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PC Baangs In America

VonGuard writes "Ahoy hoy! I've written a new article for the East Bay Express about the rise of the PC Baang in the Northern California Bay Area. While in Korea, Starcraft is still the most popular Baang game, here in the US, Counter-Strike reigns supreme. Are these to be the malt shops and arcades of our time?"

231 comments

  1. Violence in Video Games by HBPiper · · Score: 5, Informative

    Saw on the news yesterday that one of the Dem's from CA is proposing that cyber cafe's be fined if minors are found to be playing violent video games. More to follow.

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    1. Re:Violence in Video Games by Xenius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Aside from the fact that that idea is stupid, I think it would kill many cybercafes before they even get started. If your state makes a law that keeps a large percentage of your customers from being customers, how do you survive?

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    2. Re:Violence in Video Games by HBPiper · · Score: 1

      I agree the idea is stupid. Here is the bill.

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    3. Re:Violence in Video Games by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's California for you. Parenting by legislation. I mean, my god we can't expect the parents to actually PARENT now, can we?

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    4. Re:Violence in Video Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When someone mods me down, I just post again.

      Gojira Shipi-Taro is a whore. A dirty lying crappy stinking karma whore.

    5. Re:Violence in Video Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on!

    6. Re:Violence in Video Games by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't always one's own kids. As far as an army of soccer moms is concerned, the problem is someone *else's* kid, and the law is meant to keep *him* from becoming a psychopath that guns down her own peace-loving, well-trained child.

    7. Re:Violence in Video Games by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      I'm even less inclined to accept legislation that's intended to make the ignorant (soccer moms) feel better than I am legislation intended to allow parents to be lazy.

      Legislation like this that achieves both in one fell swoop is something California has perfected, and unfortunately tends to infect the rest of the nation with.

      Now legislation that would strip soccer moms of their license for endangering others by yaking on their cell phones and doing other things in their mini-vans and SUVs that interfere with their driving and endanger others... THAT I could support.

      Watched an idiotic soccer mom hang her SUV off an overpass because she wasn't paying attention while she was talking, scared herself by getting too close to the vehicle in front of her, and lost control of her vehicle. Luckily she didn't kill anyone (like me). Hopefully she's never allowed to drive anything bigger than a unicycle again.

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    8. Re:Violence in Video Games by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      California is far less censorious a place than much of the rest of the country. You should see the court battle now going on regarding medical marijuana - the Feds are trying to shut it down, the state is trying to protect it. The difference between California and middle America is than in Cal, when the soccer moms try to pull something like this, the ACLU is all over them like ants to a picnic. In the Bible Belt, these laws get passed without review all the time.

  2. Ca is behind the times by Emperor+Shaddam+IV · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I found some of these in the Philippines back in March of 2000 in Manila. They had gaming cafes setup to play several 3-D games on a LAN. In addition they had standalone machines for surfing the internet. Nothing new.

    1. Re:Ca is behind the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Even in 2000, game clubs were nothing new.

      Back in the Famicom days, Manila had game clubs full of Famicoms hooked up to small monitors, with a pay-per-hour rate. Reason? Game arcades with coin-op machines are illegal there, but playing the same games that can be played at home isn't (yay for circumventing lame laws).

      I visited family there a long time ago, when I was 8. As an American-born kid, the idea of playing ZELDA, in JAPANESE, on a FLOPPY, on this strange tiny red NES in an ARCADE blew my mind. These were pre-Nintendo Power days, before American gaming press ever started providing any insight at all into Japanese games culture, or even how powerful the Japanese gaming industry was becoming. The cousin who was showing me around wasted a good few hours waiting for me while I beat Zelda on the trip to the mall when I first discovered these places.

    2. Re:Ca is behind the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Thailand is the Korean game Ragnarok most populair.

      This is an RPG game, but much larger are and more connected people than the american and japanese versions. The Korean software publishers make very nice games and work good on older hardware too.

      check out: www.ragnarokonline.com

    3. Re:Ca is behind the times by lpret · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. I lived in the PHilippines since I was 4, and I remember Virra Mall like nothing else. Ever since Famicom with it's 3000 games in 1, and the SNES, and on and on, until about 2000 when PCs started taking over. By my senior year in high school, I was playing CS at a internet cafe, back in the day...*sigh* I'm getting old

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  3. CStrike Rulez by jhampson · · Score: 1, Funny

    I loooove Counter-Strike. I've been playing it for years.
    The thing I don't get is....why do I still suck? I mean I really suck. I'm most always the first one dead. I have a 2 ghz and a cable modem, so I can't blame the machine any more. ;(
    Guess I just go running in guns blazing cuz it's so damn fun.

    1. Re:CStrike Rulez by Psmylie · · Score: 4, Informative

      ....why do I still suck?
      Relax. It's not you. Everyone else has a speed hack, wallhack or aim bot, and the top people usually have all three.

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    2. Re:CStrike Rulez by JSkills · · Score: 0
      Wow - if I had mod points I'd give them up for this post.

      I used to dominate in Quake and when playing CStrike (with a brand new beefed up PC), I experienced the same feelings of SUCK that the parent poster did.

      Thanks Psmylie.

    3. Re:CStrike Rulez by Tarpan · · Score: 1

      haha.. but sadly, it is not far from the truth. A lot of people cheat, since they can. If there is a way to cheat in an online game there will be cheating, and if there is no way... someone will come up with a way ;)

      And CS trusts the clients waaaay too much which opens up all sorts of cheats.

    4. Re:CStrike Rulez by mmol_6453 · · Score: 1

      There's certain things you can do to make it harder to cheat, even with open source Quake.

      For example, you can monitor the speed at which player objects are moving. When Neo says, "There is no spoon," the server can say, "Ooooh yes ther is."

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    5. Re:CStrike Rulez by Gropo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now THERE is a F$ck!ng thought!

      Intorduce Matrix 'Agents' in to a server that sense a hacker and ghost through walls at 400% speed to knife/chainsaw/razoredge their ass in the heart every time they respawn.

      So much more frustrating to the hacker than being kickbanned.

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    6. Re:CStrike Rulez by Quill_28 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I struggle with this statement. I don't cheat and never have in cs. I am considered a good player but have played against players who were much better than I.

      I hate saying I am doing bad because someone is cheating, but sometimes it really seems like they are cheating.

      I have also been accused of cheating, and most times they don't believe me. Frustrating both ways.

      I don't play alot, and always from home(married with children), but if I was younger LAN parties would be great, at least so there would be no cheaters!

    7. Re:CStrike Rulez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      aim high, just above the head.

      If there is more than one player do a quick crouch, or jump to crouch, and then aim a little high. Also make sure to only send 2-3 bullets each time, pratice burst firing.

      If there is more than a couple of opposing players, side step. Do not move forward just side to side, bursting and aim for the head.

      Headshots are the key. Or just become really good at the awp since it is way overpowered anyway.

      But you will annoy people.

    8. Re:CStrike Rulez by Talon33 · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you consider cheating as well.

      Personally, players who run around with the awp by aiming with the desert eagle, switching over to their awp in air while strafing and turning in a 360 and magically head shotting 3 people on the way down ... well ... to me thats almost cheating. ;p

      CS put a lot of time into realism (gun info, kickback, accuracy of guns, taking damage, etc etc) but then they let pople run full speed while holding an awp which is a heavy ass gun that you can't rung around and use ... I dare someone to try. IF these are used in the field, its from a secure location, far far away from the field, and the shooter is VERY stationary, as you really can't aim one steadily like you can in CS.

      Anyway ... ban awp, hehe.

      -Talon

    9. Re:CStrike Rulez by Quill_28 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I completely agree, also would you rather be hit by a desert eagle in the back or an awp from 10 meters.

      I could be wrong but the eagle would leave a much bigger hole than an awp.

    10. Re:CStrike Rulez by Bohnanza · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the joy of online gaming. Everybody cheats, and if you don't cheat you can't win. This is one of the reasons why when I want to play "multiplayer", I just play boardgames. There is significant incentive NOT to cheat at our old-fashioned face-to-face gaming club (see slightly informative website) - if you're a known cheater, nobody will play with you anymore.

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    11. Re:CStrike Rulez by icedcool · · Score: 1

      Usually the people that complain about people having speed "hax", wallhack or aim bot are the same people that aren't good enough or will never be good enough to get into a clan or play competitivly. It's so obvious when someone uses one of these that you can usually get an admin and ban em, or with all the adminmod servers you can admin_vote_kick em out or you could (gasp) leave the server. If your playing for fun, then play and stop bitching. If you suck, play with harder people rather than in the same noob server every day. Just like anything, CS takes work to become good at, and the people that are cal-i, super skillz are usually the same people that spend 4-5 hours a day playing.

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    12. Re:CStrike Rulez by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      A better open source Quake is FuhQuake, which is updated more frequently than QuakeForge. Not only that, but FuhQuake is more stable. Why pay money for more of the same? Just play Quake. Its free.

    13. Re:CStrike Rulez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, the best part is that this was modded as "informative". Here's a hint, people of /. : sarcasm _does_ exist, and it's already infiltrated your power structure.

    14. Re:CStrike Rulez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes but due to the far higher velocity of the awp round the DE round is less powerfull then the awp round.

      round energy = 1/2mass X velocity squared

    15. Re:CStrike Rulez by NotAnotherReboot · · Score: 1

      Why is the parent of this modded up as informative? The really good players don't use cheats (see CPL- some of the best players in the world come to play and obviously without cheats). Valve Software recently implemented into Counter-Strike which has cut down cheating considerably, it stops programs from hooking it, they can auto update the cheat protection (like PunkBuster, but much more reliable), and they also have a wallhack block in place that actually stops people successively running a wallhack (and if it's popular enough, the cheat will be sent to valve by someone and killed) from seeing enemies behind walls even with the wallhack turned on by not sending them the player data.

      The parent's post is a typical mentality among many people who don't know what they're talking about in regards to Half-Life. Some of these people even justify cheating because "everyone else is doing it" regardless of if it is true or not.

