There are other modules. They integrate VERY nicely with eachother. I'm unsure if there is a place on the interweb where you can log in and demo the process, but if you are really nice to me, I might give you a temporary spot on my setup so you can see how it all looks.
--- telnet://sinep.gotdns.com -- it's a BBS for those of us that still like playing all the old games
We have the powerlines/other lines hung EVERYWHERE (and when the ice in the winter takes them out -- THEY PUT THEM BACK UP). We have water towers EVERYWHERE. And almost every tower has *something* attatched to it that isn't water related.
Of course, I haven't heard about anyone around here not wanting the huge towers (Alltel threw one up across the street from Wal*Mart at the junction of highway 6 and 63).
I'm glad they rejected it. The policy makers in America need to learn they cannot control the rest of the world. Hopefully other countries will see the error of their ways and follow Canada.
(And yes, I'm a US resident - born and raised here)
--- telnet://sinep.gotdns.com - It's a BBS setup to remember the old days Use something like netrunner (or another ANSI capable client) to connect
Going private is irrelevant. McNealy is irrelevant. Veracity of Bill Gates and GWB is irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Bill Gates of MS has been chosen as the liaison to facilitate the assimilation. Resistance is futile.
Lower your Free and Open Source software and prepare to be boarded.
What was wrong with just putting these things out in Quicktime? (it's bad enough that I've had to put quicktime on my PC in the first place when there are PLENTY if other more widely used codecs that could be used instead (and even work between Apple's computers and Windows computers!)
--From AKAImBatman (238306) When you run CD/DVD burns on the Mac, they Just Work(TM). Microsoft is trying to replicate that. Linux is still, "Ok, dude. First figure out your CD drive. Then choose the command line programs that support your drive. Then create an ISO yourself, and insert a disk in the drive. Don't forget to unmount it before you eject, man! Now press 'burn' and pray to the penguin wanna-be-gods that it works the first time. If it doesn't, you'll need some righteous incantations to get it working!"
--From atriusofbricia (686672) Have you never used k3b?
--From, ME!
All you have to do is look at his comment to show that he hasn't. Just reading what he had to say, it seems like he has little experience with any recent distro...
I'd guess he's just an Apple fan-boi who is trolling for karma (and so far it seems to be failing)
For the "integrated CD/DVD burning", well, I don't know if I'd want that integrated into my WM/X/Whatever. I find K3B quite nice. Even Arson was pretty good.
The "Info Display Panel" was done with Konfabulator (or whatever it's Linux counterpart is -- SuperKarumba, or something like that).
Nothing I've seen on this list is new. I've seen all of it in Linux, some of it before Windows/OSX, some of it after.
I think the companies ought to shut the hell up and make software (and hardware, in Apple's case -- I still believe that MS just gives out hardware designs and has a third party make it for them..)
I don't know how it works in other districts, but here the TC's are on salary. Basically, the schools are paying the person already -- upgrading software is their job, wether they are paying for it or not.
Schools don't (or at least shouldn't)pay that much for MS products.
Educational Resources (I believe there is one for each state -- I know there is one for Missouri and Iowa) takes care of schools.
They buy the media (usually betwwn $50 and $200) one time then buy licenses that can range from a few bucks per machine into the $20-$30 range (depending on the software).
If the schools aren't doing this, then the TC's of those schools aren't doing their job properly. There are many district and state related mailing lists that the TC's can get on that will provide this type of information.
I'm not saying that OpenOffice isn't a good thing to switch to -- I use it in the shop. I'm just saying that schools don't spend anywhere near what individuals (and even businesses, unless the business is very large and constantly threatens to go to other software to get a better deal) pay.
"Joe User" isn't supposed to be installing a printer on a print server. They aren't intended for "Joe User". They are intended for "Joe IT Guy" who should know this stuff, or at least know enough to look up the info in HP's knowledgebase. If he can't do that, he doesn't belong in the job he's in.
Your wife doesn't matter in this conversation. Property Law doesn't belong in this conversation either.
The "Front End" that the CUPS team may leave much to be desired, but anyone using the Mandriva/Red Hat/etc will either be in Gnome or KDE and have their front end to use (which is FAR better).
As for it being suited for a novice user -- untill several other advancements are made to linux, novice users really shouldn't be in Linux without someone around to help them. I'd love to see Linux get to that point (simply to spite MS)
As for someone needing to call for help to set something up. Are you trying to say that if I can't figure out the proper steps to take a water pump off of my car to replace it and have it work without some sort of instructions, that something is wrong with the process?
