its useless drivel like this that makes wikipedia look like a comedic joke. ( aside from the politicians pumping their own ( or opponents ) entries... thats just comedy )
when i want to find shit out, i like to search wikipedia. when it comes up with 'naquadah generators' it makes you think the thing is driven by a bunch of high school trekkies with far too much time on their hands.
sorry for the rant jimbo, but please keep this shit out of wikia or whatever the wikipedia #2 is called.
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CENTOS is ideal for any dev work that will eventually be deployed to RHEL, as its basically the same binaries with the redhat copyrighted stuff removed. ( and sans support contract...)
we tend to set up vm's as dev and staging environments per project, last count there was about 30 dormant and 5 active on our vmware box.
as for the compiz & desktop candy.. you can thank fedora for that finding its way to centos... of course you dont have to install or even use it.
[user@newbox]# cat/etc/auto.home # sets up the auto-mounted home directories from server ( the nfs home directory server ) * server:/home/&
takes about a minute on the client, and of course 2-3 minutes to set up the nfs server to begin with.
of course you put that in combination with a decent kickstart configuration and common ldap authentication, and your new box is home as soon as you log in for the first time.
should be the same effect as 'roaming profiles' for the windows encumbered amongst us:)
i have had a number of dells over the last couple of years, always with the next business day on site warranty ( yeah, costs a bit at first.. but worth it ).
i load linux up within minutes of cracking the box open, and for each of my last 2 laptops, when parts have failed, tech comes out, sees that a. the screen has a dead pixel, so replaced it, and b.) the main board died. dead. replaced it.
dont know what hp was thinking, but dell have a pretty good customer service thing going.
I had a problem with exchange and had to use a MS support call. I had the solution within the hour. i had a problem with postfix. i pushed the mesage from the error log into goole, and had the solution within minutes.
didnt cost me an M$ Gold partner status ( plus how many M$ licenses? ) to get the result i needed.
i also had another programming issue that an unrelated mailing list provided the answer for. i just asked google a different question.
or did i just look at the source for the framework i was using?
and to think i threw mod points at some crap yesterday..
the other thing about.NET vs. java ( and its the same in any language/platform debate ) is the availability of libraries and a pool of talented developers. i'm sure over time ther'll be more.net types around, but really, apart from cloning all the java libraries and frameworks ( see NHibernate ),.NET just doesnt have the pull or the momentum.
that, and i tell ya the slop i've seen passed off as '.NET' in the last couple of years which turns out to be vbscript in asp pages, its surprising that anyone takes.NET seriously at all.
even better with java it allows you to code to a specification ( j2ee ) rather than an implementation, and you invariably end up with truely portable code which can be deployed to a variety of vendor platforms, containers and jvms. voila! no vendor lock in!
oh, and sun gpl'ing their implementation should put the icing on the cake. theres a few posts above that waffle on about being able to run on 90% of the market ( ie: windows [pardon the pun] ), i'll forgive their ignorance and point at the sun e10k's costing megabucks which java apps are king. know what else? i can usually deploy the same app on my home server ( retired p3 desktop) in tomcat with confidence it'll run.
try firing up a meaty.net app on an 8 year old machine with 1/2 a gig of ram and see how far ya get. ( include db, web and app container )
basically, the fedora team looked at what ff is doing, decided ff2 was a halfway house for what ff3 will be ( that being a true platform that can be broken down into components like gecko properly ), and so concentrating on that as the next major update to the browser that the $DISTRIBUTION packages.
you are more than welcome to go grab the.tar.gz from mozilla directly, it will run fine. they also provide a package in the development repository for the more intrepid.
i think thats pretty much the same problem the original thread of this slashdot post comes down to... ESR has determined that he'd like something that isnt in the $DISTRIBUTION to run on his machine, and has brute forced the package manager to install it with a --force or --nodeps or something.