    16. Re:CStrike Rulez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, there really is a group for every loser.

    17. Re:CStrike Rulez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there is. We're in the AC club, ourselves!

    18. Re:CStrike Rulez by Psmylie · · Score: 1

      Actually, I was joking. I forgot to use my /sarcasm switch :)

      What's funny is that I was modded up as informative, and not a single mod for "funny"

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  4. Orthography by kahei · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Does anyone know why the korean word is being transliterated 'baang' with two 'A's? I don't remember it being anything other than a regular A sound in Korean.

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    1. Re:Orthography by fr2asbury · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think "PC Bang" might be a registered trademark of the Pr0n industry.

      Jonathan

    2. Re:Orthography by dochood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes.

      It is being transliterated that way, or else Americans would pronounce it "Bang" as in "Bang, Bang, you're dead."

      The a makes the sound of a in "father".

      Almost like "bong" (like the pipe), but with a longer, drawn out sound.

      It's not the standard way to transliterate, but Americans get most of the standard tranliteration sounds wrong (unless they are familiar with the system and the Korean alphabet, Hangul.)

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    3. Re:Orthography by dochood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, yeah...

      And "Baang" simply means "Room".

      PC Baang == PC Room
      Norae Baang == Song Room (Karaoke Place)

      dochood

    4. Re:Orthography by los+furtive · · Score: 1

      And so Pho(e) Bang means soup room? It's all starting to make sense now!

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    5. Re:Orthography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to know hangeul to be able to pronounce Korean properly. It only helps.

      And what does "baang" look like to me? It looks like "bah-ang." Whether elongated or pronounced in two quick syllables, that just comes out sounding very stupid.

      But then, Korean has a long history of being written in dumb ways. Witness "Seoul" for "Suh-ool."

    6. Re:Orthography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, this is explained therein.

      -1, over

    7. Re:Orthography by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      Hmm, so I guess I have been pronouncing "Do Chang" wrong then?

    8. Re:Orthography by dochood · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what Pho(e) is, but "Baang" could have several meanings. Another that comes to mind is "direction".

      Korean is made up of Native Korean and Sino Korean. Sino Korean is made up of words borrowed from Chinese (represented by Chinese characters). Korean has no tones, like Chinese, so words with different tones often get represented with the same Korean pronuciation and spelling. This is why, even though Korean has a wonderful alphabet, they still use Chinese characters in a lot of publications, because it helps clarify which word is meant, if it is unclear merely from the phonetic spelling.

      dochood

    9. Re:Orthography by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Err...Pho is Vietnamese not Korean, though the Baang may be the same. I don't know Vietnamese so I couldn't say for sure.

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    10. Re:Orthography by dochood · · Score: 1

      "Doe [as in female deer] Jaang" (where J is somewhere between "j" and "ch")

      I'm assuming you are talking about the word which means "a place to learn and practice Tae Kwon Do".

      dochood

    11. Re:Orthography by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Everything's easier using SKATs...God I miss being able to spell a Korean word in English characters and have people know what the hell I meant and how to say it.

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    12. Re:Orthography by dochood · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it!

      My wife's name is "Sang Cha", and she's heard so many variations on it, that she's just given up, and says "Yup, that's me!"

      I'm a little more anal about it myself!

      dochood

    13. Re:Orthography by DrPascal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah ... and it's "ok" to call a bookstore a "chack bahng" or a "chack ka-gay", (I believe ka-gay is 'store'), but you couldn't say "pizza bahng", because supposedly it sounds really stupid to Korean people. At least the exchange students I know.

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    14. Re:Orthography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Written in Hangul (?):

      Çǽà æ?
      ë æ?

      (Can you believe that when I type this Korean stuff that it enacts the "YELLING" lameness filter?)

    15. Re:Orthography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't work! How can I display Korean characters within the text? Slashdot seems to have converted them to junk.

    16. Re:Orthography by certron · · Score: 1

      "Does anyone know why the korean word is being transliterated 'baang' with two 'A's? I don't remember it being anything other than a regular A sound in Korean."

      While I don't know any korean (ok, a few characters and a few swear words) the two places near me (central MD, rt. 40) name themselves PC-Game in white letters on a green background, as well as the accompanying korean text. One of them does have "bang" and not "baang" on their store awning. (One of them inhabits the place that a christian bookstore once occupied, but the bookstore moved a few plots away, in the same shopping area.)

      One thing that I found interesting was that both the stores sell manga and other books. I'm a little curious as to whether this is market-driven or ordinance-driven, as I remember a porn store (conveniently located on the opposite side of the street from above-mentioned christian bookstore) that started stocking a whole huge amount of old used books, in order to comply (or skirt) an ordinance about its products and the nearby housing developments (being within 1 mile of them or something). Erm... I only went into the porn store because the paper said they were closing... Yeah... That's plausible... Besides, it is easier to buy things online! Doh! Did I say that out loud?

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    17. Re:Orthography by HardwareLust · · Score: 0

      When TechTV did their bit on the popularity of PC Baangs in Korea several months ago, I noticed that the signs they had there in Korea indeed said "PC Baang" on them.

      They started it, not us.

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    18. Re:Orthography by dochood · · Score: 1

      Oops! Duh, no "F" sound in Korean! Silly mistake!

      Um, well, I really thought he meant the aspirated "P" sound! Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!

      dochood

    19. Re:Orthography by fistynuts · · Score: 1

      Watcher of Korean Sit-coms and Soap Operas

      Oh please no. Don't make me remember them!
      However I probably only hated them because I didn't understand a word that was being said (except for things like 'bap' and 'hof' of course!).
      Actually I think 'hated' might be too strong a word - after watching them for a while I got the feeling that I was fairly sure I knew what was going on... :)

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    20. Re:Orthography by syle · · Score: 1

      We get it right! It's the WORLD that's wrong!

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    21. Re:Orthography by pogle · · Score: 1

      I'm in Catonsville often...where on Rt. 40 are these places at? Wouldnt mind taking a look for curiousity's sake.

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    22. Re:Orthography by Niomosy · · Score: 1

      Also, it's not quite a B sound. American's tend to just pronouce it either as a B or P. It's a bit of a cross between P and B. My Korean instructor beat that one into me pretty well. My wife, too ;)

      Of course, the tongue twister for me was always the lyu sound with these characters (pathetically drawn in ASCII)...

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    23. Re:Orthography by certron · · Score: 1

      One is in the Normandy Shopping Center, near the Ledo's Pizza (formerly Giovanni's, I think). The Adult Video store is on the other side of 40 (the north-going side), Normandy Shopping Center, and the 2nd baang is up the road (closer to Baltimore) from it next to the Papa John's pizza. Look for white text on a green background in english ("PC-Game") and korean. One of them used to be next to the Burger King that is farther down rt. 40, away from Baltimore, but that whole building is getting emptied. There was the baang, and an auto glass shop, and a hair salon, and a golf shop, etc. Well, whatever. I hope those are OK directions.

      I went once when they just opened, and it was $2/hr to start, but they said it would be $3/hr for the 1st hour after that. The rates go down the longer you stay. Hopefully no one will die from fatigue while there. Then again, that might be the only way to actually win a game with some of the people there. :-)

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  5. Starcraft still R0x0rs! by gerf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    *craft takes strategy, which is probably why c-strikers don't play as much. yes, i played c-strike, beta 3 - v1.1, and i must say that i now like to play starcraft broodwars a LOT more than cs.

    of course, i also wonder if those koreans have hella old machines that won't play cs, but will play starcraft. you know, that whole i-want-to-eat-so-i'll-delay-upgrading-my-computer deal. (i'm late for class, so, no, i didn't read the article.)

    1. Re:Starcraft still R0x0rs! by Emperor+Shaddam+IV · · Score: 3, Informative

      They are up to snuff in Asia. Most everyone I met in Philippines was running Win 95/98 on Pentium II's. This was 2 years ago. And Korea standard of living is much higher than the Philippines. Once again, the US view of the world is skewed. If anything, more is available in Asia and Asia is plugged in. When I was in Tawain, there were street vendors selling hardware and software!!! In addition to huge indoor markets selling everything from digital cameras to power supplys. This was back in 1999.

    2. Re:Starcraft still R0x0rs! by jhines0042 · · Score: 1

      Not to nit pick your view (which I appreciate hearing) but I've heard that many of those street vendors are selling "perfect forgeries" of real software cheap. Meaning that it has been pirated and pirated so well that you can't tell. The software works, sure, but its been manufactured illegally. (Like fake the Rolex you might buy on the streets of any major city in America)

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    3. Re:Starcraft still R0x0rs! by Tarpan · · Score: 1

      I like to play broodwars a lot more than cs too, and it is not because of my computer (I get 72 fps in cs in 1600x1200, and i do not need any more :)). I simply think broodwars is a much better game, it is far more balanced and fun to play.

      In CS you do not really play that much (unless you are really good and live the whole time), most of the time you are observing and waiting for some moron to step out of his hiding place for the last 50 rounds. Broodwars you play constantly, there is no waiting. There is always things to do, and not to mention that there is no thing or feature that is best. All have their weaknesses and strengths.

      That is why I think it is still played a lot.

    4. Re:Starcraft still R0x0rs! by iannn · · Score: 1

      you think cs doesn't take strategy? so what if played from beta 3 - 1.1, you probably sucked.

    5. Re:Starcraft still R0x0rs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(i'm late for class, so, no, i didn't read the article.)" So, you can reply to article you havent read, spout a load of shit and still get +3 interesting? New supply of rock for the mods I assume?

    6. Re:Starcraft still R0x0rs! by Emperor+Shaddam+IV · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, for the software. But the hardware there is real. There is a lot of stuff in Taiwan, Japan, Korea. Neat Stuff made there, that never makes it to the US.

  6. spam relays by cloudmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    So *that's* where all of those open mail relays are at - they're installed on game servers in baangs...

