>If Moore was really so anxious about telling the truth (as he wants us to believe), I would like to see his take on the military prowress of Kerry, especially as it relates to Iraq.
I think your missing the 2 biggest cost of transportation.
1) Roads, the roads cost more than fuel, tax's on fuel doesn't come close to maintaing the road infrustructure for SUV's, car's trucks, etc.
2) Vehicles, the avg consumer cost of each mile traveled is now $.32/mile, thats insurance, and depreciation, maintance. fuel is only $.10 worth of that. having 3 vehicles, for each different purpose more than doubles the cost of having a single multi-use vehicle. multi vehicle insurance discounts don't cut it, and oil needs changed, filters, belts fixed regularly, even if the vehicle is used sparingly. (windshield wipers, fluids, tires, go bad just sitting) same with depreciation.
> mega-lo-mart can be solved in the urban environment by grocery delivery. > package delivery Fed-ex, UPS, USPO,etc are almost to the point that you can cheaply have a package delivered in town same day.
granted these solutions still wear the roads as bad as a suv, but route planning software can minimize loaded miles, and the Payload to Gross vehicle weight is much better than your SUV.
so I think this may be the near future, you got a pod for each family member, all linked together so the 10 year old doesn't drive, you have package delivery take everything else you need. The passenger lanes are remarked to be 3' wide. you got one wide lane for package delivery vehicles. They are light, and small, so less road infrustructure, only one lane needs to support #10,000 vehicles. replace overpasses with lighter structures as they retire...
Don't forget the roads. I heard specifically in california it was more than $2 per mile driven, in cost to build and maintain the road over the life of the road. Even when divided by the number of car miles drivin on it in it's life. How much of that is due to the price of the land bought for the project, would that make CA more costly than say the salty roads of the midwest?
So your other tax's still paid $2 per mile for you to drive that hybrid, you only reduced your gas cost by $0.05 something less than a 2% reduction in the incremental cost of driving the car.
Also the other interesting thing, (local environment argument only) was that with the amount of older cars around. That newer car systems (after using a Air filter, then burning it , then catalizing it...) exhaust cleaner air than they intake. so if you stop your prius in rush hour traffic, and you engine shuts off, you are doing less to clean the air, than the guy who paid $5000 less for that same model year standard car, still running in front of you.
I think the prevailing point of the anti hybrids hype, here is true.
almost 0 emissions = FALSE better for the environment = FALSE better for your local environment = TRUE (assuming you don't live in detroit/japan/china) wherever the steal/batteries/etc is manfg)
I claim this cause the cost of the car is related to how much energy/resources/etc is used to build the car.
With profit margins the lowest, or negative on Hybrid cars, they are probably worse for the environment than equivilent cars, today.
I do disagree with higher maintnance arguments. most of the componets (except possibly batteries) should live longer cheaper, etc, etc.
it is definitly much easier to build a engine that will live forever if it doesn't have to produce a wide varying torque range. it will last longer run more efficient, and be lighter duty.
all the other electric componets have a huge amount of experience in worse environmets (factories, fork lifts, golf carts, etc, etc) that they should be able to handle that design straight away.
in general probably the cheapest form of transportation is better for the total environment. (but not necessary local environment)
hmm for good Karma, what happens if change Diebold for microsoft, and voting for windows, elections=work
Microsoft obviously is aware (as we all are) of the security problems with its Windows machines but has chosen to stonewall them in a wild rush to get Microsoft windows systems installed as widely as possible. The integrity of our entire national work process is at stake here and it is the foundation of our government and its constitution. Microsoft is just as dangerous to our country as any group of wild-eyed moslem fanatics and they deserve the same treatment...the sooner the better. I would start by transporting the entire Microsoft executive committee to some of those tropical confines at Guantanomo Bay.