$DISTRIBUTIONs are about providing a base system and a set of packages ( for which updates are provided for a given period ), and these are usually pretty well tested for compatibility before being pushed out into the software repositories.
what ESR appears to ask his $DISTRIBUTION to do is bend over and take a --force enima, then found his system was borked, and tried to set $DISTRIBUTION alight to make it known he wasnt happy. didnt bother to read the gun nut's comments, but i bet he didnt mention his recent involvement with linspire.
so i cant see how his actions ( and result ) could possibly be the fault of the $DISTRIBUTION
personally, i've been with redhat on my desktop since rh6, and have never had a problem with any release in either the rh or fedora brands. when i wanted software that wasnt in the official package repositories, i worked out what to do to find and configure other repositories, read what compatibility issues may arise ( these are pretty much stated in every 3rd party repository website ), then proceeded with care.
where dependency issues arise, you pick and choose what is worth installing with the package manager, and what is better off installed in/usr/local with a source build.
often the issue(s) are more likely to be that the packages themselves have been built with dependencies from too new or too old flavours of the $DISTRIBUTION, which would be something the package maintainer should be responsible for, and for the 3rd party repository maintainer(s) to ensure that the package sets identified for a particular $DISTRIBUTION are compatible with the base system libraries.
vanilla fedora, plus extras has always been stable for me, even after adding livna, atrpms and jpackage stuff ( although i did manage to get my tomcat and java libs pretty toasted with fc4 & jpackage...but not my whole OS).
i stopped giving them gold coins, folding money and all a long time ago.
alas they keep assaulting my senses ( and sensisbilities ) with television, radio and billboards.
its the poor sods who believe the hype and actually think 'britney rocks' that get suckered in to it all, and lo and behlod, the *iaa actually goes after them! get em addicted to crack, they find a way to get it free, then the crack dealer comes round with the heavies and musses 'em up.
i prefer to donate directly to the artist, and a $5 cover charge ( a few gold coins) to see a local band is about right for me.
i thought this {legality | prosecution | persecution} hadnt been thoroughly tested in the courts, because when the 800 kg gorilla that is the *iaa team of lawyers descends on unsuspecting accused, they take the _much_ cheaper option and pay the protection money demanded as 'settlement'. the few cases where the accused has said 'thems fighting words, lets step outside', the *iaa backs off.
just 'cause the *iaa keeps bleating 'youre stealing, its illegal, etc' doesnt make it so.
i'd throw a few gold coins his way too, as this looks like a pretty good vector to prise open the *iaa shenanigans
Use Windows until you have reason to use Linux. Don't use Linux until it's better for you.
i think thats a grammatical typo, what you probably mean is 'use linux until you have reason to use windows. dont use windows until its better for you'.
esp. given the original query and notes the need for latext, web and some programming.
and cygwin? ewww! why fake *nix on windows when you can have the real thing for free?
inboxes separated into accounts, and when sending, defaults to the currently selected account, and provides a dropdown list in the from: field while you compose.
yet another reason to run linux on your desktop imho.
( though the novell shenanigans of late are making me a little nervous )
see, the way i see it, if you have time to migrate to another distro, you have time to migrate to the newer release of the same distro, but with less pain.
i just make sure i find time every 12-18 months. same flavour distro, newer packages.
( i never could fully appreciate the debian ( hence ubuntu..) habit of smashing packages down to the smallest possible components so your apt-install has to grab a bazillion packages to get anything useful going, but each to their own...)
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y'see!
its useless drivel like this that makes wikipedia look like a comedic joke. ( aside from the politicians pumping their own ( or opponents ) entries... thats just comedy )
when i want to find shit out, i like to search wikipedia. when it comes up with 'naquadah generators' it makes you think the thing is driven by a bunch of high school trekkies with far too much time on their hands.
sorry for the rant jimbo, but please keep this shit out of wikia or whatever the wikipedia #2 is called.