    1. Re:spam relays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny? Yea, but in a non ha-ha sort of way. South Korea's game rooms are a weeping sore on the face of the internet: open relays, zombies, and an infection rate that makes the black death look non-communicable. It's a rare day my firewalls don't see a dozen lame trojan attempts from South Korea. As for relays, I can't tell you how bad it is these days since I ceased accepting any mail from Korea over a year ago. Too bad for the Koreans, but if they don't learn something... anything... about security, they will run into firewalls the world over that block them based on their nation code.

  7. Virtual Cyber Cafe by patch-rustem · · Score: 5, Funny

    Image if they could simulate that thrill of actually sitting next to the person you're killing. That would be a real killer app.

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  8. Baang? by tcdk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not just write "internet cafe" or "net cafe" instead of Baang, which nobody know what mean? later on you could tell us that they are call Baangs in korea.

    Why is it that people seem to go out of the way to make /. headlines either stupid or impossible to understand?

    Anyway, I've been playing C/S on net cafe for a couple of years here in Denmark (bi-weekly).

    Lately a lot of people has shifted towards Battle Field 1942 though.... could be the next big thing..

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    1. Re:Baang? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that people seem to go out of the way to make /. headlines either stupid or impossible to understand?

      Look no further than who from SlashDot posted it to find your answer. Also the reason why you were so quickly and vindictively modded down.

      You're right, of course. Calling Internet Cafes "baangs" is just plain fey and affected. It's not like they are a new phenomenon in the US.

    2. Re:Baang? by visualight · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded offtopic? The guy just said what everyone else was thinking: "Oh, you mean a net cafe! Why didn't you just say so?"

      The article leads off with "...Korean-style cybercafes..." which might make you think that a "PC-baang" is different from a net cafe. But they're not. I've spent years in Korea and the cyber/net cafes there are the same as everywhere else in the world. Crowded, not crowded, cheap, expensive, smoking, not smoking, waitress, no waitress, eating allowed, not allowed...

      Whatever.

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    3. Re:Baang? by seagar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Lately a lot of people has shifted towards Battle Field 1942 though.... could be the next big thing.. next big thing? I thought Brock Lesnar was the next big thing. Maybe they don't get World Wrestling Entertainment in denmark.

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    4. Re:Baang? by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Because a "NNN cafe" has drinks (coffee being the standard), and usually a small quantity of food as well as some NNN. A "NNN Baang" is nothing but a room full of NNN.

    5. Re:Baang? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "NNN Baang" is nothing but a room full of NNN

      Uh, That's why English speakers usually call them "PC Rooms" or "Game Rooms".

      AFAIK, the term "Baang" is only used by boat people and guys who think they are l33t because they watch Asian cartoons.

  9. Not as long as people have their own... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember a place like this just off campus, when I was in school. They basically had a LAN, with VR headsets hanging over the chairs. We went in a played Quake and X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter for an hour once. Since we were all accustomed to the setups on our own PCs, we all played horribly and decided that the whole idea sucked. I think as long as people have their own game rigs, they won't spend time in these places.

    It's the same reason that there's so many "cyber-cafes" in places like NYC. Living space is small with less room for desktops, so people go to a coffee house to use one.

    1. Re:Not as long as people have their own... by cTbone · · Score: 1

      I haven't really seen too many "cyber-cafes" in NYC. In reality, I've only found three: two in the Village and one in Chinatown. Compared to Asian countries it isn't really a large number to be found in one city. I'm sure there are more, but they aren't really advertising themselves very well. Appropriately enough, in relationship to this article, the place in Chinatown is almost always filled to capacity while the other plays usually have a good amount of empty seats.

    2. Re:Not as long as people have their own... by Gropo · · Score: 1

      Dude, you need to step offf the island more often. Here in Sunnyside there are something like 3 straight-up Baangs within 2 blocks of my apartement alone filled with Korean teenagers donning Eminem parephanalia any time I walk by them...

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  10. Playing D and D in high school by joelwest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find this reminiscent of when I was a kid playing D and D for hours and hours and hours in high school. Seems like ages ago -- okay it WAS ages ago. But for me at least, that was the time that I found that there were geeks like me in the world. Good memories!

    1. Re:Playing D and D in high school by JSkills · · Score: 1
      I've got to second that one.

      Countless after school hours were dedicated to D&D. My teachers & parents could not understand the amount of time we spent playing.

      BTW - finally got a copy of Neverwinter Knights for xmas. Still haven't open it, because I know when I do, the hours will simply melt away on me.

  11. We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Arethan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The US is behind the rest of the world when it comes to businesses making money off the LAN Party concept. They've been doing it in Japan, Korea, the Phillipenes, etc, for quite a while now. You'll find a few in the US that do alright. Mainly in large cities like New York. Still, it is nothing like the number of them in other countries.

    I was thinking of starting one around my area, but the upfront investment is more than I can afford at the moment. I need to wait for better locations to open up anyways. You need to find someplace fairly large (but not too large), with really low rent.

    Location is key, at least with my idea it is. I didn't read the article (typical Slashdot :), so I don't know if they let you take your own PCs in, but I would. Because of this, you need to be in a nice enough location that people don't mind too much about tearing down their own PCs to set them up on the LAN. I would, of course, also rent PCs out to people that don't want to use their own.

    The potential for theft shouldn't be too much of a problem. Just make sure the business PCs are clearly marked, and take a collateral upon renting that you give back when they return it. Drivers licenses would probably be good. Wouldn't hurt to require a social security card or credit card upon first rental either. *shrug*

    Well, someday I'll start it up. Maybe in another couple years.

    1. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Megane · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Just make sure the business PCs are clearly marked, and take a collateral upon renting that you give back when they return it.

      I think a $50 locking cable kit would be a much better idea.

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    2. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Zebbers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You may think letting people bring their comps would be fun, but its prolly not..for either of you. For you, it'd be a constant coming and going, dealing with equiptment walking out the door. Whos was that? Was that really that kids?

      And furthermore. People bring their comps to LANparties cuz they last a day, two, three more. Why would someone tear down their comp to bring it to a lanplace just for a couple of hours. I dont disassemble my pool table to bring it to the poolhall. Think of it that way.

      Your business should be the renting of the actually lancomputers for play, not the space/location for people to come in and setup their own.

    3. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've given the same thing some thought.
      And I probably could have the money to do it if I really thought it would be profitable.

      There are a couple things holding me back though:

      1. Lawsuits. Kids playing M-rated games. This is America, land of the frivilous and irresponsible.

      2. Game Licenses. I image it would be cheap if your buy them in bulk, but everyone needs the same game and usually version to play. Its ok to trade warez at a non-profit LAN bash, but wait till the publishers and BSA finds out kids are leaving with their machines full of software.

      3. Broadband. LAN bashing kind of lost its coolnes after I got a cable modem. High speed internet is not as common in other countries, so LAN bashing is still the best way for them to play a FPS.

      If these things weren't a problem, I can't imagine a more fun business to own :)

    4. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      theres one in my area which has been there for a few years, while others have come and gone in the same town. listening to their business problems is painful, though. fast net access is becoming so prolific here that most people dont see the reason to go somewhere to pay to play.

      In latin america cyber cafe's are the way most people get to check their e-mail. some remote locations even have faster access than my cable modem at home - isnt comcast great!?! anyways, its not like these are just games/parties but also work and relationships. just as i've seen people who wake up in the morning and park themselves inside a phone booth for that day's business, so too do people park themselves in the cyber cafe for their workday.

    5. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1
      The US is behind the rest of the world when it comes to businesses making money off the LAN Party concept.

      That's because we can sit in our homes where we have new computers and high speed internet. These types of parlors make sense in a country where the infrastructure isn't in place for lots of people on-line, or where the average person doesn't have a computer capable of playing these games. But, does it make sense to go somewhere for the same experience we have at home?

      The analogy in this country would probably be "Dave & Buster's" or "Gameworks" or one of the other similar concepts. These places survive because you get the electronic gaming experience you can't recreate (easily) in your homes. "Counter Strike" is a home game experience in the US, making it difficult to catch on. I can't imagine setting up parlors of Game Cubes or Playstation 2's either.

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    6. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Arethan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, that would be the advantage to bringing your own PC. The business plan doesn't have an admission fee. Just rentals and food. So if you bring your own PC, then you don't pay to play. If I had to charge admission, I'd charge less to people that bring their own equipment. The fact that they are bringing a PC in means that they are likely to stay longer, since it is such a bitch to set up and tear down all the time.

      I'd also have adjusted hours to make it worth while. Open all night on fridays and saturdays, that sort of thing. Having a nearby motel would be helpful, as it would give people a place to sleep if they got desperate.

      I'd also enforce a headphones rule. No external speakers allowed, as it makes it too easy for people to blast their m4d @ss syst3mz and ruin the fun for others. I'd have ambient music playing, with a web-based jukebox interface for requests. If you don't have any headphones, I'd have plenty to sell you. Some cheap, some not.

      Monitor size I could care less about. All the systems available for rent would have either 17 or 19 inch monitors. If you want to bring your badass 21", be my guest. The spacing of the stations would allow enough room for it.

      I'd also have events probably every month or so. Winners get stuff like free rentals, new video cards, new headphones, new mice, new PCs, cash, etc. All depending on how big the event was supposed to be.

      The place would, of course, have broadband access to the internet, and would have a few game servers running that were public to the net as well as internally. I'd also provide a few dialup points for access to the building for people that want to game with good ping times at home. (For a fee of course).

      Eventually, I'd like to open up additional locations, and get dedicated connections between them, so that people on the LAN can play others from across the state, country, etc. I'd probably strike a deal with an ISP to provide low ping game servers to their clients as well, in exchange for discounted monthly fees on the dedicated lines.

      But, I can go on all day about my nifty little dream. The hard part is making it a reality. :)

    7. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Surak · · Score: 1

      Your business should be the renting of the actually lancomputers for play, not the space/location for people to come in and setup their own

      OTOH, having a space/docking port for people to bring in laptops might not be a bad idea... you could even use 802.11b to provide LAN connections instead of fiddling with twisted pair.