> I stick with dial-up at home because the fix at work is free. I do the DL/s at work at much higher than DSL
I agree, and do the same. all but the $30 cheaper. either like me, I have a phone line almost exclusivly for internet. so it is ~$30/month for the line, and $10 for the ISP. when I lived where it was available, and had a cable modem, it was an additional $35 a month ($5 cheaper than my current setup, this is because of the higher taxes on phone service.)
of course you could claim you needed the phone line anyway, but then your tyeing up your phone, and losing the use of it when your home. also a major inconvienience.
I do think browsing with mozilla, and tabbed browsing, adaware blocked adds... I do have to change my browsing habits at home. but after that the experience for web pages is not much worse (until I start a download.)
failed to call them... inform people who wanted his business
just me, or bandwith issues aside, will spam filters become good enough, that instead of IRC, builiten boards... just broadcast all public messages to every email address in the world. Let the spam filters decide who would be interested.
filters figure out you want to know about your sons name, and criminal detention, in this state...
unless you are on the same localnet, appears you still must register, and log into a SIP provider.
definitly must loginto a SIP provider to bridge onto the POTS lines we all use today. (or run your own, which ties you back to your POT line, that I assume you already had access to without this tech.)
>still need to wire an internal distribution network for power within your house
good point.
In the end it is always wired. for the WiFi/cell phone/TV/cordless phone the antenna (a wire, usually) feeds more wires, which run to a CPU, that runs a wire to the Analog device (be it speaker/crt/flat panel...)
I get satalite TV, it runs via wire to all the TV's. I got a WiFi Access,point but my PC's are wired eithernet together (Wifi for laptop/pda's).
In my ideal neighborhood, not connected to the Power Grid but solar, I would wire my neighborhood houses together, so I could get some momentary suplemental power, without battery losses from those people, out of town,etc with fully charged batterys, and some special needs juice. (also dense neighboorhoods, would need more than their rooftops with solar panels, so a central power unit, especially for sunless days...)
but not a nation-wide grid 3* connected, running giga watts over mega volt lines, at least not so large as to have to cover household use also.
might be a bit off topic, but wiring for power should probably go away. granted power over lines is currently cheaper than the.5 acre of solar panel / house. but I suspect the total cost is greater over the power grid is now much greater than solor. If it weren't for the REA the ongoing install/upgrade/maintain/protect from terorism of the grid, is greater than the solor panels...
except the article shows that a spinning coin (and I assume it would apply to anytime the coin is on it's edge) is more biased than the flipping bias, at least for a penny. theirfore if the penny hitting a surface will expose this 80% bias to tails, and it will strike the edge greater than 2% of the time. you have then made the outcome more biased by using a surface contact, than it was before.
Personally I am more interested in Dice anyway. Last I checked no casino's had coin flipping as a $$ game.
Every version of windows, as shipped, now has security holes that will be exploited imediatly upon going on-line. I tried to go online with a new ms install, and was infected with a virus, before I could download a single patch.
The correct way, according to ms is to patch the OS is through the windows update site (it's hard to find the individual files for download, only going to windowsupdate.com with a non IExplore browser directs me to the patches for download otherwise.)
To my knowledge ms doesn't ship a single os that is secure enough to go online to patch it's self. maybe 98sp2, but to my knowledge their is no way to get a patched windows XP box without going online first (any patch CD's shipped from MS????)
I can concure with this scenario. I forgot to plug in this fan when I messed with my hard drive. The unit got hot enough to melt the plastic on the HU card, and broke the fiber optic sound output, before shutting down.
Granted, Not Tivo's fault in my case. And I have had no other problems since replacing the fan.
> we're the only ones who publish the source code,'
as a embedded programer, I always found that a bit useless. unless you can verify the md5 sum from reading your compilation of the source, or completly reload the phone after you compiled it. then saying this is secure because we showed some source, used at some point, is not much more than having it closed.
So, instead of students shareing files direct to each other, 100% of that traffic will no be streamed outside the network, and how does that save bandwith? not to mention, if I listen to the same song more than once a year, how does streaming vs downloading reduce bandwith?
ok, maybe penn state students are sharers, and not downloaders, then bandwith is saved. assuming these non-downloaders, will give up sharing???
what I would say is saved, would be fewer adware programs installed on students PC's, and less chance of the U getting a call from the RIAA.