That's incredibly stupid of you. Yes, there is room for improvements, but just as with autos, you can't (yet) have everything just "plug in and work". There is much work on EVERYONE's part (EVERYONE = PC Parts manufacturers and software writers) that needs to be doen before that can happen -- even in Windows/OSX.
As another slashdotter pointed out to you, you are just unlucky.
That's funny, because neither my HP 970CXi nor my Cannon minded installing the software after connecting the printer.
How funny that you chose to ignore the fact that I stated any NEW printer. The 970 series are quite old by now... Looking through google, there are stories dating from 2000 that talk about the 970, and not having one in front of me, I'd have to say it's older than that -- so it doesn't fall under what I stated in my previous post.
I have gotten USB printers to work in CUPS with no problems(a couple cheap lexmarks and a Deskjet 960 that I have sitting in my closet (it was replaced by a 6122) as long as the USB Printing support is enabled in the kernel.
If the distro you are using had set everything up properly for you, CUPS is quite easy to use. I had to set CUPS up myself (with Gentoo), and even that wasn't all that difficult (Make sure 'cups' is in your USE= flags, merge cups, and merge the KDE package that deals with the system settings and your golden. Doesn't hurt to have the various packages that add printer drivers to the whole setup either).
I believe you are mistaken, however, I should have been abit more descriptive.
What I meant is that it is similar to the steps to manually setting up a printer in Windows (just going through my steps should have been clue enough, but you obviously missed it).
As for your description, well, it's wrong for about 100% of the "cheap-o" printers that many people will buy, and wrong for the rest, too.
There has never been a NEW printer, from about 2000 on, that I have been able to install by "plug it on, maybee install software, and print".
The steps are (usually) as follows:
1) Put in software CD. Run through setup software and wait for it to tell you to plug the printer in (this is for USB Printers -- most LPT printers -- getting more and more rare, especially in the sub-$200 range)
2) Once software is installed, you MIGHT be able to print, or you might have to reboot. In either case, you should be good.
*every* printer I have attempted to install by first "plugging it in" then choosing the driver on the CD has put something to the effect of "You must run SETUP" in the 'select your printer model' list.
Every JetDirect I've *ever* setup has been ip.address:9100 (for the first port, 9101 for the second, 9102 for the third, etc).
I'm not saying there aren't any HP devices that differ from this, but in the last 8 years, I have never encountered anything different.
If you search HP's forums, there are many threads that deal with this. Hell, if it was under warranty, you could even have called HP's support.
This is what I find funny about "I've been a (insert OS) admin for X years" comments on slashdot. I *always* see them in front of "It took me (insane amount of time) to do (quite simple thing) because I refused to ask for help!" comments.
I'm not meaning this as a troll. You can take it as a slam against you, or not. I'm just stating what I've observed.
Jaba (or however it is spelled) is over twice the size of the humans he kept around him (well, the version that was in the later of the three series - I don't recall what he looked like in the first of them).
Then there was that huge creature that was in the 'dungeon' that was about to kill Han (I think that was him) under Jaba's little slab of whatever it was he was resting on.
Not *all* the aliens are humanoids, or their size..:)
Slashdot Mirror
I think that's the pay rate my friends mom gets.....
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I have it setup for my home email.
Horde is the framework
IMP is the mail
Kronolith is the calendar
Turba is your contact list
There are other modules. They integrate VERY nicely with eachother. I'm unsure if there is a place on the interweb where you can log in and demo the process, but if you are really nice to me, I might give you a temporary spot on my setup so you can see how it all looks.
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telnet://sinep.gotdns.com -- it's a BBS for those of us that still like playing all the old games
Here is something you should apparently read. :)
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In Soviet Old Asian Man, All your base are belong to a bewolf (SP?) cluster of T2 robots, but only if the Old Asian Man is angry.
:) )
(Not sure if I got everything in there, or if any of it is quite correct, but it's close enough.
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Funny thing about the area in which I reside.
:)
We have the powerlines/other lines hung EVERYWHERE (and when the ice in the winter takes them out -- THEY PUT THEM BACK UP). We have water towers EVERYWHERE. And almost every tower has *something* attatched to it that isn't water related.
Of course, I haven't heard about anyone around here not wanting the huge towers (Alltel threw one up across the street from Wal*Mart at the junction of highway 6 and 63).
People are just funny...
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telnet://sinep.gotdns.com -- It's a BBS -- "Call" it.