    8. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Eccles · · Score: 1

      That's because we can sit in our homes where we have new computers and high speed internet. ...and not have any real interaction with anyone...

      At least in a parlor setting, you actually meet the people you game with. Do any online services ever give any indication of where the other players are, or could you spend hours playing the guy down the street from you and never know it?

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    9. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Uart · · Score: 1

      One problem with a drivers license as collateral...

      New Drivers License = $5

      New Computer (with bells& whistles) = 2000+

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    10. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      It's not just the upfront, it's the continual competition with people's home systems and consoles.

      We have a local fighter-pilot place that has the big fake cockpits you can fly in - they started up a number of years ago, but I stopped in just the summer before last and it was really pathetic, a bunch of tired P300's with VooDoo2 cards.
      The Mall of America has it too. There is a digital speedway shop with motion controlled stock cars, rather cool - except that their tech is definitely showing signs of age, since Vice City looks about 1000x better.

      Why pay $X an hour if I can

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    11. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Drivers License = $5

      New Computer (with bells& whistles) = 2000+


      Being able to track the theiving fuckers down 'cuz you have their name and address = PRICELESS.

    12. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Gudlyf · · Score: 1
      "So if you bring your own PC, then you don't pay to play."

      And you plan to make enough money to pay your rent, utilities, and salary how again?

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    13. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How do you plan to stop people from using their systems to lauch DOS attacks or hack outside systems, all using your internet connection?

      And a broadband connection? You'd actually expect people to pay to share a broadband connection and not a T-1, or heck, a T-3? That's asking way too much.

      Inforcing headphone use sounds a bit extreme. I know when I've walked into an arcade, the thing that immediately gets you pumped for being there is the gaming noise goodness. The last thing I'd want to do is walk into a gaming centre and have it sound like a library.

      Good luck with that idea -- you're gonna need it.

    14. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by unicron · · Score: 1

      I live in Las Vegas, and about 1 year ago this netgames place opened up. It was run by this hyper-active asian lady that honestly had no idea what she was doing. I knew she was crazy, but really no idea how much until one day when I decided to hit the place up after work. A friend and I stopped at a Taco Bell that was near it, and we saw some other guys that we knew frequented the place eating in there as well. They told us that Ms. crazy asian lady herself had to run home for an hour, and had moronically left 2 teenagers she had known for maybe 2 hours to watch the store. We really had no doubt what we were going to find once we got over there, but it was funny none-the-less. 30 COMPLETELY gutted PC'S and about 10 missing monitors. I still laugh my ass of at her stupidity to this day.

      Interesting addition to this story; about 1 month later she somehow had found out my friend's phone number, and having never really even spoken to him more than a few times at the netgames place months ago, tried to pay him $5,000 to marry a chinese friend of her's for her citizenship. She was truly, truly insane.

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    15. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The US is behind the rest of the world when it comes to businesses making money off the LAN Party concept. They've been doing it in Japan, Korea, the Phillipenes, etc, for quite a while now. "

      And Japan, Korea, and the Phillipines are representative of the rest of the world, now? Hint: East Asia != the entire world except America.

    16. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by BurritoJ · · Score: 1

      Watching aforementioned thief get dragged, kicking and screaming, from his parents basement by the cops because his address was on the drivers license.... Priceless

    17. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by The_dev0 · · Score: 1
      Fake license = $10

      New Computer (with bells& whistles) = 2000+

      Sounds like a good trade to me...

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    18. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Suicyco · · Score: 1


      I think you are still missing the point. Honestly, do you really see a market for making money letting people play games in a room you pay for, without them paying anything? I know somebody who owns and operates a business like this, however they simply charge per hour for the machines they have. They are big beefy machines, and 2 bucks an hour is a lot easier for most folks then trooping their own pc to some strip mall for nothing more then some table space and a net connection. Why in the world would a teenager do that? (they are the primary market.)

      What would you provide on top of the space they can't get at home? The whole point is to pay a low price, hang out with some people and play net games. Bringing in pc's would be a nightmare, waste much time, you'd have to hassle with users configurations, worry about the security of somebodies box plugging into your lan, etc. etc. Its not a viable business plan at all.

      The way these things make money is easy, and they do make money. You rent a space in a commercial building, such as a strip mall. Buy a bunch of kick ass machines (20-30 of them). You provide a nice infrastructure (network at 100mb at the minimum, why not just go gigabit while your at it.) Have some nice desks, nice comfy chairs, headphones, and a groovy monitor. You give them soda's and snacks, and charge like 2-3 bucks an hour. Have a fast net connection. Heck, I'd even have the machines simply sitting in a rack in the back. Host events, etc. Very similar to your idea but no home pc's. In fact that would be very much DISallowed. This way, you have all your machines configured, and can image them every night to clean out any crap left over by the 3l33t kidz using them. Its rather simple, just takes some capital (around $50-100,000) to start up and a good location. The kids will come if everything is right, and shell out a lot of money. And on top of that, its cheaper then the old format - arcades, which means more time spent in your location, which turns into more money. As a kid I could easily drop $20 in an hour at an arcade.

    19. Re:We are behind the rest of the world on this one by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1
      Do any online services ever give any indication of where the other players are, or could you spend hours playing the guy down the street from you and never know it?

      I don't know about all -- some might. When I play on public servers a lot of people come and go and you often don't know where they are. But when you play regularly the in-game chat functions and voice-chat allow you to learn these things with the people you regularly see. It also seems that players that play in clans have a tight relationship with others generally.

      And LAN parties often fill the social aspects for others using PC/console games. I don't deny that there are opportunities to set up parlors and make a go at it. I just don't agree with the article's promotion of this as a coming popular thing in this format in the US. I think to make something commercially viable you have to do more than plop down some Dell computers running Counter Strike. The places I've been to that seem to have more potential would be Dave & Busters and Gameworks. Others have mentioned similar concepts at Mall of America in Blommington MN (auto racing similators), and others.

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  12. This article is pretty twisted... by kahei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But the hordes of young men -- and a few female hangers-on -- who pack this place probably seldom muster the nerve to go out dancing. This is the refuge of the young and the unpopular, the boys and girls who don't fit into the gangster-rap chic so popular at their high schools. Here, there's no bullying, no catcalls, no thumping SUV subwoofers.


    I don't actually do any of this 'online gaming' stuff, so I'm unbiased. Now...

    Was this article written by a football hero or something? It seems to be obsessed with portraying PCBang culture as stereotypical asocial loser nerd pervert stuff, when in fact it's pretty much normal social life in Korea (where these things come from).

    It spends whole sentences whining on about scantily clad cyber babes. It never once allows the possibility that playing Starcraft might just be a common pasttime for this particular generation in that particular area. It doesn't really describe PCBang culture so much as provide a handy toolkit for forcing it into that old Jocks-vs-Nerds idiom, the one some people don't quite grow out of.

    I read this article because the spread of Korean culture (such as it is :)) interests me. What I got was eight full pages of a guy going 'THESE PEOPLE ARE NERDS! THEY ARE PATHETIC! I AM NOT LIKE THEM! OH NO! AT LEAST NOT ANY MORE!'

    The writer aparrently has a few issues with self-image. That's fine. Some people get bullied, some people feel inadequate (in this case quite rightly), and that's normal. But he should have called the article 'My own psychological issues and how I work them out by randomly insulting groups of Asian teenagers', and then I would have known not to read it.

    Well, okay, it wasn't *quite* that bad.

    But lord, it sure wasn't good.

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    1. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by TheAntiCrust · · Score: 1
      Hmmm, you may be unbiased... but your also uninformed. He may be writing this from an ignorant American point of view... but generally the gamers (like me) are geeky little non-rapper non-chic types. There are exceptions... but not many.

      THis is funny since i am going to go to a Cyber Cafe net place type thing today to play BF1942 =)

    2. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by tmark · · Score: 1

      portraying PCBang culture as stereotypical asocial loser nerd pervert stuff, when in fact it's pretty much normal social life in Korea (where these things come from).

      As you point out, you're talking about Korea a place where Hello-Kitty and anime are nearly as popular as it is in Japan, and born-against Christianity is hugely popular partly because it provides a ready-made social circle. Even if it is "normal social life in Korea" (it isn't; it's still a minority of people who occupy themselves so), it doesn't make it any less asocial loser nerd stuff. If the phenomenon were to grow much more, I would be very, very worried if I were Korean and concerned about the next generation's social skills.

    3. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by kahei · · Score: 1

      Oh, I didn't say I wasn't worried about Korea :)

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    4. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some people feel inadequate (in this case quite rightly)

      Great line. :)

    5. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by VonGuard · · Score: 1

      Well, I wasn't trying to come off as being a football hero jock. I just portraied Ricky as the person he presented himself as. I thought I was poo-poo-ing the popular kids, not the gamers.

      But if that's the way you read it, I guess I did something wrong.

      Self image issues? I guess if I can write 8 pages and you actually read them all, something's right.

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    6. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you've got to admit. Ricky was pretty damn fine looking, eh?

    7. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by mbvgp · · Score: 1

      This social life thingy is way overrated I tell you :D

    8. Re:This article is pretty twisted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tell the author has a personal problem with gamers when he spends the majority of the article describing Ricky as a fat lazy goth slob that "thinks he is the shit." Ricky should sue the author/hack for defamation of character.

      And I'm also sure that all 70,000 people playing are "hopeless addicts."

  13. Wrong! by seizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article, talking about CS:

    The terrorists' goal is to plant a bomb and defend it until it explodes; the counter-terrorists must defuse the device or prevent it from being placed. If and when the charge is planted, a text message goes out to all players: "Someone set us up the bomb."

    Someone's pulling yer leg, mate. Did you even play the game?

    (Proper phrase is, of course, "The bomb has been planted")

    1. Re:Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The terrorists' goal is to plant a bomb and defend it until it explodes; the counter-terrorists must defuse the device or prevent it from being placed. If and when the charge is planted, a text message goes out to all players: "Someone set us up the bomb."

      Someone's pulling yer leg, mate. Did you even play the game?


      Actually, there are mods that do broadcast " set us up the bomb!"