> But where does the limit stand between what we can do with the net and the user experience that we'd all like to have?
I thought the line was obvious, if you are supplying text, then a text add, obviously indicated as such.
if your a picture content deliver, then picture adds, are what would be acccepted.
If your content is flash animation's, then sure, flash animation for ad's is right on.
But if you want me to install/launch a flash player to read text news, forget you, you crossed 3 lines of content.
This was automatically the rule in prvious media. I mean you don't have to worry about radio sending you video advertising. or TV supplying aroma or feal advertising.
but now with so many forms of content distributed over the net, somehow web admins get it in their mind, that someone who comes to their sight for one form of content, should be expected to have 10* the amount of bandwith dedicated to ad's as content.
would you continue watching TV, if 10 minutes of content were surounded with 100minutes of pure advertising, with no content in the ad's? I would guess radio and tv have a ratio of 22 minutes of content supported by 8 minutes of ad's. If your bandwith use is to a simular ratio, then I got no problem with that, no blocking from me.
Correct, the direct marketing industry should be trying to get the phone companys to help, by disconnecting, and reporting abusers. Alos helping to reduce the cost of caller id to their customers to help make telemarketing traceable, and legit.
Instead they seam to defend the fraudsters in their industry, and not be interested in laws that might help with reducing fraud. So if your really a telemarketer incourage your company to change the opion of your phone comany, and industry leaders, to save the industry.
> the harder it is to find someone to do it Then you realise, Their are millions of people in this world that are willing to dive into raw sewage naked for the equivilent pay of $.25
I had a simular Job situation, They asked the sallaried people to clock in for attendence. Then they setup a simular bitch script.
when I got 'caught' up they sent a letter to my boss. I sent a letter back to all included highlighting the 2*1 minute late, and 45 minute after hours events.
In this case my boss backed HR, and asked me to be sure I was on time. from that time, until the time I found a new job a few months later. I stood in line at 4:28 with all the hourly employees waiting to clock out at 4:30.
The most important thing was this made me feel good. If you do this thinking it is screwing your employer, but don't enjoy talking with the hourly people, then it's not worth it.
If I was late by a minute, then I forget to clock in, they call me, and write in the time for that day.
Not exactly, you can legally place a high gain antenna on the Access point, getting up to 1 Watt Equivilent power (comercial data AP's are limited to 100 mW EQP,) if you have filled the specific application to the FCC.
IBM would not have a problem getting that approved, especially for a demo.
Then they would have several thousand feet, safely, from the access point, even with a lower than 100mW reciever in the plane.
> I think hybrids are great for environment and a cool techno gadget, but hopes of saving on gas - forget about it.
Going to the junk yard, and bringing back a dead vehicle from parts will cost the environment much less over the life of the vehicle, than manufacturing a new car, and through trickle down - parking, or pushing another car into the land fill. (assuming you keep it tuned up and maintained.)
now as far as the air in your city, since the cars are manufactured in other countrys, some of that environmental impact of the hybrid only kills the rain forrests, not the local air...
> you need $60,000 just to live in California vs $20,000 to...
In this global economy $60,000 is $60,000 dollars. The cost to the business is the same, if you choose to live in CA, just having more sun, more beach is supposed to compensate for the lower purchasing power. To make more, you need to be more productive, regardless where you live
now this argument starts to break down, for busineses that sell mostly in the same area, thus sell at a inflated price, and thus can pay more.
Now some will say, I can't move, I am living with my parents. well then your cost to live in CA should be less than to live elsewhere, so shutup and be productive.
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>If Moore was really so anxious about telling the truth (as he wants us to believe), I would like to see his take on the military prowress of Kerry, especially as it relates to Iraq.
maybe he was constrained by the truth after all:
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seams to debunk your link.
