM technologies for that matter. The fact is MS is only "opening" up with this licensing deal because they realize they have to if their DRM model is going to make it. Please continue with Mplayer and Xine development WITHOUT any drm implementation. Don't buy music online if DRM is a requisite.
I guess us libertarian geeks will just have to set up our own channels of communications.
Does anyone know if it's feasible to build local wans around the country and then start linking them together to create a "public" internet? I'm thinking about routing in particular. Is there anyone already working on something like this?If I was Bill Gates I'd make up a phony coporation to release the LinuxGaming Distro with full support for DX8.1. Then after it was the most popular distro out there I'd call a press conference and let everyone know it was really me. Of course I'd lose millions on the distro and place my own monopoly in serious danger but boy would it be funny (if I was Bill).
Imagine if someone invented a device that you could plug into your MPAA-approved-but-we-don't-hate-them-this-week DVD player that would automatically cut out all 'objectionable' content from movies.
Hey, that's a pretty cool idea. You don't have a patent do you?for a mod chip for my xbox.
I want to get a mod chip bought I'm still wary of buying things from online retailers. You'd think that if CompUSA sold them they'd sell one with every Xbox sold. If I had a store I'd do it. I don't see how MS could argue the premise "If I buy hardware I get to do whatever I want with it."
I wish someone in the states would do it, just so they could subpeona Bill Gates in court. "Say Bill, is it okay if I lock my xbox in the closet and never take it out? Well what if I hit it a few times with a 3 lb. sledge? Can I put wheels on it and ride it on the sidewalk? Are you saying that it should be illegal to run Linux on an Xbox? What's that? Linux should be illegal?
I always see posts explaining that Nvidia can't open the source to their drivers because of some proprietary technology they're not at liberty to reveal. I think your explanation is probably more accurate. ATI is not near as good as Nvidia at writing drivers and Nvidia would naturally want to keep it that way.
The only way I see for ATI to strike back would be to open everything, including the tv-out specs.
You know, I can't argue with you at all. You're right. I just get tired of paying cash and yet being made to feel like a freeloader.
Hey, read my post again. I said drivers are the only problem I have with linux.
/. for chrissakes). No one has to listen to my opinion, but I get to have one.
I use linux because I like it. Maybe you use it because of some personal philosophy or a political agenda, it sounds like it.
Question - Is linux an OS or a concept? Maybe you should consider things like who the hell are "you people" and what the hell makes you think you're not one of them? In other words YOU are not on the inside of this "linux" thing so that you get to say things like "you people". It's a group thing, and there is NO demarcation line of inside and outside. Merely going to CompUSA and buying a distro, hell even downloading one for free puts you in the group.
My post is an opinion (maybe a rant, but this isn't a dev mailing list, it's
FWIW, I don't have something to be mad about, but I do get tired of the linux is a gift attitude. It is NOT as you called it, a hobby O/S. It's a business and people are paid salaries to develop it. Oh, I "get" the linux community, open source community, gift economy whatever concept. But things are different now and there doesn't seem to be enough people (you) who realize it.
Thanks, I have them. btw, a beta for the pvr 250 exists, but not on Hauppauges site. The pvr 250 driver doesn't really work, and that's why I'm learning C, and trying to learn how to use GCC (the 3.2/2.95 thing is complicated for me yet) properly. Maybe in a few years I'll be able to write/help write a driver.
I agree with you on all counts. In fact, that's why I gave away my GeForce card and got a Radeon. I have a 7500 that works perfectly with dri and a 9000 that I'm postive will also work perfectly, one day. But as sure as I am that the open source driver will outperform the binary, I also think that the hardware vendors themselves should support linux and if that means a binary module, well, at least it's something. I hope that linux developers don't take steps to make this more difficult.
There's a poster above who says that if the binary module is not distributed with the kernel then there is no GPL concern. I believe this is true. I also think that there is a bias among some kernel developers against binary drivers. While I understand this attitude, I object to it.