      So I guess the real question is, did you even play the game?

    2. Re:Wrong! by sheetsda · · Score: 3, Informative

      That can be modified. During the AYB craze the server I frequented had that plant alert, it ran admin mod and a couple other similar mods whose names escape me. There might have even been a version where it said that, I can't remember.

    3. Re:Wrong! by jalefkowit · · Score: 1

      This must be an admin-configurable thing; I've seen it happen on some CS servers, but not others. It's definitely not completely unknown, however.

    4. Re:Wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is correct, the TEXT message says: "XXX set us up the bomb" while the audio message says: "Bomb has been planted".

    5. Re:Wrong! by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a translation into Korean and back, no?

    6. Re:Wrong! by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they're pulling his leg...

      everyone knows it's "Somebody set up us the bomb!" :)

    7. Re:Wrong! by yack0 · · Score: 1

      Can be right!

      On the default install of CS with adminmod and hlstats, it does, in fact say "$playername set us up the bomb" to the terrorists when they plant.

      This is how my server is right now.

      this is entirely customizable by any number of mods, primarily adminmod.

      HA HA HA HA!

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  14. Truth to the Saying: by 1WingedAngel · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Video games don't affect kids. If Pac-Man affected us as kids we'd all be walking around in dark rooms eating magic pills while listening to repetitive electronic music." -Karen Price, Nintendo Representative

    1. Re:Truth to the Saying: by Allison+Geode · · Score: 0

      oh yeah? then why do we have ravers?

    2. Re:Truth to the Saying: by mekkab · · Score: 0

      Funny, that just doesn't have the same resonance on slashdot as it does when posted to the DC-RAVES mailing list, and others of its ilk.

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    3. Re:Truth to the Saying: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's ALWAYS someone who doesn't get that joke.

    4. Re:Truth to the Saying: by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      Your grasp of the obvious is astounding. I applaud you.

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    5. Re:Truth to the Saying: by Coltman · · Score: 1

      "Video games don't affect kids. If Pac-Man affected us as kids we'd all be walking around in dark rooms eating magic pills while listening to repetitive electronic music." -Karen Price, Nintendo Representative

      I am a puter geek.... my computer room is dark.... i live off of little magic pills(tylenol)... and i listen to techno - OHHHH CRAPP!! I'M PAC_MAN!!

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    6. Re:Truth to the Saying: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to Slashdot, n00b.

    7. Re:Truth to the Saying: by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      I have seen this quote a lot, and it's always attributed to someone different each time. So who said it, or is it made up?

    8. Re:Truth to the Saying: by Dan+Nordquist · · Score: 1

      Made up. Come on, it's too perfect. I've seen it attributed to Nintendo guys, Atari guys, Time magazine... sheesh.

    9. Re:Truth to the Saying: by bigmase521 · · Score: 1

      Well, I originally heard this quote from someone in the electronic music community, dealing with the stereotype that all partykidz take ectasy. And that's what happens when your apart of that scene, you take mass quantities of drugs, and that is completely not the case. It's a general quote that can be applied to many things, *fill in any example you wish* but that's where I first heard it.

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  15. Re:Slack Jawed, Staring Straight Ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU GOTO HELL AND YOU DIE!

  16. Re:Half the first page by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 1

    I think the author was trying to contrast the guys "real" life to his CS life, in an attempt to explain why he's so obsessed with the game.

    Long-ass article. About as accurate as any other story I've read, meaning just enough errors to make you wonder how much else is wrong.

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  17. Stacks here in Melbourne, Australia by grantdh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We have quite a number of PC-Baang sites setting up here in Melbourne (been around in the inner city for a few years). Sure, Cyber Cafes have been around for yonks and we used them while travelling, etc. For the PC-Baangs, it was the concept of the netbash that got our attention. We occasionally would go down to one for a mega-bash when we had more people than would fit in one of our lounge rooms :)

    For some, it's their life (no PC at home due to space, money, travel, etc) and for others it's just a fun excursion. Judging by the number of them springing up, there's a market for them all right :)

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    1. Re:Stacks here in Melbourne, Australia by Dexx · · Score: 1

      We've got a few here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada as well. Most of the people I know frequent either Ages or Naked, but from my place there are another few within walking distance. A lot of people would rather spend the cash to go to a cybercafe/PC-Baang to hang out and game with their friends than lug their machines all over the place to set up a LAN. As well, by heading to a cybercafe, you get to skip the requirement of owning your own PC.

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    2. Re:Stacks here in Melbourne, Australia by technix4beos · · Score: 1

      Really...

      I was raised in Edmonton, Alberta, spent a good 20 years there.

      Where are the cafes located? Just trying to visualize where they might be.

      Email me privately if you don't mind. ;)

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  18. Europe is full of Baangs, too by mjul · · Score: 2, Informative
    FYI you will find a lot of these "uniquely Korean" game-cafés in Europe, too. I live in Denmark and LAN-parties here died out five years ago. Nowadays, people just go to a game-café and play on the latest hardware while being served cold drinks.

    There's nothing "basement" about these places - some of them are in very fashionable locations.

    To have a peek check out Boomtown in central Copenhagen, just across from Tivoli Gardens.

  19. SciFi by tacocat · · Score: 1

    This article sounds like some dark chapter from SnowCrash or Neouromancer.

    Rather depressing livestyle. Spending all of your time in some virtual gaming arena in dark basement pits with no one to really talk to.

    Psychologists will be figuring this one out for generations to come as our ability to socialize plummets into a level of communication limited to SMS, IRC, and other 'leet' short cuts to the process of talking to each other.

    1. Re:SciFi by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      It's really not a whole lot different than when arcades had their heyday. The kids are socializing with the other people playing. Of course, arcade machines didn't let you type insults at each other, so you had to be sort of tactful when you talked to one another, so that's a bit weird, but still, I wouldn't worry about the future of our culture.

    2. Re:SciFi by 56 · · Score: 1

      I think it's interesting that these people are playing Starcraft and Counter-Strike, and not the Sims online or 'There.'

  20. The arcades of our time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Are these to be the malt shops and arcades of our time?

    I remember when arcades were the arcades of our time.
    1. Re:The arcades of our time? by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I remember when pinball machines had a little plunger under the ball launcher that you had to push in to serve up the next ball. No candy-ass auto eject mechanisms for us!

      --
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      I am a free number!
  21. Malt Shops? by nycsubway · · Score: 1

    "are these to be the Malt Shops and arcades of our times?"

    no way. in Malt shops, people actually talked to each other. in arcades, you still had to interact with people to get tokens. in a videogame room, all you do is shoot people on a computer screen.

    1. Re:Malt Shops? by tcdk · · Score: 1

      There's usually lots of communication going on.

      Besides the usual online calls of "I need a medic", there's usually lots of clapping when somebody gets off a good shot, cheering and booing, misc. small talk between level loads.

      We actually meet an hour before our bi-weekly sessions and eat together. Lots of fun.

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  22. Alex has the hots for Ricky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it is pretty obvious. And he has much disdain for the woman who he talks outside with. You know, the one with "too much eyeliner". ;)

  23. wow by Chrome-Dragon · · Score: 1

    According to the article they pay only 1$ per hour, you know here thy would be more expensive.

  24. New? by tarnin · · Score: 1

    I don't think so. These have been around in the US for a long time. I used to frequent a place right near where I lived many years ago (well not THAT many) and played Doom, Duke, and a bunch of older games like that. This is NOT something new to the US, its just was not, and probably really still is not, considered "main stream".

    That's the problem with most peoples narrow views on subcultures in the US. If its not main stream, and it suddenly starts to become main stream, its something TOTALLY new and we are now behind the times. Nope, sorry, its always been there, not my fault you choose to only look at whats "in" at that moment and ignore various goings on in the non-lime light area's of the states.

    1. Re:New? by that+_evil+_gleek · · Score: 1

      You may have seen better places, I've seen small dinky places that also serve as webcafe so there's nongamers there, and its never bigger than the arcade nearby. Might be Ok if you brought some friends with you. That , or is right center on the mall floor with shoppers walking
      by. From other articles, I've read, in korea these things are replacing the coin-op arcades, and aren't niche things. Like if I can go to any mall anywhere, and expect to get into a decent
      multiplayer game with no lag and minimal nonsense -- sounds like Nirvanna.

      Man , thats like the network game playing of the early 90's... Your friends have class? or work? or something else stupid? Hit the Xpilot metaserver and see if you get into a pickup game somewhere, and feed the need. Maybe you can find someone only a few hops away and that's always sweet. What you're schooling them and now they're smurfing you? Can you get in a few more kills on them through the lag , before its un-playable? You can? Man, they must really suck!! Quick, with you're last once of bandwidth type afk and pause the next few rounds. Then quit the program, hit the metaserver, and find a better server with a less lame crowd.
      Oh yeah...

      If the Korean places run their own starcraft servers and limit access to players in the room, or maybe the baang down the street etc, on their own net, no-internet, it could be cool. Something I'd pay for. It would take the lag factor out, and the culture could police itself. If you're on an completely isolated tcp/network with no route whatever to the 'net', and its nothing but gaming,
      then it would be pretty obvious that the guy snickering to himself that somehow got a text-terminal up, is probably the source of the sudden burst of the lag you and everyone else is suddenly feeling.

      In the 80's the arcade was the place to play, today they suck, its either a fight game or some gimmick that will get old quick, I'd love to see something new come in an wipe out what arcades have become, and replace it with cutting edge gaming... with atmosphere.

  25. Was it just me ? by tmark · · Score: 1

    Seems like everyone here is trumpeting the virtues of these cyber cafes, but to me it seemed like all the people they profiled were absolute social retards. The first guy can't carry on a conversation, can barely seem to do his job (he is customer service after all), can't even fold a damn shirt, and if I had to bet would be severely lacking in a whole host of social skills . If we're on the verge of seeing tons and tons of places like these, this is NOT a good thing.