I think your missing the 2 biggest cost of transportation.
1) Roads, the roads cost more than fuel, tax's on fuel doesn't come close to maintaing the road infrustructure for SUV's, car's trucks, etc.
2) Vehicles, the avg consumer cost of each mile traveled is now $.32/mile, thats insurance, and depreciation, maintance. fuel is only $.10 worth of that. having 3 vehicles, for each different purpose more than doubles the cost of having a single multi-use vehicle. multi vehicle insurance discounts don't cut it, and oil needs changed, filters, belts fixed regularly, even if the vehicle is used sparingly. (windshield wipers, fluids, tires, go bad just sitting) same with depreciation.
> mega-lo-mart
can be solved in the urban environment by grocery delivery.
> package delivery
Fed-ex, UPS, USPO,etc are almost to the point that you can cheaply have a package delivered in town same day.
granted these solutions still wear the roads as bad as a suv, but route planning software can minimize loaded miles, and the Payload to Gross vehicle weight is much better than your SUV.
so I think this may be the near future, you got a pod for each family member, all linked together so the 10 year old doesn't drive, you have package delivery take everything else you need. The passenger lanes are remarked to be 3' wide. you got one wide lane for package delivery vehicles.
They are light, and small, so less road infrustructure, only one lane needs to support #10,000 vehicles. replace overpasses with lighter structures as they retire...
now, if they adapt this technology to womens bra's and underware.
then no more free looks?
Don't forget the roads. I heard specifically in california it was more than $2 per mile driven, in cost to build and maintain the road over the life of the road. Even when divided by the number of car miles drivin on it in it's life. How much of that is due to the price of the land bought for the project, would that make CA more costly than say the salty roads of the midwest?
So your other tax's still paid $2 per mile for you to drive that hybrid, you only reduced your gas cost by $0.05 something less than a 2% reduction in the incremental cost of driving the car.
Also the other interesting thing, (local environment argument only) was that with the amount of older cars around. That newer car systems (after using a Air filter, then burning it , then catalizing it...) exhaust cleaner air than they intake. so if you stop your prius in rush hour traffic, and you engine shuts off, you are doing less to clean the air, than the guy who paid $5000 less for that same model year standard car, still running in front of you.
I think the prevailing point of the anti hybrids hype, here is true.
almost 0 emissions = FALSE
better for the environment = FALSE
better for your local environment = TRUE
(assuming you don't live in detroit/japan/china) wherever the steal/batteries/etc is manfg)
I claim this cause the cost of the car is related to how much energy/resources/etc is used to build the car.
With profit margins the lowest, or negative on Hybrid cars, they are probably worse for the environment than equivilent cars, today.
I do disagree with higher maintnance arguments. most of the componets (except possibly batteries) should live longer cheaper, etc, etc.
it is definitly much easier to build a engine that will live forever if it doesn't have to produce a wide varying torque range. it will last longer run more efficient, and be lighter duty.
all the other electric componets have a huge amount of experience in worse environmets (factories, fork lifts, golf carts, etc, etc) that they should be able to handle that design straight away.
in general probably the cheapest form of transportation is better for the total environment.
(but not necessary local environment)
Microsoft obviously is aware (as we all are) of the security problems with its Windows machines but has chosen to stonewall them in a wild rush to get Microsoft windows systems installed as widely as possible. The integrity of our entire national work process is at stake here and it is the foundation of our government and its constitution. Microsoft is just as dangerous to our country as any group of wild-eyed moslem fanatics and they deserve the same treatment...the sooner the better. I would start by transporting the entire Microsoft executive committee to some of those tropical confines at Guantanomo Bay.
> I stick with dial-up at home because the fix at work is free. I do the DL/s at work at much higher than DSL
I agree, and do the same. all but the $30 cheaper. either like me, I have a phone line almost exclusivly for internet. so it is ~$30/month for the line, and $10 for the ISP. when I lived where it was available, and had a cable modem, it was an additional $35 a month ($5 cheaper than my current setup, this is because of the higher taxes on phone service.)
of course you could claim you needed the phone line anyway, but then your tyeing up your phone, and losing the use of it when your home. also a major inconvienience.