Somehow my point went right over your head didn't it? My post wasn't so much about the radeon 9000 or about the wintv card. Let me try again:
Good luck telling people like Alan Cox that. They could care less about what you think. In fact I'm pretty sure they have never cared for what people like you think. They care about only one thing, and that is pushing out an open source kernel. So far they've done a pretty good job at it IMHO.
So stop your bitching,
Sunny Dubey
First off Alan Cox seems like a pretty decent guy from what I've read and I think he does care what user's think, even one user.
Second, the whole point of my post is "I pay, I get to bitch, period." No one has to pay attention to what I say or change their behavior/priorities because of it, but I still get to do it.
You need to get the "if it's open source you don't get to complaing about it" idea right out of your head. This is no longer a hobby dude. It's a business. That means customer service issues fucking matter.
bitch.
When a new product comes out on the market, the box almost always includes a cd with a windows driver on it. That driver is written and supported by the manufacturer of the product.
I love linux but I want so bad to be able to buy the latest neates thing and have it just work right away in linux and not a year later. Right now I have a radeon 9000 pro and a wintv pvr 250 I'm struggling with.
Drivers are the ONLY issue I have with linux and because of that I'm trying to learn C but I have so far to go and in the meantime I have to just be patient and wait for the vendor to produce a driver or for some linux developer go buy the same card I have and make it work. That's all fine and dandy except for this one thing: Some of these kernel developers are PAID to develop the linux kernel. That's right, it's their JOB. Not to show any disrespect to those kind hearted souls who sacrifice their spare time to do a community service, but as an enduser who has paid far far more for linux distro's than I ever would have paid if I was using Windows I have a right to insist on support for ME the end user. I have purchased Redhat 7.1, Mandrake 8.2,9.0 and every Suse since 6.2. It's my opinion that the kernel developer employed by the distro's have an obligation to develop the linux kernel with me in mind. And I want drivers. I don't care if they're GPL or not. I want hardware vendors to write the driver for the hardware they sell and distribute that driver WITH the hardware. And I want that driver to just work. That means the linux kernel must allow it to work. Politics and personal philosophy regarding open source have nothing to do with the discussion. I'm a paying customer and I should be treated that way.
I once dated a girl that let ed powers cum on her ass. It kind of bothered me.
Of course it would be difficult if all you looked up was p0rn.
On the other hand, if anyone can find a girl who divides her day between fps's and a.b.p.e.*, google can.
Sorry, I was just trying to be helpful. If he didn't know that he had the option to restart the xserver instead of rebooting, then why does that seem to offend?
Then I rebooted, and all the sudden it worked. Maybe you just need to restart your x server?
I always that it was interesting that genisis (I think it was genisis) says this:
Genesis, Chapter 6, Verse 3:
"And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."
And in the 60's Leonard Hayflick comes up with the "Hayflick Limit" which basically says that human cells can only replicate so many times so that no matter what you do you can only live to be about 120 years old. Might be just a coincidence but it's still interesting.
Rob
Wow, are you wrong. Are you saying that you have some employees who are quite capable of building a computer, installing Win2k, setting up the network, installing all the need apps, getting the printer going, etc., but this same employee isn't capable of doing it with Mandrake or Redhat or SuSE? Or, are you saying that you have some employees that need everything done for them so that they just have to "show up" and get to work?
I (and this is not bullshit) know 11 year old children that can install Linux, OpenOffice, setup the network and the printer, download install AND use blender, mplayer, and wine/with Kazaa. And it's to hard for you? For shame...
Linux has only one shortcoming, and that's drivers.
Personally I think the people who run the sci-fi channel deliberately torpedoed the show.
They run ads for sg-1 everyday. They hardly ever run ads for farscape.
Sg-1 is on for like 16 hours a week. Farscape?
They put farscape in the absolute worst timeslot there is - friday night at 10pm. At that time the world is asleep or well on their way to oblivion.
I recently polled nearly all of my non-geek friends (I'm a commercial fisherman so I have a more than a few) and not a single one of them had ever heard of farscape. But they have all heard of sg-1.
For the commercial though, they should of hired Chiana (gigi edgley), the
sexiest.girl.ever.