    1. Re:Was it just me ? by JHMirage · · Score: 1
      You're making the assumption that "places like these" won't evolve over time. I do think there will be more gathering places with a focus on high-tech recreation, but they're going to become more varied as they get more numerous. (They'll need to, after all, to differentiate themselves and stay in business.)

      I'm hoping that the next wave of these places will be the 21st century equivalent of the 60's gentlemans' clubs. (Except, you know... without the sexism and bigotry.) Someplace that like-minded people go to hang out and socialize, even if a fair piece of that socializing will be via violent BF1942 escapades.

      Sounds like fun to me, anyway.

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      A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself.
    2. Re:Was it just me ? by leonardluen · · Score: 0

      YEAH! they are all asocial nerds!

      That is why i always read slashdot. we don't have to worry about people like that around here

    3. Re:Was it just me ? by Library+Spoff · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse being *able* to do your job and not being *arsed* doing your job. Two entirley different concepts. Maybe he can do it just fine but can't be bothered...

      i'm not saying this is right or wrong. I can do my job just fine - but some days I can't be arsed (and post on slashdot instead!)

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  26. I really hate these types of stories by mrpuffypants · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every few months a journalist thinks that he is 'hip and cool' and writes a story about online games. Truth is, it just comes off as highly superficial and makes the people involved look rather shallow.

    1. Re:I really hate these types of stories by mns · · Score: 1

      Every few months a journalist thinks that he is 'hip and cool' and writes a story about online games. Truth is, it just comes off as highly superficial and makes the people involved look rather shallow.


      Truth is, VonGuard knows more about computers and games than you will ever know, Mr. Born In 1984. So sad to hear you think the article is "highly superficial", but why don't you just go ahead and eat it.


      Maybe you should get back to fixing the countless broken links on your idiotic and unamusing personal vanity site, bitch.

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    2. Re:I really hate these types of stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right -- there's absolutely nothing worthwhile to be said about video games and the fatty pimplefaces that play them.

  27. Is it just my perception by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or does the writer actually seem to have more of an interest in Ricky than his game playing? Read some of that text again. His cologne. His grace. His car. His... nipple?

    Ref: Pages one and two of this story.

  28. Racial profile ? by tmark · · Score: 1

    Can anybody who hangs out at these places heavy on clan gaming comment on the racial profile of customers ? In the old days, when I used to MUD, 95% of the people were Asian. Is there a disproportionate number of Asians (i.e. a greater proportion then Asians are represented in the surrounding population) in these places -forgetting, of course, the places located in Asia ? I'm betting there is, and if so, I wonder what this could mean ...

    1. Re:Racial profile ? by Dareth · · Score: 1

      Back when I used to MUD pretty heavily, '94 - '96 on Nuclearwar Mud and Powerstruggle race was not even an issue. Back then, most of the people on were technically inclined and shared experiences and helped each other out. We all based our opinions of people based on personality and skills. It wasn't until the OJ verdict that race even got mentioned. I was online when that happened... the screen scrolled 4 pages in a few moments with comments, racial slurs, etc. That was kinda the end of the line for judging people by how their actions and words. We never discriminated against anyone... except them damn faggots! We all hated them. : )

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      My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
  29. Writer is k-14M3 by mdxi · · Score: 5, Informative
    To wit:
    "It's called "L337-speak" -- pronounced 'leet-speak,' as in 'elite.' The code was invented by Quake players to expand naming possibilities for their online personas."

    There were a couple of other niggling inaccuracies before this, but I let them slide as pandering to a non-technical audience, but this is so wrong it hurts. (See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Leet-speak.ht ml for a more historically accurate description of the phenomenon.)

    I wonder: did the writer make this up off the top of his head, or did the m4d g4m3Rz he's doing his best Katz impression over tell him that?

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    1. Re:Writer is k-14M3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Compared to its shabby progenitor, Wolfenstein 3D (which wasn't three-dimensional in the least)"

      Wolfenstein, shabby?!?
      It's got everything, you get to shoot evil nazis and even zombies. The very definition of "shabby" is "Does not contain zombies"

      the only thing missing is the net-play-option.

    2. Re:Writer is k-14M3 by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that annoyed me too. What do you expect, for a journalist doing human interest stories? Fact checking?

    3. Re:Writer is k-14M3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting link. Of course, it doesn't give the motivation as to why you see kiddies doing that. What would motivate someone to want to appear illiterate?

    4. Re:Writer is k-14M3 by merseault · · Score: 1

      Ya, and not only that, but he incorrectly states that CS was made by Valve Software, which is false. Valve made HALF-LIFE, not Counter-Strike.

    5. Re:Writer is k-14M3 by nawspac · · Score: 1

      I remeber people typing that way 5+ years before quake was out. back in the bbs days. a bit less attractive then the warez kiddies lower case i's and o's.

  30. Yes by seizer · · Score: 1

    Religiously. Just never seen those mods, I guess.

  31. No thanks.. by 1000101 · · Score: 1

    i spend $45/month for a cable modem so i'll never go to a "PC Baan". i can drink beer and smoke at home too (don't smoke though). i would immagine that people who frequent these places spend as much money or more for gaming per month than i do from the comfort of my own home.

  32. And in Canada... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 1

    There's one fairly close to my house... I'm not going anywhere near it! I can play games a heck of a lot safer in my place.

    The place was robbed at gunpoint by an asian gang in the summer, and some guy was just beat up and shot inside the place this week.

    I should move...

    N.

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    "Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
  33. American Generalizations by Alric · · Score: 3, Insightful

    /*I'd love to moderate this discussion, but I feel the overwhelming need to comment. When I say, "America," I mean the United States. */

    America is big. America is digitally divided.

    These facts preclude cyber cafes from being popular in every community that is not a large metropolis or a very hip compact area.

    We have too much land, and we live too far apart. Those who are greatly interested in computers can afford one or a few.

    If I could walk out my door or hop on the subway and be in a comfortable Internet cafe in ten minutes, I would consider it. If this cyber cafe offered many attributes over my home setup, I might consider it. However, I live in a heavily-suburban metropolitan area of about 450,000 people. I would have to get in my car and drive twenty minutes from my home to the closest cyber cafe, which offers high usage fees, sophomoric l33t teenagers, and bad grub. There is an Internet cafe very close to my office downtown, but I have a better free connection at work, on which I can use my personally-owned laptop.

    With blindingly fast computers becoming dirt cheap and especially with broadband proliferating, Americans have few incentives, from a technological standpoint, to patronize an Internet cafe. Some kids/adults who want to play LAN games might enjoy it, but the best part of playing a lan game is yelling profanity across the hall at your opponent, excepting the low lag. It just requires too much effort for most Americans to get to the cyber cafes, and the only benefit they get is maybe a little camaraderie. Save your money and setup a home LAN.

    For some areas, like NYC or any dense urban environment, cyber cafes can be successful. Success requires two things, assuming for the moment that you already have an incredible business design with enough startup capital. First, many people need to live within a ten minute travel time. Second, living space needs to be prohibitively expensive for an average family to have a LAN room. Most of America does not meet those two criteria.

    I might be simplifying the situation, but I've participated (as a free network consultant) in two failed Internet cafes, one in outer New Orleans and one in Birmingham, AL. So I hope I'm not totally ignorant.

    1. Re:American Generalizations by praedor · · Score: 1

      I'd beg to differ. I live in a rural area where the is NO broadband (unless you want to shell out $70/month for satellite - but then satellite is useless for internet games). As there is no broadband and none coming in the near future, smallish rural town areas might see a reasonable level of interest in such a PC game room even if they had home PCs. Shell out for a (fractional) T1 (if available...I have been told by several different providers that I couldn't even pull a T1 where I live) and setup and you might get a decent regular showing from the youngins in the area.


      Really big cities don't seem logical to me. In such places you can get broadband easily and groups of friends can get together and play together. It wouldn't be the crowded PC gaming room but it would be warmer and likely nicer and more comfortable (someone's den or basement).


      There was a PC gaming room/shop for a little while in a mall area near where I lived in Salt Lake city several years ago. You could go there and play Quake, Duke Nukem, Rise of the Triad (none of the fancy-smchmancy games like CS, Quake II, etc, back then) in networked play. It wasn't connected to the internet, just a local lan for localized lan parties/tournaments. They then built one or two other shops around the area and networked those so they could all take part in tournaments. They even shelled out for goggles - little LCD screen for each eye. Pretty neat when you got used to it but it left you disoriented and dizzy for a period after gaming when moving about the real world.


      These shops lasted about a year, year-and-a-half. Not sure if they could be tried again only with full internet access. I think it would require several things to work out well: 1) LOCATION (a good location is a must), 2) atmosphere (it needs to be attractive to the users, a place they would feel comfortable hanging out), 3) upkeep (gotta maintain the hardware in good shape and keep a decent selection of software).


      I think the margin would be tough. Charge enough for rent, equipment upgrade/maintenance and profit while having the right number of PCs/consoles available to be a draw to groups of friends without also breaking the bank.


      Setup a few of these in Vegas so parents can dump their kids there while they go and burn up their kid's college money at the crap table. That would almost assure that it makes money. Problem is, you'd likely be part of a casino or quickly crushed by casinos who would then do it themselves if your shop actually worked out.

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  34. Not very good in Denver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one near my store recently disappeared, aka closed down. I guess we just don't have enough people who are willing to pay-to-play in this area.

  35. The hazards of byo PCs... by MamasGun · · Score: 1

    Nobody has mentioned this very obvious problem: almost all of these Cybercafes/Baaaangs/Whatevers are very Windows-centric. Most 31337 64m3rz run XP on their "chopped and lowered" rigs. The possibility for transmitting viruses, trojans and other random malware is a hideously strong one.

    I am not sure if HLC/S runs on Linux yet or not. However, UT runs on Linux and so does Quake. All the various servers run on free *NIXen. But you really don't see alternative OSes at Cybercafes.

    And there is the small problem of wannabe hoodlums starting shit at the Cybercafes. This is so absurd it's not even funny. California is going to seriously crack down on anything resembling a Cybercafe this legislative session. Thanks a lot, assholes.