I do think browsing with mozilla, and tabbed browsing, adaware blocked adds... I do have to change my browsing habits at home. but after that the experience for web pages is not much worse (until I start a download.)
obligatory simpsons quote:
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even
remotely true."
failed to call them ... inform people who wanted his business
just me, or bandwith issues aside, will spam filters become good enough, that instead of IRC, builiten boards... just broadcast all public messages to every email address in the world. Let the spam filters decide who would be interested.
filters figure out you want to know about your sons name, and criminal detention, in this state...
unless you are on the same localnet, appears you still must register, and log into a SIP provider.
definitly must loginto a SIP provider to bridge onto the POTS lines we all use today. (or run your own, which ties you back to your POT line, that I assume you already had access to without this tech.)
mod parent funney, I think was their intent.
>still need to wire an internal distribution network for power within your house
good point.
In the end it is always wired. for the WiFi/cell phone/TV/cordless phone the antenna (a wire, usually) feeds more wires, which run to a CPU, that runs a wire to the Analog device (be it speaker/crt/flat panel...)
I get satalite TV, it runs via wire to all the TV's. I got a WiFi Access,point but my PC's are wired eithernet together (Wifi for laptop/pda's).
In my ideal neighborhood, not connected to the Power Grid but solar, I would wire my neighborhood houses together, so I could get some momentary suplemental power, without battery losses from those people, out of town,etc with fully charged batterys, and some special needs juice.
(also dense neighboorhoods, would need more than their rooftops with solar panels, so a central power unit, especially for sunless days...)
but not a nation-wide grid 3* connected, running giga watts over mega volt lines, at least not so large as to have to cover household use also.
might be a bit off topic, .5 acre of solar panel / house. but I suspect the total cost is greater over the power grid is now much greater than solor. If it weren't for the REA the ongoing install/upgrade/maintain/protect from terorism of the grid, is greater than the solor panels...
but wiring for power should probably go away.
granted power over lines is currently cheaper than the
except the article shows that a spinning coin (and I assume it would apply to anytime the coin is on it's edge) is more biased than the flipping bias, at least for a penny.
theirfore if the penny hitting a surface will expose this 80% bias to tails, and it will strike the edge greater than 2% of the time. you have then made the outcome more biased by using a surface contact, than it was before.
Personally I am more interested in Dice anyway. Last I checked no casino's had coin flipping as a $$ game.
Is my recent experience prudent here?
Every version of windows, as shipped, now has security holes that will be exploited imediatly upon going on-line. I tried to go online with a new ms install, and was infected with a virus, before I could download a single patch.
The correct way, according to ms is to patch the OS is through the windows update site (it's hard to find the individual files for download, only going to windowsupdate.com with a non IExplore browser directs me to the patches for download otherwise.)
To my knowledge ms doesn't ship a single os that is secure enough to go online to patch it's self. maybe 98sp2, but to my knowledge their is no way to get a patched windows XP box without going online first (any patch CD's shipped from MS????)
well, looks he was exagerating, unless ebay has some.
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$259 (after $20 mail in rebate) + free shipping according to pricewatch.com at:
http://www.shopharmony.com/product.asp?file=PWA
I can concure with this scenario. I forgot to plug in this fan when I messed with my hard drive. The unit got hot enough to melt the plastic on the HU card, and broke the fiber optic sound output, before shutting down.
Granted, Not Tivo's fault in my case. And I have had no other problems since replacing the fan.
> we're the only ones who publish the source code,'
as a embedded programer, I always found that a bit useless. unless you can verify the md5 sum from reading your compilation of the source, or completly reload the phone after you compiled it. then saying this is secure because we showed some source, used at some point, is not much more than having it closed.
> Score 3, Insightful?