I'm glad they rejected it. The policy makers in America need to learn they cannot control the rest of the world. Hopefully other countries will see the error of their ways and follow Canada.
(And yes, I'm a US resident - born and raised here)
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telnet://sinep.gotdns.com - It's a BBS setup to remember the old days
Use something like netrunner (or another ANSI capable client) to connect
Being on UPN probably didn't help much either.
It hasn't helped that they have shown fucking baseball games the last two weeks.
If there have been new episodes, I have been unable to see them! >:|
Guess I'll have to find out the episode number/names so I can find them on eMule or some sort of bittorrent.
Damned UPN! Even more-so, DAMNED SPORTS!
Going private is irrelevant. McNealy is irrelevant. Veracity of Bill Gates and GWB is irrelevant. You will be assimilated. Bill Gates of MS has been chosen as the liaison to facilitate the assimilation. Resistance is futile.
Lower your Free and Open Source software and prepare to be boarded.
Ahh.. Only the full screen version needs iTunes (for whatever reason; I think it's stupid)..
Oh well..
What was wrong with just putting these things out in Quicktime? (it's bad enough that I've had to put quicktime on my PC in the first place when there are PLENTY if other more widely used codecs that could be used instead (and even work between Apple's computers and Windows computers!)
--From AKAImBatman (238306)
When you run CD/DVD burns on the Mac, they Just Work(TM). Microsoft is trying to replicate that. Linux is still, "Ok, dude. First figure out your CD drive. Then choose the command line programs that support your drive. Then create an ISO yourself, and insert a disk in the drive. Don't forget to unmount it before you eject, man! Now press 'burn' and pray to the penguin wanna-be-gods that it works the first time. If it doesn't, you'll need some righteous incantations to get it working!"
--From atriusofbricia (686672)
Have you never used k3b?
--From, ME!
All you have to do is look at his comment to show that he hasn't. Just reading what he had to say, it seems like he has little experience with any recent distro...
I'd guess he's just an Apple fan-boi who is trolling for karma (and so far it seems to be failing)
For the "integrated CD/DVD burning", well, I don't know if I'd want that integrated into my WM/X/Whatever. I find K3B quite nice. Even Arson was pretty good.
Funny enough, this is what I do with my Dish500. I take my projector, a white sheet, and my receive up there and point it.. :)
:)
This is also how I pointed my Starband dish when I moved..
Hmm, shall I watch the fuzzy, washed out version, or the sharp, high resolution version? Decisions, decisions....
:) )
You make a joke of this, but I know PLENTY of people that will continue to watch the crappy one so long as they don't have to buy anything at all.
There are lots of cheap people in the world (then, like me, there are those who can't afford to upgrade..
The "Info Display Panel" was done with Konfabulator (or whatever it's Linux counterpart is -- SuperKarumba, or something like that).
Nothing I've seen on this list is new. I've seen all of it in Linux, some of it before Windows/OSX, some of it after.
I think the companies ought to shut the hell up and make software (and hardware, in Apple's case -- I still believe that MS just gives out hardware designs and has a third party make it for them..)
I don't know how it works in other districts, but here the TC's are on salary. Basically, the schools are paying the person already -- upgrading software is their job, wether they are paying for it or not.
Schools don't (or at least shouldn't)pay that much for MS products.
Educational Resources (I believe there is one for each state -- I know there is one for Missouri and Iowa) takes care of schools.
They buy the media (usually betwwn $50 and $200) one time then buy licenses that can range from a few bucks per machine into the $20-$30 range (depending on the software).
If the schools aren't doing this, then the TC's of those schools aren't doing their job properly. There are many district and state related mailing lists that the TC's can get on that will provide this type of information.
I'm not saying that OpenOffice isn't a good thing to switch to -- I use it in the shop. I'm just saying that schools don't spend anywhere near what individuals (and even businesses, unless the business is very large and constantly threatens to go to other software to get a better deal) pay.
And that's a little offensive of you. I don't call people I disagree with stupid (well, unless they really deserve it, which I don't think you do)
Tough. The fact that you took what I said wrong is not my problem.
I've told many people this, so I may as well tell you. Telling someone that something they said was stupid != calling them stupid.
You maid my point in your statement. Linux is not ready for "Joe User" (Your wife, by your own description).
Why are you continuing to argue with me when you obviously agree with me?
Well done. Now I'll reply.