    So with all these concerns, I would rather tote my box to a LAN party amongst friends rather than a Cybercafe full of strangers.

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  36. teachin engrish in shenzhen , china by sonatinas · · Score: 1

    all my students do in their spare time is play CS and this online rpg from taiwan called stone age, and i frequent the net bars around here and every1 plays cs and online rpgs, i saw one machine with q3 and asked people if they wanted to play, they are all stuck on CS, in stone age, all they want to do is level up and they read all these strategy guides,,,the net cafes are smoky places where people have huge CS lan parties basicially, people chat on QQicq and play CS/stone age,,, other people might play weiqi or other chess games online,,,,,, it would take a long time to make china move on to the next thing like 1942 , i was in the main electronics district in shenzhen last weekend and there was a LAN party of CS with a big screen television so every1 could watch, there was a decent size crowd,,,this is off topic,but in all arcades here ,,most of them are 90%+ filled with king of fighters machines,,,my personal hell, but thats what practically all my students like CS and KOF

    1. Re:teachin engrish in shenzhen , china by yack0 · · Score: 1

      And it's supposed to be a good thing that you're teaching English? To anyone? Check something out on the keyboard. Look down on the right, under the 'greater than' sign - to the left of the question mark maybe (depending on your keybpoard) - is a little key we use called the 'period'. [ooh, look I just used one!] It indicates the end of a sentence. We end sentences to separate thoughts into more coherent statements. [damn, another one right there too!]

      Hopefully you might be able to pass that bit of information onto your students.

      *shrug*

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    2. Re:teachin engrish in shenzhen , china by sonatinas · · Score: 1

      i though the internet was free of punctuation,,look at most things here on /., go back to enjoying your latte

  37. Alex Handy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    needs to learn how to write more succinctly. A nine page article about Ricky? WTF, man?

    1. Re:Alex Handy by VonGuard · · Score: 1

      This piece is a newspaper first story. It's only secondarily published online. Any factual innacuracies (l337-speak coming from Quake, and Valve creating Counter-Strike) are due to the readership of the East Bay Express. This is not a tech paper. It's a free weekly along the lines of the Village Voice or the SF Weekly.

      Yes, I know L337-speak predates Quake. Yes, I know Valve didn't initially create Counter-Strike.

      This is a piece about culture, not about games. I hedged in the truth a bit to save complication and so as not to confuse the unsophisticated readers.

      And yes, I am having a secret torrid love afair with Ricky. He wears too much eye-shadow too.

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    2. Re:Alex Handy by yack0 · · Score: 1

      > This piece is a newspaper first story. It's only
      > secondarily published online. Any factual
      > innacuracies (l337-speak coming from Quake, and
      > Valve creating Counter-Strike) are due to the
      > readership of the East Bay Express.

      WTF?!?!!? The READERS are responsible for the innacuracies? Are you fsckin nuts? If you're Alex Handy, aka VonGuard, then you're the knucklehead responsible for the innacuracies - sure as hell not the readers of the newspaper you wrote it for. You (assuming that Vonguard = Alex Handy) even admit that YOU WROTE THE ARTICLE! Look at your own text from the submission:

      > VonGuard writes "Ahoy hoy! I've written a new
      > article for the East Bay Express about..."

      Right there you say "I've written..." not "the readers of the East Bay Express have written".

      Take some personal fucking responsibility for your own screw ups and admit that the innacuracies are yours. Admit that you didn't take the time to correct the simple errors. Or at least blame it on the editor, but please, oh please, don't blame your readers!

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    3. Re:Alex Handy by jasonzzz · · Score: 1


      I think he is saying this that readership taken into account. Those inaccuracies do not amount to much in the sense that it is a piece talking about the culture; if the piece was to appear in a gaming magazine, then those details would certainly been lots more important.

  38. Roll a saving throw... by wwwssabbsdotcom · · Score: 1

    ...to see if you get a +2 on Karma.

    Old DND player, 80's

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  39. Korea only? by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1



    From the article:
    PC Baangs are a unique Korean institution

    Unless I didn't understand the description in the article, I would say that's plain incorrect. On a Sept 01 trip to Turkey, I saw plenty of "internet cafes", mostly being used as gaming rooms. I was one of the few people in there actually using it to browse the web and check email; most others were playing, I think, Counter-Strike.

    Cheap, but smoky.

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  40. PC bangs, succecssors to Nora Bang, and BiDio Bang by psplay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Norabang = Karaoke Room
    Bidio Bang = Video room (rent a DVD and watch it there and then)

    Bidio-bang Never caught on overseas. And while Karaoke came and died in the west, it remains an oriental sensation (I can only talk for Japan and Korea).

    Similarily, I dont think the PC Bangs (somebody change that name plEase) won't last long in the US.

    Three steps to failure.

    1, Their profit margin is too low, cut maintenance costs.
    2, They will start to look run down and become scary places,
    3, Kids won't want to go there.

    Lifespan = 28months.

  41. You're missing the point by ryman · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article was highlighting the growth of PC Baangs in California in the United States of America. Everyone knows they've been extremely popular in Asia for quite some time.

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  42. Author needs to check facts by Quintin+Stone · · Score: 3, Informative

    After I got through the pointless paragraphs of mall details and got into the actual meat of the story, I was faced with an immediate factual error. Valve did NOT create Counter-Strike. It was an amateur mod effort done as a personal (unpaid) project. It was only later, after a slew of releases, that Valve hired CS's creators and acquired the mod as an official add-on to Half-Life.

    At that point, I stopped reading the article.

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    "Prejudice is wrong; you should hate everyone the same."

    1. Re:Author needs to check facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also I never recall ever hearing "Someone set us up the bomb." Also such tidbits as "He likes the Desert Eagle.... He even has a pet name for it: Deagle." Doesn't almost every CS player on the planet use that?
      After 2 mistakes on first page its hard to take anything he writes seriously.

    2. Re:Author needs to check facts by Quintin+Stone · · Score: 1

      The game itself refers to the Desert Eagle as "deagle". As far as I remember, if you do any command line work or scripting in CS, that's the weapon name you have to use.

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      "Prejudice is wrong; you should hate everyone the same."

  43. StarCraft & CounterStrike by way2slo · · Score: 1
    Great games. Both have strategy, but at different levels. Just depends on what you prefer. I find StarCraft is faster paced while CounterStrike is more like chess. The joke with my friends was that if you were playing StarCraft and found that you we not building several things at once or doing several things at once, you were LOSING. CounterStrike on the other hand is more like chess where you position yourself and wait to strike when the time is right. Sometimes this happens quickly, but most of the time you are waiting or moving in slowly.

    If you like StarCraft you might want to check out Warlords Battlecry 2. This is what Warcraft 3 should have been. A bunch of races (Human, Dwarf, Dark Dwarf, Barbarian, Minotaurs, Daemon, Orc, Fey, High Elf, Wood Elf, Dark Elf, and Undead) to master and the ability to build up hero characters to lead them in battle. My friends that use to play StarCraft now play WBC2. Check it out.

  44. CS? CS is so yesterday? Day of Defeat is..... by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ..taking Counter-Strike's place as the best H/L mod.

    Dolemite
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  45. People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't that be

    "Someone set up us the bomb" and not "Someone set us up the bomb"?

  46. Woah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that born-again Christianity group really a Korean thing?

    I lost a high school friend that I had for years because she got sucked away into a Korean super-Christian group at the beginning of college. She became less and less interested in hanging out with me, being a white male non-believer and we drifted totally apart. Now I get mass mailings from her every so often that always have the closing: "With His Love". I always felt like it was more for the social group than anything else. And it was creepy.

    This was in the US but the group was all immigrant/first-generation Koreans.

    1. Re:Woah! by FredGray · · Score: 1
      Is that born-again Christianity group really a Korean thing?

      I lost white friends to super-fundamentalist Christian (InterVarsity and Campus Crusade) groups in college this way here in the USA, too. I don't think this situation is unique to Korea by any means.

  47. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is real, professional, investigative reporting at its finest:

    "Ricky is full of shit."

  48. DoD, NS, and CS by Valiss · · Score: 1

    You know some of my buddies still make fun of me at LANs for playing CS. But online, there are a ton of people and I'm still in a CS clan (www.clan-mr.com). Even so, NS and DoD and the like are always trying to overhaul the #1 spot and yet CS maintains. The clan always talks about the newest game and how that will replace CS in our clan, and in the 3.5 years I've played, nothing has over thrown it. The graphics maybe a bit older and the net code may not be the newest, but it is one helluva fun game to play.

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    1. Re:DoD, NS, and CS by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

      Really? You obviously haven't seen this:

      http://www.fileplanet.com/bestof2002/mods/

      Dolemite
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  49. A teenager killed in a Coquitlam Internet cafe by single_user_mode · · Score: 0

    Monday, January 20, 2003
    A teenager killed in a Coquitlam Internet cafe on the weekend was beaten by three suspects before being shot to death, the cafe's owner said yesterday. - http://www.canada.com/vancouver/news/story.asp?id= %7B58BBB257-7566-4B53-A2F4-EA315C8F5416%7D

    i think they played one game of CS to many!

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  50. Errors, Cheating, Good Investment, and Old Age by Kong99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article was rife with errors, "Valve created Counter-Strike", wrong, it bought Counter-Strike a Mod created mostly by two guys. I would give the creation date at the earliest as '99, it really began to take off in 2000. Ricky did not create the term "Deagle" for the Desert Eagle, commonly used in the community for years. I could go on. I stopped playing CS long ago due to the rampant cheating. I know steps have been taken to help stop some of it but I am sure it still exists. The Cybercafe/PC Baang (which btw is nothing new in the US) would be good to make sure that your opponents are not cheating, which is impossible to truly verify playing online. That $50 I spent on Half-Life is the best money I ever spent. HL was a great game and well worth the $ all by itself, then throw in Team Fortress Classis, Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Front Line Force, to name but just a few. It is difficult to keep with the young 'ins though. I am 34 and I just don't have the reflexes anymore. I can no longer keep up in UT2003, however I find America's Army to be a game for me as it is more realistic, therefore it moves at a slower speed, and rewards patience and stealth well.