So, instead of students shareing files direct to each other, 100% of that traffic will no be streamed outside the network, and how does that save bandwith? not to mention, if I listen to the same song more than once a year, how does streaming vs downloading reduce bandwith?
ok, maybe penn state students are sharers, and not downloaders, then bandwith is saved. assuming these non-downloaders, will give up sharing???
what I would say is saved, would be fewer adware programs installed on students PC's, and less chance of the U getting a call from the RIAA.
> But where does the limit stand between what we can do with the net and the user experience that we'd all like to have?
I thought the line was obvious, if you are supplying text, then a text add, obviously indicated as such.
if your a picture content deliver, then picture adds, are what would be acccepted.
If your content is flash animation's, then sure, flash animation for ad's is right on.
But if you want me to install/launch a flash player to read text news, forget you, you crossed 3 lines of content.
This was automatically the rule in prvious media. I mean you don't have to worry about radio sending you video advertising. or TV supplying aroma or feal advertising.
but now with so many forms of content distributed over the net, somehow web admins get it in their mind, that someone who comes to their sight for one form of content, should be expected to have 10* the amount of bandwith dedicated to ad's as content.
would you continue watching TV, if 10 minutes of content were surounded with 100minutes of pure advertising, with no content in the ad's? I would guess radio and tv have a ratio of 22 minutes of content supported by 8 minutes of ad's. If your bandwith use is to a simular ratio, then I got no problem with that, no blocking from me.
Correct, the direct marketing industry should be trying to get the phone companys to help, by disconnecting, and reporting abusers. Alos helping to reduce the cost of caller id to their customers to help make telemarketing traceable, and legit.
Instead they seam to defend the fraudsters in their industry, and not be interested in laws that might help with reducing fraud. So if your really a telemarketer incourage your company to change the opion of your phone comany, and industry leaders, to save the industry.
> the harder it is to find someone to do it
Then you realise, Their are millions of people in this world that are willing to dive into raw sewage naked for the equivilent pay of $.25
I had a simular Job situation,
They asked the sallaried people to clock in for attendence. Then they setup a simular bitch script.
when I got 'caught' up they sent a letter to my boss. I sent a letter back to all included highlighting the 2*1 minute late, and 45 minute after hours events.
In this case my boss backed HR, and asked me to be sure I was on time. from that time, until the time I found a new job a few months later. I stood in line at 4:28 with all the hourly employees waiting to clock out at 4:30.
The most important thing was this made me feel good. If you do this thinking it is screwing your employer, but don't enjoy talking with the hourly people, then it's not worth it.
If I was late by a minute, then I forget to clock in, they call me, and write in the time for that day.
Not exactly, you can legally place a high gain antenna on the Access point, getting up to 1 Watt Equivilent power (comercial data AP's are limited to 100 mW EQP,) if you have filled the specific application to the FCC.
IBM would not have a problem getting that approved, especially for a demo.
Then they would have several thousand feet, safely, from the access point, even with a lower than 100mW reciever in the plane.
> I think hybrids are great for environment and a cool techno gadget, but hopes of saving on gas - forget about it.
Going to the junk yard, and bringing back a dead vehicle from parts will cost the environment much less over the life of the vehicle, than manufacturing a new car, and through trickle down - parking, or pushing another car into the land fill. (assuming you keep it tuned up and maintained.)
now as far as the air in your city, since the cars are manufactured in other countrys, some of that environmental impact of the hybrid only kills the rain forrests, not the local air...
> you need $60,000 just to live in California vs $20,000 to...
In this global economy $60,000 is $60,000 dollars. The cost to the business is the same, if you choose to live in CA, just having more sun, more beach is supposed to compensate for the lower purchasing power. To make more, you need to be more productive, regardless where you live
now this argument starts to break down, for busineses that sell mostly in the same area, thus sell at a inflated price, and thus can pay more.
Now some will say, I can't move, I am living with my parents. well then your cost to live in CA should be less than to live elsewhere, so shutup and be productive.