"Joe User" isn't supposed to be installing a printer on a print server. They aren't intended for "Joe User". They are intended for "Joe IT Guy" who should know this stuff, or at least know enough to look up the info in HP's knowledgebase. If he can't do that, he doesn't belong in the job he's in.
Your wife doesn't matter in this conversation. Property Law doesn't belong in this conversation either.
The "Front End" that the CUPS team may leave much to be desired, but anyone using the Mandriva/Red Hat/etc will either be in Gnome or KDE and have their front end to use (which is FAR better).
As for it being suited for a novice user -- untill several other advancements are made to linux, novice users really shouldn't be in Linux without someone around to help them. I'd love to see Linux get to that point (simply to spite MS)
As for someone needing to call for help to set something up. Are you trying to say that if I can't figure out the proper steps to take a water pump off of my car to replace it and have it work without some sort of instructions, that something is wrong with the process?
That's incredibly stupid of you. Yes, there is room for improvements, but just as with autos, you can't (yet) have everything just "plug in and work". There is much work on EVERYONE's part (EVERYONE = PC Parts manufacturers and software writers) that needs to be doen before that can happen -- even in Windows/OSX.
As another slashdotter pointed out to you, you are just unlucky.
That's funny, because neither my HP 970CXi nor my Cannon minded installing the software after connecting the printer.
How funny that you chose to ignore the fact that I stated any NEW printer. The 970 series are quite old by now... Looking through google, there are stories dating from 2000 that talk about the 970, and not having one in front of me, I'd have to say it's older than that -- so it doesn't fall under what I stated in my previous post.
I have gotten USB printers to work in CUPS with no problems(a couple cheap lexmarks and a Deskjet 960 that I have sitting in my closet (it was replaced by a 6122) as long as the USB Printing support is enabled in the kernel.
If the distro you are using had set everything up properly for you, CUPS is quite easy to use. I had to set CUPS up myself (with Gentoo), and even that wasn't all that difficult (Make sure 'cups' is in your USE= flags, merge cups, and merge the KDE package that deals with the system settings and your golden. Doesn't hurt to have the various packages that add printer drivers to the whole setup either).
I believe you are mistaken, however, I should have been abit more descriptive.
What I meant is that it is similar to the steps to manually setting up a printer in Windows (just going through my steps should have been clue enough, but you obviously missed it).
As for your description, well, it's wrong for about 100% of the "cheap-o" printers that many people will buy, and wrong for the rest, too.
There has never been a NEW printer, from about 2000 on, that I have been able to install by "plug it on, maybee install software, and print".
The steps are (usually) as follows:
1) Put in software CD. Run through setup software and wait for it to tell you to plug the printer in (this is for USB Printers -- most LPT printers -- getting more and more rare, especially in the sub-$200 range)
2) Once software is installed, you MIGHT be able to print, or you might have to reboot. In either case, you should be good.
*every* printer I have attempted to install by first "plugging it in" then choosing the driver on the CD has put something to the effect of "You must run SETUP" in the 'select your printer model' list.
Nice try, though.
I'd say it's a problem with your computer. I just filled out the form (1.0.3) with no problems.
Every JetDirect I've *ever* setup has been ip.address:9100 (for the first port, 9101 for the second, 9102 for the third, etc).
I'm not saying there aren't any HP devices that differ from this, but in the last 8 years, I have never encountered anything different.
If you search HP's forums, there are many threads that deal with this. Hell, if it was under warranty, you could even have called HP's support.
This is what I find funny about "I've been a (insert OS) admin for X years" comments on slashdot. I *always* see them in front of "It took me (insane amount of time) to do (quite simple thing) because I refused to ask for help!" comments.
I'm not meaning this as a troll. You can take it as a slam against you, or not. I'm just stating what I've observed.
"KDE Menu" (Start Menu equivelent for Windows users)
"Settings"
"Print Manager"
Right-click -- "Add Printer/Class"
Choose connection (from local ports to various network settings)
Choose brand/model
Test
Done.
Oddly, it's *very* similar to the steps needed to set a printer up in Windows.
What is so difficult with this?
(All that and I didn't even mention that I use Gentoo for my distro!)
(DOH!)
Jaba (or however it is spelled) is over twice the size of the humans he kept around him (well, the version that was in the later of the three series - I don't recall what he looked like in the first of them).
:)
Then there was that huge creature that was in the 'dungeon' that was about to kill Han (I think that was him) under Jaba's little slab of whatever it was he was resting on.
Not *all* the aliens are humanoids, or their size..