    1. Re:Errors, Cheating, Good Investment, and Old Age by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your points about not being able to keep up with the frag-kiddies hit close to home. I sure didn't have the reflexes when I was 16, and now I'm 31 and completely hopeless.

      I've been playing No One Lives Forever in the hopes that the stealth required in the single-player campaign would be mirrored in multiplayer games, but no such luck -- just a bunny-hopping frag fest.

      If only there was a way to filter games based on age...

  51. hah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great ... 9 pages of schlock journalism from some
    over-dramatic hack

    hey buddy! fuck off and die :D

  52. Pronounciation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I don't know Korean but I'd assume the pronounciation is like most other non-English/non-French languages where every letter is pronounced making: Baang two syllables and thus: Bah-Ahng. Now whether the accent is on first or second syllable: BAH-ahng or bah-AHNG.



    BTW there is a PC Baang at the Milpitas Great Mall (near the Theater-side entrance). P.S. Avoid the sushi place across courtyard - their fish is not fresh.

  53. condescending article by mikeray · · Score: 1

    Aside from the laundry list of inaccuracies (uniquely Korean - c'mon; L337-speak "invented" by Quake players - yeah; and so on), the article was incredibly condescending towards its subjects. Was it integral to the article to spend several paragraphs telling us how pathetic Ricky/sataN was (in the author's HO)? It may have been, if the purpose of the article was to make eastbayexpress.com readers fill superior to gamer geeks. I got the distinct impression that the author wanted his readers to feel that he and they were superior to the gamers. Why else would the author imply there was something wrong with this lifestyle? Are they hurting anyone? Are they enjoying themselves? Did the author expect /.er's to approve of this article? He may be as out of touch with reality as he believes Ricky and Vinh Bui are.

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  54. Former CS Player. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CS was fun when there were no script kiddies, wall hackers and other assorted cheaters who's lack of self esteem drove them to cheating.

    Quake 3 is like this too. That's why the only players you see on Q3 servers are cheaters, everyone else left because they were tired of the lack of response from ID.

    Companies try (ID Software excluded they could care less about their reputation or fixing hacking issues) to keep up on this but all too often it's a non-stop effort to keep the games fair.

  55. Don't forget Manhwa Bang by ilsie · · Score: 1

    Manhwa Bang = Comic Book Room (rent and take home, or read them on site)

    I spent many a happy hour in Manhwa Bangs, but again, something that probably wouldn't catch on too well in the US.

  56. Used to be true by phorm · · Score: 1

    Now it's becoming too easy to get the hacks though. They're aren't quite as common in CS (and it's hard to tell if somebody is hacking) - and sometimes other factors such as latency, etc, are also important. But in some games when there are only two players left... player A is hiding, and those dead can see the map as player B directly homes in on player A's hiding spot...

    Same in SC... when we're playing a clan game and planning a drop - somehow 3 times the enemy has moved his little squid of anti-air units directly in path ofthe dropships.

    Some players just suck and whine a lot, but there are also a lot of obvious map hackers, cheaters, etc out there.

  57. Re:Erster Pfosten. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leck mich am Arsch

  58. Besides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not like we didn't have dark rooms and pill popping clubbers until the 90s. The only new addition is electronic music. Nobody in the 80s would have said that kids aren't munching pills in dark rooms because they were.

  59. Aren't movie theaters currently fined by MichaelPenne · · Score: 1

    if minors are caught in 'R' rated movies?

    This is different how?

    1. Re:Aren't movie theaters currently fined by Exiler · · Score: 1

      There is no law saying minors may not watch R rated movies, so no, they're not fined.

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    2. Re:Aren't movie theaters currently fined by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Actually there is in very many local jurisdictions. It is both a city and county law where I live.

  60. Picked this up in Berkeley... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article probably would be somewhat informative to a total outsider to online games (and will move magazines - the cover features an Artic Warfare guy carrying an AK from the viewpoint of a sniper rifle) but it's pretty misleading in some areas. There are annoying factual errors - for instance, it says "deagle" is one player's pet name for the Desert Eagle. More importantly, it implies that the typical CS player is a hardcore clanner who plays only in game rooms and whose life may even revolve around playing CS, which definitely sends the wrong message to the layperson.

  61. to each his own Baang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I rather have a Britney Baang or a Christina Baang.

  62. The author was clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's obviously never played the game, and is technologically clueless.

  63. WRONG- -ONE IN A MILLION!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The place you are refering is in VANCOUVER 9or near lougheed anyway) and it is in such a state because there are lots of vietnameese gangs in that area? Dont you read newspapers? Anyway go to yaletown, downtown, N Van, West Van, hell even Richmond (the part where all the malls are) has GREAT gaming places, LOW prices and extremely "normal" atmospheres (as in nobody EVER got beat-up). So stop being biased.

  64. There's already blood in the water, so... by uxo · · Score: 0

    Geez, does this guy get paid by the word, or is he a regular NPR listener?

    "Ricky Menjivar stands five-seven with short, spiky black hair and the scent of Calvin Klein's Crave..."

    Who gives a damn? I lost interest in the story before he even got to the subject matter!

  65. Re:PC bangs, succecssors to Nora Bang, and BiDio B by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

    You're wrong.

    Actually, PC Rooms have been in existence for at least a good 4 years now. That's a lifespan of at lesat 48 months, and it's still going on strong.

    And this is why you're wrong:

    1) Profit margins aren't low. At $3-7 per hour, the price for the game, computer, and connection can be recouped in at least one month (maybe 2).

    2) True. There have been some incidents on teenage crime. However, all this means is that people who frequent these spots of a certain ilk (and they will still get business). I'd hardly call it scary, though. It's mostly kids who should be home doing homework.

    3) Why won't kids want to go there? Is this supposed to be related to point #2? Go to a number of PC rooms (in the bay area or LA) and you'll find plenty of kids there. So, on that point, you're wrong.

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  66. their advertising campaign by hhknighter · · Score: 1

    A Taiwan young man, 20 something, allegedly died from gaming in a PC cafe after a continuous session of 27 hours.

    A Korean young man, 20 something, allegedly died from gaming in a PC cafe after a whooping non-stop 60+ hours (around 3 days)

    A Hong Kong teen, allegedly commited suicide by jumping off a building after he lost his highly priced artifact from an attack by an anonymous player (or hacker, translation was rough here). He was playing at a PC cafe at the time.

    News source from a Hong Kong technology newspaper weekly.

    Yes, spread that shit over here, please........

    1. Re:their advertising campaign by jasonzzz · · Score: 1


      Gimme a break, Taiwanese and Koreans are dropping dead for lots more reasons then just "allegedly" dying from gaming.

      Hong Kong teens commit suicides at the drop of a hat. You should see exam time. The tops of highrises are lined with jumpers who couldn't pass their exams. ha!

      Yeah, I say bring that $hit over.

  67. Inaccuracies by FrancisR · · Score: 1

    I found some inaccuracies in the article. Counter-Strike was not released in 1998 by Valve. Half-Life was. CS came out later and was made by those "CS Team" guys. Also, bomb planting scenarios aren't the only ones in CS. There's also hostage rescue and assasination.

  68. Re:PC bangs, succecssors to Nora Bang, and BiDio B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Their profit margin is too low, cut maintenance costs."

    WRONG!!

    I personally know a friend who had a pc cafe that brought in $25,000 in per month during the summer. I couldn't believer either. Maybe $2,000 for rent $500 for a T1 line and you can only imagine what his profits are.

  69. Re:filter the subjects by kwon37xi · · Score: 1

    Korean spam subjects must start with [????] or (????) things.
    ???? is 4bytes korean word which means advertisement.

    Of course some illegal spams(is spam legal??) don't have that.

    And Korea government passed a law that spams must have @ at the end of subject from 2003 summer.
    so, Korean spam's subjects will be like

    [????] Hey~ look at this~ You will get million dollars @

    or

    (????) Hey~ look at this~ You will get million dollars @

    South Korea is fighting againt spamers.. but not that effective... -.-;

  70. counterstrike documentary by janesays · · Score: 1

    I saw a trailer for a new counterstrike documentary at the CPL championships last summer, it looks like it really gets CS and the players right (I feel like a lot of media coverage misses the whole point of CS or just sensationalizes the violence). I'm not sure when or where the doc is coming out (they said spring 2003 I think??) but the site is http://www.thegamingproject.com

  71. One reason Bangs are popular in Korea... by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 1

    Teaching English in SK...

    Real estate is at a premium here. Apartments and housings are usually pretty cramped, so your home isn't really all that much of a social space. People who can afford it usually like to congregate outside of the home for things like eating and entertainment (As an aside, good luck finding a golf-course, but there are quite a few inner-city driving ranges). Besides, for feasibility reasons, it makes more sense to have a LAN party in a good-sized PC Bang than in a tiny living room.

    It's definitely grown from a subculture to an aspect of Korean culture, though. There's even a channel on TV where you can watch Starcraft duels. There's also Warcraft and E-Golf, but for whatever reason (cheap hardware cost?) Starcraft still rules. However, there are also very popular Diablo-style MMPORPGs that are Asian in origin. Back in Canada (Toronto, specifically) there were some Internet Cafes that were run and packed full of Asians playing various online games.

    Still, to get the meandering point back on track, I think that the PC Bang concept is more a product of the culture. To that end, it won't take off in the US like it has in Korea until Americans need PC Bangs the same way that Koreans do.

    (And I do think it's PC Bang (not Baang), although there really doesn't appear to be in practice one proper way to romanize Korean. Even the city I'm currently in properly translates phonetically to Daegu, but if you send mail here it has to be written "Taegu". Go figure.)

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  72. Re:filter the subjects by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

    It's easier to block them by just doing a whois on KR-NIC and adding all of those IP ranges into your no-access lists. :) Set those to go to a new iptables chain and choose which ports the Koreans can contact, or redirect them to a special "we hate spammers" web site.