*wipes brow*
the other one needs to just go away.
oblig simpsons:
homer: 'i know, we'll digg our way out!
wiggum: 'no, no, digg up stupid'
CENTOS is ideal for any dev work that will eventually be deployed to RHEL, as its basically the same binaries with the redhat copyrighted stuff removed. ( and sans support contract ...)
we tend to set up vm's as dev and staging environments per project, last count there was about 30 dormant and 5 active on our vmware box.
as for the compiz & desktop candy.. you can thank fedora for that finding its way to centos... of course you dont have to install or even use it.
[user@newbox]# cat
# sets up the auto-mounted home directories from server ( the nfs home directory server )
* server:/home/&
takes about a minute on the client, and of course 2-3 minutes to set up the nfs server to begin with.
of course you put that in combination with a decent kickstart configuration and common ldap authentication, and your new box is home as soon as you log in for the first time.
should be the same effect as 'roaming profiles' for the windows encumbered amongst us
dell doesnt play that game.
i have had a number of dells over the last couple of years, always with the next business day on site warranty ( yeah, costs a bit at first.. but worth it ).
i load linux up within minutes of cracking the box open, and for each of my last 2 laptops, when parts have failed, tech comes out, sees that a. the screen has a dead pixel, so replaced it, and b.) the main board died. dead. replaced it.
dont know what hp was thinking, but dell have a pretty good customer service thing going.
didnt cost me an M$ Gold partner status ( plus how many M$ licenses? ) to get the result i needed.
i also had another programming issue that an unrelated mailing list provided the answer for. i just asked google a different question.
or did i just look at the source for the framework i was using?
probably not though.
:) )
( and i'm sure netcraft will confirm it
+1
they could even call it 'dellinux'
and control updates.
and control package sets.
they already have a bunch of linux stuff: http://linux.dell.com/ so why not just make the final step?
theres a ton of completely open source distros managed and maintained entirely by volunteers, so why couldnt a multinational like dell do the same?
+10
.NET vs. java ( and its the same in any language/platform debate ) is the availability of libraries and a pool of talented developers. i'm sure over time ther'll be more .net types around, but really, apart from cloning all the java libraries and frameworks ( see NHibernate ), .NET just doesnt have the pull or the momentum.
.NET seriously at all.
.net app on an 8 year old machine with 1/2 a gig of ram and see how far ya get. ( include db, web and app container )
and to think i threw mod points at some crap yesterday..
the other thing about
that, and i tell ya the slop i've seen passed off as '.NET' in the last couple of years which turns out to be vbscript in asp pages, its surprising that anyone takes
even better with java it allows you to code to a specification ( j2ee ) rather than an implementation, and you invariably end up with truely portable code which can be deployed to a variety of vendor platforms, containers and jvms. voila! no vendor lock in!
oh, and sun gpl'ing their implementation should put the icing on the cake. theres a few posts above that waffle on about being able to run on 90% of the market ( ie: windows [pardon the pun] ), i'll forgive their ignorance and point at the sun e10k's costing megabucks which java apps are king. know what else? i can usually deploy the same app on my home server ( retired p3 desktop) in tomcat with confidence it'll run.
try firing up a meaty
i thought bombing the crap out of any country that doesnt act the way america wants was the plan?
just like dick chaney lets us think we still run australia.
see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Firefox2
.tar.gz from mozilla directly, it will run fine. they also provide a package in the development repository for the more intrepid.
/usr/local with a source build.
basically, the fedora team looked at what ff is doing, decided ff2 was a halfway house for what ff3 will be ( that being a true platform that can be broken down into components like gecko properly ), and so concentrating on that as the next major update to the browser that the $DISTRIBUTION packages.
you are more than welcome to go grab the
i think thats pretty much the same problem the original thread of this slashdot post comes down to... ESR has determined that he'd like something that isnt in the $DISTRIBUTION to run on his machine, and has brute forced the package manager to install it with a --force or --nodeps or something.
$DISTRIBUTIONs are about providing a base system and a set of packages ( for which updates are provided for a given period ), and these are usually pretty well tested for compatibility before being pushed out into the software repositories.
what ESR appears to ask his $DISTRIBUTION to do is bend over and take a --force enima, then found his system was borked, and tried to set $DISTRIBUTION alight to make it known he wasnt happy. didnt bother to read the gun nut's comments, but i bet he didnt mention his recent involvement with linspire.
so i cant see how his actions ( and result ) could possibly be the fault of the $DISTRIBUTION
personally, i've been with redhat on my desktop since rh6, and have never had a problem with any release in either the rh or fedora brands. when i wanted software that wasnt in the official package repositories, i worked out what to do to find and configure other repositories, read what compatibility issues may arise ( these are pretty much stated in every 3rd party repository website ), then proceeded with care.
where dependency issues arise, you pick and choose what is worth installing with the package manager, and what is better off installed in
often the issue(s) are more likely to be that the packages themselves have been built with dependencies from too new or too old flavours of the $DISTRIBUTION, which would be something the package maintainer should be responsible for, and for the 3rd party repository maintainer(s) to ensure that the package sets identified for a particular $DISTRIBUTION are compatible with the base system libraries.
vanilla fedora, plus extras has always been stable for me, even after adding livna, atrpms and jpackage stuff ( although i did manage to get my tomcat and java libs pretty toasted with fc4 & jpackage...but not my whole OS).
i thought the gold coin bit might have clued you in to the part where ( like most of the world), i'm from a metric speaking hemisphere.
800 kg kangaroo? big roo...
so these are about to disappear:
http://jakarta.apache.org/
http://tomcat.apache.org/
http://struts.apache.org/
http://maven.apache.org/
http://ant.apache.org/
http://xml.apache.org/
http://cayenne.apache.org/
http://i.could.go.on/
yeah, java is toast, no community, no common frameworks, no pool of available talent.
( all this from one free/open source software foundation with as open a license to use as you like)
perhaps dude just likes smoking crack and dreaming flex?
good.
:)
more for me.
duh
i stopped giving them gold coins, folding money and all a long time ago.
alas they keep assaulting my senses ( and sensisbilities ) with television, radio and billboards.
its the poor sods who believe the hype and actually think 'britney rocks' that get suckered in to it all, and lo and behlod, the *iaa actually goes after them! get em addicted to crack, they find a way to get it free, then the crack dealer comes round with the heavies and musses 'em up.
i prefer to donate directly to the artist, and a $5 cover charge ( a few gold coins) to see a local band is about right for me.
i thought this {legality | prosecution | persecution} hadnt been thoroughly tested in the courts, because when the 800 kg gorilla that is the *iaa team of lawyers descends on unsuspecting accused, they take the _much_ cheaper option and pay the protection money demanded as 'settlement'. the few cases where the accused has said 'thems fighting words, lets step outside', the *iaa backs off.
just 'cause the *iaa keeps bleating 'youre stealing, its illegal, etc' doesnt make it so.
i'd throw a few gold coins his way too, as this looks like a pretty good vector to prise open the *iaa shenanigans
Use Windows until you have reason to use Linux. Don't use Linux until it's better for you.
i think thats a grammatical typo, what you probably mean is 'use linux until you have reason to use windows. dont use windows until its better for you'.
esp. given the original query and notes the need for latext, web and some programming.
and cygwin? ewww! why fake *nix on windows when you can have the real thing for free?
yes.
leave it up to public institutions ( universities, etc).
which would benefit from greater public funding.
to the benefit of all.
evolution has done this quite well for some time.
inboxes separated into accounts, and when sending, defaults to the currently selected account, and provides a dropdown list in the from: field while you compose.
yet another reason to run linux on your desktop imho.
( though the novell shenanigans of late are making me a little nervous )
but you do have time to slap on ubuntu? :)
see, the way i see it, if you have time to migrate to another distro, you have time to migrate to the newer release of the same distro, but with less pain.
i just make sure i find time every 12-18 months. same flavour distro, newer packages.
( i never could fully appreciate the debian ( hence ubuntu..) habit of smashing packages down to the smallest possible components so your apt-install has to grab a bazillion packages to get anything useful going, but each to their own...)